I no longer watch Netflix. Still, when Hitch acts as if he knows about our end as he ignores our beginning, he's a joke. Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically. --"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the liar didn't even look at: Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith Hitchens always went into evasive word antics to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. Only shallow people follow Hitchens.
For those who don't know, Christopher Hitchens was diagnosed with Stage 4 esophageal cancer in June 2010. The seriousness of this diagnoses was quickly acknowledged by Hitchens himself when he said that, "The relevant thing to understand is that there is no Stage 5" and he noted that the projected five year survival rate of that disease at that stage was a mere three percent. While undergoing treatment for the disease he continued an active speaking and debating tour, this video being an example of those appearances, and his mental faculties obviously remained undiminished. Mr. Hitchens died of complications of pneumonia on December 15, 2011, having survived for a year and a half after his initial diagnosis, and donated his body to medical research.
+WILLY LYNCH the thing i enjoy about a lot of these videos though is they are more like open discussions than debates in a way. Maybe I just mean that I associate debates too much with politics.....
Completely agree with that. This is more enjoyable and more thought provoking than the debate format because there seems to be more "talking points" in debates.
It’s almost 6am. I’ve listened to this conversation more times than I can remember. It’s a great way to wake up, a great way to end the day. Nothing Hitchens does is ever boring.
Hitch was so empty. The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LoT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
He was clueless and even basic science had him stumped. The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
@@2fast2block Hey did you reply to the wrong person? I'm not here to talk about thermal dynamics or entropy, something that I don't know much about, whether it proves there is a god or not, I do not claim to know, just here to admire the great mind of the past, really enjoyed the conversation in the video and I wish there were more.
@@2fast2block The thing is, there is no universe, unless you believe CGI from the L.U.C.I.F.E.R. telescope is reality. When an armature balloon goes over 100,000 feet the stars disappear. Even during the Apollo 11 press conference, they said they couldn't see any stars. The Creator calls stars, angels because he doesn't believe in the religion of Theoretical Science or in NASA's fake space travel.
Holy hell am I late but this was just a good listen. Everyone was well spoken. Genuine, respectful debate with some humor in the mix. Breath of fresh air compared to all the shit we have to sift through today in public discourse and social media.
To @@TonyEnglandUK That's certainly good enough for me and for those who have the insight and wisdom to 'hedged their bets' and have thoughtfully 'backed each way'. Sadly illogical thinking atheists don't seem to have that knowledge capability within them. For if Christians are wrong, nothing lost, if they are right, life eternal and "everlasting joy". The poor atheist on the other hand, has no hope of a future if proven wrong, only a nightmare judgment day and the knowledge of what they have foolishly and stubbornly refused to make any sensible provision for. As for 'Pascal's Wager' folks.....bring it on......{;o;}
I have NEVER EVER heard Christopher Hitchens say anything that didn't make sense. For us to lose this genius in a period of history where he's needed the most is beyond tragic. I am one of those who "went along to get along. As a young man, from 14 to 16, worked at The Catholic Archdiocese of The City I'm from. No I didn't have even one bad moment from the priests. On the contrary, because I was a huge baseball fan as a boy, they would play catch with me, give me tickets to Major league games and try to talk me into being a priest. I gave it some serious thought but, for reasons I still can't understand or explain I somehow couldn't "believe" the whole "script". Then I heard a debate with Hitchens. He was so informed, so knowledgable on what seemed like a boring subject, and so witty and literally funny. The GREATEST irony would be a hundred years from now when science and reason are what's accepted and folks "worship" Hitchens like
He has his blond spots. His comments about alcoholism didn’t make sense. And his approval for the irak war after what he himself condemned the US had done in so many countries didn’t really make sense to me either
@South Florida Horticulture South Florida Horticulture Everlasting life is not for everyone John 3:16 says it is Whosoever means anyone Anyone covers everyone Eternal life is in Jesus Eternity is where you will be forever no end.
@@sherribh6106 What does Christ himself say? "14 For many are called, but few are chosen. " Matthew 22:13-14 (KJV) See also: "One said unto him, Lord, are they few that are saved? And he said unto them, 24 Strive to enter in by the narrow door: for many, I say unto you, shall seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, open to us; and he shall answer and say to you, I know you not whence ye are; 26 then shall ye begin to say, We did eat and drink in thy presence, and thou didst teach in our streets; 27 and he shall say, I tell you, I know not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and yourselves cast forth without " Luke 13:23-28 (ASV)
+Ryan Kelly He is dead and gone and there is no more hope for him as his wife stated that near his death there was no talk of God. My advice to you is to get it together and do not follow in his footsteps. Seek God while the blood runs warm in your veins so that you wont join him if he did not repent before death. I do not stutter, stumble, or hide my face as a tell each of you this.
Hitchens is the only person I can think of that was dead before I knew about him that I actually miss like a best friend I never had. How strange. I guess that means he's made a huge impact on me.
aaron white It appears that whether or not there is an afterlife may have no relation to whether or not there is a God. The British independent voice medium Leslie Flint was able to produce around 5,000 voices of people claiming to be dead over a sixty year period. Flint was test with having his mouth sealed shut with elastoplast and still the voices appeared to speak in mid space. I personally witnessed the materialization of my dead uncle in 1963 in a materialization seance in Norfolk, Virginia. In the following recording an Irishman named Pat O Malley speaks to two psychical researchers George Woods and Betty Greene scienceofwholeness.com/VoicesM-R/PatrickOMalley.mp3
@@teenherofilms God is man's response his mortality. This become the basis of all religions since all men are subject to death. If it becomes technologically feasible to obtain immortality then there will be no need for a God. Mans guest for immortality leads him to create a God in the interim until he can achieve immortality. This mortality need not be physical. If we were to discover a civilizational where they have attained immortality. Will we find the God concept?
@@coolsvanloo6441 The earth life is the school. The Other Side is the graduation. www.leslieflint.com/terry-smith a recording to hear. Good luck on your journey!
Totally agree with you! I'm almost ashamed I was too young to know about him when he was alive and busy... I miss the idea of that. But so grateful for all the books, videos, interviews etc he left for us. Not a week goes by that I dont think, listen or read about something he said... maybe an example of consciousness surviving after death? 🤔
I wonder about the magnitude of your set of "the most articulate human beings". But what I would find interesting to know is the extent of overlap between the most articulate beings and the ones that are just articulate. In the Middle Ages and before and after that particular time period this level of articulation and the mastery of grammar, logic and rhetoric was so commonplace that the truly most articulate ones were not like oasis in the desert. Or if they were so, it was because the most articulate were in command of immensely greater levels of articulation and mastery of the classical arts of discourse. One could suspect that in our day and age the participants of a discourse are surely better off when having a basic command of the range of literature on this subject that predates our times by at least a millennia. For when such is not the case, some are left amazed at the parallels one can draw between the uneducated populace during the Dark and Middle Ages that were swayed by arguments of the religious zealots which were formulated, employed and advanced for explicit political reasons and ends and the populace in our day cheering for hearing the counter-arguments that quite seldom rise about the level of religious zealots of the Dark and Middle Ages. It is quite remarkable to think and believe that one is "enlightened" and that an entire age has truly transcended what it lays claim to have transcended merely by virtue of finding itself in an altered political reality. When Mr. Hitchens says that himself and Mr. Harris could have been in grave mortal danger if they were engaging in such discourse and offering their line of argument he is right. However, what Mr. Hitchens fails to disclose that they arguments he employs in his manner are in a purely abstract level nothing more than introductory paragraphs of in any serious religious argument at the inception of organized Monotheism in the Western World. One cannot stress the importance of reading and learning when one is confronted with such a state of affairs.
