is thirukkural copied from sanskrit literature ? suba veerapandian speech tamil news live 

Tamil VS Sanskrit Sir, "Thirukural of Thiruvalluvar is an ancient "Tamil Literary Book of Evidence". It belongs to around 100 BC. during the " Last Sangam Period", as per the scholars' opinion. Its "Greatness" lies in the "First Verse" itself. He has used "Two Words" 1) Aathi 2) Bhagavan in the first verse itself. Thus, he has put in place before all of us to discuss and decide " Is it Tamil or Sanskrit words?. Now, let us examine:- Both the words are used in many places in the 108 Upanishads of the Vedas. Ex. 1) Aathi Purusha, Aathi Deva, Aathi Narayana. Ex. 2) Bhagavan Aathithya, Sankaro Bhagavaan Aathi , Maheso Bhagavaan Aathi Deva. Now, the Upanishads explain the words "Aathi and Bhagavan" as under:- 1) "Ya Prathama Sa Aathi" means:- "What is First, That is Aathi". 2) " Aathmagnaanena Yoga Iswaryena Mahathi Maheeyathe Sa Bhagavan" means:- "An infinite number of blessed qualities like Self-Knowledge and Wealths naturally belonging to the One is said to be "Bhagavan". Now, the "root word" of Bhagavan in Sanskrit is "Bhaga". The word "Bhaga" takes many forms as per "Grammar Rules" as under as per the context:- 1)Bhaga 2) Bhago 3) Bhagava 4)Bhagavo 5)Bhagavath 6)Bhagavathe 7)Bhagavan 8)Bhagavaan 9)Bhagavantha 10) Bhagavantho 11)Bhagavantham. These different grammatical forms of the "root word"- Bhaga put together totally occur 110 times that too only in the First Ten" of the 108 Upanishads and the rest of the Upanishads if counted will go many more times. See, Swami Vivekananda said:- "Every word of Sanskrit can be easily derived from the Sanskrit roots. What right the western scholars had to trace the words to other sources,ignoring their direct "Sanskrit Etymology". "The most ancient Tamil grammer"Tholkaapiyam has a section about the changes that take place when Sanskrit letters are adopted and used in Tamil by being converted into any one of the Tamil letter sounds. The Dirgha, Guna,Vrddhi Sandhi rules in Sanskrit are adopted in Tamil",thus,said byThiru.A.ShanmugaMudaliar M.A. Rtd. Professor in Sanskrit Pachiappa's college,Madras in the book "SivaAgama and their relationship to Vedas" published in 1972 by Sri Kapaleeswarar Temple Madras. Now, on the basis of the verse No.28, 3rd Athikaaram of Thirukural, Thiruvalluvar has clearly understood the message of Tholkaapiyam that the Vedas and Sanskrit are the oldest records pre-existed than Tholkaapiyam. Hence, he has used the Sanskrit words "Aathi Bhagavan" in the very first verse itself of his Thirukural to show to the world that the Vedas and Sanskrit are the oldest records than any others. He himself confirms it by using the Tamil word "Eiraivan" in the 5th and 10th verses of the first Athikaaram itself to show to the world that Tamil is only "Next" to the Vedas and Sanskrit. This is his Clear Idea in Thirukural. Thank you. Please think it over calmly and dispassionately.

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Sir, His anti-commenters simply abuse not argue with fact and figures. Today's Tamil Nadu needs utmost many impartial, learned, multilingual, well-read literary and archeological research scholars like Dr.Nagaswamy.

