Is This the Worst WW2 Film Ever? "The Fall of Berlin" (1950) 

Implying that comrade Stalin would need some crude capitalist robotic contraption to beat Hitler in single combat: Off to the Lubyanka with you!

Stalin didn’t have a mecha. He defeated the Hitler mecha with his own wit.

@@thebrutusmars the mecha was made from good communist atoms willingly gathering around Stalin

Duke of Lorraine the Stalin mecha used the hammer and sickle to kill hitler

Stalin was already a mecha, he would Just one punch tko hitler lol.

Huh... thought he already was in Gulag

@freebeerfordworkers I remember that interview as well, at the Premier his father (the director) was sitting nearby Stalin in a cinema, during the scene in which Stalin salutes the troops from the plane door he looked towards the real Stalin and saw him smiling, in that moment he said, he knew that he is safed.

@freebeerfordworkers I remember seeing this also, pretty interesting to get an inside look about how these films were made.

I'm gonna post this comment so I can get a follow up when someone post the link of that interview.

It comes from the documentary Stalin: The Man of Steel, which I believe is still on RU-vid

Failure to dance will lead to you being sent to the gulag comrade.

@@thetrashman5252 DA

'Must' seems to be the very appropriate verb.

Tbf this did happen. Russians were overjoyed that the last four years of literal hell were now over.

*dabs for the fallen* *default dancing across Berlin*

An apple a day keeps the guard away.

@@mrmoth26 "single apple once a day/ keeps selection far away"

@@mrmoth26 an apple would've been like a five star gourmet feast for them

i mean according to the movie there was no allied bombin

Proximity to Stalin cured their malnutrition

Some polish Boi Russian and Americans: (also does the same thing in the 1960s-1970s) Also Russian and Americans: *Im gonna pretend that I did not see that*

Brandon should have done what Patton told the doctor at the beginning of the movie "Patton", "Cut holes in your helmet".

You are not from Hamburg, are you?

@@arnekrug939 No, im from south Germany

@@thrifikionor7603 That's what I thought because accordeons are often played for tourists there.

@@arnekrug939 DANCE MONKIES DANCE FOR GLORIOUS COMRADE STALIN!!

@@arnekrug939 Germans up there must have PTSD from all the constant sound of accordeons

Well, that's a comparison I never thought I'd hear...

Only one actually has all our favorite things in life and one is shrek

Well there was probably some drinking and dancing done eventually.

@@konstantinosnikolakakis8125 and Rape. Lots and lots of Rape...

Panzershrek

Potential Starfish it’s was a joke

Wait... you mean that didn't happen?

Stalin would never even take a plane because he was afraid of flying.

@@Sltarfish at least he didn't murder a good joke

@@Jakitojestkolor instead of 'Woosh', how about 'Nyeeeeooong!'?

Now that's what I call, typecasting.

@@edlawn5481 Have you ever seen that guy who played Stalin and Brent Spiner in the same place at the same time?

Αουτς

Τι μαλακία λολ Γι'αυτό είναι που νικήσε τον εμφύλιο η δημοκρατία XD Τι σκατά

Yet it was the Brits who liberated Greece with the invasion of occupied Greece in October 1944

Aaron Bral Stalin went to war against Bulgaria who were part of the Axis invasion of Greece.

@@ey7290 No! That was comrade Stalin pretending to be British! Long live Stalin!

The Americans: the electric guitar :p

Uh Stalin's Organ

the funny thing about this is that accordions are quite expensive.

Hyruleans: Ocarina

the french had white flags

Who does he think he is? Hitler visiting Paris?

-fallen capital of a hostile state- Fallen state capital of an section of his country in rebellion 👍

Atleast Abraham Lincoln was a chad

@@whitequasar4686 sure was

so porn to stroke his own ego basically?

Cryrosphere I believe so........ Thats basically how communism works.....

Especially this one was made for his birthday. Therefore it shows Stalin as a "God in white" arriving in Berlin, even if he never left the Soviet Union except for a meeting in Teheran in 1943.

Naah. Believe it or not, there were loads, and I mean loads, of people in the Soviet Union, who viewed Stalin as a hero and wanted to see a film like that. Just because millions suffered under Stalin's terror, doesn't mean that some other millions didn't adore him.