Void-Life-void.... If you have any brains you will understand that God sent me to Hell so that I come back out of it to tell you that God killed death. mohammed was the ast Messenger but only He knew the meaning of Alif Laam meem. i am he.
@@davidcraig7771 Strange, you call all a bunch of idiots, which would mean you included. You failed dismally to put forth an argument based on this debate. There are many likewise minded who said absolutely nothing. My personal touch on this debate, Christopher has exposed the myth of the belief of life after death. On this planet, we have 7.6 billion people, can you imagine what heaven or hell would look like.....crowded.
@@ramennaidoo162 first, how can you be so confident it is a myth when you cannot possibly know that. Second, I always wondered what atheist believe happens to our energy after we die, since energy is never destroyed only converted....eventually after the universe dies, what will happen to it. Could it possibly "transform" into a new creation all together? If so that is an awful lot like what the bible said. I think it's kinds strange that science leads us to a point where we have to either believe that everything came from nothing...(and I mean ACTUALLY NOTHING, not what physicists THOUGHT was nothing but actually turned out to be something lol) or we have to consider that there is an energy beyond or outside of what we percieve as space time and matter and conciousness that has the ability to create intelligently. And SO intelligently we find that one single simple protein would take more than the life of the known universe to (I forget to the what power) to even be able to have a chance to happen "by chance"....and keep in mind, this is from "something" or the materials already provided by the known universe....i am talking about a designer that did it from NOTHING. And third, atheists are the only ones who make absolute claims....based on a lot of times pseudo science, a lot of which gets debunked or at least it's incredible weaknesses exposed all the time...but you just believe the high priests of science without knowing for yourself. A lot of our view if the universe is based on some really shotty science yet that is accepted as the truth. This takes more faith than it does to believe in a higher energy on the energy spectrum that maybe encompasses all other energies. So my point is (and idk if I did a good job of making it) is that you are only believing what you THINK you can see, when first of all there are so many unknown variables in 99% of experiments you can't really get to 100% certainty, and also there is more energy on spectrums that science cannot detect than there is in this 3rd dimension or whatever that we are perceiving with our physical senses. But we are ignoring the other senses because they cannot be quantified by modern science? Which is still really in it's infancy. So there are so many things that we know must exist, and things we have no clue exist, that it would take to the end of the universe to ever even have a chance of figuring it all out. So you guys come to a definitive diagnosis when you literally have such a small amount of the "known variables"....so if we are waiting for scientific instrumentation to prove things before we can believe they could possibly exist, we are never going to "know" anything. I think we ourselves are already the most advanced instrumentation in the universe. The highest frequency of conciousness in the known universe. And so we are like a conduit, a complete circuit in the known and unknown universe. And I think that allows us to percieve things that are considered super natural. But like I said, modern science scorns us and forces us to ignore those senses or those frequencies of conciousness. We have been brainwashed into only believing in the physical which we have evidence to suggest that it could be a vibrational illusion! Like tesla said, if you want to understand the secrets of the universe you have to think in terms of energy, frequencies, and vibrations. We are like a radio antenna picking up all these vibrational frequencies and then creating a perceived reality based on them. Maybe higher conciousness is kinda like changing the radio dial, we just tap into a conciousness energy that already exists, but what station are you on. And my theory is if you are on any just one frequency, or a limited spectrum if frequencies, then we are not experiencing the full spectrum. And from what I know about light, you have to have the full spectrum to grow things to their 100% genetic potential. If you grow with artificial light that leaves out any of the spectrums you are not getting your plant access to everything it was designed to get. I think modern science is like that fake grow light, and God is the full spectrum energy. I hope that made ANY sense whatsoever haha, if it was hard to follow sorry I am not a scholar, just a truth seeker. It's hard to articulate the things that I see in my head a lot of times. But these are some of my thoughts on reality.
@@oldtheistexperience7945 well he sure missed out on the divine life of the ages in this life. But there is this unveiling conversation of Jesus with knockle head Sadusees/atheïsts about the resurrection they didn't believe in. They ask Him whose wife a woman will be that remarried 6 times. Since in Christ deity and therefore all power and knowledge is sourced He hits the bullseye by saying. "You are in error, the dead are like angels, male nor female, God is the God of the living not of the dead!". So the Hitch is eyeballing Jesus right now. Finally understanding God and Gods resolve for the fall of man. So let's not be ignorant as Hitch was and let us be transformed into original created value by Holy Spirit. Living the unselfisch divine power and love life we were designed for.
@@ToninoterRessort nope! Its the exact opposite actually. The reason I'm an atheist now is because i was indoctrinated as a Catholic since birth. But then i grew a fully formed adult brain and realized it was all lies and fairy tails.
@@BradWatsonMiami It was taught, and then UNTAUGHT, and then hidden again, was it, except from Origen and a few others? Like all that weird Enoch stuff was untaught? And my answer to this big question has always been - maybe.
@@joyceanthony9526 Jesus is just another glorified religious myth. If u happen to have been born in India, u would now probably be suggesting a personal relationship with Krishna or Buddha will help me. The religious indoctrination & brainwashing based on your geographical location determines your delusion. Intellect & critical thinking has nothing to do with the mythical figure u fool yourself to have an imaginary relationship with. No offense.
@Delon Duvenage LOL. U just don't get it. Jesus is just another glorified mythical religious figure. All theistic belief systems are politically developed myth-based schemes that use superstitions & imaginary beings to detach the vulnerable gullible delusional fools from a natural world by blind submission to authority, whose hoaxer preachers know the truth, but use the myth to control those fools.
I'm sure he'd argue that there can be no peace without conscious experience, something that ( if he was right) doesn't apply to him since he doesn't exist any more. So ironically he can't be at peace unless he was wrong about everything, which would mean he didn't have such a great mind.
I'm a musician, now retired and serving in a voluntary capacity, in a Christian church where, generally, I hear the readings, prayers, and sermons twice every Sunday. Right now, 28 December 2023, I do not hear anything like the honesty of Christopher Hitchens in my church. I think that is a fatal omission for the parishioners. Apparently, we cannot afford to be honest. That is why I just invested an hour and thirty-seven minutes in listening to Mr. Hitchens and his peers. Excellent discussion.
Alryt here's a question for u nd I want an honest answer. Not prejudiced, biased replies. Whn did hitchens ever give an evidence or atleast some gud arguments that proves the existence of god very improbable. One can always hear the monologue from these guys where they say "oh science has disproved the age old god nonsense". Alryt here r some obvious questions that follows. Which scientist? Which science, when, where, how? Nd all u r gonna get is silence in response. Notice how he never bothers going into the details. Tahts interesting. So its just the new atheist monologue after all. This is a joke. People didnt ask the obvious questions such as whn where nd how did they prove it for a decade whn some body made a claim like that. If they did, the new age atheism wud have nded ryt there. I ve never gotten an intelligible argument or evidence for the non existence of god. So u cant blame me if iam skeptical of these new age atheists.
