Is This NEW Mod Cheating In Geometry Dash? (Geometry Dash Controversy) 

If platformer saving is cheating, then leaving your computer on overnight is just as bad. The only thing the mod opens up is being able to access the rest of the game.

As someone who has beaten 171 out of the current 173 platformer demons rated currently, I think that this is fine. In no way does this change raw difficulty of the level and if you want to play from where you left off on mobile leave your device on.

i dont care if this mod makes a lot of platformer levels easier, we should prioritize the fun factor

Bro how to platformer gonna be an easy demon with this 💀 Edit: guys its a joke why are you making a war over this in the replies 😭😭😭😭😭

We do need 2 totally separate saves such as Checkpoint and Save point. Checkpoint Basically non-savable saves while save point is another checkpoint but can be saved at exit and reload levels (unless you delete cache, it will be gone forever)

Why is it whenever it's another day in the geometry dash community, someone has to make a controversial mod 😭

1:10 perfect gameplay sync with the music🔥

It's literally the same thing as if I just paused the game and left it open on that level. Except now instead of having two executables open so I can do that while playing other levels. I can just do it with one executable since it's saved. No one would call me a cheater for leaving the game open, even though it's effectively the same.

people saying that it's cheating should seriously touch grass

All levels? Nah. This should be a feature creators can either turn on or off in their level in order to be legit

if rob adds this into the game, i REALLY hope that it's going to be a seperate checkpoint object/toggleable option so the existing top platformers' difficulty doesn't get nuked and creators have more control over the difficulty of their level in general. the damage wouldn't be too big otherwise since there aren't that many and the trend seems to be going towards extremely hard and medium-length levels for new extremes anyways (22 trials of pain, cave of the scarlet sky), but it would still be wise.

if it was optional it would be fine, i know robtop would make it optional for creators. the issue comes from levels like htp where the whole point is that its long and takes alot of time to beat it.

1:00 yes and there are THREE LONGER Platformers coming in future 1. How To Platformer Sequel (5000 Rooms) around 2-3 Times longer 2. Dead of Night (Masterpiece) Definetly harder but shorter 3. FPT (DEATHLESS) around 3h but could be speedrunned under 3h longest counting every death is most likely H2P sequel but longest speedrunned deathless is Definetly FPT (ist also most likely hardest, at least with DON)

maybe you could just make it an option for levels to fix everything

Bro saying that this is cheating makes no sense... 😵‍💫 If you have a powerful enough PC you can just let GD in pause, hide the window, and play smth else. I think a fair solution should be that creators can place save-checkpoints on which you can leave then come back and sub-checkpoints that are deleted when you leave the level. People who say that very long level will be easy but no, they are still very difficult and VERY long, in short I think that boredom shouldn't be equal to difficulty.

CBF is one thing, but anyone acting like this is some sort of revolutionary hack is wilding, it basically just removes the tediousness of long platformer levels like "how to platformer"

a leaderboard mod does not approve this platformer saves mod bruh but robtop said he will add platformer saves in 2.07 update

This 100% needs to be added to the game (I don’t have 6 hours to try to beat the Abyss or something near that difficulty), but at the moment this mod is 100% cheating. Platformers at the moment just reward people leaving their computer on while taking breaks or people with way too much free time. I personally think all checkpoints should work like this, but possibly just making it a toggle switched on by default or making specific checkpoints able to be saved on would work better.

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I bet wavix loves when a new controversy happens so he can save up for his yacht

hey wavix there's this new-ish mod out called "click on steps" that works essentially the same as CBF except it's capped at 240hz. i think it would be a great topic to cover and bring some attention to.

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Tbh saving across multiple playthroughs is pretty standard across many games and should be in GD, and it isn’t cheating, as you aren’t making any parts easier, you are just starting from where you left off last time

I think this is a good idea as long as when you leave you will respawn at a checkpoint that the creater put. I think this is nessesary simply so top 1s/extremes still have the option for no checkpoints

tbh this might be a good thing for the game. Currently the only reasons people hate this is because it's a mod and even though robtop has said he's adding the exact same thing people will hate this until it's added to the game in a worse way. thats just how the community is. I personally think this will allow people to put more hard stuff in platformer mode, pushing the skill ceiling further. It's only issue right now is that because it's new, old platformer levels will become easier to handle, because when those levels were created this wasnt a feature. This really doesn't make the game easier in any way as we could already just afk in platformer levels, all it does is make it more accessible and acceptable to take breaks.