@@penjamfilms And tehre are still people like this. Those people who also forbid the movie "The Death of Stalin" to show in Russia and some of the former Soviet republics. You might like it, you might not but there is no reason to forbid it. Some people claimed that this is an insult to Stalin, the goverment of 1953 and to the veterans of WW2 (which wasn't mentioned in the first place).

I wonder what the movie Stalin's accent was. The real Stalin was from Georgia, and he had quite an accent when speaking Russian. In the movie The Death Of Stalin he is given a cockney accent when speaking English.

​@@ArizonaJoeHinesThe actor was georgian too, which is partly why Stalin favoured him to play as himself in movies.

Then downfall hitty starts ranting.

LOL!

@Sean Wilkinson HOW DARE YOU FLAUNT THAT CAPITILASITC DIAHREA! YOU WILL HAND THEM OUT FOR ENTIRE COUNTRY NOW OR BE SENT TO GULAG!

Then everytime Oktoberfest rolls around it must be like one big national PTSD flashback... XD

Hey look who it is. I love you're work, dear sir.

I am proud of this "almost" Katyusha reference

@@LegendaryKazooMann1936 But wouldn't that be the Stalin Organ (Stalinorgel)?

@@teddyneptunereacts0396 Oh yeah! My bad, I just listened to "Katysha" and had it on the brain 😂

Daniel Knowles fun fact that was a sister film to the Japanese-American letters from Iwo Jima

No, you're thinking of the much older film, The Sands of Iwo Jima. The flag goes up, *spoiler* John Wayne dies, and his men break out a guitar, a full drumset, a trumpet, a saxophone, and Benny Goodman leads them in a rousing jazz rendition of The Marine Corps Hymn as marines dance with geishas to celebrate. Then FDR arrives, and through the power of emotion is able to get out of his wheelchair and do the jitterbug with Eleanor on Mt Surabachi. Truly a stirring scene.

Garret LeBuis Man propaganda back then

@@eldorados_lost_searcher Interesting enough, the real Ira Hayes, Rene Gagnon & John Bradley were in the movie. John Wayne gave Gagnon the flag before he dies from the wound.

Garret LeBuis would you mind sharing a link of this particular scene?

"I can't wait to be arrested and raped by the Cheka Police!" *flashes her titties at incoming Russian soldiers*

@@BigPuddin *Other Berlin Women* : Time to shame rape survivors for the next 50 years!

Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein!

I'm pretty sure it was you that killed Hitler, Fegelein.

German woman: Am I getting raped now?

Stalin forced him to only play him in any movie that was to feature him as a character , poor actor couldnt play anything else than Stalin in propaganda movies until Stalin died of course

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikheil_Gelovani sadly no , he died 3 years after the dictator and during those 3 years he was denied any roles cause of how much he had been associated with portraying stalin

A fun fact. The actor didn't speak with Stalin's real Georgian accent and used regular Russian accent. Stalin didn't like to be portraid speaking seemingly bad Russian.

@@Igor-ug1uo Gelovani COULD imitate Stalin's accent, but Stalin didn't like that and told him to stop.

Tora Tora Tora is far better

@@lefevrecorinne7608 that's the joke, like this movie is somehow worse than Pearl Harbor unless lol

"The Patriot" is sitting at the coach, smiling while petting its cat...

@@sergiojuanmembiela6223 And meanwhile "The Son of Saul" is soaking his balls in the swimming pool

Jason Brody And Braveheart is teaching gym.

You know, in a way, it really wouldn't surprise me that much.

You are thinking of the polar opposite soviet ww2 film, Come and See (1985) where they do use live fire over the actor's heads.

Wait, did Cecil B. DeMille direct this?

Wait, it says that your comment (John Smith) was commented 19 hours again whilst Brandon's comment is 21 hours since, hmmmmmm...

@@BrandonF Bet Beria had the casting actors *listed* long before they made the movie

Guess him and Reznov must've been on the other side of the Reichstag What a shame that Dimitri passed out from the wound he received, poor chap missed out on the massive dance party that started literally two minutes later

I guess Reznov was too busy being in a gulag to attend…

@@thomaswilson3827 Stalin had little need for heroes..

