Is This The "Perfect" Guitar Tone?

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Today we're talking about edge of breakup tone, why it happens, and why you should set your amp to the edge of breakup.
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@coastercook 2 года назад

My girlfriend and I have been on the 'edge of breakup' for a while now. This video helps. Thanks, Rhett.

@bryanherward4679 2 года назад

🤣

@mike70s 2 года назад

Just don't "Compress her" and you'll be fine 😉

@otaviosmartins1 2 года назад

Hdydhsudhaudhaudhsu

@TheGnob27 2 года назад

Sometimes adding a tube screamer into the mix can revitalize the relationship. 😏

@ficelli4385 2 года назад

She might be distorting what you're saying... Watch out my dude

@darwinsaye 2 года назад

What I consider "edge of breakup" is the point at which if I dig in on my strings relatively hard, there will be a distorted transient attack, but the sound will immediately clean up for the rest of it's sustain. If I play lightly, there should be no discernible breakup in the tone at all. But everyone seems to have their own definitions of all these tone terms. At 7:42, what you call your edge of breakup tone is what I consider to be considerably overdriven. Like, AC/DC--crunch level of driven.

@gunkanjima3408 2 года назад

EVH might consider that edge of breakup

@leinadatidumarp 2 года назад

Agree.. that's already a crunch tone to me.

@thestuffmikedoes2309 2 года назад

This is how I’ve always interpreted the term

@loveisrealdudes 2 года назад

Same. I thought that was way past edge of break up

@jordanbrazinski8260 2 года назад

I’m with you on this for sure. I want my “edge of breakup” to sound dirty in the initial attack and then clean up during the sustain. Otherwise, it’s all breakup, not on the edge.

@reverb508 2 года назад

Edge of Breakup is when your "secret guitar" comes in on a day you're at work and your girlfriend has to sign for it.

@toddwilliamson8557 2 года назад

Shhhhhh... (eyes the sweet butterscotch ultra telecaster under the bed)... I call it my 'midnight' guitar (cause that's the only time I can get it out hehe)...shhhhh

@reverb508 2 года назад

@@toddwilliamson8557 she knows about it. They always know. She's just waiting for the right time to tell you she knows.

@maulalex08 2 года назад

This shit made me laugh out loud lmaoo 💀 good one 😭

@johncox2552 2 года назад

Ouch!

@vladtheeditor1 2 года назад

@@toddwilliamson8557 why would you hide it?

@malby65 2 года назад

I enjoy hearing you explain stuff. Not only are you a great musician but you're a very good speaker. Much respect from Belgium

@susanc9062 2 года назад

7:42....that's edge of breakup? No way. That's well into crunch territory. Edge of breakup is clean when playing softly, but starting to grow hair when hit hard. Anything more broken up is overdriven/dirty/crunchy.

@lukeleton 2 года назад

Depends how you use volume and tone knobs

@richardshank7659 2 года назад

@@lukeleton and pickups. Very much a determining factor. Of course the hands are largely more of a determining factor. The entire signal chain is important though

@FeelingShred 2 года назад

yeah, it makes me think of Robin Trower's kind of sound, but even that would be distortion I guess... oh it just hit me: 1st Dire Straits album !!!!! 1978 !!!!!! (very impressive year... The Police, Van Halen...)

@mralgebro 2 года назад

Haven’t seen that guitar on your channel before. Sounds INCREDIBLE. I 100% agree about the compressor.

@baladeva777 2 года назад

Thanks so much Rhett for posting a video on this subject. Often times we do use these terms but maybe not have the clearest idea of what they mean. I’ve been trying to get that beautiful point of break up on my older modeling amp for some time and this really helped out a lot. you gave us a deeper understanding of how all all that works in the context in which you can use it in. Once again another well organized and informative video thanks so much. I would definitely dig more of this subject 🙏🏽🎯🎸🎼

@keithnorris2109 2 года назад

Completely off topic, but would you consider doing a video on how professionals conduct effective rehearsals? As a "hired gun," I suspect you could provide some super useful insights for bands who are struggling to be really good!

