Christopher Hitchens and Tariq Ramadan Debate: Is Islam a Religion of Peace? 

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Not many, if any, but we're having it for them. The power of technology means that anyone can access it if they really want. Many don't, but some do. The power of education is slow and can only chip away at the forces of religion but eventually it works.

​@@IusedtohaveausernameIliked Incidentally, this is actually why many of their holy texts immediately teach them technophobia. Anything to keep them ignorant.

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Simple answer too, In Indonesia (I origin from here) moslem more 200 million ppl , malaysia as well nothing new to do inter religion discussion or debate like this in fun, respect and friendly environment

Is that a quote from someone, if not I think you have a quote there :D

More like some people want it to seem violent

This reasoning seems to imply that the moment somebody calls for a debate they automatically win.

instead of "probably" I'd use "most likely"

@@Herodotus77 Yeah but how many debates have you seen about whether the Jains have a peaceful religion or not?

Even in death he’s a beacon of intellectuality that’s inspiring young people like myself to do better everyday. It staggers the mind to think that most of what he put forth in his lifetime still rings true. Hitchens is the man.

I too grew up as a slightly younger contemporary of Hitch. And every time his odious brother opens his mouth, or pens his latest vitriol, apologia or misplaced belief he was a fraction of his sibling - I lament the death of the wrong Hitchins.

​@@rick-potts Have you by any chance seen the first hitchens vs hitchens debate from 99? I too have long held a deep dislike for Peter and was surprised to see, he does indeed have a sense of humour. It's one of the few videos of Peter in which didn't leave me with a dull ache in my jaw.

Indeed. What's great about this debate is how even his Muslim opponent can't help but laugh or smile at several points in response to Hitchens' charismatic points.

So true.@@rick-potts

I miss Hitchens, he was brilliant

I get the sentiment, but I think it's misguided. If you like a speaker/whatever so much, then try and emulate him. The same goes for other popular historical figures.

we still have alex o conner and genetically modified skeptic😊

Not really....he supported the immoral lie and Iraq war that killed millions.

​@@thomasbayer1843what's misguided about saying "that person's mix of experiences and intellect would be valuable right now." Emulating someone doesn't bring that person back to life, lol - it just brings your perspective into focus.

It's peaceful when you stay tf off their land. Why does he need to freely roam a land he doesn't belong in?

What, you think Muslims can freely live in Israel? Are you riding a short bus rn?

@@lolmanyeah1 muslims dont belong in us uk you mean

​@@lolmanyeah1yeah tbf that's a very good point

Muslims deserve ridicule for following a delusional pedophile . End of story

Agreed, well said.

Only to discover that he was wasting his time debating a fake prophet, double-faced serial rapist like Ramadan.

@@honeybabou6119 Whoa, dial it down there, Babou. I think that Tariq is extremely unctuous and dishonest here in his arguments, but if you are going to accuse him of being a serial rapist, can you post links to news articles or accusations by former victims of his alleged assaults? That's a fair request, isn't it?

@Greg Brown No problem. I'm French and Ramadan is very famous there so his legal troubles were/are a very big thing.

@@honeybabou6119 Nah it's far from a waste of time. Not only is this guy a monster, he's a monster who can't even fake a coherent worldview. Both his person and his ideas are repudiated, and I think that is a more complete victory.

Tru Dat!

As well as Hitchens warning about letting Islamist in to your country and then being too afraid to stand up to them. We are seeing that come to a head recently too.

It's weird when you find anybody that makes an influence on you and then you find out they are dead, I went through the same thing with Hitchens. It honestly feels like he could still be alive just based on the fact that I probably would never see him anyways

His thoughts,his books and audiobooks, his utter greatness and fierce intellect will live forever more.... Lenore (I am fading here,the raven from Edgar Allan Poe narrated by Christopher Lee on RU-vid is absolutely necessary to hear!) CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS RIP AND MAY EVERYONE SPREAD THE WORD AND KNOWLEDGE WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL IN THESE VERY CHALLENGING TIMES!!!!

Ex-Muslim antitheist here from Pakistan. I left this evil 7th century cult in 2016. One of the best decisions of my life. Glad I'm not part of this evil and barbaric cult anymore

Very well written Eja and Christopher thanks you post hum and surely would have been touched by the gratitude for your absolute kindness and yes, his ideas and his fierce intellect will live forever !!!

