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Is Thomas Ronhaar cheating? 

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@JDisLimitless
@JDisLimitless Год назад
Please refrain in making any abusive/hateful comments towards the people within this video, I do not condone it nor is what this video is trying to achieve.. It is simply a discussion regarding recent events within the F1 community and how we can avoid doubting drivers entirely in future.
@slimstrait780
@slimstrait780 Год назад
Pin this brother. Don't let this disclaimer fall into the abyss of comments.
@TrueSonOfWalhall
@TrueSonOfWalhall Год назад
you should really pin this, took me a bit of scrolling to get to this comment
@wedgefeyhong9756
@wedgefeyhong9756 Год назад
Ronhaar to Minecraft racing.
@renezannini
@renezannini Год назад
Can you test the cheat?? So we can compare your evolution using that Sh!T... Please?? lol
@OK-fi4yq
@OK-fi4yq Год назад
trying to avoid facing criticism yourself
@LuizHartkopf
@LuizHartkopf Год назад
With the amount of money that is being invested into E-sports, it should 100% be played at an arena. Maybe even at some GPs. There should be a anti-cheating system implemented also.
@0nTheBrakes
@0nTheBrakes Год назад
the game actually does have a "form" of anticheat. If you have anything that modifies the game files in any way... like mods, you are not allowed to play online and your time trials wont count. This also applies to things like cheat engine, if its detected, the game wont let you do anything online. F1Sensor just seems to be advanced enough to beat whatever F1 22 system is to find malware.
@0xf7c8
@0xf7c8 Год назад
Anti cheats are worth nothing. It only stops the commonly distributed cheats. If they really wanted to cheat, if they are playing from home, they could no matter what. It needs to be on LAN with organization provided gear.
@drewpixels
@drewpixels Год назад
I think E-sport is fantastic idea ever since it started and it needs to be integrated with grandprix weekends leading up to the F1 race! And on Saturday after qualifying they should have an Arena at the circuit where all E-sports driver have their races there and setups that are set up with codemasters and EA themselves.
@saladpotet7872
@saladpotet7872 Год назад
If they like make the ESport happen at certain GPs, that might actually be a way to get more spotlight on it, and also promote the game. Idk why they haven't done that yet
@pietrekk1
@pietrekk1 Год назад
@@0nTheBrakes It's not good system. Still you can modify the memory of the game inside of your RAM. They should've used Battleye or EAC atleast to mitigate cheating
@zUnframe
@zUnframe Год назад
Frede putting ronhaar in the wall will go down as a legendary esports moment
@rubikvoncube3583
@rubikvoncube3583 Год назад
for sure
@DJA1599
@DJA1599 Год назад
Agreed. I actually was blown away at first as to why he would do that. But everything has come full circle now.
@harisserdarevic4913
@harisserdarevic4913 Год назад
@@DJA1599 I remember seeing it the day it happened thinking how much I disliked frede for it. I was cheering for thomas but now hearing all the new context around it everything has clicked
@internalpolitics461
@internalpolitics461 Год назад
​@@harisserdarevic4913it's always nice to see someone listen to an argument and change/ take on new beliefs or theories.
@macauleybrown3125
@macauleybrown3125 Год назад
It’s clear as day… he needs to be massively investigated
@DrQuestern
@DrQuestern Год назад
Good anti-cheat and zero cheat tolerance policy (i.e. lifelong pro ban for cheating) are things that are REQUIRED to run a successful esports. If codemasters and EA fail to ensure fairness it will really hurt its potential.
@f1ology
@f1ology Год назад
Needs investigation for sure but if he was using cheats at the highest level you got to question how much damage it done to F1 esports? As a series could anyone take the Codemasters game seriously ever again? I think honestly they need to build software EA/Codemasters and make sure that the game is cheat proof. Without that implementation then I don’t see a way forward in future
@PapaBear6t8
@PapaBear6t8 Год назад
@@DrQuestern First of all you need a proper F1 simulator, not this piece of garbage Codies put out every year and you need it to be at least at Assetto Corsa level of simulation... only then comes what you said above! Otherwise it's just like polishing the turd.
@DrQuestern
@DrQuestern Год назад
@@PapaBear6t8 realism doesn't really matter in terms of competition. Fairness does. I agree that realism matters, but it's already ok-ish and at least resembles f1. You can have a good esport in a fully arcade racing game. What is unacceptable however is the amount of bugs, glitches and overall state of the game and multiplayer. It's just baffling that year over year technical aspect just becomes worse, considering that its the same game and the same engine.