@qua7771 2 года назад

I would be interested as well. I used let hands practice in a space in my house to observe their methods. I never did get it. They mostly made a list, and each member would learn learn songs at home individually for cover tunes. Rehearsals were mostly dedicated to originals. Every band seemed to have their own dynamic. One had two brothers who liked to argue everything.

@chriswenzel7275 2 года назад

Great video! Not what I was expecting this afternoon but it was great to see you dig into this

@fajaradi1223 2 года назад

My guitar strings is on the edge of breakup right now, and this video is very helping. Thanks Rhett!

@jackp1351 2 года назад

As a DIY amp builder as well as a musician I applaud you teaching amp basics. Well done 👍

@DrwPrry 2 года назад

You've gotten really, really good at these info videos. The way you presented it clicked a lot of missing pieces in my understanding of my preference as a player. Thanks and keep'em coming.

@coryburns13 2 года назад

This was great but I would totally love to see you dig deeper into this like you said. I’m looking forward to that!

@stephentietjen4517 2 года назад

Probably one of my favorite videos you've done in a while. Not a meant as a shot at you... you have made some great videos but this one speaks really well to the beginner/intermediate tone seeker.

@dpurrington 2 года назад

Best video of yours that I've seen, Rhett! Very useful information here. Thank you for sharing.

@martinmicik26 6 месяцев назад

Very nice video!!! You are one of the few guitarists willing to explain it in detail for beginners. Big thanks

@bengodfrey2393 Год назад

As a relatively new guitarist turning into a total gear head, the final comments on compression and how it can get in the way of being on the edge of breakup was absolutely gold! Dawn breaking over marble head! What an epiphany! Thank you so much Rhett

@dereklundblad 2 года назад

This has been one of the best vids of yours I've watched so far, learned a lot! Thanks

@gabrielfernandez9792 2 года назад

GREAT Vid Rhett. Thanks for this. I have been wondering what exactly people meant when they spoke about "hitting the preamp section" and wondering about terms like " Power tube distortion" , "amp stages" etc. YOu cleared up some of these terms for me. I will be getting your Tone Course ASAP. Again, great subject, great examples, great overall instruction. You literally rock dude.

@isthereanybodyoutthere9397 2 года назад

Very informative Rhett. Thank you. I did always wonder exactly what it meant.

@mgebray 2 года назад

Hi Rhett, thanks so much. This video was so so helpfull & well explained. I curious to watch your other videos. Thanks again & cheers from Munich.

@annduguay1546 2 года назад

Great video Rhett! I hope you do more of these as they help me understanding the amp (or Kemper in my case) a little bit better. Thanks!

@leandro0rsantos 2 года назад

Wow! Great explanation! That's what I was looking in order to plan my setup configuration

@Jake-yx7ct 2 года назад

Very informative. Thanks for being gentle on the tech explanation.

@Vecsen12 2 года назад

This was very helpful…I look forward to more videos like this one. Thanks.

@robertashton8069 2 года назад

Great demo and explanation, Rhett! Thanks.

@adamk1466 2 года назад

Love your channel, don’t always comment, but that was the best explanation I’ve heard. The visual of the clipping graph helped greatly. Keep it coming, love your videos and work ethic! Inspiring…

@carsgunsandguitars 2 года назад

Great video. I love the touch response section. That's the thing that I love about my tube amps

@rockstarr9000 2 года назад

Fantastic video. "Edge of Breakup" is a holy grail type aspiration for guitar players. I would do an EOB II video on how pedals subtly effect it and then perhaps an EOB III video where you interview different players on their unique approaches to achieving that tone. Well done!

@matheusandrade7210 2 года назад

Amazing tones. Amazing guitar. Congrats, Rhett!