@@christophervolk6087 that was undoubtedly his strength,no doubt about that!!!your voice and many others totally reflects his point of view,he surely would have been touched by all this kindness because Christopher was absolutely kind in the first place without any political attachment,no, just being genuine and smart (as in knowledge)!!! he's surely missed but by no means forgotten!!!!⛅

We miss you Hitch

@@laminoor566what 💀💀

@@laminoor566 The commenter is pointing out the hypocrisy of Mr. Ramadan's conjecture, in the realm of actions speak louder than ancient written words.

The true form of Islam is to act kind. Most moslems forget about a word 'Akhlak' that means good attitude. This.. is, actually, the main Mohammad message. But, many of them seems to forgetting it and too focused on sins/worship issues. And not about social relationship between individuals. Islam, even in it's communal form, actually very individual based religion. I mean, you need to fix yourself first before looking outside. Judging, prejudice, and in this case... Feeling 'holier' than others is also a sin.

Why do muslims keep assuming their religion existed before Christianity 😂 This liar sneaked it in at 46:00 and then covered it by other issues which is often their Dawah tactics when debating for their religion of lies.

bloody west shame on you your country and this bullshit piece aka hitchens has advocted for destruction of whole country IRAQ . while debating either islam is peaceful or not you people have shown your true face as power hungary nihilistic individuals who have long history of violence killing 135 million red indians than 80 million in ww2 and now 5 million+ in post 9 11 wars and presently in gaza...how dare you to judge us on peace you dont deserve to sit with us....

I think he would be both horrified and saddened if he was still around today as our governments have welcomed this cult and sold us all down the river.

bloody west shame on you and this bullshit piece aka hitchens has advocted for destruction of whole country IRAQ . while debating either islam is peaceful or not you people have shown your true face as power hungary nihilistic individuals who have long history of violence killing 135 million red indians than 80 million in ww2 and now 5 million+ in post 9 11 wars and presently in gaza...how dare you to judge us on peace you dont deserve to sit with us....

He'd have been mocked and ridiculed to the point normies see his name and cringe. Doesn't matter how smart you are or how reasonable your logic is, the media controls who see's it and how they see it.

the religion does not make these demands. its human custodians do that. religion neither good or bad. rather, it is both. evil is necessary to measure good - and vica versa.

No one said Religion is peaceful there😀

@@TheAdamwest29 why is religion good and bad, who told you that, and why should I believe it, where is the proof? People are good and bad, it has nothing to do with religion. Religion is a weapon for mass manipulation, there is no proof of any religious claims has ever happened.

@@MrScunna Can't you accept them as they are

​@@TheAdamwest29 "the religion does not make these demands. its human custodians do that" There is no religion outside the minds of humans.

Which question ? I can give you the answer.

@J what are talking about? Can you be clear please and say exactly what you want to say ?

@J Ramadhan is a brother in humanity and we share the same belief.

As would you if you had to defend failed & stagnating societies blinded by medieval beliefs.

@@BeppeRGDL true

10 years ago is still 20-30 years too late.

bloody west shame on you and this bullshit piece aka hitchens has advocted for destruction of whole country IRAQ . while debating either islam is peaceful or not you people have shown your true face as power hungary nihilistic individuals who have long history of violence killing 135 million red indians than 80 million in ww2 and now 5 million+ in post 9 11 wars and presently in gaza...how dare you to judge us on peace you dont deserve to sit with us....

That’s what makes me the most frustrated. This man warned us so much, but people are too ignorant. See universities right now and the protests. Hitchens wouldn’t be happy at all

Christopher is a genius taken far too soon.

In other 10 years we’ll probably be making comments about it being 20yrs old yet, politically, the landscape is still unchanged

unfortunately

Anything related to religion ages horribly.

@@WVK23 touché. Religion talks the most about "GOD", but produces the most ungodly societies.

Turkey still is a secular democracy what are you babbling about.

@@izzomoses7994 the more Islamist turkey becomes the more it slips down. 2012- 88 in democratic index, now at 110. It's now hoping to showcase itself as the leader of the islamic state. Wikipedia remains banned...press has very limited freedom, 'insulting erdogan' amounts to almost blasphemy...Thousands are in jail or on trial for bogus terrorism charges...Turkey would rate at the very last in democratic index, yet some people would say it's 'still a democracy'. Religion poisons everything especially monotheisms.