Shostakovich was playing 20D chess

This is a whole new level of Stalin, you send so many people to the Gulag that there is no one left to arrest people.

Ha. Something similar happened to Sergei Prokofiev, the composer behind another propoganda film, Alexander Nevsky. The Teutonic knights are wearing swastikas in that one lol.

this is a certified schostakowitsch moment

Xaris Xeros Oh stop with the ‘20 million innocent Russians’ shite. What about the countries they invaded? What about the hundreds of thousands murdered at the hands of the Bolsheviks?

> more than 20 million INNOCENT Russians. Proof please. > What about the countries they invaded? What were these countries? Exept Finland.

@Xaris Xeros oh I agree with you people here saying the Russians aren't innocent? Yes, those people were, poor, uneducated farmers who were not guilty of the actions of their state, a state which largely oppressed them, but I don't think he was positing that Germans didn't do fucked up shit dude. This was a response to a film not a 20hr docuseries on the attrocities of WW2, when you talk about any WW2 event are you expected to list every event happening everywhere in that time? He was responding to a text not analysing the broad historical tapestry of global conflict and expecting him to do so is idiotic when it's not even 100% agreed on with all the resources of the entire acedemic community. Just because he said that what happened in what he was responding to was incorrect doesn't mean he is pro nazi and for you to suggest that is incredibly disingenuous and your eye for an eye argument ? What you are saying is hey retribution on their part would be fair, the Nazis did it!. Your setting the bar for ethical conduct at the Nazis did it so so can we? I ironically hear you using more Third Reich rhetoric in this comment of denunciation than in his video.

Xaris Xeros I haven’t justified anything, you’re the one here wearing the rose tinted glasses. Someone says something you don’t like and you accuse them of being demented & using drugs because you have no other argument.

@Xaris Xeros Innocent russian is an oxymoron

Yes!

Stalin would have absolutely had Zhukov liquidated if he thought he could get away with it. Stalin went after the local party leaders of Leningrad for the treasonous crime of surviving the German siege and being generally admired for it.

@@dlxmarks you would think so but actually that does not seem to be true he kinda of like Zhukov cause Zhuk had balls of steel and would yell at him--it was Beria that wanted him whacked.

(Fortnite dances)

Default dance on top of the German corpses

*taunts

Although that is what Stalin did he literally did stuff exactly the way lenin wanted. Trotsky was jealous of lenin and when he failed to merge the mensheviks with the bolsheviks, he joined the bolsheviks and pretended that he was a Leninist.

@@Stalinlover-jx1jy Says the guy with that nickname. How can I be sure you're not just spouting propaganda, huh? Oh well, I'm not a fan of any kind of Leninism anyway, so it's not like that matters to me.

Oh no, you did it now! The communist apologists are Coming for you now!

@@Mercure250 Nickname or not, that's simple history lol

@@Stalinlover-jx1jy no he simply didn't. stalin made his own isolationist system while Lenin wanted free trade. stalin privatised everything while Lenin wanted to have little firms that had to follow the rules of the state however werent completely owned by the state till they would be an pretty big sice. once they reached that sice they would have been privatised

@The_Jaguar_ Knight also stalin wasn't really that much of a "proud Georgian" anyway so I doubt it was done on purpose to appease him

@The_Jaguar_ Knight In reality it was majorly Russian though, for example, only around 700,000 soldiers there conscripted from Kazakhstan, a second biggest "soviet republic" (after Russian "s.r." of course). -I'll try to remember there i saw the conscription order, and post it here later, hopefully.- Ethnic composition of rifle divisions (%) from 1 jan. apr. jun. '43 to 1 jan. '44: ic.pics.livejournal.com/pyhalov/31027164/76004/76004_original.jpg (first 4: Russian, Ukrainian, Belorussian, Armenian) Number of casualties total: img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/52765/310023662.37bf/0_78e279_24d6f41f_orig (first 4: Russian, Ukrainian, Belorussian, Uzbek)

@@fus132 In terms of population Ukraine was bigger than Kazakhstan but ok

@@heavypupper1219 I meant in landmass, shouldn't have been writing late at night.

