Is the Royal Enfield 450 Himalayan better than the 411 Himalayan? Which motorcycle would I buy? 

The old one looks better & it has a proper throttle cable & just basic rugged quality , minimum tech ,more suited to traveling in remote places . Horsepower & speed isn’t everything & less can be more ,by keeping things simple on adventure / touring bike . My choice between the old 411 & this new pretender 450 would be the 411 , a pre registered bargain or good condition used bike . If that new bikes fly by wire goes wrong ,it can’t be sorted at the road side ,with an Emergency throttle cable kit . Which is not very good in the middle of nowhere in or in a developing third world country . I reckon they should of just ,increased the performance of the old Himalayan to give a comfortable motorway cruising speed of 70 to 75 mph & a top end around 90 mph . 👍

Things to remember , to get more HP and remain inside emissions regs RE had to go water cooled not air cooled like the 411. The centre of gravity of the 450 is higher than the 411 so the perceived weight is heavier when static. I was hoping they'd arrive with a 500cc single air cooled Himmy but the emissions issue prevented. They get the potential 500cc HP from a 450 liquid cooled. I think the heritage feel and looks has gone with 450 , but I guess its time to move forward.

As always, good to see some daily weather riding 😁, on another note RU-vid apparently unsubscribed me from you, but I'm back now

I am so glad that you found the power band. I could see you bimbleing along at 2000 revs and was saying you need to be cruising at 3K and then it is more responsive when picking up. I am also closer to the ground and the side stand lean is definitely a thing to be considered, especially as i am also getting on in years. That said I think get a thicker type of stand foot and it will give a head start, also for us normal sized people (anyone over 5’6” is a freak of nature 🤣) we are more aware of cambers and slopes, therefore if you are sticking the side stand down on the lower side of the slope, you will obviously struggle more to lift it upright, so we can park with that in mind or move it slightly to make things easier. I have chased mine up today and the dealership is expecting it by the 20th, that way I might be running it in at the ABR this year!

Great video Gilly . I love a long stand. Nice bike but not for me . Having said that I would love a go on one.

As a lover of single cylinder bikes, this thing still vibrates way too much and feels like a very small capacity bike. Changed mine for a Shotgun 650, really enjoying having the 650 engine... again!

You can get a 805 seat hight for short riders, I like the naked bike no plastic good value it dose every thing it says on the tin

I have not ridden the 450 yet but I have sat on one and pushed it about. It feels like a ponderous lump to me and very top heavy. I have Moto Guzzi Mille GT 40 odd kilos heavier than the 450 but seems easier to push around and definitely better-balanced feet down and off the side stand. I also have a 411 which is much easier to manage in the static situation than my limited experience with the 450. I am an old bugger so managing the bike when at a standstill and pushing them around the garage is getting much more important to me than the dynamic on-road performance.

The new one does not feeling heavier for sure... I think the old one gets points for being a tractor in offroad scenes. But other than that the new one beats the old one in all other aspects.

They look better than the 411’s with the extra tech but £2000 difference on the new price is quite a lot. My Taffy would never pay the extra. Yes he’s tight but he’s sensible

The feel of heaviness of this motorcycle is maybe because due being top Heavy perhaps 🤔, more than the older models?

I would like to know what the comfort/vibration is like at speeds above 65mph

When taking a heavy bike off side stand you need to turn handlebars fully to the right and then stand the bike up. Works lovely.

Same day or doz it always rain when you review😉😉🤣🤣

Not sure about the 450 🤔 are they discontinuing the 411 ?

Royal enfeild used the engine as part of the frame so it’s caused vibration at certain speeds and revs their engineers might have to look in to this for sales reasons plus make a longer stand besides that it’s good value it dose every thing it says on the tin jimmy Aust

Allo allo allo, what's this then, trespassing on a certain coppers beat and stealing his thunder, dangerous! You brought out the good and bad for road work but because you didn't want to listen too much to 'others', one brilliant globe trotter who has lived with the 411 since it was first sold was not that happy about it when off-road, and thought it a poor bike to follow the original! I tried in the showroom last week and was shocked at the top heavy balance, a sure recipe for much dropping!