It should be similar to ldm an option to turn it on if you want it. Or maybe a trigger to put in a level to activate it before you play the level.

What I don't get is that people don't seem to be bothered at all by how much top platformer demons will be impacted. Like all previous top platformer achievements (Including my Jetpack Trials completion) will be pretty much completely irrelevant due to there no longer being a time constraint (you can keep your device on overnight and such to keep playing but it's very bothersome). Like bro pls Jetpack Trials boutta be more third extreme demon platformer that gets demoted to insane if this feature drops. 😭😭😭

For now kinda. Depends on the level. Like if your playing a level thats meant to be played in one go then yes but just for a avarage level no. Hope when the feature is added we can make checkpoints for saving before leaving and not just save at any moment. Of course it should be diffrent than the normal checkpoint.

this is almost exactly the same thing as pausing the level and opening a new instance of gd to play other stuff on the only difference is you can turn off your pc and less pc resources are consumed by that instance of gd thats paused on the level.

how does it affect the difficulty of platformer levels in any way? doing the same thing was still possible before if you left your pc on and stayed in the same level, if anything this just removes the need to keep ur pc on overnight

Robtop's version should make it so you can put a save point in the level, not that you can just sace whenever.

The main reason that this mod is cheating imo is that you have the ability to start a platformer level, play as many other levels as you want, and then return to the same platformer level. This does not at all mirror the scenario of leaving your computer on one platformer level overnight since this mod removes a lot of the mental torture that can come from being forced to play the level until you finish it (while I don’t feel like this is how platformer levels should achieve their difficulty, this is still how many of them do so, and removing this mental torture is just nerfing the level/cheating) since you can play as many other levels as you want in between sessions on one particular platformer level. I would see the mod as legitimate if it only saved your checkpoint in a platformer level *as long as* you do not enter any other levels in the game (idk if this is possible to implement or not). Doing this would still have safety from game crashes and would be an alternative for people who can’t leave their computer on for hours, but would still force you to play one level until it is done.

I think that the creator could put some special checkpoint that save the level instead of just respawning at the place you where beafore, so They could decide depending on the level. That is just an idea

How do you use it anyway? I cant save , i always need to start a new game.

It's dumb that this is not in the vanilla game

no gameplay or visual change also literally exist in vanilla called the pause button its slightly different but people still do that all the time

Why tf did i think it was a ddogd video the moment i saw the thumbnail😭. I got so confused at the beginning

I think that not being able to save in platformer levels is more artificial difficulty because you may be able to beat the level just can't because of time constraints

unless its added into gd officially, yes this is absolutely cheating. It removes most of the difficulty for almost every long platformer ever. If you don't want to spend so long on a platformer that is long itself, practice it.

I would definitely play platformers more with this addition because I find it hard to do it all in one sitting

i had some levels that i wanted to play so badly, but haven't had time to play them so i am really thankfull for this mod

I actually was playing how to platformer over the span of two days and made it all the way to level 1980. You know what I did? Fat fingered the exit key and had to restart the whole level. I’ve been too crushed to go for it again and a mod like this would be such a luxury.

the thing is, if you want something like this in the vanilla game, just leave your game open, but if you are on an os that needs to frequently restart (windows, ubuntu, etc) you cant really do that, so i think this mod simply levels the playing field in that area

Personally I think this is a good implementation for the game. It would make much more fun playing through platformers becuse u dont have to start from the beginning every single time, if I want to go straight into a section of a level to play it cuz I like it or its fun theres nothing wrong with that, and it can be great for practicing levels too. However I do think that completing a level like that should not count as regular completion, not even from the first checkpoint. Completing a level means beating it in its entirety, 100%, from start to finish without quitting out; you can pause however much and as many times as you want, but not quitting out. Thats always been an important part of the satisfactory and engaging elements of the game, why players have kept pushing themselves harder and higher as time goes on. Taking this challenge away from platformers for regular completion (which also means getting their stars and orbs) I dont think thats a good idea Roptop could implement a different progression bar, maybe by sections when using this feature maybe even different level leaderboards with completions using this feature, even if used just once, even showing how much percentage and/or sections you did consecutively without quitting out. That would be a really cool feature, but definitely should be separated from completions without it, not count as normal mode completions but rather a new “segmented progress” category and if you want to get the level’s stars and orbs, a normal completion should be required (tho I can see that last point being debatable and I wouldnt be against being able to obtain the orbs or maybe even diamonds with that segmented progress and/or completion, since those things are what allow you to get more icons many of which are pretty expensive)

I think creators should be able to decide qhether you can do this with their levels

having to do a platformer level in one sitting is artificial difficulty and absolutely should not be factored into the difficulty of a platformer level. What should be factored is how hard the individual checkpoints are, especially the hardest checkpoints. The only real problem with the mod right now is that the timer doesn't work with it, so it would screw leaderboards if you beat the level with the mod. If you think taking a break is cheating, I don't know what to say...