@F1_Gianni_96
@F1_Gianni_96 Год назад
How do they cheat in F1 22 esport’s is it via a mod?
@gallarrrd
@gallarrrd Год назад
I have such a big respect for Rassmussen right now... Taking Ronhaar out screwing up his own race just to make sure he did not win Esports unfairly is great
@Lastname6955
@Lastname6955 Год назад
Legendary move
@RPJ84
@RPJ84 Год назад
@@Lastname6955 Well sadly he lost the championship because of that move. But yeh Fred is one of the cleanest drivers, i was surprised he did that move but i get it now.
@matmica2702
@matmica2702 Год назад
@@RPJ84 exactly i thought he was mad,now it all makes sense
@Ansee7
@Ansee7 Год назад
but there is no concrete proof that ronhaar is cheating? All Rassmussen did was selfishly took out another driver who is better and quicker than him. If more evidence comes out in the future that proves ronhaar cheated without room for speculation then yes I will agree Rassmussen was right, but as it stands he is a sore loser.
@icedblxxd
@icedblxxd Год назад
@@Ansee7 He did what he had to do, it was a sacrifice for the others. Whether he looked like a sore loser or not, he played a big part in stopping an accused cheater.
@losmandingos
@losmandingos Год назад
I think he is honestly. When you look at the pace of ALL the Esport drivers, they are all within like a few thousandths of each other over one lap. Then you have Ronhaar. Obvs im no f1 game genius but just with the eye test you can tell something suspicious is there.
@keonxd8918
@keonxd8918 Год назад
Yeah, especially when he qualifies 3 tenths more than the 2nd driver on the grid when the 3rd driver is just a few hundreds away from the 2nd driver. Which for F1 eSports, is a lot, and he does it on a consistent basis
@Djentalman
@Djentalman Год назад
When every driver is within a gap of two tenths of the fastest time, and someone goes and sets a time that is 2 tenths ahead of that it just doesn't seem right at all. Very suspicious.
@keelanjones2726
@keelanjones2726 Год назад
0.2 seconds with same set up against the esports champion is very interesting. Mainly corresponding with the lack of wheel spin when accelerating at slightly higher speeds.
@pogmaster4559
@pogmaster4559 Год назад
We had been investigating this guy for a while. When questioned we checked "one" of his multiple machine's and it seemed like a clean boot. And when we asked to see the other he refused, we tried talking to his Manager but they were also very suspicious.
@willho4202
@willho4202 Год назад
@@pogmaster4559just for reference who are you
@SimoneMarra73
@SimoneMarra73 Год назад
I think it’s clear that Ronhaar is using cheats, but I also understand tnat, until investigations lead to something, we can’t be sure of it. However, his ability to get on the power much earlier than all the other esport drivers, and the ridiculous difference in the minimum speed he can carry through slow-speed corners are just not normal. He still manages to be much faster than everyone else despite having oversteer, missing apexes etc. In conclusion, I think Ronhaar has got the talent to be in esports already, but, in order to win, he seems to be using a slight boost in grip. It’s a shame that F1 haven’t started a full-scale investigation on this yet, but Codies needs to implement anti-cheats for the next game, because this is getting ridiculous now
@itzmk_
@itzmk_ Год назад
Its also difficult to investigate this stuff
@tobiaslumplecker7666
@tobiaslumplecker7666 Год назад
@@itzmk_ yep. They should just run it offline in an arena or at least require all of them to drive from their Teams headquarters. Doesn't guarantee anything but it would make it much harder to cheat
@zachbishop5421
@zachbishop5421 Год назад
Well those are the ways ppl cheat more traction and faster min speeds so it's even more damning
@BoliveiraNTPW
@BoliveiraNTPW Год назад
Codies is owned by EA, so no way they will spend money to create anti-cheats.
@tobiaslumplecker7666
@tobiaslumplecker7666 Год назад
@@BoliveiraNTPW they don't need to spend money on anti cheat to solve the problem of cheating in pro play. If they make Lan Events it should be fixed plus it should be better for the fans aswell
@SWendel03
@SWendel03 Год назад
Even if he isn't cheating, investigating drivers is always a good thing. In real F1, every aspect of the car and team is examined for cheating, the same should happen for esports as its easier to detect than the real world. If he's found to be cheating, a lifetime ban would be an appropriate punishment in my opinion.