There isn’t that much difference in weight. How does it feel heavy??

Just back from the dealers after sitting on and checking the bikes in general and I was shocked by the weight of the 450 it seems much heavier than the 411,bit of context I’m 61yo,5’10”and 11st 9lbs I’m pretty fit I use the gym 3or4 times a week. My goals for the bike are back road and green lanes I could lift the 450 if I had to but I just don’t want to. I’m sure it would ride better on road but would just to much struggle on the muddy green lanes around neck of the woods. Anyone else think it’s heavy? The 411 seems to fit me perfectly

The petrol tank is the problem its a horrible shape scram is better looking.

I collected my 450 on the 1 June it replaced my 411, lovely bike that it was the 450 is in a different dimension and we shouldn't compare the two they just happen to share the same name.

It’s always raining. You should try riding in the nice weather 😂

They'll be turning you away at the border soon, bringing the rain with every visit 😅 Stu Fillingham was talking about the Enfield's running a whole lot better after a few thousand miles on the clock, probably no different with this new 450 engine. I wasn't a fan style wise of the original Himalayan, preferred the look of the Scram. They're supposed to be rugged I guess, it's what they're designed for, but this tank just looks odd, especially in matt magnolia by Dulux 😮 (other paint brands are available)

On an entirely tangential point, do you think the boss man at in2moto would let you out on that Enfield 500 Trials he's got in ATM? I would love to hear your opinion of it as every review I've seen here tells a completely different story. Anyway, hope you're having a great weekend. 🙂

It's a single, it's going to vibrate!

My 411 will happily sit at 70 mph and still not full throttle so Will my friends so dont know how you come up with it will only do 60- 65 mph. I also run a bike that is capable of speeds well well over twice the national speed limit. Is it better because its faster it also has Olin's shocks and fork's is it better no its just different Same as the new Sherpa i don't call it the Himalayan because they are totally different. How can you even start to compare air cooled to water cooled ive test ridden the Sherpa it was ok but i didn't like the dash or the looks and i think the Himalayan is better at lower more technical speeds the Sherpa did feel top heavy but as you said it's got showa forks and TFT dash and can also travel at illegal speeds over the national speed limit much more easily then the Himalayan so is a better bike. I definitely know which one i would like to have the misfortune to repair. Why do you guys keep on about its performance its fine its what it was made for The new shepa is a different bike . Royal Enfield is very good at marketing so they would use the old name but a Himalayan its not

It’s a while now for 450 and was thinking new look will grow on me but nope still a duck

Slow down mate on these wet roads

THE 411 looks much better ,better whith air cool and better to Travel if you need to change something quiqly.the songs IS better too for less Price.sorry but 411 win ...🌞

in my optinion the 411 and 450 are not comparable. totally different. depends what you have ridden before. if it was the 411 then you wont get happy. and in the middle of your vid you ride at 2,5k in 4th gear. on mine this is not a healthy rpm region. there should be at least 3000 on the clock - especially from 3rd gear up...

Because there’s to many idiots who lane split to fast

Rain again🤣

Its the ugliest bike I think I've ever seen. What were they thinking with that fuel tank, that round display and that pathetically small front screen!?!?!? Your comments about the 411 cutting out - mine never has, but it always feels like a bag of bolts. I think the build quality on the old one is really bad, although I've got a TEC cam and other mods so 30bhp and it will sit at 70mph happily.

Why you sitting idling in 2nd gear with clutch pulled in. Pet hate

Saw one the other day, kept on walking, hideous looking thing.

Royal enfeild used the engine as part of the frame so it’s caused vibration at certain speeds and revs their engineers might have to look in to this for sales reasons plus make a longer stand besides that it’s good value it dose every thing it says on the tin jimmy Aust