Exactly!!!....A True Voice of Reason, and Logic....in a chaotic world

​@@RomanAquilaNothing logical at all about Christopher, a low IQ moron.

He is gone, but do not despair. Uphold the mantle. It is a many-arrowed burden but those of us that bear it know the weightlessness of reason despite our armor. Tread forth in his name.

I am crying now literaiiy. He truly is missed. Oh Hitchins the voice of reason.

Yes.

It didn't, Hitchens point of view aged well and thats not a good thing for the west

He was always intellectually shallow and retarded. A bully who should be laughed at and be thrown into the dustbin of History where he belongs.

@@TheEverFreeKing 🤣🤣🤣 so Ramadan speaks a bunch of gibberish, asks you to ignore evidence and you eat it up because his "argument" agrees with your skewed and narrow world view. Talk about shallow and laughable 🤣🤣🤣

The old Islamophobe and misogynist Hitchens.

@@akashsom8357 The logic can only be understood by logical people. I don't guess your very logical. BTW, I don't waste time watching flies on garbage cans. Sounds like a hobby for you.

I miss him too, terribly.

"Hitch Slap" LMAO 🤣🤣😂😂

@@Dark_Force_Of_Wishes search for _Hitch Slap_ on RU-vid. Hours of entertainment!

@@magnetiktrax That's Assault. Hitchens Assaulted People By Slapping Them.

Hope it reaches and resounds the nut in the grave dead somewhere in the middle east.

@@Dark_Force_Of_Wishes You're assaulting people online with your stupidity. Rather have a HitchSlap.

And trust me when i say this, there is worse stuff within the Qur'an, Hadiths and islamic history that is almost impossible to comprehend and understand if you are not a native Arabic speaker or you have spent your entire life studying it. Things that are horrific and mostly unspoken as the western receiver will not be able to understand even in translation. The book is even worse than what the worst atheist critique makes it be.

ikr

@NazTdawg UK abdools? u must be a CP's crybaby fan. watch CP busted: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NiKl7kVFIco.html

Nor did Tariq's reputation as a scholar

Turkey's going just fine as it is. It's biggest problem is it's economy.

@@muhammadedwards8425 may Allah help erdogan and imran fix their country's economies. ameen.

@ali bazzi may I ask. I've seen some muslims claiming that "islamic states" as in incorporating islam into the laws are actually not what islam aspires to have (A journalist, Mehdi Hassan wrote about it). Do you agree with that? To what extent is shariah law a part of Islam? Does "islamic type of government" exist in Quran at all?

@@piratassarajevo4293 Tbh most muslims aren't taught enough about their religion. I am actually studying Fiqh (islamic jurisprudence) in Cape Town, S. Africa. Most muslims are not middle-easterners. Point being that Islam is both a world wide religion and it has a history that rivals any of the older religions in complexity. I'm going to say some things and I will elaborate on each that anyone wants more information on. Although there were many Muslim countries, none were Islamic states. There is misunderstanding on the meaning of sharia, it is not Islamic law. Sharia is a metaphorical description that encompasses how a Muslim should live their lives. Muslims are okay with western laws, until in stops us from expressing our faith and love of God The Quran was not a comprehensive book. Similarly in physics, in Islamic theology it's as if the content is purposefully incomplete. It is implied that although there is a good path, the Quran doesn't touch on why's, how's and what's about the stuff it says. Not because there aren't reasons but because it's our Jeehad to figure it out Meaning that, as of now any muslim Scholar House does not lay claim to having a universal Sharia or even Fiqh

@@muhammadedwards8425 so in reality, it's better to keep the state secular (even when the majority is muslim) since islam doesnt really stipulate how the government+law should be established? And shariah is the product of cultures+different interpretations rather than a fixed guideline from quran....am I understanding it correctly?

@@saadidrissi3181 Firstly, Sharia literally means the straightest path to a source of fresh water. It is metaphorical for 'the way one should live their life'. And there is no agreed upon Sharia, the way people use the word now. Secondly, I mentioned most muslims don't know enough about the history of the practitioners of Islam and about Islamic concepts in general. Therefore, using their opinions on law is not a indicator of the religion itself. Also contrary to the opinions of those muslims, Islamic scholars have a long tradition of legal pluralism. Meaning different laws apply to different groups in society. Christendom follows Christian law etc. until two groups are involved. I think many muslims might be more open with this idea if they knew about their history Lastly, I mentioned metaphorical basis', the Quran is not a scientific book of miracles. No muslim scholar of the Quran who does his work would believe that because that does not correlate with the reasoning for it being revealed

l don't think any religion is totally peaceful. Sorry, there is one, Jainism.