@Ellipsis115
@Ellipsis115 Год назад
Yeah if you can go uncaught for years in actual esports events and be this elusive and cause this much harm where the whole grids annoyed at them then I don't see how you can just have them out for a few months or a year, it needs to be a massive deterent.
@DL-nn1ws
@DL-nn1ws Год назад
The “why” is best put by Karl Jobst in one of his videos about cheating: “Sometimes it’s those at the top that are most likely to cheat because they feel they deserve it or because they just lack that little bit extra to be the best” Especially in an environment with *lots* of money involved, the “risk” is meaningless. He’s always just been 1-2 tenths quicker which made this go under the radar for so long. Those 1-2 tenths make a difference but they’re not big enough to be caught *most of the time*
@claxxz1
@claxxz1 Год назад
Karl Jobst what a legend!
@calebhernandez4233
@calebhernandez4233 Год назад
another quote form him i like is, "good players don't cheat to achieve goals or times, they cheat to achieve those times faster" that has really stuck with me
@nuhni-no4ks
@nuhni-no4ks Год назад
I think you can also compare it to Master players in League of Legends, using Scripts to get Challenger. They are decent players and only toggle scripts in important situations so it's hard to prove.
@hexhiaa
@hexhiaa Год назад
and another common dream L
@Thalanir7
@Thalanir7 Год назад
In Jarno’s latest my team video and on his twitch someone make a joke that his plane was delayed because it didn’t have enough grip. Jarno then said “if only I had 0.015% more grip”. 18:10
@VentureCoinist
@VentureCoinist Год назад
damn I remember watching that Mexico incident and wondering why he got taken out. it makes so much sense now. thanks for making this JD
@Barntos
@Barntos Год назад
Did he win the Championship?
@jamarsimms1638
@jamarsimms1638 Год назад
​@@Barntosno Lucas Blakeley won the esports championship
@rubikvoncube3583
@rubikvoncube3583 Год назад
yeah I went back to look at that recently - at the time, most of the comments were talking about how Rasmussen lost his cool and was behaving childishly, but with this context his action makes a lot more sense. He was still in the wrong, but it seems that his decision wasn't unprovoked
@calussy8040
@calussy8040 Год назад
@@jamarsimms1638 He would of if the rest of the field was actively trying to stop him, obviously Mexico is just one example but I'm sure there were other times where similar things have happened to a lesser degree.
@BadWallaby
@BadWallaby Год назад
To be completely honest until these are held in a closed LAN with pc's set up by the event organizers, PSGL and others like it will have these issues. Whether he is or is not the door is open and they're just asking for it to happen.
@BeachJedi101
@BeachJedi101 Год назад
100%. The idea that people can compete for this amount of money in an unregulated home environment is laughable.
@nahuelarocalopez6827
@nahuelarocalopez6827 Год назад
ye, but the thing is that ronhaar doesnt want to do it lan bc he feels more "comfartble" at home. Like clearly if he goes lan hes going to be violated by everyone
@BadWallaby
@BadWallaby Год назад
@@nahuelarocalopez6827 everyone has their preference but honestly if he can’t show up he can’t win it should be that simple
@nahuelarocalopez6827
@nahuelarocalopez6827 Год назад
@@BadWallaby yeah thats true, if he doesnt show up he doesnt win it, this is pro league so it has to be a rule.
@RacingUnleashed
@RacingUnleashed Год назад
We don't have this issue. Our competitions are held in our racing lounges. No cheating possible.
@CRLRosberg
@CRLRosberg Год назад
F1 Esports needs to go back to lan events. I’m aware they weren’t perfectly run and being from home makes it more relatable to an audience in the sense of “anyone can do this” which they can, at a lan event you can’t cheat. It’s a completely even playing field and to me that’s the only solution
@richardkeler9170
@richardkeler9170 Год назад
Solve the problem: Esports should be taken more seriously, as the competition has been skyrocketing in the past 3 years and because of that the standards and professionalism of this "sport" has to increase as well. The races have to take place in a controlled environment and should be monitored by multiple people.