I feel like this doesn’t really change much. You can already just pause and come back to the level while keeping your computer on. Unless I’m mistaken, all it really does is allow you use your computer in other ways during that time. Maybe I’m wrong though

What is that 1st lvl?

I feel like when robtop adds this it should be something you need to enable in the editor so levels like how to platformer aren’t free

In terms of the core playerbase saving at checkpointd is a massive positive overall. It does affect top 1s but they will simply adapt with less of them and at the end they are what 0.001% of the playerbase? Im all for it for the fun factor instead of redoing

If robtop is gonna add this, i hope it will only in practice mode

This mod just makes it like a certain game where you can save and exit and it would pick up where it left off last time you played it. I honestly don't see anything wrong with that!

My only concern is savescumming but that doesn't seem to be possible with the mod, so yeah I think it's totally allowable. Peoples arguments against it other than not being endorsed (just like the 100 megahack features that player probably also uses) usually just boil down to "it makes How To Platformer easy" and I have a problem with that argument. First off, how to platformer is still difficult, it still has tons of hard rooms near the end, just with some easier ones at the start to bloat it to the milestone room count. Second, if being able to return to a level later makes a level easier thats a problem with the level, not with saving. I doubt it's a controversial opinion to say that how to platformer is not a good example of "good level design", there is a reason it's not extreme demon anymore and that it's only star rated.

Tried to beat how to platformer for the first time--> left game over night at 1800+ --> was near impossible to complete not due to skill issue but rather a technical one that somehow my normal fps of 240 was a fluctuation mess of 35-50 that made precision jumps impossible with 0 to 28ms of input lag. Failed 1 room for 15 minutes and wanted to see a simple macro can get through it and it couldn't Most mad I ever been in a platformer level. Being able to restart the game to get my fps back or any other reason I couldn't complete it in 1 sitting for sure will be nice If I had CBF or checkpoint saving I wouldn't care about these technical issues. The fact it happened and FORCED to restart is just disgusting

When this gets added to the main game, I would consider it cheating if robtop added an option to disable to for creators and if it disabled for that level.

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this needs to be added to the actual game as it would expand platformer mode immensely, though it should be up to the creator to decide if the level is supposed to be completed all in one go!

As long as RobTop isn't opposed to it, I don't see how this is a problem. And if RobTop is planning to add it himself in the future, then having some people have sort of early access to this is just kinda whatever to me.

I don’t agree with the idea that “we are used to starting over”. I’ve beaten really hard levels in classic mode and a nice part of classic is that you can go play for just 10 min, you can just play however long you like. You never put away your schedule for 5-10 hours. Still I’d say platformer mode is quite a bit easier in general than classic mode for all difficulty levels(non-demons all the way to extreme demons).

the problem lies in that people are using way too many checkpoints in their levels and making them too long. theres a reason why mario maker only lets you have two checkpoints, it is simply better

1. How does this mod affect the game? ~ An analogy I can think of off the top of my head is the new DOOM games and the Ultra Nightmare difficulty (hardest difficulty + no deaths or save gets deleted, maybe extra life mode from Eternal is a better comparison). If we say that the way GD currently works is like Ultra Nightmare, then the checkpoint to savepoint mod is removing the hardest part of the challenge, the "no death" (or in this case, no leaving the level) and making the difficulty go down to Nightmare. Sure, the actual difficulty of the level hasn't changed, but the added nerves from the "no death" (no exiting the level) makes it feel much more difficult. 2. Is this cheating? ~ Yes. 3. My thoughts? ~ I won't use this mod. I think it present far too much of an unfair advantage that the entire community is unable to use. I feel the same way about CBF.