To be fair, Georgia contributed over 500,000 soldiers to the Red Army

You were thinking very well! There are so many problems with this film that West and East can agree on one thing: even without the secret police looming over the filmmakers, those filmmakers weren't very good at being that! Can you link me to the part with the anachronistic Yugoslav flag?

I have the same memory but with the different film Battle of Sutjeska, in real life 5000 partisans died in this large canyon where german forces just massacerd them cuz they were chargin at them up the hill. The movie makes it seem like it's some heroic deed when in reality it was a needless massacre of young men and women that were forced to charge up a steep hill. They were basicly target practice for the germans....

@@livingdeadgirl5691 reminds me of the charge of light brigade in the crimean war. In British propaganda, this charge was portrayed as the sacrifice and heroism of a British light cavalry brigade against all odds. in reality, this attack was the result of their commander's stupid and incompetent decision. and the fact that they were below the canyon while the Russian infantry was above it didn't help either. as a result, the light cavalry brigade became nothing more than shooting practice for Russian infantry and cannons. resulting in unnecessary casualties.

Yugoslavia was a thing then and that flag was officical by then lol

where is that? by that time the red star already was on the flag of yugoslavia, unless you were referring the starless one which existed in 1992 but was indeed used from 1918 to 1943 when tito came about

Do you think something similar happens in North Korea?

Same with Mao.

@@strikeforce1500 YES. It does. I've done my own research on the North Koreans, Kim Il-Sung and Kim Jong-il are like deities there, their very bodies are preserved and on display in the government palace, along with giant statues set up in public that people bow down to. Cult, an absolute cult.

im surprised i havent seen tito portrayed like that at all i mean kim il sung definitely lmao, look at north korean propaganda kim jong il supposedly doesnt even refer to his own father as father, but the president, as if he's unrelated

Brandon F. Stalin was still alive when the film was made.

And his influence is palpable!

@@BrandonF In my opinion you should show moment when main Hero meets Stalin in his garden where he is in hagiographic pose - taking care of plants like god in eden.sry for my bad English btw

One surprising thing I'd mention about what you said in this video, Brandon, regarding what if a famous American general had been left out of films like Zhukov: I've seen a lot of World War II films, and there IS in fact a legendary US general who is virtually NEVER shown: Matthew Ridgway. A brilliant commander who during WWII led the Airborne Divisions and even served beside Patton on at least two occasions, and later became a MASSIVE hero for the United States in the Korean War also. Yet, when we look at say Patton (1970), Ridgway and his frankly amazing leadership is NOWHERE to be seen. Now, some might excuse this by saying "Oh but Ridgway was still alive when a number of these films were made, perhaps they didn't think it right to include him yet". However...Omar Bradley lived until 1981, and he appears in stuff like Patton. For possibly several reasons, Hollywood robbed one of America's greatest generals of his fame and glory in order to promote generals like Patton as being bigger heroes on their own than they actually were. What Ridgway's men must have felt, seeing those movies...I can hardly imagine their anger and sadness. As a matter of fact, the only reason I myself know about General Ridgway is because I studied the Korean War, and the bios brought up his earlier World War II heroism. I just sat in disbelief, horrified at what Hollywood had done to the legacy of this man and his soldiers. Just thought I'd share this with you.

I think the film you are referring to is called Liberation. You can also see it on RU-vid. Its a bit better than this film

@@ChristianVBlue3 can you link it?

Sounds like they were going for an Emperor Nero of Rome angle, where he killed his wife gruesomely and then later committed suicide to avoid capture by Galba and the Senate. What a miserable life for Soviet filmmakers. At least Brezhnev allowed Sergei Bondarchuk to make his legendary battle epics. They're literally some of the best I've ever seen on 19th Century warfare.

Then you see Stalin with a cup of Starbucks...

Hitler kinda forgot about the Russian winter.