@@sonu8034 There is nothing innately destructive about being skeptical. Skeptical, I think, is not the same as being stubbornly deaf. But no one need blame another for being skeptical about something. You do not need to prove the existence of God. He evidently exists for you. Christopher Hitchens did not need to prove the non-existence of God. God evidently did not exist for him. That's all I should comment on. The rest is just details. I have neither seen nor read nor heard Christoher Hitchens embrace "New Age" in any way demonstrated in his public and professional life. That he seems to you to represent "new age atheism" is to be befuddled by who the man is, @sonu034, in your "prejudiced, biased replies" to his words. But the primary factor of communication of this type is not to talk about the other person off the top of one's head. A first and essential step in effective communication with anyone on any subject is not to study the other side's thinking and statements. That comes later. Primarily essential to communication is to study one's own self. Understand what you think, feel, believe and say and why. Why. Otherwise, there is little ground to stand on for communication. (I learned this from my own whip-quick prejudiced rebuttals, scathing accusations, and broad misunderstandings in discussions with others in earlier years of my life. Those acidic, on my part, interactions were fun for awhile. But I can't see that they achieved anything except: to enable me to become more aware of my own founded and unfounded opinions and words in some discussions. That hard-earned awareness is an immense achievement for every human to work toward. Then, study the other person. It takes very strong personal character to open-mindedly listen to a video like this one. I think you might have found answers to some of your irritations with Mr. Hitchens had you carefully listened, maybe even took scanty notes as you listened, for 137 minutes . . . all with an open mind. I do not suggest, I would not expect, one to change their position on God, rather to listen and think with an open mind. A horrid conflict exists for anyone to listen to another while hating that person. Put the hate down, open the mind, and meet someone new to you. Both you and the late Christopher Hitchens could ponder that concept for awhile. My words are not, by the way, New Age. They might be philosophy. Peace be with you.
@@sonu8034 the god of the bible is improbable because he is totally absent. he is improbable because the bible, supposedly inspired by god is problematic. Both in conflicting accounts and dubious acts carried out by gods decree. it's improbable because the claims are so fantastic they require imagination beyond our understand of the laws of nature. it's improbable because the stories share reselblance to earlier literature. noah and the flood a copy of gilgamesh, moses a copy of sargon. etc.
I think there is proof that we exist because of a supernatural creator that brought the universe into being. It’s really simple regardless of what science says something can’t be made out of nothing, the energy required to create the universe didn’t just come out of nothing it came out of something. So knowing that there is a power so great that they can create a universe (I believe that to be the godhead 3 in 1) which is equally beyond our understanding. Then I’m willing to stake my spiritual and physical life on us having to appear in front of god one day and the book of life. I fully respect everyone’s right to not think what I think and I’m not interested in argueing, you can believe what you believe, I will believe what I believe and pray for the scales to fall from your eyes!’
He or no other atheist has to prove anything that doesn't line up with reality. Most atheist are agnostic which means that they are open to a god when some real evidence outside of people's thoughts show up. The burden of proof lies on the one with the claims that don't partake to reality. You think there's a God, fine believe what you want or what you was raised to believe but you can't bring a shred of real evidence for your version of God or depending on what translation of some anonymous book you learn from.
I have been reading Hitchens since the 1980's and with the advent of the internet have watched countless hours of his lectures and debates. There are precious few people who have made the sort of impact on my life of the not-so-saintly Christopher and for that I am deeply grateful. Religion is an incredibly dangerous tool/weapon to control humanity and whether one believes in some sort of god(s)/goddess(es) or not, the structural apparatus of religious indoctrination can last a lifetime even if the intellect strongly rejects it. This is why so many know there is no god but cannot quite let it go especially when life becomes traumatic or chaotic. After a rather rough diagnosis last year, I briefly returned to religion (Anglicanism) and though the music and architecture was grand and uplifting, the text of The Bible is so preposerous and dangerous to critical thought, I chucked it within months. When I feel overwhelmed by life, I meditate to Sam Harris's app Waking Up and watch old Hitch videos. All of the comfort and none of the fear and guilt! I still visit religious sites for the art, architecture, and music but believe none of the supernatural nonsense the Abrahamic religions spew, especially Islam ('The motherlode of bad ideas" - Sam Harris). RIP Hitch, you are sorely missed!
Regen 615 It wasn’t until Hitch that I realized there may not be a religion for me. That alone was liberating. When you are brought up in the church it is hard to change - and I imagine those who do, can’t. So getting people early must be a priority. But after 60 years, I’m able to listen and learn. I find Hitch compelling. I enjoy his opponents voices as well.
@@Tokody having read Thomas Aquinas and considered his points I still don't buy religion the world I live in dousnt seem like evidence of a God I would want to worship even if a God exists which I also doubt.
I like Wolpe. Even though I disagree with pretty much everything he believes, he was courteous enough to respond to an email I sent him, at length, after watching one of his debates. He’s a very kind, thoughtful and generous man.
@@BigEats99 you realize that you thinking like this is the same way some women reason about men in general? Or Black vs Whites? Of course everyone isn't the same...
We are born into a cycle of reincarnation until we are free of that cycle and return home to Heaven. These is achieved while we are alive, not through dying and is called spiritual enlightenment. Both Catholics and Muslims are death worshippers. If, during one of our reincarnations, we sin too much, when we die, we go to Hell.
@@ndorphin2564 He was secretly a freemason hence secretly was required to believe in a supreme being and the afterlife or would be expelled from his secret society. HITCHENS WAS A MEANINGLESS HYPOCRITE
@Mike Kane You're wrong, I know. My wife and I had it shown to us, proven to us. It is possible to know, even if only to a few. It wasn't because of anything I did, it was a gift to my wife that she was allowed communicated with her mother, who passed away 9 years before and exists in the next realm. Things told of the future that we could verify later with our own eyes. Many things, specific things, things that can't be doubted. You will doubt and so will others because you have no faith in anyone, but it matters not, we witnessed it over and over and ov
"Christopher, how are you feeling?" "I am dying, but so are you. Thanks for asking." Hitch has left a void that can not be filled. We are so fortunate that he will indeed live forever on You Tube... or what passes as forever for the moment.
@@plato8260 It could be that Hell is analogous to a large number of prisoners, all at the same prison, but all separated from one another in something like solitary confinement! I think it's presumptuous to believe hell is a social event or some kind of great party. But I honestly don’t know. I've read all the scripture there is on hell and I do not personally think there is enough scriptural evidence to reach a firm conclusion concerning whether or not those in Hell will be utterly alone and unable to communicate or not. Jesus talked about hell more than anyone and one of the most terrifying descriptions comes from the gospel of Mark: In that place, worms never die, and the fire is never put out.
@@plato8260 My friend, I don't want you to go to hell! Hell is not fun. One writer said, “There is no way to describe hell, nothing on earth can compare with it. No living person has any real idea of it. No madman in wildest flights of insanity ever beheld its horror. No man in delirium ever pictured a place so utterly terrible as this. “No nightmare racing across a fevered mind ever produced a terror to match the mildest hell. No murder scene with splashed blood and oozing wound ever suggested a revulsion that could touch the borderlands of hell. Let the most gifted writer exhaust his skill in describing this roaring cavern of unending flame and he would not even brush in fancy the nearest edge of hell.” End quote. Seek the LORD while He may be found; call on Him while He is near. Let the wicked man forsake his own way and the unrighteous man his own thoughts; let him return to the LORD, that He may have compassion, and to our God, for He will freely pardon.…Isaiah 55: 6,7
One of my absolute favourite performances by the Hitch, right up to the very last statement when asked how he says "well I'm dying... but so are you. " Just brilliant
@@alanwebb9438 The afterlife consists in the spirit realm. It is therefore not within the scope of natural proof, but spiritual proof. Such spiritual proof, consists in our awareness - our intuition - that we fall short of the persons we should be, and that there is therefore an absolute standard from which we have fallen. That is, it consists in the fact that we are aware we are sinners and not merely some temporal arrangement of atoms.
