Please take a second to Like & Subscribe if you enjoyed the video. It makes a huge difference to the growth of this channel. THINGS WE MISSED: 1. Many alt milks like oat don't scorch as easily as full fat dairy milk and even dairy milks vary from brand to brand in terms of how easily and thick they scorch. 2. We tried cleaning with the little brush that comes in the box and it just too long and didn't particularly do the best job, so we switched to the soft cloth. 2. Yes, we tried running it with water and dish soap but it still didn’t get the crust out.
I've found there's hardly any scorching if you stop it at the first OK at 55C. Rinsing it out, adding some cold water and leaving it for a few minutes helps too. It's a little inconvenient but no worse than using a steam wand or using a jug in the microwave, they both need cleaning right away.
Here's a tip from my use every after use pour some tap water into it so the excess heat from the bottom doesn't immediately scorch the milk scum. for clean up just put dish soap and scrub the inside with a long arm brush for cleaning bottles. Then if you have a kitchen sink sprayer even better cuz all you have to do is flip the pitcher over and rinse it upside down similar to a bottle or cup rinser in a cafe, this avoids getting water all over the foamer and the bottom electronics. Hope this helps anyone who has it.
I’ve had mine for for 3 weeks. I have cafe bar quality drinks at home now. It’s a great machine. I can’t make art but the texture is just exceptional. I use flair 58 and this nanofoamer. I was contemplating getting a dual boiler machine but I’m so happy with the quality of my drinks that I’m going to be good for a few years or as long as this combo last. Good job!
Another top shelf review from Aramse 🤩 Thorough and well scripted, with great filming and editing, and just plain great! I love how your subscriber count increases with every video. Hoffman, Hedrick, and Aramse is all we need!
I'm part of the flair 58 club. I was so close to buying a 2nd hand breville or gaggia just to have the steam wand. Then I found this. And so glad I did. Just pre ordered mine and I can't wait for it to get here. Also. My idea for milk scum. Maybe once you pour out ur milk into a pitcher would immediately dumping in some water help reduce that? That way there isn't a thin layer of milk on the bottom being burnt?
I don't have any trouble getting the scum built up from 2% milk even after 4 back-to-back drinks with just a quick rinse in between (using the included brush and gently wiping inward from the jug's walls). The manufacturer actually recommends putting cold water in the pitcher if you aren't cleaning it immediately after a session. According to them, the scum will just magically come off, but that doesn't happen in the universe I live in. However, I think the scum build-up in back-to-back sessions might be impacting the temp reading or something, because I've noticed it stops heating when the milk is still lukewarm when I do back-to-back stuff, which is WAAAAY more annoying than cleaning milk scum. FWIW, I kind of wish I'd bought a Breville Bambino just for steaming instead, but there are more interesting options allegedly hitting the market in 2024--so this will do the job until then.
I have a disability so I've had to learn how to texture milk hands free, and while I am pretty good at it with a traditional steam wand - this product has been a game changer for me.
Thank you for this great video 🙂The Nespresso Barista Milk Frother has a separate jug made out of uncoated steel which can be cleaned very easily. Maybe the foam isn´t not as "perfect" as with the NanoFoamer Pro but IMHO good for our purpose
Agree with everything you said. Even cheaper than removable would be a wider top. We are all pouring into something else. Lid, scum, and coating are exactly right to be bothered by.
Not really all, why would I need to pour into something else and add something else I have to clean? Pouring from it is fine, no award winning latte art sure but that isn't a priority
Hey, great review! I've been using the NF Pro for close to two weeks now, and found it to be quite a pleasure. Yes, even considering the two main cons you mentioned: 1. The lid: I didn't have to guess if it was sealed correctly. Not even once. The rubber seal gives a special feedback when it gets to seal correctly, don't know how to describe it, but once you put it right, you'll feel it. 2. The cleaning: I just put some water in the NF and leave it be while I drink my coffee. Once I've got to clean it, I just wipe the milk on the bottom with the little brush and thats it. Rinse the NF with some water (not even soap) and that's it. I do believe that a Pro v2 will come out in maybe a couple of years to make it even better, but as of right now, I'm enjoying it. Cheers!