Dasaratha (Dusratta) and Ram are Anatolian/ Mittani Kings (Syrian and Iranian ). Those Aryans migrated or their descendent migrated to various countries including India. Their oral history is Ramayan but written in devanagari in India during Guptas period (400AD). Sanskrit was a Anatolian oral language that was perfected in India. The Mittani Kings (SYRIAN) List ( Sumerians chronicling their Kings read history ) includes not only Rama and Bharata, but the names of other Hindu Puranic figures find a place in the Kings List. The Names found are Indra, Pururavas , Dasaratha, Parashurama, Satyavrata, Iksvahu, Kakusha, Janaka, Vasishta, Janamejaya, Dushyanta(Father of Bharata after whom India is named as Bharatavarsha), Rishis Gautama, Dundhu,, Muchukunda, Drupada, Harischandra, Sagara,Bhagiratha, Lava, Kusha(Rama’s sons), Aja and Raghu (Rama’s ancestors), Pundarika, Subandu and so on. These are names brought from Syria ..even today the names " Kannan, subhandu, Modhy(Modi?), Adwani (Lk?)..are common names in arabic world including Syria

SUbavee sir if you are reading this please reply , Chinese people say Chinese literature has had some influences from Tamil and also has influenced Tamil , they say Bogar was from china who wrote thier technology and science in tamil likewise , Sun tzu and Confucius wrote in couplet style similar to Thirukural in meter and moral , so is thirukkural inspired from Chinese literature ?? i think you are a tamil scholar please clarify .

Dmk has made tamil literature as anti sanskrit otherwise there is no difference between tamil and sanskrit

Tirukural is a very comprehensive work covering many topics on the art of living: domestic virtues, absence of killing, avoiding anger, curbing greed, administration, war, rain, friendship, veracity, enemies, detectives, country, ministry, love, and more. The thesis that Nagaswamy took to 'prove' that 'Tirukural is an abridgment of Sastras' is a bold attempt. He may have been motivated and goaded by the Hindutva movement. First, the author has not even picked enough couplets from Kural to analyze. His poor sampling of Kural is very insufficient as we have shown. Each maxim in Kural has a unique idea. We have shown even in the samples he studied, he has not interpreted Kural correctly. In order to find evidence from Tirukural that matches the idea explicitly conveyed in Sanskrit Sastras - Nagaswamy misrepresents the original sources; there is an instance that the original quoted source does not even exist. This is a clear lack of academic integrity. A careful reading of his work exposes so many ills of his scholarship; mixing up ideas; getting purposely entangled; for example, charity is different from hospitality. Valluvar has separate chapters for each of them. Lack of sufficient proof before conclusions. Some of the lapses are so flagrant that most schools will not accept the work even for a master’s dissertation. The book itself is poorly written but talked about more; seen in the publicity, award, and even the recognition that was given to the author. திருக்குறள், வாழும் கலையில் பல தலைப்புகளை உள்ளடக்கிய ஒரு விரிவான படைப்பாகும்' இல்லறம், கொல்லாமை, வெகுளாமை, அவா அறுத்தல், நிர்வாகம், போர், மழை, நட்பு, வாய்மை, பகை, ஒற்றாடல், நாடு, அமைச்சு, அன்பு எனப் பல அதிகாரங்களை கொண்டது. 'திருக்குறள் சாத்திரங்களின் சுருக்கம்' என்பதை 'நிரூபிக்க' நாகசாமி எடுத்த கருதுகோள் ஒரு துணிச்சலான முயற்சியே. அவர் இந்துத்துவா இயக்கத்தால் உந்துப்பட்டும் ஊக்கமும் பெற்றிருக்கலாம். முதலாவதாக, ஆசிரியர் குறளில் இருந்து பகுத்தாய்வதற்குப் போதுமான பாக்களைக்கூட எடுக்கவில்லை. 'குறள் சாத்திரங்களின் சாரமே' என்று நிறுவ எடுத்துக்கொண்ட பாக்கள் போதுமானதாக இல்லை. ஒவ்வொரு குறளும் தனியாக ஒரு கருத்தைச் சொல்லும். பல அரிய பாக்களை விட்டிவிட்டு, அந்த அதிகாரம் பற்றிய அவசரமான முடிவுக்கு வந்துவிடுகின்றார். அவர் எடுத்துக்கொண்ட மாதிரி பாக்களில்கூட அவர் குறளை சரியாக விளக்கவில்லை. சங்கத சாத்திரங்களில் வெளிப்படையாகக் கூறப்பட்ட கருத்துடன் ஒத்துப்போகும் திருக்குறளிலிருந்து ஆதாரங்களைக் கண்டறிய - நாகசுவாமி மூல ஆதாரங்களைக்கூட தவறாகக் குறிப்பிடுகிறார்; ஓரிடத்தில் மேற்கோள் காட்டப்பட்ட மூல ஆதாரம் கூட இல்லை. இது கல்வி நேர்மையின் தெளிவான பற்றாக்குறையாகும். அவருடைய படைப்பை கவனமாகப் படிப்பது அவருடைய புலமையின் பல போதாமைகளை அம்பலப்படுத்துகிறது; பொருளைக் குழப்புதல்; வேண்டுமென்றே சிக்கவைப்பவது; எடுத்துக்காட்டாக, ஈகை என்பது விருந்தோம்பலில் இருந்து வேறுபட்டது என்றுகூட அறியாமல் எழுதியிருக்கின்றார். முடிவுகளுக்குமுன் போதிய ஆதாரம் இல்லாதது பெரும் குறையாகும். பெரும்பாலான கல்லூரிகள் முதுகலை ஆய்வுக் கட்டுரையாக ஏற்கும் தகுதியற்றதாக உள்ளது. புத்தகமே மோசமாக எழுதப்பட்டுள்ளது ஆனால் அதிகம் பேசப்படுகிறது; விளம்பரம், விருது மற்றும் ஆசிரியருக்கு வழங்கப்பட்ட அங்கீகாரம் ஆகியவற்றில் பார்க்கின்றோம். ( கூகிளாரின் பெயர்ப்பைத் தழுவிய தமிழாக்கம்)