And knows he is gonna loose.

😂 and even before the verdict is read deep down he doesn't care what the judge thinks.

Such a good analogy 😂

Lmao

Before going to prison for rape.

Omega oof

sigh

We're one of the first countries that gave women rights to be chosen as presidents.They may continue slandering us,but the fact is clear.

@@myk1137 that was before erdogan buddy. Turkey and Iran both share similarities in that they where pretty progressive until the violent troglodytes took over. Iran seems like it could come back anytime now though. Idk about turkey.

@@myk1137 pretty sad things have devolved.

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@@glenncolotti3670 Tariq Ramadan: The rock star scholar and the rape claims - BBC News ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZGComFfYkXY.html

@@glenncolotti3670 "Tariq Ramadan literally pounced on me like a wild beast," says Henda Ayari ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GnnFy0uFe3E.html Further investigation. Tariq Ramadan: the devil in the body - May 23, 2019 (France 2) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZBVeex65YJ4.html Tariq Ramadan: ex-partner testifies and denounces "moral violence" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cI5zHhn6eq4.html Tariq Ramadan: The rock star scholar and the rape claims - BBC News ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZGComFfYkXY.html Tariq Ramadan and variable geometry "sodomy" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-W17Q0Kx0agM.html ..........

@truth searcher Tariq is the master of incoherence and bullshit.

He was found guilty in multiple charges of rape, some against minors

Exactly. He and his type, are so frustrating.

Very typical of religious folks

@@reddevil211287 His "type" are muslims. Watch ANY muslim apologists, even the lauded Hijab. It's pure rhetoric, with varying degrees of sophistication, very highly observable in Hijab's case, but pure rhetoric and no substance. It is the appeal to idiocy and ignorance fallacy that all religious apologists use in makign a point. And it makes me fume

Deserves more likes. This is the fundamental pro lem, islamic text(s) endorse killing.

That's say a lot about religion's representation among you people not much about Islam.

Same for me with Christianity. I can't believe I wasted so many years believing in a fairy tale.

what made you leave Islam?

@@hamzakamran2485 personally, although i watch christopher hitchen occasionaly and other atheist debaters, I do not think I will leave Islam for anything.

@@TurkiAlbaqami cool. enjoy defending muhammad's r8pe of aisha at 9

@@Cantbearsed447 the liberal west that you all give your right arm to immigrate to. Yeah! :))

Ramadan was prosecuted in 2018 in Switzerland for multiple rapes. In 2023 total was 5. He is finish

well they turned out to be the less barbaric side ...by far

​@@WilliamTyndale007lol not like Israel has a moral leg to stand on

@@Maxibo234thats called a deflection.

​@@Maxibo234you must be an abdool

He didn't say it was complicated

He'd be horrified of trump's betrayal of the Kurdish people as we are.

@@thedoctor.a.s1401 How exactly did Trump betray the Kurdish people? Was it like when Obama let them be conquered by ISIS?

@@asdfjklol man American right wing people are so dumb I don't even understand

E RR Trump is a moron while Obama is a intellectual giant. Makes youa moron also!

That is because you are bias and you don't know the real facts of history. So whatever bulish invented facts, Mr. Hitchens comes up with, you really like to swallow it.

He has since been acquitted of one of those allegations by a court in Geneva. (Comment edited to reflect ongoing allegations).

@@will-ellington He has been acquitted of one charge, there are yet four outstanding charges against him (as well as other allegations related to the rape charges, but not themselves rape charge). He's not coming back to Oxford, that's for certain.

@@ericforsyth My apologies. You are indeed correct. I will redact my comment accordingly.

It’s very obvious he is Swiss from all those holes in his arguments.

​@@Zion66666didn't expect a cheese analogy here. Lol. I was serious and stoic reading the comments in this thread and you made me laugh. Thanks.