@willho4202
@willho4202 Год назад
I think having it played at on LAN at a small arena with a small crowd of a few hundred would add to it as well, I always feel the stream is a little flat without spectators. Obviously at the minute that’s only possible for f1 esports but it would kill any chance of cheating and raise the entertainment
@f1ology
@f1ology Год назад
I’m pretty sure Esports is done in a studio or teams factories if I’m correct? I’m pretty sure they are already done in a controlled environment
@dgsdhsdeuye57
@dgsdhsdeuye57 Год назад
@@f1ology mid year it was from home because of covid
@Yayo509
@Yayo509 Год назад
Have him race outside of his room. I think the result is going to be VERY surprising.
@0nTheBrakes
@0nTheBrakes Год назад
The Esports pro exhibition which got him into a Esports seat was all LAN, on their equipment and he dominated.
@nahuelarocalopez6827
@nahuelarocalopez6827 Год назад
@@0nTheBrakes when was that? bc Ronhaar said many times that he doesnt want to do lan bc he feels more "comfartble" at home.
@imcairoaguero_
@imcairoaguero_ Год назад
@@0nTheBrakesu don’t really know how easy is for people to cheat on this game.
@Remzly
@Remzly Год назад
​@@nahuelarocalopez6827 Which is a legitimate answer. If you've ever been used to a sim setup, then try another one you'll realize that you will be slower for a decent period of time before you can adjust. Same thing here where someone might be used to their own setup, and dont feel comfortable when they switch.
@aevionrokusho4868
@aevionrokusho4868 Год назад
But every other driver has that same handicap then.. so being comfortable at he’s own place is true, everyone feels the same that way. But it’s no excuse. and tbh it’s a shame they don’t race on LAN😢
@timhanel9564
@timhanel9564 Год назад
the way ronhaar is accused to use it, makes it easier to detect (because of the delta to the top guys) but imagine a "slower" esport driver would use it and not be first place in every qualifying session but still jumping like 5 or 10 places .. it would be even harder to detect
@f1andfootballfan993
@f1andfootballfan993 Год назад
He definitely needs to be investigated. Something just isn’t right
@tomralston7780
@tomralston7780 Год назад
POMPEY PLAY UP, PLAY UP POMPEY
@FLAMEalan
@FLAMEalan Год назад
BLUE ARMY
@Utube2Itube
@Utube2Itube 10 месяцев назад
It’s completely right as of today
@andreprinsloo7417
@andreprinsloo7417 Год назад
Agree, at F1 esports level, controlled environment, pc’s provided, game installed and verified by organisers and the game tested prior to the actual race event by the developers
@samgendler
@samgendler Год назад
In all honesty, a fully controlled environment (everyone on the same LAN) probably isn't actually necessary, though I would think drivers would want that since it levels the playing field against network glitches and the like. But racing on league-provided PCs that are tamper-resistant and remotely verifiable is not at all hard to arrange. If drivers want to be able to race in their bedroom and in their cockpit, that could definitely be accommodated with minimal risk of opening the window to cheating, especially without racers having to pay for custom developed cheats that are specifically written to counter the league's anti-cheat efforts. Between detecting tampering with the provided PC, collecting real-time telemetry for post-race analysis of anomalous performance, and requiring that network communication between the provided PC and the race servers all occur over an encrypted VPN connection that originates inside the PC, it can be made very difficult to cheat without requiring that everyone be in the same room.
@aevionrokusho4868
@aevionrokusho4868 Год назад
They have league provided pc’s for the cod league (cdl) everyone plays from home, except for the major tournaments ofc. I think it could be done for f1 esports aswell
@LionAndALamb
@LionAndALamb Год назад
I agree with you 100% that the ability to get on throttle so significantly earlier than everyone else *with consistency* makes the performances highly suspect. How can the people who run this series ignore this? I remember you having Ronhaar covered on pace in one of your leagues a few years back.
@0nTheBrakes
@0nTheBrakes Год назад
People do have the ability to improve. Otis Lawrence is getting better as well. Gotta remember how young these guys are and they do just keep getting better (to a certain point in age), but Thomas is still young.
@LionAndALamb
@LionAndALamb Год назад
@@0nTheBrakes I don't doubt he's improved, but even Lewis and Max get beaten in Q3 by their less talented/skilled teammates once in awhile.