@1234mikeirving 2 года назад

Thanks Rhett, very helpful!

@ZakkBurton 2 года назад

Thanks Rhett!!! I will try it today :D

@gd14493 2 года назад

Hey Rhett, loved the video. Hope you do a series as I love tube amps. Keep making these great vids!!!

@shaunoleary8740 2 года назад

You rock Rhett - keep the videos coming brother!

@bsarvalho 2 года назад

This is great! I’ve always asked myself what that meant, so thanks!

@alexandreazzalini-machecle4775 2 года назад

Your videos are really well made! Congrats!

@liorashermusic 2 года назад

Great vid. Thanks Rhett!

@AlonzoWhite 2 года назад

Loved it!! Thanks for the knowledge.

@William.Driscoll 2 года назад

Great stuff. Looking forward to more technical content.

@dr_tomK 2 года назад

Cool video Rhett. Keen to hear the Victory amp you've got in the background, sometime.

@StringWh1z 2 года назад

This was VERY helpful! Thanks, Rhett!

@coryharris7362 2 года назад

Edge of breakup is when your wife finds out about your new guitar

@ZackSeifMusic 2 года назад

The tone itself works very well for specific genres for sure. For what you do Rhett, it sounds so musical and amazing. For most Pop/Rock session styles (especially from the 50s-70s) it's incredible. It doesn't quite work for the cover band stuff I do, however I DO take away the dynamics part of it live. Having more gain than you need then utilizing the Tim Pierce picking dynamics approach to dig in for choruses, then backing off for verses. Just a little more gain for fuller saturation :D

@eljison 2 года назад

Nice breakdown of the basic tube amp circuit and how the signal flows from your hands to your ears. Can't stop the signal.

@humbuckercafe 2 года назад

Really informative video and full of great tones 🎸 My trick when recording @ home is to hook up a booster or an overdrive pedal directly to the interface’s input and switch it on after the amp sim is - you guessed it - on the edge of breakup. Brgds from Poland 🇵🇱

@kidawesome8665 2 года назад

Great stuff. If you’re able, Rhett, it would be cool to have you dial in a particular amp for your perfect tone. Understanding it’s subjective, but it would be cool to see you dial in a Marshall SV, and the an AC30 and then a blues Jr and specify where each dial is so a player can get your tone settings as a starting point. Just a thought, but I’d watch more of that content and find it helpful. 👍

@Tom_Platz 2 года назад

Great video, and being from KC, I'm diggin' that shirt Rhett!

@davidzedner7020 2 года назад

Rhett Shull's "edge of breakup" tone is OVERDRIVEN AF

@andyhightides 2 года назад

Fluff would call it clean.

@RhettShull 2 года назад

One man’s clean is another man’s fuzz.

@seanbeadles7421 2 года назад

I mean at this point is “edge of breakup” really a meaningful term? Or is it merely just a subjective “I like this”. As in, if edge of breakup moves for everyone, what’s the point of specifying it as a term? I guess it’s useful, but it’s not very specific.

@mechmat12345 2 года назад

@@seanbeadles7421 I think some people want it to be defined more narrowly than others, and they claim anyone who doesn't agree to that narrow definition is wrong. The desirable characteristic you're looking for is a noticeable change in gain in relation to picking dynamics, which doesn't necessarily mean the amp is dead clean with light picking.

@albertplaysguitar 2 года назад

I always thought edge of breakup meant that the guitar was on the edge of breaking up, i.e. starting to distort from an otherwise clean signal when you "dig" into "it." Do the words "edge" and "breakup" have alternate meanings?

@yourguitarist 2 года назад

Great video as always.. I am a compression addict. I use the additional step of riding the volume control to control the distortion when using a compressor

@bernardofernandes2226 2 года назад

Rhett, I just loved this video and the subject that you’ve talked about! I’m already waiting for the next. There is no plan B indeed!! Greetings from Brazil 🇧🇷!!