His entire performance was _A whole lot of nothing._ His best defense was addressed before he even said it, when Hitchens stayed up front that claiming the “bad” Muslims, ARENT _real Muslims._ They misread the text and are practicing “anti-Islam” he claimed. In reality, if you read the Quran, Sira, and Hadiths, you will with absolute certainty quickly find conscription to murder or subjugate other humans.

imagine my surprise

Did ramadan really say it's a tiny minority of clerics that believe in the death penalty for homosexuality, apostasy, etc? I'd love to see this supported with facts. Once again, the religion is peaceful. It's just that all of these Muslim majority countries keep getting it wrong somehow.

@@scr3am811 your reference doesn't exist, can you provide a link so we can verify your claims?

@@scr3am811 still waiting for you to provide a link, and what does it say in the Qur'an about apostasy?

Certainly Tariq had good points, islam fundamentally is wicked, but certainly the perception of the believers is adapting to secular standards so i think that it will end up like Christianity, with people that can question the religion adn the worst that you can get is having to deal with an angry Karen

​@@DarthVaderfrif you need to rerhink your religion and make fundamental changes to it. Then that in itself makes it nonsense.

He struggled to contain his anger behind a very thin veil.

@@DarthVaderfr you do know that there are much worse things to come of christianity than the occasional angry mom right??

Have you seen the Monty Python team dismantle a very suspect christian bishop? #lifeofbrian

The moral high ground is readily available to any religion that doesn’t support roving bands of state sponsored serial killers to murder their wives,daughters and sons for disobedience to their dress code,going to school,adultery or homosexuality.

You're so simplistic. You should listen again. There's no winner or loser here. Just get beyond that black and white scheme

So in your words he is burning in hell

Because all Muslim apologists like Tariq can never and will never directly address the issues of Islam that Hitchens brings up. For all their fluffy wonderful talk about Islam's values of peace, spirituality and family, all of this stuff is used as a shield to hide and deflect the fact that Islam endorses values that are intolerant, authoritarian and violent.

Violence is to be expected when you attack nation upon nation on baseless facts I.E fake claims of WMDs in Iraq, killing millions of innocent people also occupying a nation that welcomed you to their land in Palestine from being oppressed by nazi Germany to being the same thing you run away from to those that welcomed you. Hypocrisy is very strong within must western world you can’t expect to take a number 2 around the world then be surprised when you don’t flush what you did will come back in some form thanks to the wind.

Hitchens stance is mostly humrous and at times mocking picking bits and pieces here and there and that's what people like but Mr Ramadan has refuted it beautifully on ground realities. RIP Hichens

Tbf any religious apologizer doesn't stand a chance against him, muslim or christian

@@ypjoebali96379 drop one point Mr Tariq made

u have a source for that?

@@TheOneTrue_SadmanGoogle…

@@TheOneTrue_Sadman It's all there on the Wikipedia page about Tariq Ramadan. And you can't say it some kind of Islamophobic attack. Muslim women filed the charges. Tariq's defense against the rape charges is that it was consensual sex. That makes eight adultery charges from a expert on islam.

@@annegreengables6367 Which means 8 woman can loose their lives.

​@@TheOneTrue_Sadman"and in October 2020, Ramadan was formally charged with raping a fifth woman." Wikipedia source: Tariq Ramadan visé par une cinquième mise en examen pour viol". Le Monde.fr (in French). 23 October 2020. Archived from the original on 24 October 2020. Retrieved 24 October 2020.

Well said!

Well said! Civilised peoples everywhere need to embrace reason over dogma!

excellent comment

Right on!

I think his friends and family might disagree.

Religion is the cause of all that is negative.

Are you really worried about a cartoon??? Really are you 4 years old?

@@markadkins1225 Am I worried about a cartoon?

Mark Adkins no we are not worried about a cartoon we are worried that there is a huge amount of people willing to fucking kill over a cartoon and want the people who drew it in JAIL OR DEAD. In 2020. In a modern country. It’s fucking barbaric

In the whole debate u found one poor point from tareq, great job but i found more than 8 illogical statements came from ur scholar's mouth so no need to mention such stuff and stop picking sides.

even the most peaceful religions have radicals. Even hindus

@@TheTurbanator123 What do extremist buddhists do? Not suicide bombing lmao.

The extremely peaceful muslims you talk about lead humble life’s in this dunya, you won’t ever hear about them. SubhanAllah may everyone find peace and the truth Alhamdulillah Salamu alaykum warahmatullahi wa barakatuh.

