Is the Zelda Timeline Still Relevant? w/ Matt Simmons - Solo Queue

Подписаться 261 тыс.

Просмотров 3,4 тыс.

50% 1

Matt Simmons and Damiani look back at the Zelda Timeline over the years and how Nintendo appears content to only invoke it when it suits them, how the staff who cared about Zelda's lore are no longer involved with the franchise, and why we should stop holding our breath over the latest entries' placement in the timeline or shedding tears when we're ultimately let down once again.
Follow Matt Simmons:
x.com/DoomAssi...
/ assistmedoom
/ @yovideogames
Solo Queue logo by Gabrielle Montoute (@gmontoute)
Support us through Patreon: / easyallies
One-time donations: streamlabs.com...
Schedule: easyallies.com/
Live streams - / easyallies
Stream archives - / easyalliesplays
/ easyallies
/ easyallies
/ easyallies
#EasyAllies #Gaming #zelda

Опубликовано:

21 сен 2024

Ссылка:

Скачать:

Готовим ссылку...

Добавить в:

Мой плейлист

Посмотреть позже

Комментарии : 66

@Bhchurchil42 11 дней назад

Thank you Simmons for the gift of orchestrated music in Zelda!

@ironmunger2 10 дней назад

Why are we spending so much time ranting about how stupid Echoes of Wisdom is. Hating on the game before it’s even out

@crossingtheline2189 11 дней назад

Fun video! Thanks yall

@michaelbourne1519 10 дней назад

This is what it looks like to become too big of a fan of something. Where you’re never happy with the results despite overwhelming quality and success. This is the Star Wars effect.

@Pdate92 10 дней назад

Great stuff. Miyamoto is actually a pioneer for bringing stories to video games so I highly doubt he hates storytelling.

@JazGalaxy 9 дней назад

He hates “storytelling”. He flat out says as much. But it’s worth nothing that what specific people call “storytelling” in games, they actually mean as “explaining”. They like someone to stand there, face the camera, and info dump garbage about nonsense fictional things that never happened. That’s not actually “story”.

@huskizzle 6 дней назад

I’m happy you guys got together to make an episode, but a lot of these takes are just goofy. Appreciate the games that did story well and hope you get more in the future. Tears of the Kingdom’s lukewarm story didn’t keep it from being a 10/10 game for many people due to its incredible gameplay and exploration. Zelda is a gameplay-centric franchise just like every other Nintendo franchise. While a more detailed and weighty story would be something hardcore fans would enjoy, Nintendo hasn’t done this in 40 years. Why should we expect them to do it now?

@deiruru 11 дней назад

we're still talking about this?

@BostonOtaku 11 дней назад

Saw Simmons and had to click the video

@hododod246 11 дней назад

Guys sorry to tell you but Zelda timeline has never been relevant. Nintendo revealed the timeline outside of the games. If you play all the games there is no way to draw that diagram. There are massive contradictions and gaps. Series with good lore does not do that. In addition to that even story is not relevant. Story and lore is there to take Link's ass to point A to point B. It is an excuse to turn him to a wolf, give zonai powers, or ocarina. Nintendo has always been gameplay first developer in their core franchises. Old school fans are taking Zelda story way too serious. And let me tell you something. Nintendo will never make deep, emotional, mature Zelda story with lots of grey areas. This will never happen. This is not part of Nintendo's DNAs. They don't have army of writers like Naughty Dog has. If you accept this fact, I think you will have more fun with the franchise. Honestly all old Zelda fans want gameboy and n64 games with higher resolution and better graphics. Always complain. Just move on.

@XanderVJ 10 дней назад

The fact that you quote Naughty Dog, of all studios, as an example of good writing quality pretty much disqualifies your entire second paragraph. Or at the very least, if you think Naughty Dog has consistently good writing but the Zelda series hasn't.

@hododod246 10 дней назад

@@XanderVJ That is not the point. Quality of ND's narrative is irrelevant. You didn't get the point.

@XanderVJ 10 дней назад

@@hododod246 What is the point then? That they have a dedicated writing team? You know the Zelda team also has that, right? It's the people that appear in the credits in the section of "scenario", which is the term Japanese use to refer to script in video games? That Zelda stories have never been good and never will be? We're not in the early 2000s anymore, that statement doesn't hold water, even if you treat each game as a stand alone.