Why Sanskrit is not in brahmi script?

Its an absolute shame !! but all Tamil Brahmins have teamed up to change the Tamil narrative ! i recently watched a video on PGurus, where Shri Iyer interviewed Dr. Nagaswamy. Both of them were so off the mark and open about their intent to change the Tamil Narrative ! I am glad people such as Thiru. Suba Veerapandian are up against these bigots.

செய்யாதன செய்யோம் """" தீக்குறளைச் சென்றோதோம் """ வையத்து வாழ்வீர்காள் நாமும் நம் பாவைக்குச் செய்யும் கிரிசைகள் கேளீரோ பாற்கடலுள் பையத் துயின்ற பரமன் அடி பாடி நெய்யுண்ணோம் பாலுண்ணோம் நாட்காலை நீராடி மையிட்டு எழுதோம் மலரிட்டு நாம் முடியோம் செய்யாதன செய்யோம் """" தீக்குறளைச் சென்றோதோம் """ ஐயமும் பிச்சையும் ஆந்தனையும் கை காட்டி உய்யுமாறு எண்ணி உகந்தேலோர் எம்பாவாய்

தோமா இந்தியா வந்தார் வள்ளுவர் வீட்டு மாடியிலே குடியிருந்தார் இருவரும் சேர்ந்து மாடு சாப்பிட்டார்கள் அதனால் உடல் பருத்தால்கள் எனவே வாக்கிங் இருவரும் சேர்ந்து போனாரகள் அப்படியே மதுக்கடையில் நுழைந்தார்கள் குடித்தார்கள் இஸ்ரேலியர் போல மது உண்ணாமை பற்றி போதித்தார் தோமா மனந்திரும்பினார் மதம் மாறினார் மாஞ்சி மாஞ்சி பைபிள் படித்தார் மாஹா மேதையானார் மாத்ரு பாஷையில் பைபிளை மாற்றி எழுதுனார் அது தான் திரிக்குறள் அப்போது சுபவீரமணி அவர்கள் "நாஸ்தீகியா அல்லேலுயா" தைலத்தை தடவி மீசை வளரத்துக் கொண்டு இருந்தார் மனமுடையோர் பைபிளின் வடிநூல் திரிக்குறள்

