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Is the third prong on an old dryer or range a neutral or a ground??? 

Stevenj120volts
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Where working on older home you will come across old dryers and ranges. Does code require we handle the third prong like a ground or a neutral #nationalelectricalcode #electrician #diy #electic #electrical #electricity #romex #200amp #apprenticeship #howto

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@imark7777777
@imark7777777 Месяц назад
Wow only 25 coming so far. OK I might have to subscribe. This makes complete sense. That's right we added the ground which explains why previously and probably wrongly so it was common to attach the metal of the appliance to the nearest water pipe which used to actually be metal all the way out. Also thinking about that now if that was also bonded in the electrical service somewhere and in the appliance then you're sending current over the ground!
@imark7777777
@imark7777777 Месяц назад
This also explains why in my old house they use 3 wire with ground for the dryer and I was able to upgrade to a proper plug for the new dryer. At some point running 2+G really just became a way to cheap out.
@Sylvan_dB
@Sylvan_dB 4 месяца назад
It's a neutral, used as a ground. 😅 It's neutral because 120v components need the neutral. It's used as a ground because it is tied to the metal chassis of the dryer. It's fun when a timer motor starts to fail and puts 10 amps or so on the neutral and you start seeing a measurable voltage on the dryer chassis.
@spelunkerd
@spelunkerd 4 месяца назад
I wish that jargon separating 'grounded' from 'grounding' was extinguished. It's easy enough to memorize, but unnecessary! If we consistently use the terms 'neutral' vs 'ground', everybody will know what we're talking about.
@okaro6595
@okaro6595 Месяц назад
The difference is essential and it is not confusing if you know the basics.
@williamlangley2044
@williamlangley2044 4 месяца назад
I think it's both neutral and a ground,if it's three prong plug and a four prong plug I think 2 hots isolated ground and isolated neutral.
@Stevenj120volts
@Stevenj120volts 4 месяца назад
If does the job of both. But it's a Neutral
@KevinCoop1
@KevinCoop1 17 дней назад
Good job explaining it!
@soundspark
@soundspark 4 месяца назад
The electronics may only draw 1/3 of an amp, but proper grounding is still better for the reliability of said electronics.
@Stevenj120volts
@Stevenj120volts 4 месяца назад
Yes the point dryers and stoves didn't get designed to need the proper ground MORE in the 90s it was always needs and the hazard is worse older stoves. It not like the old stoves were safe and the . electronics.made it worse
@LRK-GT
@LRK-GT 4 месяца назад
Correct me if I'm wrong, wouldn't using 10-2 NM (even wiring the bare earth 'properly' to the neutral bar) introduce a fire/shock/ground loop hazard? Returning current on a neutral will 'go elsewhere' wherever there's a potential difference. -Say... like rubbed-through outer insulation into a metal box, copper plumbing pipe, etc? At the very least, the 'old wild west way' seems like a high-risk for ground loops and other whacky electrical hazards...
@Sparky-ww5re
@Sparky-ww5re 4 месяца назад
Although officially 10-2 w/G NM was NEVER permitted for dryers, from my experience while doing renovations and speaking to retired electricians who were in the trade in the 1970s until recently, there were some AHJ's that were kind of the "wild west " if you will, that permitted 10-2 NM for a dryer, allegedly on the theory the ground in 10-2 was 10 awg, and therefore no different than the bare neutral in SEU cable when originated at service equipment. Each and everytime I ran across 10-2 NM or SEU cable for that matter, feeding a dryer during a remodel in which the drywall or what have you, is being removed, I rip that out and use a 10-3 NM
@Stevenj120volts
@Stevenj120volts 4 месяца назад
Yeah there are two things I see all the time in old houses but that's my old code books says should not have been allowed. 10-2 dryers and 3 wire sub panels
@Sparky-ww5re
@Sparky-ww5re 4 месяца назад
@@Stevenj120volts the only 3 wire subpanel I've come across was an 8 circuit panel in a detached garage fed with 120 volts with the bus bars jumpered. Worse yet it was fed using 8-2 NM buried about a foot if that, tapped off the line side of the main breaker in a bedroom closet. Flipper home built something in the early 1970s with most of the circuits aluminum. I'm sure you've seen some shady stuff in the field as well. Lol
@Stevenj120volts
@Stevenj120volts 4 месяца назад
@@Sparky-ww5re my understanding detached building could have 3 wire subs until 08 but I see all kinds of old subpanel fed with 3 wire
@VortexTheGreat69
@VortexTheGreat69 4 месяца назад
Thanks guy make my brain bigger 😂 I’ve just seen dude wrap ground wire around any screws even the screws that mount the device to the box just always looks like shit or the grounds are literally 1” out of the box and the last guy didn’t use them 😂
@jonesgang
@jonesgang 4 месяца назад
So you are one of them political correctness kind of people. On older homes like back in the 70's the ground and neutral were one in the same. They were not required to be separated until much later. So no one is either correct or incorrect by calling it the ground lug. In today's homes that would not be legal to install and code requires 4 wire installations. So a dryer today will get 4 wires L1,L2,N,G.
@Stevenj120volts
@Stevenj120volts 4 месяца назад
Ground and neutral we ALWAYS required to be separated. What are you talking about?
@Stevenj120volts
@Stevenj120volts 4 месяца назад
I own the 1940 code book were is says to separate them. Ground and neutral are very different.... Yikes.... I literally show the 1975 codebook in THIS video saying to separate them. There was just an exception for dryers and stoves added in 1942 during the war to save metal....
@jonesgang
@jonesgang 4 месяца назад
@@Stevenj120volts So I take it you have NEVER looked inside a service entrance. Because there brainiac the ground and neutral are one in the same. And that comes from pole to home. The number one cause of people getting shocked in a pool is because of that condition. And in the 70's it was not "REQUIRED" but "RECOMMENDED" you do understand that difference don't you? There is also this thing called potential. But I guess you are also clueless about that as well. Book readers, gotta love to hate them.
@Stevenj120volts
@Stevenj120volts 4 месяца назад
@@jonesgang you are using insults when you are entirely wrong. I own every code book back to 1940 I can show you the rules they had back then feeder required and separate equiment ground. You are just lying and making stuff up required vs reocmmended? Wtf..of course There is no equipment ground in a service cables. The equipment grounding conductor is in feeders and branch circuits. The services only have a neutral. Are you even an electrician. The 1996 NEC removed the 1942 exception for stoves and dryers.
@Stevenj120volts
@Stevenj120volts 4 месяца назад
@@jonesgang do you understand there is a difference between something NOT existing and the neutral and egc being the samething?
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