@poof7492
@poof7492 Год назад
@@0nTheBrakes bro are you like dumb it would be like that someone in f3 would go instant to f1 and would have the highest overall speed of the whole grid by 10 kph hes 100% cheating
@harveyspecter1653
@harveyspecter1653 Год назад
If EA or codemasters really want to find out, they should use the telemetry of anyone they suspect of cheating and input it in their original game, let's say as some sort of automated input. If the car then spins or does other weird stuff then you know enough.
@affectedrl5327
@affectedrl5327 Год назад
Thats actually smart. But i dont know if they record the telemetry of the drivers that accurately. And then you have varying factors like the FPS of the client which makes the physics behave differently.
@machtmonk
@machtmonk Год назад
AFAIK the physics in this game are not deterministic, ergo the same inputs will result in slightly different outcomes. This was discussed under a different video and this technique is used in e.g. Trackmania but will sadly not work here. Also it would be insanely difficult as you would need to log the inputs at the wheels polling rate, which the game is just not doing.
@janbo8331
@janbo8331 Год назад
@@affectedrl5327 I'm not 100% sure what you mean. I've used telemetry software in Codemasters F1 games. Beta tested one for a good while. The game records a lot of different things that can be sent to a PC software even when driving on a console platform. I never felt any data was missing, there was everything from steering inputs to pedal inputs and you could dissect them how you liked. I spent a lot of time studying throttle inputs in wet weather in slow speed corners.
@TarawaS2000
@TarawaS2000 Год назад
EA doesn't care. A dude won the Madden bowl by spamming the the same play all game. He would also put a punter in at QB because he was left handed and would get a better animation on the run play to the right. EA is a joke of a company.
@xmixdx7351
@xmixdx7351 Год назад
@@janbo8331 yes but if you plugged that back into the game using some sort of script, there would be very minor differences that would lead to a completely different result telemetry data is amazing and super useful and accurate, but its just ever so slightly not accurate enough
@JDisLimitless
@JDisLimitless Год назад
Timestamps if you want to skip: 0:00 Intro 5:00 Q1 performances 7:00 PSGL Spain qualifying 14:08 Time trial 14:59 Suzuka time trial lap 17:00 F1cheats screenshot 18:06 F1 Esports 0.015% grip hack 19:20 F1 Esports Mexico incident 21:00 PSGL Spain race ERS usage 27:00 Final thoughts
@kyperactive
@kyperactive Год назад
Put this in the description instead, much easier to follow.
@dbracer
@dbracer Год назад
By the way, "1.015" means a 1.5% increase, not 0.015%. That's huge - a half-year F1 aero budget huge.
@EverSoPossiblyPat
@EverSoPossiblyPat Год назад
Props for just making an honest title haha
@MJoStriker
@MJoStriker Год назад
I just want that grip cheat so in my career mode if I get rain I have the same grip as the A.I. seem to have.
@willho4202
@willho4202 Год назад
Surely an organisation would be happy for him to come race at their facility for a little bit so he can prove his innocence. I just feel like things are stacking up against him to the point where it’s difficult to ignore and Jarno’s comments basically confirm it
@Jejking
@Jejking Год назад
@@leemartin3429 Ronhaar clone account detected.
@machtmonk
@machtmonk Год назад
Something similar was done with the csgo pro ropz. He was accused of cheating in FPL (an invite only matchmaking league for pros and very good players by a company called Faceit) by many pros, Faceit invited him to play in their office and his name was cleared afterwards.
@guyanaboy7
@guyanaboy7 Год назад
I really wanted a video like this. After PSGL Spain i went to twitter to see what people were saying. But i got no "actual" information. People who hate ronhaar saying he cheated, and his fans defending him. I like being able to see the full picture, thanks 🙏🏾
@connoroleary3932
@connoroleary3932 Год назад
they really need to introduce LAN esports like other games have, no cheating just pure skill, u use what ur given
@thijsvons2510
@thijsvons2510 Год назад
It used to be like that before COVID
@connoroleary3932
@connoroleary3932 Год назад
@@thijsvons2510 hopefully they reintroduce this, bet ronhaar drops far back in the grid
@zyn_id
@zyn_id Год назад
Even people who recently joined the community can see it: The last 3 rounds of the Spanish GP, Jarno with ERS + DRS vs TR with ERS Only. That's Crazy; even the gap in the last lap is more significant than before.