@@lawrence1318 I got to 'Spirit realm' before my eyes rolled back. Come onnn 🙄. Provide me your best eveidence for a 'spirit' let alone a spirit realm. You're hopelessly deluded. You must know this?!
I admire the thoughtfulness and courtesy of all four panelists. However, my brain forces me to side with both Hitch and Dr. Sam Harris. And speaking about Hitchens, man the world needs more people like him!
Reincarnation was taught by Jesus son of Joseph and science has now proven it. Google that and see 7seals.blogspot.com - only the returned Christ and Einstein directly reincarnated could produce that. It's triggered The Apocalypse/ Revelation.
Scott Stapp Believers are the cowards, they can't even face their own death without inventing a floating, harp-playing, "afterlife" fantasy. I stopped believing in fairies and make believe worlds when I was 7. And now, my one true life (this one) becomes so much more focused and precious.
How wonderful is it for four intelligent, learned men with such diverse opinions on this matter, and such passionate ideas, be able to sit down, debate them, and be respectful.
Yes, of course. Except some of the speakers, despite their formal training, are more disingenuous and obfuscating with their intelligence. I am an anti-theist, certainly not against anyone who chooses to believe in hope of peace and justice. Just the baggage that goes with fundamentalist dogma.
I felt Sam's sadness when his friend responded so graciously to the question of his health. Hitchens was a great loss for those of us who never met him, imagine the loss for his close friends and family. None of us wanted him to leave the party so early.
I am reminded of the man who wanted to know if he would go to heaven when he died. An angel appeared to him and said I have good news and bad news. The good news is you are going to heaven when you die, And the bad news? You are going tonight!
@Julia Abadi - I think sometimes Hitchens was a bit disrespectful. No need to always ridicule things and people. Wouldn´t it be great if he - after dying - really went to heaven (or hell) and when that happened he was swearing like crazy because he then realized that he was wrong all of his life?
@@mikel8850 It is supposed to be respected that even if YOU don´t believe in God (which I don´t either), then people who believe in that should be respected, as long as they are NOT harming other people with their beliefs. That means "accepting" what they believe in, if that gives them peace etc. I would call myself an agnostic. As long as I have not seen any proof that there is a God - I don´t believe - but what about the day when I would e.g. see something that turns around my entire world? What if someone had a close family member who had cancer in stage 4 - who was given max. 1 month to live - and that person is now still alive, 12 years later? Maybe that could make some people believe there is a God - then peace with that - let those people have that faith and respect those people with dignity and respect - even though YOU don´t share their beliefs. Don´t ridicule them. Same goes with Vegans. They should eat what the F they want to eat - as long as they don´t preach their eating habits towards me. And finally: I have read several reports on NDE. There are still things that scientists can´t explain when it comes to people who were technically dead with no more recorded brain activity whatsoever. Or what about employees in retirement homes? You hear over, and over and over and over again, that those people report how elderly people - who are going to die - and who know they are going to die - they very frequently tell - maybe a day or so before they pass themselves - that they see some of their relatives that have passed. My uncle died before christmas. 18 hourse before he died in hospital he suddenly said: Look, there is XXXX (his wife that passed away in 1998). Was that due to his medications? That he knew he was going to die and his brain played him a trick? Tbh - we don´t know, but it happens over and over and over again.
This is one of my faves, I've watched this multiple times. Although I'm 100% team Hitch/Harris, I really like the two Rabbis. Interesting, funny, intelligent, respectful and overall entertaining. I sure miss and love ❤️ the late great Hitch 😭. The world is a sadder place without him 😪😪
@Southside Chicago lol what ? .. which part of this discussion was he rude ?... all I could see was 4 gentlemen having a warm and friendly converstation. Dont tell me you are one of those militant atheists who hate all believers no matter how well they behave.
This is what happens when you put four extremely smart, educated, and civilised people in an intelligent debate. I'm pro Hitch and Harris, but the different points of view are an absolute delight.
Life is eternal, there is a creator and all creations certainly evolved. No one knows for sure what death is, are we conscious after death and is there an afterlife? Not to be confused; near-death/out-of-body experience and afterlife are two separate topics. Today we know for a fact that a child is conscious in the womb and conscious at birth. Based on this, consciousness surely exists after death and there is an afterlife. What if a child in the womb, not knowing what happens after birth, asked this very question. What would the answer then be? Death is simply the departure from this world into the next. Its more likely that consciousness exists after death, and thus there exists an afterlife too. Its also likely that Christopher Hitchens is consciousness and enjoying afterlife right now.
Hitchens really was a beautiful person. He had a rough exterior and didn’t suffer foolish arguments, but he was also unbelievably charming and good humored. Breaks my heart to watch these videos where he was so close to the end
@@0MissPhoenix true but the word "suffering" was a poor choice because he definitely did. I mean how many times did he hear the same argument over and over.
@@0MissPhoenix I don't want to argue but I have seen many of Hitchens debates and he definitely gets impatient with some of his adversaries. He was at war with religion is whole life and saw it as a threat to common sense.
I would like to take a moment for Rob Eshman who I think did a fantastic job mediating this event. He was fair and remained dignified throughout. Good on you, Rob.
@@WilbertLek And if it was it would not change much ,life should not end in the first place .Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.Once you figure out how to live forever there is no need to figure out afterlife .
The best "debate" I have watched so far and I've been immersing myself the past few months. I didn't know of Christopher Hitchens until recently. Frankly, his speaking style has been difficult for me to understand. After listening intently for these past months I am becoming accustom to his accent and unpredictable pausing points in his speech. I appreciate all of the contributors on the panel as well as the moderator. All were worth listening to however as Hitch spoke, I found my attention was heightened. I'm glad he continued doing what he did until he could do no more. And with all of the problems I've had with RU-vid lately, I'm still grateful to be able to view these debates without having to even leave my home. Thank you for posting.
"Great news! This party's going on forever...and you _can't_ leave. You've _got_ to stay! The boss says so and he also insists that you have a good time!"
in that case im going back to watching Pink foyd make wonderful music even if you don't like them just watch the music be made by masters .on my 4th day n going strong I never had time,or thought to wath the making of it these guys are anartwork
Reincarnation was taught by Jesus son of Joseph and science has now proven it. Google that and see 7seals.blogspot.com - only the returned Christ and Einstein directly reincarnated could produce that. It's triggered The Apocalypse/ Revelation.
Three times in 3 different hospitals I've "died" and been recesitated. EACH time it was exactly like being put to "sleep" for a medical operation and in the next instance waking up -- with nothing in between regardless of the length of the operation. TOTAL obilivan between point "A" and point "B". Absolutely NOTHING. No regrets, no remorse, no anything. Simple non-existence. After my most recent death experience about 6 years ago, I spent the following weeks wishing I had NOT been recesitated. At the time I had been going through financial and marital problems and death would have ended all my problems. Period. Dying is just as natural as going to sleep. The thought does not scare me. I'm a 75 year old disabled Army veteran and I have seen too many instances to worry about it. Given a choice, I would just prefer not to suffer prior to the event.