@@Zoykzmc They have massacred many muslims in Myanmar for example

First look at the extremists in your own environment/country

LoL. Not in the top 10 million. Smart man, but not an Einstein or Newton

No, he always kissed APARTHEID israeli arse. #BDS

@@auntiesemite9295 no, he really didn't.

It's too bad his brother is such an idiot though

Not by everyone

@@mrpeterson1481 Ouch

​@@mrpeterson1481double ouch

He was just a bitter man who like making blanketed arguments. He was perhaps a master of bitter generalization.

Luckily we have his discourses recorded...yay for technology??.. except for A.I. ..that will possibly be the boss of the world by 2030

I like Hitchens but also I respect Ramadan's perspective.

False. Hitchens speaks of a time when his white ancestors had infiltrated the muslim lands and caused destruction. Tariq speaks of 1200y islam where peace prospered.

@@dadush4 Wouldn't be so sure about peace, Islam started in the year 610, Ever since then it was constant civil war or war with other countries if you look at history

@@graymatter6661 youtube is eating my comment because im a bad boy using words like "genocide" what a stupid platform.

@@dadush4 ok?

Hitchens is alive through his works. His videos are still available in RU-vid. But in near future, RU-vid will probably take them in order to appease the Muslims who will violently demand them to be removed.

You said it my friend. Look at the state of the Western world crying out for a man like Hitchens to surface and take on our enemies and were he still with us I do believe we wouldn’t be in quite the mess we are. He would appeal to our courage and face the enemy instead of Quislings in politics letting in the Trojan horse and good men say and do nothing.

i bet he doesn't

There will be a second coming

He is. Never knew him but only just come across these videos now. His wisdom still spread even after his death. 👍👍👍

Yeah I feel the same way, probably beats his dog, oh wait…

That my friend is what we call racism.

Multiple rape allegations. oops, who could have known..

@@crusinx1234 oh really MO? What is the evidence behind your accusation?

@@RnRanimal Idk man everyone in the comments seems triggered about something. It's a debate. We're here to learn. And the comment makes no sense. Point to a moment where hostility was shown. And I could at least explain myself more, but it's a blanket statement. Hitchens was also aggressive and angry you dont see anyone making a statement about that.

I'll give you an advice stop watching Fox news.

@@jakewebdev6428 I'm from Iran so I know a thing or 2 about theocracies and the religion of "peace". Please don't try to defend it , most of us in Iran hate this religion.

@@k2h873 most Iranian people are good and they love their religion more than anything.

@@jakewebdev6428 Thats a contradiction in itself. You can not be good if you hold your religion above all else. With this view it is easy to justifiy any atrocity you want.

Yeah

I wish the bald man was still alive, his voice is deathly needed at the moment.

John Doe I couldn’t agree more

@@John-X This guy's debate-fu is legendary

Cancer treatment. Hitchens is an Islamofacsist authority.

@@swamivardana9911 Sexual violence: Tariq Ramadan arrives at court in Paris for questioning | AFP ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PyPzk9BnHpw.html

Unfortunately he died as a very ignorant man.

@@tajzikria5307 not only is that your opinion, your opinion is just wrong

@@nonstickmeat 🤡

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@@tajzikria5307 He didn't - you might.

I agree. The more you pay attention, the more you realise what a snake he is. He is very good at implying, in a very sophisticated way, that his opponent is racist and Islamophobic. See 1:14:15. He refuses to answer the question and constantly straw-mans arguments. At one point he said that Muslims can't have progressive societies because they are under authoritarian rule, and then immediately accuses Hitch of an "essentialist" view (in other words, a veiled accusation of Western bigotry) and says "don't say that Muslims can't have a progressive society." He is so dishonest.

He talked about people like you

Very well said

The problem is not the complexity of the religion, but the simplistic and light way people deal with it .

The problem is not the complexity of the religion, but the simplistic and light way people deal with it .

​@@nsibtrap8094here comes white washing sins of profile profet and his followers

YES!!! I couldn't agree more. I was thinking about that yesterday while listening to Sam Harris.

well you won't thank him when you find out that god actually exist. how could anyone believe the world camed of nothing ?

@@muslim_kun it's pretty easy to believe that.

@@thesigmamale2134 if i gave u a book and told u these letters arranged them self's over billions of years to be a complete book by pure chance will u ever believe me ? then how come this complex human body and this complex universe came by pure chance instead of a designer. if there is no god u and i will end the same way Dust. but if there is god u will wish u were a believer or end as dust.