I agree. The lid took a little getting used to but now getting it right is automatic. Also, it took a little practice to use the brush most efficiently, but now cleaning is almost as quick as for a steam wand.
Thanks for this review. I got mine a couple of weeks ago and have been using it periodically since the clean up is annoying. One thing for me though is that I didn’t really like was the capacity. I take a 16oz tumbler to work and using the NFP only gets me to half way full. And I like to have my cup pretty full 😅 Also, I have to take the screens apart each time because I noticed milk will get trapped even if you running it through water right after the milk is done. But overall I’m happy with my purchase
As someone who got into home espresso with a Cafelat Robot and a Bellman stovetop milk steamer, I think I would have easily preferred the faffing about with cleaning on this over the faffing about with a stovetop steam boiler, which can be a nightmare. Between burning yourself on scorching hot steel (that unit is not exactly stable on a rickety gas stove burner grate) and dialing in the steaming power, it was not exactly an easy, pleasant process to get to where I could consistently get good microfoam. There were too many variables to contend with, with having to worry about the right amount of water to use in the boiler, how high to set the stove burner, whether to preempt the OPV valve on your boiler or cool down the steam wand with a damp towel or running the boiler under a water tap for a second or something to avoid superheating and scorching the milk, and whether to leave the burner on while steaming. I had wildly varying results between different stoves (gas vs electric) and even between two Bellman steamers of the same model. One seemed to be persistently underpowered while the other constantly scorched and over-aerated milk. The complaints raised in this review are ones that I would also have. Further, the amount of little plastic bits that are subjected to high heat and friction definitely gives me pause, and it does seem like it would be awkward to pour latte art directly out of this unit, but this seems like a much better starting point for a standalone milk steamer. Just the difference in electricity it would take to steam milk on this compared to boiling water in a pressure vessel on a stove with an oversized burner for the Bellman seems like a huge improvement for those concerned about electricity costs and the carbon footprint of a latte made at home.
You can't have the cup removable unless you have an induction heating element (creates an electromagnetic field) which i think would cause problems with the spinning magnets. For heating elements like this you need something to couple the heat for conduction, usually a thermal putty, paste or epoxy is used to achieve this. The thermal putty or paste would have to be replaced each time you removed the cup.
Motors also rely on electro magnetic fields so the induction coil would cause issues with the motor operation as well. The only way your idea could be achieved is moving the motor to the lid for spinning the propeller/having no magnets in the propeller and then having the jug heated with induction. The problem with this is an induction system is a lot more costly than a resistive heating element, the cost would likely go up anywhere from 40-100$.
My only complaint about this video: when your “HIV/HPV” comment happened, I very loudly laughed and everyone in the gym turned and looked at me. But seriously, great video. I was a KS backer, but being in USA I believe we get our units last (according to what I read). Hopefully it won’t be too much longer before I can try it out myself. I’m glad you also tested the temp. Seems that Lance got more temp swings than you did.
Great review, as usual, thanks! interesting - Lance measured much less accurate temps. I wonder if his unit is damaged, and if .there are other such units Why not just use induction? There are so many frothers that use this technique, and it solves all the problems - there is no heating element and no motor, so there is nothing that gets hot and causes burnt milk spots, the frothing pitcher is detached from the electronic unit, and is very easy to clean.
I think these will get more popular with the increase of people living in tight spaces and apartments, meaning frothing milk with a wand at 6am can seriously upset your neighbours.
Got my unit last week but I couldn't get it to foam properly for latte art. Even with 200ml milk, program 1 and black flow-controller, the milk gets too foamy and became a blob. Tried using cold milk, room temperature and pre-heated milk all with the same result. Will loosening the shaft help?
How long are you waiting before pouring? With any form of texturing you need to act really quick and keep the pitcher moving to avoid the thick foam on top.
@@aramse Didn't wait at all. The moment it says OK I immediately open the cover and the surface is already bubbly and foamy. Doesn't have the paint like texture compared to when I use the existing Nano foamer V2.