If you knew for sure an afterlife awaits you and you knew is was at least pleasant would you prefer that or would you rather have death be the final curtain?
I was sedated for a minor heart procedure a few months ago and what Sam says at 1.37 ish has had a profound effect upon my thought process since then. For about ten minutes I was totally oblivious ( the anaethsetist suggested I would still be aware but I wasn't). In that time my heart was stopped and re-started. I was in effect turned off and on again. The outcome was positive but since then I can't help thinking that if my heart had not been re-started the end of my life would have been, for myself, simple and free from pain or discomfort. Having nursed my father through bowel cancer to his passing last year it seems like a good alternative to what he and those caring for him went through in his last months. In the moments after I came back to consciousness it wasn't that I was craving a return to the oblivion but I did recognise it as a blissfull state and preferable to much of life
I too have been put under for surgery multiple times and subjectively just ceased to be. Coming back to experience was one of the most confusing yet profound feelings of my life and it’s interesting to me that this void, and the similar voids of pre-birth and even of dreamless sleep, are so often described as “blissful” or “peaceful.” On one hand we are saying we experienced nothing and simultaneously saying we experienced bliss. How does this make sense? I believe this is pointing to something very interesting about what reality is and what we really are. Perhaps bliss is just our most natural and eternal state and when we return to this waking state as confused, suffering humans, we can no longer describe to ourselves what that is. But it importantly is “something” not quite nothing.
I am 50 years old. I have witnessed a lot of great people leaving this earth to move on to the next stage (whatever that means). I have cried twice for someone. The first was Pierre Desproges (only famous in France) almost 30 years ago. He used to ridicule religion, all of them, although that was not what he was famous for, he was just a brilliant comedian, with the perfect amount of sarcasm. The second time was with Christopher. He will never be replaced and no one will ever have his wit. I still miss him ´´bigly`` like Trump would say. This man was just one of the most brilliant mind of modern times. I have seen all his debates (mainly on RU-vid, never had the honor to assist in real person) and to me, he never lost a debate. His arguments were right on target, right to the core of what tickles religious freaks. Hitchens was not an atheist but an anti-theist, I am an agnostic which brings me close enough to him. I do not know what happens after life but if somehow he can hear my words, know that I truly have admired you and that I have grew immensely thanx to you. You will never ever be forgotten.
Doesn't make sense whether you miss him or not whether he was great or not because he was not anything worth to admire as we are all nothing and will end in nothingness. It makes no sense to even have such debate
How about energy? Divine. We are born into a cycle of reincarnation until we are free of that cycle and return home to Heaven. These is achieved while we are alive, not through dying and is called spiritual enlightenment. Both Catholics and Muslims are death worshippers. If, during one of our reincarnations, we sin too much, when we die, we go to Hell.
The former is a better statement. The latter is inaccurate. You cannot be free of something because that would suggest that "you" continue somehow exist after death, which you do not. Being "free" of something may be thought to be a passive state but it requires a state of being to "be" anything.
@@CallumAnthony-r9o Again you misunderstand. I can only write about death from a 'life', science or medical perspective. There is no one alive who actually knows 'death' and that is the great freedom from the 'known'. The religious, however, speak as if they 'know' death, how farcical is that?
It seems to be all irrelevant regarding whether there's an afterlife. Can't be bothered to keep watching it in the forlorn hope something relevant is said.
This was an excellent debate. All four of them brought unique insight to the conversation without anyone getting very upset or resorting to logical fallacies and ad hominems. Out of all the people Hitchens and Harris have debated, these two surely are the most interesting and thoughtful. I have nothing but respect for everyone on the stage.
Life is eternal, there is a creator and all creations of the creator later evolved. No one knows for sure what death is, are we conscious after death and is there an afterlife? Not to be confused; near-death/out-of-body experience and afterlife are two separate topics. Today we know for a fact that a child is conscious in the womb and conscious at birth. Based on this, consciousness surely exists after death and there is an afterlife. What if a child in the womb, not knowing what happens after birth, asked this very question. What would the answer then be? Death is simply the departure from this world into the next. Its more likely that consciousness exists after death, and thus there exists an afterlife too. Its also likely that Christopher Hitchens is consciousness and enjoying afterlife right now.
@@sylvester63 babies when out of the womb take years to learn a language and be able to form full sensible sentences so how would the baby be able to think if it doesn't have any sort of language?
What I enjoy about this is listening to the different points of view and perspectives. I do not agree with everything that any one individual said on that panel but it is good to see intelligent and articulate people discussing something as personal as religion or lack there of with respect and humor, often poking fun of themselves or their personal beliefs. This world needs more of this.
And I think the four panelists would all agree. Note the conciliatory tone of the last few minutes. We can believe different things, but still profess great respect for each other.
As my mother lay dying in hospital her sister brought in a pastor of some kind, he was talking to her about the afterlife and Jesus and such, all while she couldn't speak. But she wasn't entirely helpless. As he was yammering on she turned the TV up as loud as it would go.
@@TonyEnglandUK the b0II0x is in the premise 0f the discussi0n Hitch is there because the c0ncept 0f an afterIife is presentented by men wh0 have n0 evidence 0f an afterIife, as a means 0f grabbing p0wer and they teII y0u, in amazingiy triviaI detaiI, what their fav0rite imaginary friend wants y0u t0 eat, wh0 t0 sIeep with and c0mmand parts 0f the b0dy he aIIegedIy created needs t0 be rem0ved thats en0ughn0nsense f0r any0ne t0 swaII0w the fact that "wise " men Iike Hitch and Sam dignify the debate by their presence is an act 0f hum0ring pe0pIe wh0 cann0t think criticaIIy the fact we are supp0sed t0 respect aduIts wh0 wiII kiII in the name 0f an invisibIe, imaginary friend is what is b0II0x
Tom Taakool So are you implying that regular human beings who’ve reached the conclusion of religion being created by men, as a result of reading the Bible are satan himself?
Actually, it's refreshing to hear people, especially people of faith, admit that they honestly don't know about the afterlife. Civility is nice, too...
Hearing the truth is rare these days. We are born into a cycle of reincarnation until we are free of that cycle and return home to Heaven. These is achieved while we are alive, not through dying and is called spiritual enlightenment. Both Catholics and Muslims are death worshippers. If, during one of our reincarnations, we sin too much, when we die, we go to Hell.
gee, how nice. We are born into a cycle of reincarnation until we are free of that cycle and return home to Heaven. These is achieved while we are alive, not through dying and is called spiritual enlightenment. Both Catholics and Muslims are death worshippers. If, during one of our reincarnations, we sin too much, when we die, we go to Hell.
1:20:48 I almost teared up when Hitchens reaches to brush his hair back...it's a gesture he's so used to that he kind of forgets he doesn't have long hair anymore. We miss you, Christopher!
