Is This The Best Modern Doctor Who Cyberman Story? 

6:05 Chibnall's early cameo in the show 🤣🤣

@@thelordsoftime7025 I was thinking exactly the same thing :)

I sentence the to death

Best closer in 2020 - sound and line - not in that order. "...whilst screaming...hunger..." oh boy.

EXTERMINATE

I'm such a foool How did i not realise 🤣

I’m so mad I did not put two and two together

OH. MY. GOD

HOLY HECK! XD

i grew up on the harry potter movies and doctor who but i only realized david tennant (favorite actor on the entire planet) was in the 4th movie a couple years ago

Yeah the cybermen are more of a concept or phenomenon than a species. They can show up anywhere as long as there's the need or want to remove all mortal weaknesses and emotions

I’d argue the Daleks are, in their own way, the Kaled’s cybermen

Was just checking to see if anyoneelse had said this, when it came up, I went to check as I would also seek a voluntary upgrade. No controlling earpieces or even any need for an emotional inhibitor. I am compatible! 🤖

He also didn’t get the standard body. His was a special unit specifically for him so it makes sense he would work differently.

I think it’s also inferred Lumic/CyberController has less emotional inhibition, he seems to get frustrated in the debate with the Doctor. Heck even the fact he can have a debate seems to set him apart, all other Cybermen in those episodes take orders or give orders to humans, not autonomy whatsoever. So perhaps he never had the inhibitor installed?

Ah yes, Lumis, my favourite character.

To be fair, he wanted to postpone his conversion for as long as possible. I distinctly remember that after his life-support is destroyed, the Cybermen decide to give him an emergency upgrade, with him complaining "No! Not until my last breath!", to which they respond "You are not breathing".

classic

I personally prefer "Excellent".

@@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475 Each to their own. 'Excellent' is good but it is a strangely emotional catchphrase for the Cybermen.

Makes them sound more like wanabee Daleks.🤷‍♂️

@@minicle426no it doesn’t lol

My only complaint with Delete was when they chanted it. Other than that I’m cool with it.

Yeah, Chibnall kill the show.

@@mayotango1317 Moffat also felt a lot different so idk lol

@@beesree39 Exactly Chibnall is awful but that doesn’t make Moffat good all of a sudden. I still can’t rewatch half of his later rubbish, it’s writing was so up its own backside.

@@erikalieben5476 What are you talking about? Moffat was better than RTD.

@@elosant2061 No he wasn't. After S6 his era was a mess

I agree, but I do think the Moffat era Cybermen had their strong points. From the first appearance of the ones that shared the Cybus design, Moffat differentiated them by showing the differences in the upgrade process, making the mechanical body more of a shell/suit and less of a machine with a human brain and some trips of shredded flesh. As for the post Nightmare in Silver incarnations, most of their upgraded abilities are reasonable for a race trying to adapt and incorporate other life forms, which in their mind are being saved. I'd argue most of the abilities they receive are fine, aide from being able to incorporate the dead. Since that could be attributed to them having access to Timelord technology, thanks to Missy. Hell, I'd even keep their ability to adapt to weaknesses on the fly, only much more slowly than they were able to do so in NiS, as that can be attributed to them using the Doctor's brain, which is a much more powerful processor. NiS version of the Cyberiad also have an interesting concept that never really gets explored, which is the relatioship between the cyber planner and the units. You could argue that the more active units at any one time, the less powerful each unit would be, depending on the strength of their processor, as it would be spread thinner, like a wifi network with more and more users creating more traffic. This is honestly something I consider an interesting way to balance these Cybermen to keep them from becoming overpowered enemies that always require some Deus-ex Machina to defeat. At least, that's what occured to me when the Cyberplanner essentially deactivated millions of Cybermen, using the additional processing power to try and figure out the Doctor's plan over a chess problem. On the other hand, fewer active units could allow them to adapt to weaknesses quicker and use that burst of speed the Cyberman displayed when first revealing itself in the episode.

Especially with all that neuralink stuff

Ratings, the same reason they ruined the simm and cyber-men reveals of late series 10.

Perhaps just to sustain the anticipation of what they look like. This is the first time we see the Cybermen since the show was cancelled back in '89, so knowing that they are returning, whilst hiding their initial appearance is a great way to build suspense.