@@muslim_kun that is a false analogy. Because two things share the quality of complexity doesn't mean both have a desinger behind it. In other words while the book and the universe are complex we can't assume the universe has a designer simply because one has one.

@@thesigmamale2134 not a false analogy because u can't give me one thing that could come from nothing.

may the gods feed him honey!

Worms are upon him...but i see your point!!!

What He is eating is sweet alright, sweet to those who he abused and accused of wrongdoing.

He talked rubbish.

No, you just couldn't understand him.

Tariq Ramadan accused of rape: "He hit me, then he strangled me, and then he raped me" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Yuvy9kPybXg.html

Well, rationality vs religion usually end up this way, cant have a satisfying ending. Otherwise its not called faith but science.

@bigbadb10 "Tariq Ramadan literally threw himself on me like a wild 🐷 beast", testifies Henda Ayari ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GnnFy0uFe3E.html

@Duncan Hackett "Tariq Ramadan literally threw himself on me like a wild 🐷 beast", testifies Henda Ayari ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GnnFy0uFe3E.html

@@Cecilia-ky3uw "Tariq Ramadan literally threw himself on me like a wild 🐷 beast", testifies Henda Ayari ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GnnFy0uFe3E.html

Yes the Ottoman Empire, just like any empire is nothing to be proud of, or aspire to. We are meant to learn from history and not repeat it. The average man or woman is peaceful until they are Instigated by harm, but they have the restraint to deal with it in a humanitari way. Unless thay are corrupted by teachings such as religion which instructs them on how to deal with such situations which can twist their inate moral compass.

Im from Kosovo and I can confirm you are brainwashed and bringing forth a revised version of history meant to topple the Ottoman empire. Greeks speak Greek. Greeks are orthodox Christians. Greeks still have their own culture. Greeks have their own churches and schools. This was true for 1200y. Then Europe and liberalism came. Look at Greece now. What a shitstain on the planet. Im not sure whether im in frikkin Spain or Greece. Stop believing your brainwashed grandparents or white supremecists revisional historians. Read a frikkin book about facts and form your own opinions.

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Ειλικρινά έχω μείνει μαλακας, συγγνώμη για την έκφραση, με τη τοποθέτηση του τύπου. Ολόκληρα τα Βαλκάνια ματωσαν κατά την περίοδο της Τουρκοκρατίας και είναι εξοργιστικο όταν διάφοροι "ιστορικοί" προσπαθούν να πείσουν τον κόσμο ότι οι βαρβαρότητες των Οθωμανών δεν έγιναν ποτέ. Ευτυχώς ο Hitchens τον έβαλε στη θέση του. 👌

This isn't the case at all! If greeked really were treated as you describe, there wouldn't be any orthodox greeks left, isn't. The present proves his point. But offcourse as people always do, afterwards people who realy were not treated that bad for that time in history, start to invent their own history as they want to perceive it. This is mostly politicaly motivated.

Because he was slightly raising his voice it means he was threatening? I have seen many of Ramadan's lectures and that is just one of his traits of speaking. It is called passion for the field he works in. Nothing to do with 'threatening'. Kind of sad even that people like you try to poison people with hate while Ramadan has dedicated his life to do his best to create an understanding between people. It shows the contrast between people like you and mr Ramadan and who are the real hateful people

@@rememberpalestine-uyghurs-2918 hahaha cool story bro 😎

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@@rememberpalestine-uyghurs-2918 Why religion at all? What possible advantage is there in any religion? With religions I see nothing more than keeping people in line, somewhere, somehow. With Islam its mainly women.

@@toni4729 There's so much arrogance and ignorance in this comment. I can say so many things in response... First thing i want to say at this comment, who are you to ask people why they are religious or not? In the same way i can question you. "why atheism"? Mao and Stalin were atheists, and they were the ones who have massacred more people in their lifetime than many religious wars troughout the centuries combined. It's not up to atheists to question muslims about their beliefs, rather it is the contrary.

Exactly. This was a show debate, but I'm glad some people listened to it - having already listened to everything else that's online that he's ever done, I just couldn't.