These morons Fidus Achates and Ziyaad Dhorat don't understand that you've watched and listened to Hitch for so long that you know his mannerisms intimately, that's a pretty good example of "knowing" someone. I miss him too, I've never heard a more eloquent person and don't expect to ever again
@@ziyaaddhorat yeah na, I've spent at least a hundred hours watching his debates and lectures and don't recall any "weak" points, and as to him "babbling" he's concise to the point of being terse. Let's face it, you're having a go at him because he picked on your imaginary friend
What a great and civilized and often funny debate. As for Christopher Hitchens, he constantly reminds of the ridiculousness of religious faith and what it preaches, a hero of mine 🙏
1:35:56 such a beautiful final question to (and replying answer from) Hitchens. I feel like he deserved a standing ovation at this point. What an absolute legend.
He is such a humanist he really cares about the human race. The way that he speaks about Josef Fritzls daughter and how she suffered. He is full of compassion. I defy anybody not to love him. M Kennedy.
He'll certainly be forgotten. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PS5buGnHVZw.html
It's amazing that atheists would come to listen to a man named Hitchens preaching atheism. If you come to think of it is like going to a church to hear a mortal man speak. Finally, RIP has no meaning whatsoever to Hitchens, just spare him that.
@@alexman8800 it is amazing only if you think of human experiences only through a faith-based paradigm. I would agree that it is "like going to a church to hear a mortal man speak." It is very much like that. But church is hardly the only medium in which we can appreciate another human's thoughts and experiences. Books, in person lectures, recorded conversations, church, RU-vid, etc. In that respect you can also say that going to church is like going to a music concert. RIP any ideas founded on such a narrow view of human experience.
@@alexman8800 Yes, RIP is a nonsense, as nothingness can't experience rest or peace. "Requiescat in pace" has its origins in Catholicism, specifically it is the wish that the dead rest peacefully while awaiting their resurrection and final judgement. It's odd how opponents of religion continue to use the phrase despite its religious significance.
I think the afterlife is exactly the same as the beforelife. Billions of years passed by before I was born and I was completely unaware of any of it. I suspect the afterlife will be the same.
How clueless you are. You can't even deal with the 'beginning,' creation, now your tiny brain thinks it knows the ending. The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
@Nameofname let me know when your tiny brain can get around the fist law by actually having evidence that supports it. Your blah blah is just blah blah.
could be that our memory of that 13 billion years was erased as we were born in this life. I'd like an afterlife where I'd be in a beach with unlimited vegan food and beautiful women serving the food and drinks and they be dancing and so on. 😂
@@recliningbuddha Thank you. I am also concerned with proper grammar and I was unaware of this rule. I looked it up, and you are right. But, may I just congratulate you on delivering a corrective comment in the least offensive way possible. Grammar problems aside, I thought my joke was pretty good. Akin to the "one with everything" hot dog standard.
@@tobiestockhoff4251 that was the first time I had seen either one of them. I've only been getting into these types of debates for a couple of months now, but I agree that William Lane Craig definitely owned the debate against Sam Harris. Jordan Peterson vs Sam Harris is another good one. Jordan Peterson unravels Sam Harris' mind and exposes all of its flaws...
@@gooey5234 Yes. Peterson is a real thinker with a very logical thought pattern. I feel atheists have it tough as is, with no real foundation to fall back upon. Add someone like Peterson and kaboom.
@@tobiestockhoff4251 Did you ever consider whether you agree with everything Jordan Peterson says because you are Christian and he champions your beliefs? Rather than him actually being correct?
@John Campbell What is an afterlife if not memories of life? Thinking about the afterlife in this makes a lot of sense I think. Your deeds and their influence lasts. You watch over people in a way. You stay with them, and the memory of you gives them comfort when they need it. Your body dies, but your spirit lives on in the hearts of the people who loved you.
@John Campbell Conceptualising the afterlife as a metaphor for your good deeds and your influence staying with people isn't wishful thinking. It's also not something one could "prove" in any meaningful way. Thats not the point. The idea was to think of the afterlife in grounded and realistic terms instead of visualising it as an actual eternal place where ones soul goes after death. Your response, apart from missing the point, makes you look like a wannabe cynic, because instead of entertaining an idea for what it's worth, you seem to just resort to your belief that anything that cannot be scientifically proven is automatically religious bullshit, and therefore not worthy of further thought. It's a pretty unsophisticated way of thinking, but you might get past it eventually.
Reincarnation was taught by Jesus son of Joseph and science has now proven it. Google that and see 7seals.blogspot.com - only the returned Christ and Einstein directly reincarnated could produce that. It's triggered The Apocalypse/Revelation.
Yes, Jews, Christians and Atheists have grown up to debate like adults. Except for members of my old cult Islam! Muslims still behave like 5-12 year old kids when they “debate” with atheists and other non-Muslims.
Well, that was about one of the best, if not the best, panels I've ever listened to on any subject. When it comes to religion vs. logic, it's usually an absurd mismatch, but each side did admirably and gave us all food for thought.
@South Florida Horticulture Atheism is the lack of belief in a deity. To be clear, It's not a claim that a deity can not exist. Not believing something there is not evidence for is logically sound.
@Aaron Bunfill Given the fact that no one has ever shown an afterlife to even be possible, let alone to exist, your best bet is saying she's dead and in the best case you're right and on the off chance that despite there being zero reason to even consider an afterlife, there is one, well, let's just say we'll have to hope that no religion on Earth has been correct. Then again, the chances of any religion being correct is 0. All the evidence shows that people have made up and do make up gods and that people have no way of showing what a god is like and give contradicting descriptions, even within any given denomination of any theistic religion. Meanwhile no god(s) has/have been shown to exist or even be possible unless their jsut meaningless redifinitions of existing things like the universe, so no god or afterlife should ever be considered an option until they are at least shown to be possible and after thousands of years of apologists their arguments have never evolved beyond wishful thinking and arguments from ignorance, so it's pretty safe to bet on the non existence of both and you should bet on that because that is what the evidence shows and the most effective way to increase well being and minimize suffering is by dealing with reality and disregarding all the nonsense that hasn't been shown to possible or exist, like gods, fairies, ghosts, etc..
@@eatcheese8soup Levity is common among the godless of this world and is a sure sign foolishness accompanies it. ''The fool has said in their heart there is no God.'' (Bible)
@@stylis666 Talk about an argument from ignorance. The designer universe is conclusive evidence there is the God of the Bible. ''And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge God turned them over to a reprobate mind to do those things which are not convenient.'' (Romans 1:28)
@@MegaSage007 _"Talk about an argument from ignorance. The designer universe is conclusive evidence there is the God of the Bible."_ Thanks for doing my work for me. I only wish you'd understand what you just said.
@@MrDigztheswagking I wonder how Hitchens behaved, post-diagnosis, when he was NOT in the public eye. The *first and primary* drive of all living organisms (as Hitchens presented them, i.e. as non-spiritual, purely animal beings) is, after all, survival, and it is therefore completely alien for ANY creature - especially high-functioning, deep-thinking creatures such as humans - to regard death even with mere equanimity. To go beyond this, and to regard death with apparent disdain, as Hitchens appeared to demonstrate in public, is far from normal, but rather is either self-destructive, dishonest, irrational, or symptomatic of profound depression. I don't for a moment think that *anyone,* apart from those few who so strongly believe in an afterlife that they consider their physical life well lost in comparison, calmly contemplates death as he said he did. And another point: if he *really* didn't care about his own death (other than because it deprived him of the enjoyment of life), why did he even accept lengthy, very unpleasant, disabling, and almost-certainly ineffectual treatment which largely destroys the quality of life? None of it seems likely to me, and I think you'd need to have actually been there and spoken to him when the cameras *weren't* rolling to know what he *_really_* thought about dying. I don't buy the 'nonchalant' act - but that was, of course, one of his major selling points, so it's obvious why he'd keep it up in public.