@ThatsMrCollazo 2 года назад

Excellent video! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

@kvistholmen 2 года назад

Great work Rhett

@betoalvarez1248 2 года назад

Loved this video! Well all of your content really! I am a funk/neo soul guitar player i always play clean amps, but i can't play comfortable if i don't have some kind of booster pedal in front of my fender style amp. I've been using the Rc for years, and as clean as it sounds its kinda the same: pushing the amp so natural compression happens and i feel my clean more substantial.

@aipsong 2 года назад

Excellent video - thanks!!

@dellinger08 2 года назад

Great tones and playing!

@strummer1230 2 года назад

you are a gifted teacher. 👏👏

@fabcao209 2 года назад

Nice gear, nice sounds, great video!

@aprilkurtz1589 2 года назад

Thanks for demonstrating how to achieve this tone! I'm a bass player, but I also play rhythm guitar. I've got some nice tube amps, I'll have to experiment.

@385markcollier 2 года назад

Excellent video as usual, but loving the Diego Vila guitar! Sounds great.

@leemcintyre3943 2 года назад

This was one of the most informative videos I’ve seen.

@dillotank9421 2 года назад

Great sounds, thanks Rhett,

@RaphaelReekers 10 месяцев назад

Great video!👍

@mauricerlm 2 года назад

great video man. keep it up.

@Funkybassuk 2 года назад

Dude, you got the Ampete. Awesome! 👍🏽👏🏽

@mcaltelandroid2799 2 года назад

Great video! I hope you can make the series, because is fantastic! I have one vox pre/valvular. I hope it works too.

@CanyonWanderer 2 года назад

Excellent explanation and content!

@mbombaby 2 года назад

Excellent explanation of a not much talked about topic. The only pedals I use are a wah wah and a memory man (which is another edge break up aid unto itself). Pro Junior and a Ampeg Rocket 2. And your approach is my approach. Great piece.

@randygomez9595 2 года назад

I get the whole edge of breakup thing and it does sound really good. However, I think it should be thought as another great tool to have available to you and not something you should necessarily just use all the time (like you said about compression). Having played in cover bands for many years I feel like there are many songs where I need a clean tone that is totally clean with no breakup at all (like a lot of old motown, funk and disco music). And I feel like edge of breakup kind of works against getting that totally clean tone with no breakup when I need it. But some other songs (like blues or rock music) edge of breakup can be great. So I think when you should use it depends on the situation. Also there is the practical issue of, unless you're using a head and a cab with an attenuator in between, there WILL be situations where you're playing at a small venue and just CANNOT get your volume up to the edge of breakup without being WAY too loud and everyone screaming at you to turn down. So there's that...

@RobertSaxy 2 года назад

I learned how to set up my amp from one of your other videos so thank you for that and these kind of videos explaining this stuff. I think the reason I like edge off break up tone is because I’m a brass player (trombone) and the amp reacts tonally just like a brass instrument does with dynamics. About compression I recently tried plugging the headphone out of my amp, it had a cab sim, straight into a mixer with a single knob compressor and I still get all the tonal variation with a more balanced over all out put plus them I have the reverb and delay effects that I can use in the mixer with it too.

@14djfunk 2 года назад

Rhett really enjoyed the more technical, "under the hood" explanation in this video 👍

@AdADglgmutShevanel Год назад

Very helpful! I was close, but I needed just a bit more gain.