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I wouldn't use it myself as I don't use mods (i like vanilla game) However, I don't think it's cheating. If anything, it can be a lifesaver. There have been many times where I pause a platformer but then absent mindedly exit the level and had to start all over again

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the sad thing about this is that its the exact same. stay afk all night or don’t. No difference whatsoever, it’s kind of opinionated but people’s game crash a lot, might be useful for them

NO WAY BRO'S CLICK PATTERN IS THE EXACT SAME AS MINE EVERYWHERE

This is just straight cheating. If someone spends 8 hours straight to beat a level and then this mod comes along and now people can beat the same level but can take their time on it. No stress involved and no patience involved. I think when robtop says he'll add a save progress option, it is an option to add it to your level. It is up to the creator to add it

Ok imma be the one to say it. Save points being added doesn’t affect the difficulty in any way at all. Like what? It changes the gameplay in 0 ways and anyone thinking “aw man that was a terrible experience since I couldn’t leave” does not make the level hard. If a player does it in one day or two days doesn’t matter since they played the same amount of time. Also the player can just leave the game on, is leaving a game on over night difficult? oH iTs NoT aS iMpReSsIvE iF yOu ToOk A bReAK. Anyway difficulty should not come from length. If you want your long level to be hard just make it difficult. Use more skill not more of your freetime.

I don't think it's cheating because robtop was planning to add this feature in the future, but I also understand why people think it would be cheating because of levels like how to platformer.

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Robtop will not add platformer save for any checkpoint, he will add different checkpoints that them will save

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i mean, robtop will be adding the same feature, so maybe not?

nah it would be the same as a quicksave right?

Can't wait for the Guwude controversy

Holy i just realized that zoink verified half of the top 10 (aka Tidal Wave, Acheron, Avernus, Tunnel of Despair and Kokmok). My man's totally a bot

It's not cheating, mfs who spend hours on a singular level and get mad that a simple game mechanic is added is beyond me. Now for speed runs or whatever, it's simple just don't allow it, like how minecraft speed runners do it. Also, some people act like the entire community cares about difficultly.

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Honestly, I don't think that mod is cheating, since most platformers are long enough for people having to beat them in like 4 useful days. I work day and night and had to keep my PC on just to beat How To Platformer in 3 days playing a little bit per day, which is annoying asf. Insane and extreme platformer demons are way funnier with a mod like this in my opinion, because you can actually play the levels and do your chores when you need to. Not everyone in the game is a streamer or a kid who either does play games the entire day or don't need to worry about external things. This mod makes it fair for everyone imo.

i got so jumpscared by the BBYE

so people want top 1s to be endurance tests over the course of multiple days instead of actually interesting and difficult levels?

It’s not cheating because you can do the exact same thing by leaving your pc on, this just makes it less of a pain in the ass

according to robtop, only levels that allow save on exit should have this feature, and not any level in the game, so yes its cheating

If RobTop directly approves of it/adds it to the game, then it should be allowed. Whenever game devs approve of something (consensually of course), it shouldn't be a problem.

weve come so far as a game that not playing is seen as cheating. god bless it

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it is obvious actually. the creator of the level should have the option to save the game when leaving. consider the roblox obby community, specifically jtoh, or juke's towers of hell, where it's 10 floors of hard roblox obbies, if you could leave halfway through, that defeats the whole purpose of when you fall.

I honestly think it should be used, but only in practice mode, i think that using it in normal mode to beat levels is really cheating. But using it to practice the level in practice mod should be insane.

No full stop

I first thought it was cheating but it's not really, you already beat part of the level and you can just beat the rest later instead of beating it all over again.

imo its legit but if its ruled as hacked on any lists/gddps its understandable idk

I disagree that this is more cheating than CBF because, the mod does something achievable in the game by simply letting the level opened while CBF isn’t something you can do vanilla.

GD mod makers try not to make a controversial mod every day challenge: Impossible

Its 100% cheating, part of the difficulty of the abyss, how to platformer and the tower xxii is the lenght of the level. If this isn't cheating, pause buffering isn't cheating as well

Imo you can use it to practice but not for completions

If Robtop was going to add it then it isn't cheating

Exactly well explained, it is cheating but at the end of the day it doesn't matter if you don't care about top plays or leaderboards but and as long as you said that you used this mod that's fine because it is an advantage.

i think the only reason it is cheating is because of the fact that its not accessible to all players

For those who think this is cheating, would you say top celeste and iwbtg players, where in those games you can save your progress in every checkpoint, are cheaters?