According to Lamarkism if some one not use their brain and logical thinking for long time, then their brain become defunct like sanskrit proponents ! 1.. Sanskrit ia an anatolian rudimentary language brought to India by nomadic aryan then perfected.by heavily borrowing from Dravidian and Pali and PRAKRIT. All these borrowed words are plagiarism . sanskritists stole from all.languages but dishonestly claim other languages borrowed from sanskrit. Shame! 2. Do not have a script because it was a oral primitive language .."san script" means no script.. in tamil "Eluthakilavi" means no script. 3. Borrowed dravidian Nagars script called Nagari and changed name as deva-nagari..deva in persian ( original Aryan) language means demons or devils ..sanskrit devils script or devils language! 4. Also 2300 years ago, all Ashoka's inscriptions were in greek and pali no sanskrit indicating no sanskrit language then whereas tamil inscription carbon dated in Keeladi is 2600s old and in Adichanallur 2900yrs old. 5.only perfected and borrowed the script Nagari darvidian during GUPTAS period in 400AD. THEY CHANGED NAME AS DEVANAGARI.. 6. Most sanskrit texts are either translated or plagiarised from dravidian or Buddhist or Jains..7. SANSKRIT is gender and race or caste discriminatory..that is women cannot learn or read or write in sanskrit so also nonbrahmins. So all other indians used their mother tongue dravidian tamil or proto darvidian! there was no women writer or authors on sanskrit whereas there were more than 47 tamil women authors even before sanskrit borrowed developed its script..8. Sanskrit is the youngest Indo-European language ans many vedic and ouranic names were found in Anatolia and the invading aryans brought their Proto sanskrit from Anatolia. 9. Is Sanskrit compulsory in NASA for AI (Artificial Intelligence) research? Robert Frost, Instructor an Flight Controller at NASA Answered Dec 4, 2014: No, that's another internet hoax/urban legend traceable back to a single paper written in 1985 by an indian!

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Dubakoor Munnetra Kazhagam!!!

Subbavu sir,when will you study Kuran or Bible and comment about the scripts.are you afraid to comment on them or it may be due to your leaning towards other religion other than Hinduism.

There is enough evidence quoting The Hindu now, Parimelalagar, Joseph Beschi (popularly called Veeramamunivar), Ellis, G.U. Pope and U.V. Swaminatha Iyer, he recalled that they had all said “in no equivocal terms that Tirukkural has roots in Vedas.” Apart from stating, in his work “Tiruvalluvar Nayanar” (1886), that Tirukkural followed Bhagavad Gita, Pope mentioned that Tiruvalluvar used Chandogya Upanashid - ‘Tat Tvam Asi.’ By tracing the links of Tirukkural to Manu Dharma Sastra more than 50 times, he had even held the view that many verses of Tirukkural were verbatim translations of the Sastra.

சமணம் அறியாமல் வைதீகத்தை அழிக்க முடியாது...

Tamil VS Sanskrit Sir, Sri Devaneya Pavanar has said, the word "Bhagavan" in Thirukural is Tamil word,coined from the word "Bhagalavan". Then, why did Thiruvalluvar not use the word "Bhagalavan" in his first verse?. Was he ignorant of the Tamil Word?.How can Pavanar prove it?. So it is very clear that Thiruvalluvar has not used the "Cut and Paste Method" of the Tamil Word " Bhagalavan" ="Bhaga/ la/van="Bhagavan". Hence, it is all Pavanar's mere "Ambiguous Guess-Work", without any proof. But, Thiruvalluvar was very clear-cut in using the word "Aathi Bhagavan" directly traceable from the Sanskrit Etymology in his first verse itself to show to the world that the Sanskrit is the Oldest and the Origin of all the languages of the world. Then only, he has used Tamil Word "Eraivan" in his subsequent verses to show to the world that Tamil is next to Sanskrit. Please, think it over calmly and dispassionately. Thank you.

Tamil poets of various parts minkled at one place to discuss(sang am).whether any sangam for Sanskrit?