@rogerloydmccoy 2 года назад

Love that guitar man 😎

@srinip 2 года назад

Thanks so much for that wonderful summary of amp tone, and of course, thanks so much for that free preset. Just a couple of points, which may or may not resonate with anybody else. First, I find that even mod effects sound better after the amp (or in an FX loop in a real amp), so I'll have to play with your preset a bit to see if that translates into the digital world. Secondly - and this is just something I prefer - I like to split the signal after the amp, and keep one path dry. Then I send the other path through whatever fx I'm looking for (almost all the time, just reverb and delay), then merge the two paths together, with a very mild noise reduction block at the very end (if necessary). I find that simply adjusting the wet/dry mix in the fx blocks doesn't sound the same as emulating a parallel fx loop. Again, it's all preference. Thirdly, if anybody is interested in how well 4CM (or rather, my version, which is more or less 3CM) works with the HX Stomp, it works extremely well! One of my presets enables my Fuchs BJ21 to become part of the signal chain very transparently. Finally, and I realize this is all opinion and could offend some people, I always cringe when people play distorted first position chords (E, Em, D....) and let them ring. A more unpleasant sound is hard to imagine, but hey, different strokes!

@ralvknights 2 года назад

Thank u Rhett for showing a definition that makes total sense. I prefer having an amp with a clean channel and a distorted channel, due to my playing style. All is good.

@BrianBrazilHarmonica 2 года назад

There are many great guitar tones and it's not just the amp or guitar, it's in your own hands and understanding how to achieve those tones.

@desmondmyers 2 года назад

Damn that simple breakdown of input transformer > preamp tube > power tube > output transformer > speaker is something I should’ve known but it was really well explained here. Learn so much from these videos Rhett thank you!!

@junnyq23 2 года назад

Sweet information Brother

@uke4free907 2 года назад

👍VERY HELPFUL 👍 Thanks for sharing!

@robertfalconer5054 2 года назад

Thanks for the Tips on HX Stomp,etc. I was running it too low, 2.5 or 2.0, little extra volume has given it more Headroom, Also setting the send @ +2.0db Lifts it too. Awesome, thanks Rhett - great channel. Rob from Australia.

@lcde04 Год назад

👌👏👏👏 from France. Smart and great explanations. I suscribe! 😉

@lenoredanziger712 2 года назад

Props to the KC gang from a fellow midwesterner...great subject.

@bellsclubsbarsandbows76 2 года назад

Super useful video!

@BAMozzy69 2 года назад

If you set your Guitar's volume at about 7-8 when you dial in that 'Edge of Break-up' sound on your Amp, you have a 'boost' option without needing a pedal. Turn up the Volume to 'boost' or roll it back a bit to go very 'clean'. You can also set the guitars tone to about 7-8 too when you dial in the amps EQ and use that as a Treble Boost to cut through on a Solo...

@Fernando-ry5qt Год назад

Does the tone bit works for real? I mean.... a considerable volume boost is usually required to cut on a live mix

@juankrodriguez1506 Год назад

Exactly how I set it. 🙂

@SjaakShirly6559 2 года назад

Very, very helpful! Thanks.

@WorshipFog777 2 года назад

Love the videos man! Would you maybe do a video about how different picks affect the sound? Trying to out more about that, but I can't fint much

@E.T.musics 2 года назад

very well explained . I would define the Sweet spot as , increasing the amp volume You ll reach to the point where you get all the dynamics and the harmonics of sound frequencies at max level to our ears. Beyond this point you will begin to loose those dynamics ,harmonics and get more saturation . Say you will begin to loose those pikes of the edge of the frequencies and get more distortion or say saturation .and it applies to every electronic musical gear.

@williamrawlinson3109 2 года назад

Awesome video Rhett, as always. Are we ever going to see you play an SG?

@skalgrooveband 4 месяца назад

Great video thanks ❤❤❤

@tonymcalister9878 2 года назад

Good info. Thanks.