I was an early backer for this and for my dollar I was supposed to get a discount for the early bird access, but I never did. I thought that sucked ass, so I never bought it. Maybe when version 2 comes out, I'll consider it, would make a great (albeit pretty expensive) present for people that otherwise can't steam milk.
it would be cool if they could get the ergonomics right so you don't have to pour it into a different pitcher. I want to pour straight out of the Foamer
For anyone who owns this: is it not possible to clean the jug by running a foaming cycle with water and a drop of dish soap and then rinsing it out? This is how I clean my steam wand when it gets really gross
Mine has just stopped working after 5 months. My trusty Dualit milk frother is still going strong after 8 years of daily use. It was a quarter of the price.
Great video, and great idea for the removeable inner sleeve that is dishwasher safe! I am paying a lot more attention to stand alone milk tools as I am just now getting into fake espresso with James Hoffman's 1:5 aeropress recipe that he did a video on during Lockdown. I am very curious how this will compare to the Meticulous Milk steamer! I would love it if you could review the Meticulous milk steamer and compare it to the Nano Foamer!
Doesn’t tv it make more sense in the long term, if you have a frothing capable espresso machine, to learn to use that for milk frothing? Good review though.
got this to pair with my moka pot and i've loved it so far. the main reason i got it is that it is totally hands free so i can be doing other bits whilst its working away. and i can set it off when i get the first bit of coffee coming out of the moka pot and i know that it will be done at the right time. also own a manual espresso machine (rok) but dont rly use it anymore because i prefer the taste of the moka pot.
Another professional review. If there’s one critique-not enough (real-)time spent using the device in normal use. It’s good to hear sound levels, what’s it like with different milks/alternatives etc.
Totally agree and we’re trying to figure this out but we currently don’t have the studio space to film and brew at the same time. The space where we shoot b-roll in is super noisy so there’s no way to capture good audio. Hope to move to a bigger space soon.
One question. You put 150ml for full cream at setting 2. Did you leave it till 65 degrees or you take it out at OK (55 degrees). I think the milk continues to froth so there might be a difference?
Ok, two things. - If you think there’s a noticeable difference between steam wand milk and this, have you tried adding a comparable amount of water to the milk before steaming it, so it becomes comparable to the steam induced by the steam waand? - There are other similar steamers available. How does it compare to them?
I actually have not tried that tbh. It may yield similar results but I kinda prefer the texture and creaminess of the NanoFoamer so I wasn’t really motivated to try and make it taste more like a regular steam wand. I don’t know of any other frothers on the market that do what the NanoFoamer does. As for regular standalone steamers you have things like the bellman and morning dream.
Thanks man, it's amazing review, it's not like other videos that just open box! Also, it's not just a review, Thanks for giving suggestions for candidate enhancements, I feel every word you said as I just owned one, I totally agree with you 😀
Regarding your idea with cleaning - it's not new, my wife bought couple years ago a tchibo's machine that has a separate pot and electronic/heating part -> ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oct8f_4VBrk.html . The silver part can be put into dishwasher which solves the problem of cleaning.
I agree that a NF PRO with capability to set your milk at an exact temperature that you’d like, and save that preference with the type of milk that you’re using would be brilliant; but, as someone in tech, the mantra is that the more complex the tech is, the more it’ll break and the more problems arise - because then you’d have to have a team releasing software updates as well to ensure that the tech doesn’t slow down and is always staying up to date. Great video! I agree that a water proof pitcher would be BRILLIANT.
Mine arrived the other day and I 100% agree with the workflow gripes. It is super annoying to clean. It gets to the point where after I froth my milk I feel as if I have to run and clean the parts rather than keep my milk moving and pouring art. Plus of course you have to make sure no water accidentally goes down to the bottom of the device. I have no idea how I missed these obvious problems.
just bought one. Great review and tips thank you. I am very peased with it.....and its very low wattage if you have a van with solar panels, inverter and batteries.
ive only used oatly barista and ive not had any scum yet although i have made sure to clean properly after every use. so not sure if you were feeling lazy and just gave a quick rinse
First time seeing a review by you. Wow, great flow, this made me smile, love the sense of humor and inside jokes combined with a solid technical review👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I had been using a nanofoamer lithium with my flair 58 for a long time, and this thing has made everything so much easier. My girlfriend also loves cold foam for her iced lattes now
I've been using a pre-production NF Pro for a couple of months now, and the lid doesn't bother me. Compared to the other NanoFoamers, the screen almost doesn't clog, so you save a little bit in cleanup there compared to the base. I have a good brush for this, so never need to stick my hands in, but it's definitely easier to clean than a flowtip jug heated on a stove (to me). Great work again!