@hododod246 9 дней назад

@@XanderVJ when I look at tears of the kingdom credits I don't see any category for scenario writer, script writer or narrative designer. If you see, tell me the names. As far as I know story is mostly written by Fujibayashi and in the past Aonuma. Both of them are not writers. They are coming from game designer background. Dialogues are probably written by npc programmers. On the other hand when I look at the credits of let's say phantom liberty, there are scenario writers and narrative designers. If you are expecting Zelda game that will satisfy your expectation in terms of story telling, good luck with that. I would recommend you to look at interviews with nintendo devs or game makers tool kit videos. Most of the studios starts with story and concepts. On the other hand, nintendo starts game dev with a central game mechanic, and then everything else revolve around that. For example when Fujibayashi started totk, he made vehicles with the parts from botw.

@pancito8292 3 дня назад

@@hododod246That's true, but Simmons point stands true. There WAS an scenario writer for the most fondly remembered games: Koisumi.

@nworder4life 11 дней назад

28:06....so you've chosen to become my enemy.

@peridrawland5955 11 дней назад

It's understandable if they don't want to be tied to lore pillars for the sake of creativity, HOWEVER they want to have their cake and eat it too when they release stuff like timelines and slap callbacks in a new game for merely fanservice and no deeper reason in-universe

@JazGalaxy 9 дней назад

They only do timelines for fans who won’t shut up about it.

@michaelhowell2809 11 дней назад

Wind waker was perfect in story lore regard. Ah man

@bruinfan05 5 дней назад

Algo

@Jimbobluejay 9 дней назад

YOOOO SIMMONS!!!

@peridrawland5955 11 дней назад

Meanwhile there's no official timeline for Kirby, yet fans get rewarded contantly by implications, callbacks and connections in almost every modern game

@Vvonter 11 дней назад

Also with Metroid, despite not being perfect, it's been a continuous string of events.

@skytrot 10 дней назад

Memberberries the video.

@almeidachannel7121 6 дней назад

Nice Video ! Sub & Big Like ! And Love Zelda Games !

@MuMasoo 11 дней назад

Early on it never was, but nintendo noticed that people really started to care about the lore. The older heads at nintendo wanted to mainly go for gameplay > story, but it seems like the generations after Miyamoto really wanted to push for Gameplay = Story. With botw and Totk being big hits, it kind of makes sense to have fresh lore, for many of the new fans.

@nworder4life 11 дней назад

It's the exact opposite, miyamotto wanted the timeline and lore. The new guys like Aounuma didn't care.

@MuMasoo 11 дней назад

@nworder4life Lol, it's literally the opposite of what you said. Miyamoto was very notorious back in the day about gameplay over story. He was against many franchises even having big narratives. He wanted his games to be mainly gameplay focused. Aonuma cared more about having story. There are plenty of articles that have talked about this much deeper, even some that say Aonuma and Miyamoto would argue over the direction of zelda games. Miyamotos' only input in any games for decades now is just about gameplay.

@nworder4life 11 дней назад

@MuMasoo No, you have it backwards, Miyamotto was the 1 who cared about the timeline.

@Julio3324 11 дней назад

I don't really get the people who want Zelda to play exactly like Link in Echoes of Wisdom. I'm excited to see what we can do with Zelda's more puzzle-focused approach compared to Link. It's like people would rather mindlessly press B to swing a sword rather than use their brain to solve a puzzle. Edit: Typos.

@sirmel11 11 дней назад

I haven't watched yet. Is he still on that? Yikes.

@MajorasThoughts 11 дней назад

The Zelda timeline was never relevant.

@Master-Mo 9 дней назад

This has to be the whiniest piece of content ever...

@Kango234 11 дней назад

I feel like these two have had this same conversation at least twice before. Not complaining, I just think it's funny Nintendo keeps bringing it up when people have tried to move on.

@MizunoKetsuban 11 дней назад

Really? If anything it's the inverse.

@MizunoKetsuban 11 дней назад

Are you sure? If anything the opposite is true.

@agahnim0196 11 дней назад

Every new game makes the Timeline more convoluted, and it's obvious that the devs don't give any crap about it.... it's just marketing that cares about it, because it appeals to western fans... The only way to have it make sense is to think of each game as a different "Legend" from the same world. Like a Mythology, which somewhat relate to each other, but evolved and warped facts through oral transmission. Legends rather than History Chanel Documentary.

@XanderVJ 10 дней назад

It appeals to ALL fans, actually. Japanese Zelda fans are just as crazy about the timeline as Western fans are. As a matter of fact, Miyamoto and Aonuma most likely started to notice the interest over it from Japanese fans before Western ones. If you don't believe me, just search ゼルダの伝説時系列, and you will see tons of content about it. Also... The idea of "thinking each story as a legend like in real life" doesn't really work, since mythology doesn't work that way. If you know your mythology you will know they study the canon legends to distinguish them from the apocryphal too. So discussing the timeline is EXACTLY how mythology works in real life already.

