Is the Regulative Principle Biblical? - Ask Pastor Tim

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Is the regulative principle Biblical when it comes to worship in the corporate church gathering? Many people dogmatically assert this teaching, but what exactly does this mean? And most important, is it clearly found in the Bible?
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@illbehonest 5 лет назад

Go here [illbehonest.com/topic/the-church] for more resources on the church. Videos such as, "Are Theme Churches Biblical?" or "Warning: Don’t Let Conferences Cause You to Despise Your Church".

@jordyE.. 4 года назад

A good book explaining the regulative principle from a reformed baptist perspective is ‘worship in the melting pot’ by Peter masters, I have just finished reading it and found it very helpful

@Jayr03able Год назад

Thanks!

@goldenreel 3 года назад

Seems like a normative principle guy who doesn’t really get what the Regulative principle even is. The regulative principle of worship doesn’t have to do with the “elements” of worship (like instruments, song style, pulpit or no pulpit, ect.). Regulative principle has to do with what is done in worship in regards to the events that take place. It observes and understands scripture as the ultimate authority for all truth including worship. A Worship service in the Reformed world is not restricted to being understood only in the music, but rather the entirety of the service (including the sermon, communion, ect.) Sola Scriptura is the foundation for the reformed faith in all areas...but so is Tota Scriptura. This guy seems to respect the concept of Sola Scriptura worship, but is disregarding Tota Scriptura- which is why at certain points he brings other text of scripture as a means to understand it as a dictation of worship in the church, but isn’t considering the totality of scripture in all of those areas. For instance, in Regulative Principle of worship, we wouldn’t say that because David danced naked before the Lord, that means we should do it in church- because we understand that context exists, and also, dancing wouldn’t find itself in the category anyway.

@brettmagnuson8318 2 года назад

Well said.

@tbread7413 4 года назад

He makes some good points however are those examples within the context of corporate worship on a Sunday morning? ...No cessationist that I know argues that God no longer works miracles, i appreciate Tim but that's a straw man. No one that i know that holds to the regulative principle argues that you can't shout hallelujah or say amen or lift your hands. The regulative principle is designed to regulate structure and content which is important that we have structure and sound biblical content and i know for certain Tim would agree

@brettmagnuson8318 2 года назад

I agree.

@just_bee9482 3 года назад

Very wise words from a honest heart. thank you sir!

@boastonlyinthecross 5 лет назад

Pastor Tim, thank you for these videos so much! Praise God for your willingness to share The Wisdom of God in His Word. Also, you look like a Christian Woody Harrelson! You even sound like him with a Michigan accent lol.

@1Whipperin 2 года назад

Excellent teaching. Thanks

@michaelgilbert1800 5 лет назад

I'll admit that I am lost and confused. I live and preach and teach the Bible. All this other stuff? You got me!

@LeoRegum 5 лет назад

It sounds like Pastor Tim holds to the principle but is unimpressed by others who do? The best way to go then is to embody the principle all the more in order to blaze a trail for the others. The reason for the reluctance to encourage wooping and dancing and waving big flags is at least twofold: erring on the side of everything being done in order, and the inwardness of New Covenant worship. Old Covenant worshippers were not indwelt and their zeal was stirred up externally.

@brettmagnuson8318 2 года назад

I appreciate this ministry very much. However, I don’t feel as though Mr Conway properly articulated the regulative principle of worship. He spent the majority of his time focusing on how the church sings together. This is only one aspect of our worship to God. It also includes the preaching of the word, and the practice of the ordinances, and prayer.

@Jayreed4Jesus 4 года назад

Wow I didn’t even know such a thing as “The Regulative Principle” even existed. Who’s coming up with these terms? Thanks for the education.

@charles8643 4 года назад

Who came up with the term “the trinity “ ? I don’t see it anywhere in the Bible but it is a helpful term to use instead of describing the trinity every time you talk about the triune nature of God in teaching or discussion.

@AimForNaN 3 года назад

Academics looking to coin a term.

@nrse82 11 месяцев назад

“Who’s coming up with these terms?” People who asked the question “How does God want us to worship?”