@@NellSmithwell of COURSE he was afraid. He was human. But how would it serve him or anyone if acted that way in public? Noone would do that. Most people would hide their fear. I'm unsure why that was even a question? Was that some lame attempt at trying to paint him as changing his stance being afraid of death? Making him regretful that he didn't believe when he should've? I'm unsure why you would even say such a thing ....
I can answer this final question. I was a psychologist and PTSD trauma therapist until I was savagely attacked and have been given huge brain damage. I have had two heart attacks since which needed me to be resuscitated from. Most recently was a month ago. My experience was sporting moments from my happy childhood flashing before my eyes. Then I was brought back to life. I have no idea what that means, and no one does! I still have my verbal intelligence and my scientific intelligence. My mathematics went from very high to almost nothing. I can also think in rhyme for hours if I need to produce nice pieces of written poetry or work. Yet recently I have started to struggle with left and right. Sometimes that struggle can last for a few minutes. Since I started having seizures, obviously I stopped driving so it’s not a hazard to anyone else but it’s annoying to me to have to work out which way to get up out of my armchair! I am not religious, but I would not call myself an atheist. I don’t know the answers but I don’t think agnostic is good enough word anymore. I have had a couple of spiritual experiences and I don’t need them explained to me. What happens after I die, which won’t be long, is not my business. It’s not like I can change it. I’ve always been a huge admirer of Christopher Hitchens, so when I lost my ability to practice. I turned to the same type of online journalism. I have my own RU-vid channel which I never publish in my comments, but if anyone looked at it, they’ll see that I’m entirely lucid. All together a great debate, on all sides.
Wow, how rare is it to really read a comment and feel taken aback. I hope you're ok but am saddened by your comment about not having long left. We are not able to change what happens to us and it sounds like a terrible ordeal that you experienced. If you're able to use that and bring positively or kindness to others as a result then that would be a positive outcome. I wish you well fellow being. One love, sincerely
"Then I was brought back to life. " The thing is: you weren't brought back to life because you were not dead. If you were dead, you'd still be dead. Whatever you saw was seen while you were still alive. The one thing I have never understood about near-death experiences is the same for any other "spritual" experience; people find themselves (or bring themselves) in a state where their brain is *NOT* functioning properly (trauma, drug etc) and take whatever they experience while their brain is malfunctioning as evidence of something they cannot detect when their brain is working properly. Most importantly; they will add "I cannot explain it, but I know what I saw" and proceed to describe an experience that cannot be told apart from a dream.
Christopher and Sam - the dynamic duo! Christopher Eric Hitchens ~4/13/49 -- 12/15/11~ RIP The beacon that makes light, the light that makes heat, the heat that impels fire, the fire that lights our way. You are indeed brave, good sir knight, and fight with the strengths of many men. Rest, praeliator, your work here is finished. Thank you, amicus meus.
So boring now to hear atheists demanding some form of material evidence for things clearly beyond the material universe, and therefore beyond the reach of the physical sciences. it's almost as if they have some form of OCD about it!
@@DB-qw6xq Why clearly? Surely Leprechauns and fairies are also beyond the realm of the physical sciences, do you believe in these on the same basis as a god? If not, I am assuming you would want some physical evidence.
@@DB-qw6xq what you’ve essentially said is that there cannot be any good evidence for X, and thus it doesn’t make sense to ask for the good evidence… and now that we’re no longer asking for evidence, we should just believe it. The issue is: that can apply to ANYTHING unfalsifiable, which means that every outlandish claim should be believed as long as it cannot be disproven (a ridiculous notion). The fact that your claims have no good means of investigation doesn’t make it rational to therefore forgo investigation and believe it anyways… what it means is that you will never have justification for believing it for as long as it is unfalsifiable. It also means that any claims you make about having a justified belief in it would be equivalent to claiming you’ve detected the undetectable.
Hitchens is like an old Kung Fu master, effortlessly taking out heavily armed opponents without breaking a sweat...... and he can make you laugh out loud while he's doing it.
Reincarnation was taught by Jesus son of Joseph and science has now proven it. Google that and see 7seals.blogspot.com - only the returned Christ and Einstein directly reincarnated could produce that. It's triggered The Apocalypse/ Revelation.
@@marksip01234/Anonymous Coward: You ignored the "7 Seals" revealed as 'Beyond Einstein Theories' and you've very rudely judged me, therefore... BY the power(77) vested in me by GOD as the reincarnated Christ(77=C3+H8+R18+ I9+S19+T20), I hereby rule that 11/19/20 is your Judgment Day: you FAIL. Sentence: Really awful luck for the rest of your life, then your eternal soul won't be reincarnated as human for 17,400 years with 474 years incommutable. When you're born-again as human, it'll be under really hellish circumstances. Note: You can repent... c.c. 7seals.yuku.com
@@macondo0143/Anonymous Coward: I AM a scientist. You are an antichrist who is NOT going to repent - YOU are beyond any help. You have very rudely judged me, therefore... BY the power(77) vested in me by GOD as the reincarnated Christ(77=C3+H8+R18+I9+S19+T20), I hereby rule that 12.11.20 is your Judgment Day: you FAIL. Sentence: Really awful luck for the rest of your life, then your eternal soul won't be reincarnated as human for 17,400 years with 474 years incommutable. When you're born-again as human, it'll be under really hellish circumstances. Note: You can repent, publicly apologize, do many months of verifiable public service and petition this court for a retrial. GOD & Christ II are just & forgiving. However, any contempt-of-court Will result in an increased sentence. You're now part of a grand scientific experiment to last 1,000+ years. c.c. 7seals.yuku.com
God has a plan that is clear. Don't blame God for you ignoring it. Hitch ignored basic science. The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LoT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
@@2fast2block ... That's because nothing of Importance was written by you ... which doesn't seem to be proper English. I DID INDEED read your comment, but it failed to make a dent in my attitude. Once again - you can make a lot wonderful claims for your God, but you have failed to prove that very first cause - your God.
@@bobbart4198 oh, ok, the universe did create itself and got around the laws I gave followed by your evidence of... (blank) Wow, you worked hard for giving blanks. Are you proud?
Void-Life-void.... If you have any brains you will understand that God sent me to Hell so that I come back out of it to tell you that God killed death. mohammed was the ast Messenger but only He knew the meaning of Alif Laam meem. i am he.
Yes his gift was he was blind to the truth of God being real ,sad to see so many souls dammed cause of a loser clown like him...now i have to walk the streets with heartless sheeples who look at this fool as truth and wisdom, thanks Chris for you stupidity on the plain may you name get taken out of the book of life for the ones you have misguided in this realm and may you soul never walk this earth ever again.
After and before are the same thing for time is not linear. The geometric impression comes from the thermodynamic Arrow. The themodynmic Arrow created the illusions of reality but our electromagnetic energy dematerialise our brains and bodies into mind and bodily conciouness. We are in eternity. Only the present moment exist. this is how jésus ressuscitated the dead.