@pancito8292 3 дня назад

That's fine, but Tears is a direct sequel to Breath. At least 6 years have pass, but no one remembers the calamity. It's absurd.

@ElTopoL0C0 11 дней назад

No, it never was.

@LandOfTheFallen 9 дней назад

You two want something from Zelda that it has seldom ever been. It’s a ridiculous ask. Go play other games that do that for you. Let Zelda do its thing because it’s one of the only games that does that. Having finished the video, you’d be surprised to find out that you two are talking about 95+ rated games. This wasn’t just about story. This was y’all shitting on Zelda for two hours straight. Weeeeird.

@JazGalaxy 9 дней назад

Exactly. 100%. People like this remind me of people who go to a Mexican restaurant with a group and then want to pour salt all over the chips for the table just because it’s what they want. Zelda is Zelda. Zelda isn’t going to cater to your Lyra specific, bad, takes on what it should do because it’s busy creating new Zelda fans who will be loving it long after you are dead. (You being these random internet Zelda malcontents.)

@redcomet0079 11 дней назад

Papa Simms in the house talking Zelda 🗡️🛡️

@IfOUGHTpIRANHAz 11 дней назад

Still?! Was it ever? They’re all pretty stand alone

@pancito8292 3 дня назад

That's just plain wrong. Simmons even gave examples. OoT, WW and TP are clearly connected.

@Yae_1995 10 дней назад

No the Zelda timeline is irrelevant. The creators themselves don’t even really acknowledge it

@mattmirrorman 11 дней назад

Unless it’s explicitly the same Link from one game to another, then I don’t pay attention to the timeline. Anytime there is a new Link, it’s basically a reboot. The timeline stuff is just marketing. No reason to give it too much thought other than some fun speculation. It’s not serious.

@XanderVJ 10 дней назад

You must be furious about TotK then.

@mattmirrorman 10 дней назад

@@XanderVJ Nope, I had a lot of fun with that game.

@miki49 11 дней назад

Was it ever? Lol.

@JMANB5 11 дней назад

Come on now. Twilight Princess was a sequel to one of the endings to Ocarina of Time and is great.

@Vvonter 11 дней назад

Also the manga was a great complementary piece. The longest manga adaptation for any Zelda game.

@fakepasta3935 9 дней назад

I love Zelda games, but I am tired of the current formula. I wish they really created some good story for once.

@tkenn5lm 10 дней назад

I love you guys and you’re entitled to want whatever Zelda you want. But I just think you come across as angry and bitter that Zelda is trying to change things and it sounds like you just want them to repeat the same formula they always had. Well then the argument becomes they never change things and it’s just the same old same old. For someone who loves Zelda as much as you Damiani, I’ve never heard someone complain about it more. At one point you sounded like another BOTW style game would kill your desire to ever play the series again. It sounded that irate and frankly irrational. I hope that branching out and experimenting with the formula will allow them to do a different entry in a different style every few years. 2024 2D entry, 2027 3D entry, 2030 open world. Hopefully something for everyone. L&R

@justinburchett8424 9 дней назад

Exactly. If they had never shifted to the BotW style he would absolutely be complaining about how stale the series has become. There’s no winning.

@JMANB5 11 дней назад

These guys come across as angry old boomers, lol.

@Vvonter 11 дней назад

It's like one of those cases where if things had gone different, we'll have had a video of What if Zelda has stuck to a more familiar formula, why do I need to watch 3 youtube channel to get why this item description explains the Sealing War?

@beng6149 11 дней назад

lol

@JazGalaxy 9 дней назад

The has never been a timeline. The page before the timeline on Hyrule Historia flat out says it’s all BS and for “fun” only by the fans who utterly will not let it go. People like you guy insist on Zelda being something it NEVER was.

@Ahouro 6 дней назад

So you misunderstand what the page in Hyrule Historia says. There has been a timeline since Aol.

@pancito8292 3 дня назад

That doesn't mean some Zelda games don't connect to each other. Does Zelda 1 not connect to Zelda 2? OoT to WW? Effing Botw to Totk 😅

@ADa89mixus 10 дней назад

Talk about a timeline where the protagonists never age?

@Osk42 11 дней назад

Zelda BotW and TotK are a parallel universe to the Zelda timeline.

@XanderVJ 9 дней назад

And parallel universes from one another, for that matter.

@JazGalaxy 9 дней назад

“Parallel universes” is nonsense pedantry for Uber-nerds who can’t conceive of anything happening “just because” “it’s a game. None of this is real”. The more meaningless a persons life is, the more they need their fictional worlds to hold together with some sort of meaning.