@ER-yq1lc 2 года назад

That's some sweet Mary Jane there! Not to nerd out to hard, but preamp tubes actually "amplify" more than power tubes, a typical 12ax7 has an amplification factor (mU) of 100, whereas a 6L6GT only has an amplification factor of 8. Power tubes have greater plate current dissipation to create more "power" (watts=VA), but amplification is an increase of voltage. Basically the preamp tubes "amplify" the signal voltage from the guitar, make up for signal loss from the tone controls, etc., and the phase inverter splits the waveform allowing the power tubes to work in push-pull mode (along with some degree of amplification as well), and then the power tubes, while they do add a relatively small increase in voltage, more importantly bring current (amps) to the table to create the power needed to move the speaker voice coil. Here is a top secret tone nerd tip for the people that kept reading; turn on the amp with nothing plugged into it and slowly turn up each knob till you hear the noise floor increase in the speaker (you will hear things "open up") find the sweet spot on each knob right at the cusp of where this happens. This is basically one stage opening up into the next, this will dial in the amp right in the "edge of breakup" because when you introduce signal each stage will push the next all the way down the line. Also a quick and dirty way to hone in on the sweet spot on an unfamiliar amp (backline etc.) Give it a try!

@luthiervandross6311 2 года назад

@Erik Ross, great explanation and useful tip, thanks!

@bobisadrummer 2 года назад

"slowly turn up each knob till you hear the noise floor increase in the speaker (you will hear things "open up") find the sweet spot on each knob right at the cusp of where this happens." Do you have to start at a specific knob and work your way across?

@ER-yq1lc 2 года назад

@@bobisadrummer Since each tubes grid acts as a "valve" in theory you want to move output to input to ensure that you're passing the upstream signal, but it's only really critical on amps with a master volume or amps where the passive tone controls will kill the entire signal at zero. Start around 9 o''clock on all the dials and go from there. You want to go to where you hear it "open up" and then turn it back down to the point where that just starts to happen, think of it like the "knee" point of a compressor. Once you do it a few times you'll get a feel for it. Make sure nothing is plugged into the amp when you do it, you just want to hear what's happening in the amp itself.

@bernardofernandes2226 2 года назад

What an awesome information! I’m going to try these steps with my amps! Thank you so much, Erick!

@michaela9817 2 года назад

Feel like I just received my ESAA degree (Electronic Signal/Acoustic Amplification)! Thank you for the education.

@disgruntledmaplesyrup9 2 года назад

I think what it really comes down to is that the artistic side of us is extremely intuitive, and some of the technical design "flaws" can be used as extra layers (or even tools perhaps?) of artistic expression. Digital stuff has gotten pretty good but to my ear nothing touches an es-339 with p-90's through a 12 inch speaker driven by EL84's.

@donciseau 2 года назад

Very educational video!

@MarshlandPete 2 года назад

I guess the key is to ideally set it so that you can still just about get the cleanest tone you need, whilst also being able to get a little bit more "drive" when you dig in. How clean that cleanest tone is, will be different for everyone. Which, is probably why there is such a large range of opinions of where the "edge of breakup" is.

@toploadtele 2 года назад

Good stuff Rhett! Being a huge fan of Keith's 5 Watt World channel advocating more music with less gear, I've discovered that I can get all the "tones" I could ever need using an ABY switch to run my 15 Watt tube amp WITH my Katana MKII Artist. Programming the desired effects in the Boss Tone Studio for the Katana and setting the volumes just right on the two amps together produces some amazing tones. The Boss GA/FC foot switch allows full control of all the "channels" on the Katana having 8 switchable presets for on the fly switching of the Tone Studio preset patches plus switchable on/off circuits for the effects plus a direct out and an effects loop. Total price brand new: Katana Artist MK-II - $599.00 / GA/FC Foot switch - $99.00 / Monoprice Stage Right 15 Watt Tube amp w/JnJ tubes - $249.00 for a grand total of $948.00 - No pedals needed! Great set-up for less that a grand ~

@JetAV8 2 года назад

Standing in front of that wall of divided by13’s (super jealous btw) I can’t tell if your guitar has strap locks and those hands free moments gave me some serious heeby-jeeby’s. Awesome video man👍

@robertashton8069 2 года назад

I agree on the use of compression. Works best in the studio!