Imagine if in the final siege, right after the last dragon kills all the civilians inside the castle, someone kills Cersei, all her soldiers instantly stop fighting and surrender in droves and throw their flags in front of the victors, the last few surviving civilians come out and sing with the attacking army (even after they literally burned by direct order from Daenerys and many of their loved ones died), every named character comes forth to thank the soldiers and finally Daenerys herself comes to say to everyone that she wants peace.

@@plutarchvonpluto6439 Wouldn't be suprised she saw herself that way.

Back in Moscow

Don't worry they had the beutiful German womans

It is full of asurdities and implausiities, especially wth Stalin getting credit for re-uniing a couple split in the war by the war.

Russian have accordions always close. Even if they do clown car schtick- 17 people, one guitar and one accordion in Volga (sedan) car. m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ey7v_U-slNc.html

Yes I was also thinking that this dancing is entirely in keeping with my understanding of the celebrations at the end of the war in Berlin. I am under the impression that the Russians are people who love music and like to dance and that this was a normal way of celebrating such a momentous day. After what I considered this colossal error on the part of the presenter I rather lost interest in the video i’m afraid.

I WILL HAVE MY REVENGE!

I was just thinking, looting and rape were punishable in the Soviet army (as in any army except the Germans), so first we accuse the Soviets of raping someone, then we accuse the Soviets of throwing those who did it in jail) no one anywhere specifies exactly what someone was jailed for, no one will search for personal records, so you can say anything)

That depends. Sometimes they were punished for such acts, other times they weren’t. There were officers and even high ranking generals who supported or didn’t care what the troops were doing to the civilians but others (like Rokossovsky) who enforced brutal laws against acts of rape, murder, plunder, and the like against civilians. As with everything regarding history, its never as cut and dry as we want it to be.

@@artemgushin5228 Looting and rape was severely punished in the German military, they were very strict about a lot of things. On the other hand, Soviet Soldiers we’re not punished for looting and rape, but we’re encouraged to do so. Not saying all Russians were rapist, and they’re were definitely cases of rape in the German military. Don’t believe everything you see in Hollywood and Russian made movies.

@@elmascapo6588 yea rear line units and units who recruited criminals or Soviet POWs like the dirlewanger brigade but not usually front like units, they were too busy fighting, not saying there weren’t cases but there were very few.

I saw a (I believe) Chinese made film from the late 50's. The acting was on par with a hostage proof of life video. It was based during the Korean War, and managed to hit every cliche available. The Chinese and Korean socialist brothers (always heroic) proclaiming the glory of each other's leaders. The savage, mercenary invaders who refused to fight unless they were either paid more, promised first crack at the looting, or threatened by aristocrat officers. The convert who finds the true meaning of socialism, and is, of course, executed by his senior officer for trying to convince his fellow soldiers to join the people's side. It was a rolling train wreck of a film, but quite unintentionally funny.

@@christopherconard2831 commie' movies you say? You could put Red Dawn there as well

@@christopherconard2831 please i need the name of this film

@@suspicioususer Unfortunately I can't begin to remember. I saw it around 1988. It was in the UNF library.

You are right on the spot mate.

Send him to Gulag, the only emotion that on can feel is love for Stalin.

White Rose Cicero Honestly Stalin wasn’t any better than Hitler.

@@kryoruleroftheninthcircleo4151Truex That is true. in fact, he killed more people than Hitler. Stalin was a terrible human being. pray that there is an afterlife and he is suffering now.

@@AnnoNymus "off all races" And I wouldn't blame the casulties on Hitler

@@AnnoNymus Tell that to the Soviet Greeks, lmao, Soviets only look good compared to Hitler, now think about that one.

While enemey at the gates is bad, i would say pearl harbor is worst. And this may even be worst.

@@icook1723 By pure cinematographic qualities The Fall is worse, but the fact it is 50 years older than the other two...It's true both Gates and Harbor are twisting the historical events to the point of "Lord of the rings (with tanks and planes)". However Harbor pushes up, making the good guys more virtuous than the smurfs. And Gates is insulting to the red team.

Мы знаем

@@icook1723 Gee's don't get me going on that one!

@@icook1723 OH NO! YOU MADE ME REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR. WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT TO ME?!

It is obligatory to have such scene in war movies with Soviets/Russians. It's like Wilhelm scream.