@@shelleymartin1451 usa has the most cases of fathers killed by their children under the age 15 were these children's Muslims..??usa starved millions of children in iraq and Afghanistan soviet union and china killed +200million people the last century why arnt they called terrorrist??

trust me his entry speech couldn't be more wrong

and i don't even like Ramadan at all

@@gamersandotakus2839 forgive me if I don't "trust you".

Exactly. Their prophet was a pedophile and warmonger. And the scary thing is they think of him as THE PERFECT MAN.

Yes, those juicey details never get bought up.

Not forgetting his 4 pending rape charges, one upon a disabled girl. It's in his Wiki.

​@@truthhurts2879All Hitchens needed to do was quote some of the gems of verses contained in the Qur'an and this ramadan guy would be left utterly defenseless. He had the gall to state that it's the reader who is flawed not the book, what a clown.

Prophet Muhammad and his companions freed thousands of slaves, Aisha was documented a mature, menstruating woman, every battle or campaign was defensive in nature. Try again. Your anti-Islamic polemics and apologetics of Hitchens or Harris is laughably pathetic and astonishingly ignorant!

Yes that's immediately what I thought.. says false premise/ inappropriate description, then redefines question to suit his answer. It seems his whole schtick is "I have THE answer, your just asking the wrong question"

This is what they all do when they can’t defend the religion or the Quran, or they say if it isn’t in Arabic then it is t correct.

@@marcuslarwa9098 ever heard of “translation”? What kind of medieval are you living in?

@@turkicunion1996 I’m just pointing out what they always do when u being up versus of the Quran that make the religion look bad. They say if it isn’t in Arabic then it’s not correct.

So Yehoshua (Jesus) is supposed to be a prophet of Allah according to Islam ??? How does it work if Allah is not YHWH! In addition, it is the UNFORGIVABLE SIN in Islam to testify to YHWH as the 1 True God! But Yehoshua means "YHWH SAVES”” So Jesus is definitely not the prophet of Allah! Because he only confirm YHWH!

Tariq Ramadan accused of rape in Lyon: a fifth complaint added to the file The facts allegedly occurred in May 2014 at the Sofitel hotel in Lyon. While interviewing Tariq Ramadan in his suite, *the victim recounts having been pushed around and then raped several times by the Islamologist and one of his friends.* www.leprogres.fr/faits-divers-justice/2020/07/29/tariq-ramadan-accuse-de-viol-a-lyon-une-plainte-ajoutee-au-dossier

@John Martinez discover-the-truth.com/2013/09/14/bible-child-marriage-in-ancient-israelite-times-paedophilia/

I've listened to him speed x2. This guy said quite a lot of things...

@Vinnie P. Give him a chance mate, it's worth it.

@Vinnie P. I know. That's why i didn't want to listen to him in the first place. But then i gave him a chance and he's a very sophisticated guy and Hitchens' argument seems, all of a sudden, very shallow.

yes the Jewish Bible and the Talmud are like that and the Kabbalah says to just conform

The extremists doing things from their minds u can’t find it in quran or sunnah

@@a.a.7903 Quran: “And when the sacred months are passed, kill those who join other gods with God wherever ye shall find them; and seize them, besiege them, and lay wait for them with every kind of ambush.”

@@a.a.7903 Wrong they teach the book to the letter and some are abominable in every sense of the word. The example below is just one. Look as an atheist, if muslims got together and reformed the book it would do a lot of good the same as the Christians did with the old testament and new. I find them all absurd but it would be a good start. Some research shows the Muslim religion to actually be a giant lie since there are giant holes in the story made about the main character - by one man, 2 centuries after the main character died. For example he was written about some 2 centuries later and Mecca didn't exist when claimed. time points do not add up since many Mosques point to Petra completely redefining the entire tale with the location of the main character and his origins being in question.

@Non Mon (sigh) Yes...I knew this....but my point is it's not surprising how many fundamentalists take this verse quite literally not to mention the verse doesn't sound very peaceful no matter what the context is.

@Non Mon So...again (to my 1st point) if it were a religion of peace wouldn't the extremists be extremely peaceful?

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Yup.

it's common sense, survival, rational, and also a love gesture when you see an agitated child that invade your peace, you teach him to stop and focus for a while. that's what will happen to Islam at one point

Excellent argument! I'm going to remember this.

Spot on

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Like every muslim "scholar"

because the premise was false

Well said.

It's the standard response method when faced with points you cannot address, redirect, move the goal posts and make your position about something else, it's weak and shows you cannot argue your point.