Same reason they called an episode "Dalek": to make people watch it.

Jedi Spartan 38 the cybus design is sooo brilliant and powerful looking

@@obiwankenobi687 yeah, although I do wish the parallel world had more of an emphasis on cybernetics as a whole (similar to how both Spare Parts and World Enough and Time incorporated Cybermen designs into the story even for non Cybermen characters by having the chest boxes act as medical equipment) and there are times when I feel lukewarm on the design... mainly whenever I remember it generated the version seen in Torchwood Cyberwoman.

I feel like Rise of the Cybermen was more dedicated to....well....the Cybermen

Phil Henderson yeah but I for one find the mondasian cybermen to be haunting, they've got the sweet spot between humanity and technology to be truly mysterious, too technological and they're essentially just robots with a couple of human attributes

Completely agree. This is my opinion but not only was that the best modern cybermen story but the best doctor who story. The doctors speech against the master, knowing how these original mondasian cybermen were created... just epic

no, that may have been the best Master story. it was the first multiple Master episodes and John Simm steals every scene he's in.

I agree, my second favourite is between this one and the much maligned but IMO actually pretty great The Next Doctor. While the Cybershades looked a bit silly and we had the Cybermen defeated by the power of human emotion again (seriously an overused trope in the revived series), I thought there were so many strong aspects to this story. The Cybermen were plotting schemers rather than mindless drones (and the imagery of them emerging from the mist in the graveyard was fantastic), David Morrisey was fantastic and the story itself had both swashbuckling fun and actually pretty dark moments which were handled really well. Easily the best Christmas special IMO.

I think WOAT/TDF is better written, but ROTC/AOS is far more entertaining on a vastly superior level.

@@hpwizardboi6516 the problem with the doctor falls is that it just becomes a master story as opposed to being a proper cyberman story.

What about the Series 10 finale... pain...pain...pain..

@@mayotango1317 definitely creepy! a different kind of scary I suppose cos I wasn't scared of "pain" guy chasing me in my nightmares D;

Jdg 98 I think that'd have more to do with age than anything,(obviously idk how old you are but) I remember being terrified of weeping angels as a kid but when I rewatch those episodes it's not really scary at all for me, I feel like if they turned up again I wouldn't be very scared

@@isaacwright8211 you know what's weird is that as a kid watching the Davies era (I'm 22 today woop) I was always fine with stuff like the weeping angels (barring a few jump scares) and the empty child -- but I was terrified of, like, the ood and the human dalek. So high concept horror villains did nothing for me but squishy tentacles had me in tears

Certainly more of a finale than some seasons have had *cough* Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos *cough*

@@JOCoStudio1 - yeah, exactly. A lesser season would have this two-parter be a Regeneration Finale! RTD knew what he was doing.

I'm assuming it's parallel world Jackie you're referring to with the "reoccurring character death"?

@@darrensmith8730 - yeah, Parallel Jackie.

You'd really have to look hard to see that, I couldn't see it on a moderate 24" screen.

@@richshealer3755 Get a 25" screen and you'll never un-see it

@@BradTheThird I can see it on my phones ~7 inch screen but I didn't notice it when watching the episode originally, and I probably wouldn't have noticed it unless it was pointed out. I would just see a human figure and figure either it's an illusion and I'm really just seeing some of the background objects or it's just another character or extra or something. Because everyone is in modern day clothing it isn't as egregious as that one movie that had a dude in shorts and a T-shirt holding a styrofoam cup in the background of a movie set in like the 1800s or whatever

@@richardmillhousenixon referencing Sharpe by any chance?

I find it overated myself.

i was around the same age if not a bit younger and i was scared for WEEKS!! i was scared to shower because i thought the shower head would turn into a cyber converter thing 💀

Harper was a production assistant on Seeds of Doom and Warriors' Gate, before directing Caves of Androzani and Revelation of the Daleks. Pretty impressive if you ask me

Like, 50% of Torchwood is sooo good even tho the other 50% is absolute garbage. I love it either way.

He also plays Trigger in Only Fools and Horses and Barty Crouch in HP and the Goblet of Fire

harys_john “alright Dave”

I actually thought they were pretty evenly split.