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My purpose in curating this relatively tiny list of Hindu adventures and accomplishments in science, is to call attention to the trillions in science, technology and commerce, that we yield to the West and others by being brain washed into isolation and despair by talented, flea brains like Subaveerapandiyan and his comical band of liars and haters.

Not only Nagaswamy, if you follow Rajiv Malhotra, these guys have tons of resources to rewrite history, they are out to prove Sanskrit, India - land of vedas & Hindu rashtra. Sanskrit doesn't have archaeological evidence nor proof that it was spoken widely, having studied Sanskrit myself - I do not have anything against the language but yes it's grave to say it's older than Tamil. The current central government is investing heavily to rewrite history, hence out to corrupt every institution, look at current heads of institutions in Tamilnadu, they are from a particular community. Our respected National Security advisor Ajit Doval says "Nation building process is exothermic process", what does that mean ? Basically one language, one culture,one religion and one fake history. Look at all the projects from ISRO, DRDO, HAL - they all have Sanskrit names - Mangalyaan, Prithvi, Tejas, Bhramos(Mos stands for Moscow),Agni & many and also look at the project names of central government - Congress or BJP, all Sanskrit names - Swatch Bharat, Janani Yojana, Pradhan Mantri & many. Think about it - they have made Ram Mandir and Sabarimala a national issue but our history in Keezadi is being covered up by this government :-( No one to take this issue up. And, this central government moved all the artefacts to Bangalore, knowing we have issues with Karnataka. We have been preached that Pakistan and China is our enemy and made us watch our own brothers & sisters slaughtered in Eelam. We have to ask ourselves lot of questions & no point in being violent. Dravidian parties never did anything to address this in the bud.The only question we have ask Suba Veerapandian is what did his political party do to address this in last 40 years ? Your current political party leader cannot even talk without looking into notes. Sisters & Brothers, We have been addicted to movies, movie stars & alcohol. Solution - study hard, educate your kids & help our Tamil community.

Thiruvalluvar thaan Virgin Mary ah fuck panni Jesus poranthaar. ok va?

If Tamil originated from Sanskrit; all the north Indian could understand Tamil? Why they cant .I can form infinite no.of Tamil sentenceswithout using Sanskrit words

Dmk is thirudargal munnetra kazhagam.... Sunaa panaa suba vee oru periya thirudan ... வள்ளுவர் கோட்டத்தை நன்றாக இறுந்த ஏரி மேல் கட்டி, அதிலும் கமிசன் அடித்து, அருகிலேயே சாராய கடையும் (வள்ளுவர் கள் உன்னாதே என்கிறாற்) திறந்து, அந்த மது உற்பத்தி செய்து, ஏழை மக்களை மீளா துன்பத்தில் ஆழ்த்தி, மது ஆலைகளுக்கும் முதலாளிகள் ஆகி, அதே அப்பாவி மக்கட்கு நன்மை செய்வதாக கூறி ஏமாற்றி, பதவி அடைந்து, கொள்ளை அடிக்கும் திருடர்கள் முன்னேற்ற கழகம் தான் திமுக......

AMAZING TO SEE SUCH EDUCATED ILLITERATES. ACCORDING TO ASI GOI THE EARLEST WRITING IN NORTH INDIA WAS IN 300BC ASHOKA PILLARS BUT IN PALI AND GREEK NOT SANSKRIT. The earliest recorded Sanskrit inscriptions are from 100BCE to 100CE.Ayodhya Inscription of Dhana, and Hathibada Ghosundi Inscriptions (both near Chittorgarh). THEY WERE ONLY 2LINES EACH. TAMIL WRITING WERE CARBON DATED AS OLD AS 900BC AND RECENT KEELADI 650 BC . THIRUKURAL WAS WRITTEN IN 100BC WHEN SANSKRIT WAS ONLY AN ORAL LANGUAGE NO SCRIPT ( ELUTHAKILAVI). SO THERE WAS NO SANSKRIT TEXT UNTIL 400AD THE GUPTA PERIOD. DONT TALK NONSENSE ABOUT THIRUKURAL AND EXPOSE YOUR STUPIDITY .