But not in that scale

That took place as the Germans were surrendering and stacking up their guns in front of Red Army soldiers.

It's not the entire city of Berlin doing it, I'm pretty sure it's just those Russian women in the Fuhrerbunker

It could just be a miscolored yugoslavian flag

i mean in a way it kinda makes sense since they are raising the flag that created the ussr

I would say it's a flag of the NKFD (Nationalkomitee Freies Deutschland). Even at the last planned postage stamps of the Greater German Reich the NKFD was portrayed

The Easter Front can be seen as two dogs fighting to who rides who

It began before the war ended and began further east, the Soviets raped their way into Berlin everywhere they went to get into Berlin they did this.

@Glebinator As far as I can tell, people these days are more aware of the atrocities committed by both sides and just because one side committed more does not justify the crimes committed in revenge.

Germany civilian losses are around 3 millions at all time and all sides, of them half-million died because of air-raids and half-million by the hands of Nazis themselves. Compared to 20 millions dead in Soviet Union and 6 millions in Poland that doesn't play towards such bullshit

@Glebinator It annoys me when former Nazi generals' biased memoirs are used to make the Nazis look better.

Ironic! Don't use this film for historical research, unless you are writing about the lies behind Soviet propaganda!

Pretty sure the accordion is just a popular instrument in Russia

Haha, I thought the same thing.

Oi, Chuikov was almost as big (in terms of importance) as Zhukov.

@@maximilienrobespierre7927 I Don't really know my generals. I just knew who Zhukov was because of "The death of Stalin".

I think its supposed to be Vasily Chuikov. I've not known about the guy until a HOI4 game, so I'm generally sure he's somewhat of an obscure person. The name similarity probably doesn't help either.

@@dac5782 He was one of the generals in charge of the defense of Stalingrad. There was an especially notable moment where he put his headquarters amid what both Soviets and Germans assumed to be empty oil storage silos. Needless to say, for some time he was cut off by all the fire. As far as I remember, he was also the one who negotiated Germany's surrender with Hans Krebs (that scene is also present in the movie Downfall).

@@maximilienrobespierre7927 Ah, thank you for the explanation there. My strong suit isn't exactly the particulars of the Second World War, as it's much more reserved for The Great War, so it really does help.

And he took of with no motors at all. Any problem citizen Stepounin?!

@@tomfu6210 Comrad Stalin can fly without motors !

@@mikhailstepounin9448 We are happy to hear it. Sign the papers!

I googled it. She was a journalist who was first with the Communists and then went on to work for Goebbels, the chief of Nazi propaganda. She was also a member of the Nazi party. Must be a very accurate book, I have no doubt.

@@artemgushin5228 begone tankie

@@SonofIiberty What a response, you really got 'em there, destroyed with facts and logic

@@Ignaciofinger thank you

@@SonofIiberty Yes, I really liked how you didn’t offer a counter to any of their points and resorted to name calling

Greece entered the zone of influence of Britain, so the USSR did not intervene.

@@Mentol_ You're right! Kind of: Greece being part of Britain ZOI meant that the war was pointless to start with. But Stalin chose to inspire it none the less.

*WAT THE FUCK*

Confederate Anne Frank? Oh god

Whole story is made up fiction

You've never heard of pregnant Anne Frank memes Kennan?

@@360Nomad Neither have I. Though to be fair I read her uncensored diary once in Middle School and when she started talking about her menstruation I distanced myself from anything involved with her...

Source: Arial 12 and Joseph Goebbels's propaganda

​@@jdm4198Joseph Goebbels was already dead at the time the book was written.

Ok

You can see the Russian soldiers dancing and drinking at the end of the film Patton, who, in the film, refuses to join in and is digusted by them.

You're not kidding.

All cinema distorts reality for dramatic or ideological reasons and it's quite illuminatiing to see an extreme example of this tendency. I thought the review was quite a good balance between clowning and more sombre reflection.

Film name ?

A movie from 1970s features humvees and computer generated fighters?

What kind of alternate timeline is this?

They probably were also still plentiful after the war at least those that didn’t go to the scrap heap.

Liberation was much better.