@israelbenitezjimenez533
@israelbenitezjimenez533 5 месяцев назад
Soooo this aged very well, presential event, and he is still a beast
@Eat-MyGoal
@Eat-MyGoal Год назад
Such a clever hack. Adding just a tiny amount of grip makes its use hard to detect but its impact meaningful. Fascinating story for someone who just stumbled across it via RU-vid algorithms...
@phokiii8327
@phokiii8327 Год назад
0:37 I slapped my ear thinking there was a mosquito
@zhzh3132
@zhzh3132 Год назад
I also felt quite surprised that he could make such great progress in this game. He just suddenly became a F1 esports champion fighter from no where.Until this video.
@GPitstra37
@GPitstra37 Год назад
Some lap times should be rare to achieve.. a Lewis Hamilton Singapore style.. a Senna Monaco.. a Max at Belgium. Sometimes their is just that 1 perfect lap that someone puts out at some tracks.. but it should be impossible to achieve it constantly as Ronhaar is doing.. what is sus is that Ronhaar is gaining time on corners and exits.. while Opmeer.. has more downforce and just can't get the throttle down
@nassargeorgio5309
@nassargeorgio5309 Год назад
imagine cheating in f1 esports and still losing 😭 i wouldn't think he's cheating tbf
@MegaSturrup
@MegaSturrup Год назад
Right?
@jangalaba4626
@jangalaba4626 Год назад
do you not see how that would be beneficial to not win everything? he's playing it smart, really hard to catch him, but a proper investigation will do the trick. Seems very fishy when in the barcelona chicane he gains 2 and a half tenths with a lower downforce setup...
@D-AM11
@D-AM11 Год назад
Imagine thinking pace is the only thing that matters when it comes to results 😭 Have you heard about incidents, strategies? Ronhaar has without a doubt been the fastest when we’re talking about pace. But that’s not everything.
@dominicansharingan
@dominicansharingan Год назад
If he is cheating, what is the cheat that he is using?
@deakksyy
@deakksyy Год назад
@@D-AM11 you don't gain 3 tenths in a corner in a competitive esports grid.
@jordanharris5013
@jordanharris5013 Год назад
Thing is as long as your a "good" driver. You can tune the cheats to make your time align with everyone around you. It's actually quite scary that it might be a few people in esports considering they race in their home.
@claxxz1
@claxxz1 Год назад
Just wow🤯 Mate i don't know how to thank you because at the moment you are the best thing that the F1game community could have had! the man who's working the most to change something in EA/Codemasters, this "investigations" videos are spreading so much awareness into the community, they're so great. and are also bringing together f1 sim-racers. It's been a long time since I've seen the community so united. in this case against cheating. (this regardless of whether Thomas is cheating or not)
@andrecarrato6359
@andrecarrato6359 Год назад
Man, someone that is clear and clean wouldnt generate that kinda rage as it was with Frede. It is, at least, suspicious
@khebazzz
@khebazzz Год назад
Its very weird that there is no 3rd party anti-cheat required for these kind of events
@teaguepot9744
@teaguepot9744 Год назад
F1 games need a system similar to the old NASCAR Racing 2003 game, basically no matter how modded your game is in NASCAR 2003, the whole field will always be automatically set to the hosts game settings, from acceleration to grip to any car performance thing you can think of.
@TrueSonOfWalhall
@TrueSonOfWalhall Год назад
The issue is that in the f1 games there isn't really that host thing where everyone joins on one server, everything is calculated on your device and results are sent to the other devices in the lobby so that they can show where you are on the track. That's why it's so easy to cheat, and it has caused issues before with drivers not seeing other drivers and crashing into them because of that, or everyone having good weather except for one driver who gets rain.
@reasonbeexd4642
@reasonbeexd4642 Год назад
i want to see him at LAN, thats all. Jarno drove so fucking great race tbh
@scottmeredith3359
@scottmeredith3359 Год назад
The most convincing element to me is the consistency. This is how most high profile cheats are caught, they can’t “fake” losing enough (so to speak) to allay suspicions. Hell, it’s how they got Bernie Madoff. No human is perfect everywhere, especially in a video game with so many variables affecting performance. A 2/10 gap is essentially a giveaway applied across so many tracks. I’m convinced.
@BeachJedi101
@BeachJedi101 Год назад
You said it. The solution is so simple. LAN. They’ve been doing it for decades in MLG.