I appreciate your detailed and critical review. I use a hand pump-style foamer, and based on my experience with, I would suggest preheating this foamer with hot water. That might reduce the presence of scalded milk on the bottom. You might also preheat the milk. In general, it seems like heat convection in foam would be much less than in unfoamed milk. And agree that immediaately filling with warm but not boiling water could ease clean up
I fully agree with everything and especially the custom program. The thing seems powerful enough to make a thick and creamy al freddo from just espresso and milk if it could spin a minute straight.
Your review is spot on. I've had my nanofoamer pro for a week after using the original nanofoamer for almost two years. Texture wise it is very good but still figuring how how to make it consistent. It doesn't help that I switch between dairy and oat milk on an hourly basis, and often mix the two together. I think the longevity issue with the coating is definitely valid as you do need to clean it on every use. With the original nanofoamer, I also have a lot of issues with clogging of the screens and have had to clean it quite meticulously over the years to keep the silky milky flowing. I'm guessing the pro will have the same issue so worth buying several screens as spares!
The screen seems less prone to clogging here. The trick to run it under a forceful stream seems to have helped. I have little to no build up in weeks of constant use.
Great review but my suggestion for clean up would be to put a drop of washing up liquid and warm water in the machine and put it on again - this will flush the system with clean soapy water and you can easily rinse it out.
Initially, I was on the Kickstarter but the comments on the coating (already pointing to washing challenges) dissuaded me. Glad to see that my intuition was on the target. I think induction would be a good solution to implement your proposal. I have a Severin milk heater where the pot removes, uses magnets to rotate a disk and it does not need coating.
@@cenciende9401 there is no need to be rude because you have not understood Raghunath's proposal. According to him, the burning (and therefore washing challenges) is due to the use of small heating element. The small element causes significant temperature difference that lead to localised burning of milk. Raghunath then proposes to heat the vessel more consistently to avoid the hot spot and therefore to avoid burning milk. Not burnt milk means that there is no problem to clean and you don't need the coating. It's all in the video, I would encourage you to use pause if you need time to process the explanations rather than posting rude comments.
i dont know if this varies by milk, the cleanup isn't bad when i use oat milk. giving it a quick (10s) rise under the faucet after each use is enough. definitely not enough of a hassle to complain about
Excellent review. Very thorough. May I recommend that audiobooks/podcasts make washing dishes a joy. Give me a good audio book and I’ll come over and wash YOUR dishes 😂
Haha I love audiobooks when I’m driving or exercising but unfortunately even the best audio books cannot make dishes a joy for me. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment. :)
I was hoping to get your experience on more average size drinks. I received mine a while ago and while trying 150ml is very consistent, it's such a niche milk level to use. I've been testing it on 220ml and above to at least try and get an average size milk froth for an average size cup of latte. Have you guys tried doing so? If so, what's your experience on it? I found the froth to be very inconsistent with a lot of hard foam at times.
@@bungeegum4 Calling the heart shape that I usually pour "latte art" would be a stretch. I don't have much aspirations here, but smooth & silky microfoam is important for me, mostly because I prefer the mouthfeel. I use a 350ml pitcher and a Lelit Bianca. The reason I pledged for the Nanofoamer Pro is that I plan to use it when traveling (with a Picopresso) and for frothing cold milk at home.
Agree about the lid. I just rinse and soak whilst I drink my coffee. I’ve had a trusty Dualit foamer (great price from Costco) for many years. I’m debating as to whether I’ll go back to it as it was reliable and consistent. So far, I’m finding NFP faffy and the foam’s not quite getting as thick as I’d like.
@@scoobysnax8127 strange. So the hack is to loosen the hex nut on the shaft then tighten it so it’s just finger tight. Remember to turn clockwise to loosen it. It’s reverse threaded. Basically the shaft should move around quite easily.
Pardon my thick skull / insensitivity, would you kindly explain why this was in poor taste? I heard it as a list of abbreviations of biologically harmful things. And if the point was that HIV and HPV are viruses that can cause people great suffering which we shouldn’t seem to mock, so do these “forever chemicals”: Horrible Cancers, brain diseases, infertility and more.