@jasondohring1099 4 года назад

I totally agree. but the RP people I have encountered would go one-step further and say it has to be the NT that allows it. So the Psalms would not apply. They would say that nowhere in the NT does it say to clap. very repressive

@rondafaison4859 4 года назад

"To be honest", it baffles me how any board, club, group, organization, etc. can create a model, genre, terminology, etc. to determine/classify just how people should express their love to God, whether it is corporate or private. These matters are trivial. We have been called to win souls to Christ, but so much time is being spent on dissecting principles, debating theology, and deciding on what's in or out in "church culture". It's sad. If a person sits quietly or jumps and shouts around the room, if both are for the glory of God, then so be it. God deals with the intention of the heart. Again, these matters are trivial when the bigger picture is given center stage. God is good. He deserves our worship. He made us uniquely and we worship uniquely. That's that. Now let's get on to being the light and saving the lost. ❤️

@Mic1904 4 года назад

I greatly admire your heart for evangelism! But I do have to ask for clarity, based on your (somewhat concerning) statement that 'These matters are trivial', a question: Is the worship of our Most Holy and Perfect God 'trivial' and is that what we see in Scripture? I know that you're not suggesting for one moment that worshipping God is a trivial matter, but I do have to suggest that if worship is an important matter, is it not also important that we consider how that worship happens and whether God ought to have any say in it? In other words, in Scripture, do we see a God that says, 'Your choices in how you worship me are a trivial matter'? Is this really true of the Lord God who, it would appear, judged Israel the heaviest and with utterly devastating consequences when their worship deviated from that which God had proscribed them? We may well say in ancient Israel, 'How could anyone classify how people should express their love to God?' but, in fact, this seemed to be exactly what the Lord himself DID actually do, and you and I both believe that this is the same God we worship today. The argument is not, 'We should have a board/club/group/organization to decide this' - it's 'we should implement the rules that God decided'. This is not me here to argue the finer details of how you worship God - I've had debates with passionate believers who held differing views on the finer details of, for example, choice of songs, choice of musical accompaniment, etc. But I think we risk fooling ourselves and robbing God of glory to suggest that these matters are not worth considering or are trivial. I believe that worshipping God is the most important duty we perform in this life (and in the next!) and so I've come to believe over time that this is actually a truly important matter to be prayerfully considering. Have a wonderful day and please know that it is not my intention whatsoever to question your heart for the Lord - this is just me, a sinner, hoping to share a little of how I came to realise that there was importance in how we worship the Lord. I believe wholeheartedly with you that we should 'get on to being the light and saving the lost', but of course, we do that WHILE following God's guidance and commands, not instead of it. Every blessing!

@FightingfortheKing 7 месяцев назад

Your argument boils down to “Regulative principle people don’t do everything recorded in Scripture; therefore, regulative principle is false.” The problem is that the regulative principle doesn’t say “Do everything that Scripture says all the time.” It says, “In the context of congregational worship, worship in ways that are specifically prescribed by God, and not in ways that aren’t.

@Collidedatoms 5 лет назад

My reservation is that the Bible has three categories of teachings: Prescriptive, Proscriptive, and Permissive. God can either demand/command something, Forbid something, or allow something in that order. When it comes to worship, God never says anything about "allowing" anything but does both forbid and demand things in worship. So if we assume that all that he never speaks of is automatically forbidden, renders the forbidding commands superfluous. If God expected us to assume what is not commanded is forbidden, then why bother forbidding things in worship? It doesn't make sense, So the only way to make sense of the Bible's list of commands is to assume that that which God does not speak of in worship is adiophora and a matter of Christian liberty. Therefore no matter how we understand the story of Nadab and Abihu and the other proof-texts, if we come to a conclusion that renders God's prohibitions superfluous, then we've lost the plot. And this is why I vehemently oppose it, it destroys the worship of God with stuffy traditionalism.

@FightingfortheKing 7 месяцев назад

Some things need to be explicitly forbidden for emphasis and absolute clarity. But the regulative principle is primarily positive: do only what God commands in worship, because His Word is sufficient.

@nrse82 11 месяцев назад

This seems like an argument against RPW, but nothing was actually said against the principle itself, only that those who practice it do so imperfectly.

@cas9954 5 лет назад

Truth....but worship should never be forced on to some and it should be genuine. But worship should not be just conservative. We should shout, proclaim, dance be merry.

@christopherskipp1525 2 года назад

Who is this speaker?

@Artificial878 5 лет назад

Es posible sus titulos en español 🖒🖒

@innovationhq8230 2 года назад

If you reject RPW you are not Reformed.

@zts99 5 лет назад

Their hermeneutics is contradictory to other verses-they isolate and twist.

@rlyle5804 5 лет назад

Then Pastor Tim is a Continuationist, correct?

@joshuacordero3406 4 года назад

Ah I see, that's why...

@rhonmanalo2195 3 года назад

A conservative continuationist.