Htichens has an afterlife, only not of his own desire. Rather we continue to give him life in remembrance, anecdotes, quotes videos and debates. His body is lifeless, his pulse no more, he's entered a deep sleep for a final time. He's an ex-Hitchens. But the life he lived impacted so many that when his time runs out, his impact continues to exist. We keep Hitchens alive through a need/love/desire to live with his wisdom. We return to youtube over and over, searching for this debates and bringing these panelists to life again, well after their death. I write this 2023, twelve years after his death. In my life I will create intentional and unintentional memories for people - on balance I hope to have more positive than negative impacts on people I meet. When I take my last breath I hope the lessons or actions that brought others joy will outlive me. Christopher Hitchens, you would hate that your afterlife was in the hands sleep deprived midnight-youtubers. It might even surprise you, please you. Your impact was almighty. Thank you
My dear wife and I were great admirers of Christopher and naturally were committed atheists. Quite coincidentally, my wife developed cancer and passed away on exactly the same day of the year that Christopher died on which was the 16th of December. Nine years later.
I'm sorry for your loss, I hope she's at peace. I'm curious though, not even Einstein or Darwin were bold enough to be atheists- so some of your thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.
@@AntoineBlanc-u4v Thanks for your kind words. It’s a bit of a deep subject for texting on YT but I’ll distill it down to a very short story. I was raised in a Christian family and worshipped devoutly. When I was 23 I was backpacking in South America and looked up at the stars and had a good long think about my religion. None of it made any sense, not one little bit. You have to have ‘faith’ so that it would help you to believe incredible things which couldn’t possibly be true. I notice how much comfort religion gives people so that’s one good thing. The rest is offensive. My background and education is in science so if things don’t make sense I ignore them.
As close to death as Hitchens was here, he gives an absolute masterclass , he stands head and shoulders above the others who clearly are intelligent themselves. Hitchens death is such a loss to humanity.
He was quite sleazy. He informed on his friend Sidney Blumenthal to elevate his profile and burnish his brand during the Lewinsky circus. He reinvented himself as the first right-wing, left-winger supporting the invasion of Iraq which was a global catastrophy while clinging to primitive Marxist Economics. He tried blaspheming Islam then, when the money didn't flow, he blasphemed Christianity. His sole best seller: God is Not Great is recycled Dawkins with 1/8 the science and 8X the invective. He was a public lush, half his public appearances were drunken. Mediocre. Half educated. Vicious. Treacherous. (But Chris Buckley who hates his father for excelling him WOVED him.) The man had no redeeming qualities, he was a fat, besotted, parasitic scam artist and I am SICK TO DEATH of "hitch-slaps" which consist of malicious gutteral muttering. Hirch is a bitch. He is either nowhere or in hell and both are acceptable.
99.9 % of humanity have never and will never know who Hitch is. It is by no means a loss to humanity. Of the .1% who are aware of him, 99% of those disagree with him. May he RIP. But he wasn't a big deal to most people.
@@Art3615 Your first point is true but irrelevant . I'm sure it applies to many influential people. Your second point is nonsense. Have you ever seen him in debate or read any of his books ? He was one of the most well read people who ever lived and respected for it by many people who disagreed with his views.
I don't understand atheists. They claim that there is no God yet you go out of your way to worship another human being. How is this a loss to humanty if there is no meaning to life? Why does it matter if someone like Hitchens lives or dies?
@@MrEdd1397 Well imagine Atheist care about this world as well. And Mr. Hitchens was one man who fought for what he though was right and he tried to educate this world more.
I've watched plenty of debates between Hitchens and others, but never a debate as good as this. This debate was all around fantastic and had some serious firepower on both sides which is what makes the debate so good. It was as balanced a debate as I could imagine. I'm not as much a fan of Sam as I am of Hitchens, but he did a really great job in this debate. He spoke only when he knew that what he was saying would further the discussion and otherwise just listened without trying to interrupt or be too antagonistic. In fact, they all did a fantastic job. I was not familiar with Bradley before watching this video, but I quite like him as a speaker. Of course, Hitchens was--as always--absolutely brilliant.
@- well ....everything hasd a governing principle ...the same flawed logic you direct at believers , that everything has a governing principle ....is what you should apply to your logic here. If we take jesus at his word ...then we are shown that death is a transcendence . Those of us who are not mentally ill or liars ...that have experienced supernatural events can tell you that we have seen ,felt , heard , even sensed paranormal events too frequent and "real" to be UNEXPLAINED away ....by you and your ilk ...yes, you can afford to be cynical ...i get it- but i promise you would not hold your conviction would you have experienced even a fraction of the magnificent experiences ...WHY they dont manifest upon command ...or to "disbelievers ? I dunno ....maybe it really does have to do with faith...though i was not of faith when i first learnt .....so i dont know... but it mirrors jesus words that we transcend ....and that gives me enough of a clue to TOTALLY immerse myself in the faith that a god came down to show a small band of people that it is possible...not enough to totally change EVERYONES views ... but enough to lead a cause that demands faith - not SURETY ...as being 100% sure - would negate free will....and i see that as a sound logic. I want people around me - that are not coerced ...but drawn to the light of the world . That said ....i have zero problems with atheists ....it actually makes sense if you have had no strange experiences ...but for those of us who have - life can never have the same meaning ...a game changer that can only truly convert you if you get to experience same (and enough credible anecdotes exist )
@- ya dont say ........really ? Empirical evidence , well....sorry ,, ok ..hmmmm how about - At one stage EVERYTHING was unknown ? And how about ... This esoteric realm is just another UNDISCOVERED reality , that science is too small in its infancy to blow open the secrets to the universe ?
I had to play that back to understand that Christopher was pointing out the obvious cherry picking the Rabbi was doing. Christopher was so fast on the quip!
Reminds me of what Philip Roth said to his girlfriend who visiting him in the hospital and where she had read their questionnaire that asked to identify the patient’s religion.she asked Roth why would the hospital want such information. Roth said “well if you are dying and Catholic they will send in a priest, if you are Jewish a Rabbi.and if you are an atheist they will try and get Christopher Hitchens.”
@@mymixture965 alright so let me tell you this if you say god doesnt exist your life has no reasons at all your a peace of shit of the universe no one cares about you no one loves you you don't even exist lol thats how you think i guess your just a unicorn being finding the ugly land to cry out have a Great day unexist unicorn 🤣🤦🏻♂️
@@iceblueface3341 Why should all this have anything to do with god? What a stupid argument! I enjoy my live, I think I am doing a service to humanity, I want to make the world a better place, more love, more care for each other, more justice, everything! But this has nothing to do if I believe in Santa Claus or not. To bound meaning of live with a god, with a higher being is a stupid argument. We can only live in the world we know, we know about this one we both live in, lets make it better, if you get something extra when you are dead from your god, good for you. I don't believe in him, he can kiss my ass with his stupid rules, just read the bible and than you tell me it is the same god we are talking about, I mean old versus new testament. I became an atheist the day I read the bible, what a stupid fucked up book, full of nonsense. If a god wrote that bullshit, you believe in a very stupid god. Good luck, have fun....and don't fuck your neighbours wive.
I had a brain haemorrhage in 2010, I don't remember the first six weeks in hospital which is why I no longer believe in an afterlife and no longer fear death.
When you consider even stars eventually die, makes you realise that the possibility of an afterlife is non existent. I mean where do they go, to star heaven?
I love debates like this. Respectful, friendly, but assertive. It also reminds me that sometimes, it doesn't matter what is objectively true or false. What matters is that you put together a view of the world that makes your life, and the lives of others around you, appreciably better.