@Kman. 5 лет назад

I have been saved over 40 years and have never heard that expression. This is some sort of an in-house expression that this movement has assigned to something. Even several minutes into this video and I think he tried to indicate what it was, but really gave no example so that was worth little to nothing.

@Collidedatoms 5 лет назад

They say that "oh, that's 'ceremonial law' therefore it's passed away. It's rotten to me.

@monoergon 4 года назад

ALL CHURCHES ADD LAWS BEYOND SCRIPTURE How the application of this principle would condemn every church. (1.) SUPPOSE we concede that because we are forbidden to add or take away from the law of God, we cannot make any laws regarding church order other than what is set down in Scripture. Will this not condemn every church in the world? Every church has established many things which Scripture never commanded, but which it would be rash to condemn. Consider, for example, the people of God even in the time of our Savior Christ. They divided their celebration of the passover into two courses. What verse in Scripture commanded that between the first and second courses, the most preeminent person should cast off his garments and, keeping on his feast-robe, wash the feet of those with him (John 13: Matt. 22:12)? What Scripture told them never to lift up their hands unwashed in prayer to God, which Aristeas claims they observed religiously?[142] What Scripture commanded Jews to fast on sabbaths and festival days until noon, a custom mentioned both by Josephus[143] and suggested by the words of Peter (Acts 2:15)? It would be pointless to tear down all such things established in Judaism, including things which Christ and His apostles observed, just because they are nowhere commanded in Scripture. [142] The Letter of Aristeas, trans. H. St. J. Thackeray, Translations of Early Documents, Series II: Helenistic-Jewish Texts (London: Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge, 1937), 83 [c. 10]. [143] Life of Josephus, 54. ---- Kindle position: 469.8 / 742 HOOKER, Richard. The Laws of Ecclesiastical Polity in modern English. Vol. 1.

@globyois 2 года назад

Typical of an Arminian, you’re misreading Galatians 3:5. The verse is NOT COMMANDING the church to PERFORM miracles! It is speaking rhetorically ABOUT miracles. You are too casual with the scriptures, my friend. Take God’s holy inerrant word more gravely and you will be able to see more clearly.

@rlyle5804 5 лет назад

Good to know that we can do ANYTHING we want! Thanks!

@sandragibson1862 5 лет назад

I don't think that's what he said. He said" let's look to the Bible" (my paraphrase)... "Do whatever you want" is not scriptural; in fact it is very worldly!

@rlyle5804 5 лет назад

@@sandragibson1862 The conclusion of the question states "the (regulative view) leads to SLAVERY and BONDAGE to CONSTANT FEAR in our corporate gatherings" (1:20). Really? Have you EVER observed this type of behavior in a church? This is the end of the question Tim reads and Tim moves on as though that is a correct assumption when it seems to be the beginning of a Straw Man Argument. He BLOWS past the issue of Continuationism vs Cessationism which seemingly should be a part of the conversation. He then states “Those that tout that terminology don’t ALWAYS let the bible dictate corporate worship” (is the fact that a church doesn’t ALWAYS do something now the standard of truth? If so, you can write off the church from the beginning as NONE have). He then attempts to justify the Normative Principal by claiming that since Galatians 3:5 mentions miracles being done, and the miracles are not being done, therefore the Regulative Principle is false. Also, if Galatians 3:5 bothers him, tell him never to read Mark 16:18. PS I am surprised he is with “I’ll Be Honest” as Paul Washer gets this correct and Tim blows it. "Do whatever you want" is not scriptural; in fact it is very worldly! You are absolutely correct, but it appears the majority of churches have not figured it out.

@sandragibson1862 5 лет назад

@@rlyle5804 and most Americans churches are in apostacy at this this point. And many have been for a long time. That's what happens in places that are blessed with plenty. We have pastors whose only sacrifice to the LORD is going to the end of the potluck line! About the time people quit reading their Bible's - is about the time Satan takes over.

@sandragibson1862 5 лет назад

@@rlyle5804 also, I didn't realize that you were being sarcastic.. I have no problem with your comment from that context

@rlyle5804 5 лет назад

@@sandragibson1862 "and most Americans churches are in apostacy at this this point." Nailed it! "And many have been for a long time. That's what happens in places that are blessed with plenty." Two for two! "We have pastors whose only sacrifice to the LORD is going to the end of the potluck line!" Hysterical! Three for three! "About the time people quit reading their Bible's - is about the time Satan takes over." Four for four! Actually, I was not being sarcastic! STEEEERIKE one! Blessings!