@nahuelarocalopez6827
@nahuelarocalopez6827 Год назад
Ye like the did before covid, i mean if he races in haas factory that works too bc he is getting monitorint all the time and if they know that hes cheating but doesnt say anything it hurts haas image. But he doesnt want to race from the factory bc he is more "comfortable" at home
@n.anup89
@n.anup89 Год назад
Very well articulated video about the current happenings in the F1 esports. There could be one of the 3 reasons why Ronhaar is quicker than other: 1) He's legit fast. 2) Found some bug in the game and is exploiting it to give competitive edge over others similar to the 60fps one. 3) External means. Even if he's legit I think it baffles all of us how someone can be so faster in the slow corners and still be rocket ship on the straights. It would make sense if he's using high downforce and is quick on the slow corners but then would have higher drag and be slower on the straights which should have allowed the person following behind closer the gap.. If he's using lower downforce then how was he able to pull off a tenth or 2 in the final sector. It seems somehow Ronhaar has high downforce in slow corners and low downforce on the straights. Also the fact that sometimes he never hits the apex but still doesn't lose grounds is something to think about especially considering how quick he's able to get more minimum speed and getting on the power much quicker. You also don't often see any wheelspins, understeer/oversteer. Most of the time, the car is always planted to the track to perfection which is probably why he's getting these insane corner speeds.. It would be better for all if the next F1 Esports is held at a venue where everything in under monitor and controlled. If he's still fast and legit then props to him and F1 esports community owes him an apology. If he's not on pace in the next esports he can always say "this new game physics/gameplay doesn't suit his driving style".
@zilla9676
@zilla9676 Год назад
its great to have an actual former pro analyze these clips and give insight as to why people think hes cheating. Someone who been in the game and actually understands the game has so much credibility, doing a great service to the community
@ianfitzpatrick3231
@ianfitzpatrick3231 Год назад
And maybe, he just learned about the "extra rotation" from a certain RU-vidr... Idk who that could be Limitless..
@PPedroFernandes
@PPedroFernandes Год назад
Deleting the Q1 footage is honestly the last straw for me... I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but that just ticked me over
@ishowspeed_page4fans
@ishowspeed_page4fans Год назад
That is what we were all waiting for!
@jeremysimpson-b1y
@jeremysimpson-b1y Год назад
One thing I'd love to know is why does Thomas always race in his bedroom? Even during eSports
@0nTheBrakes
@0nTheBrakes Год назад
I don't imagine Haas actually provides a facility for their drivers, they cant even hit the budget cap for F1.
@nahuelarocalopez6827
@nahuelarocalopez6827 Год назад
@@0nTheBrakes They can race from ferrari facility too btw. If im not wrong jake did race in ferrari facility when he was racing for haas. But the thing is that Ronhaar doesnt want to race from factory bc he is more "comfortable" at home and that sounds weird already
@akp_6797
@akp_6797 Год назад
It needs to be investigated honestly its very very suspicious. Furthermore F1 esports should be LAN and I think there needs to be some kind of checks within f1 esports because this kinda thing needs to be monitored.
@sopvp7719
@sopvp7719 Год назад
I think its very important to at least investigate it instead of just hoping he isnt cheating and just ignoring him entirely. If this goes on for to long other people in f1 esports are going to be using cheats because its not even investigated.
@Haru_VR
@Haru_VR Год назад
I personally believe Thomas is cheating tbh. That aside, great video, you did a good job remaining impartial and I think that is very important when it comes to videos like this. Props.
@Utube2Itube
@Utube2Itube 10 месяцев назад
A bunch of people owe Thomas Ronhaar a f****** excuse
@ccg20001
@ccg20001 Год назад
No one has pointed out, the 1.015 esports grip hack, is not 0.015% as said in the video, it's a whole 1.5%!!! No wonder he can pull such a gap in every lap, as all esports drivers are easily within 1% of each other, he then has an additional artificial 1.5% gap on top.
@SELFVERIFIED
@SELFVERIFIED Год назад
Really hope he is not cheating, I am rooting for him in esports
@gumzinator
@gumzinator Год назад
Hope so, but the gap is too massive for that skill level.
@SELFVERIFIED
@SELFVERIFIED Год назад
Let's hope he agrees to race from haas factory or somewhere else just too prove he is not cheating. Really rooting for him
@GODxLIFTS
@GODxLIFTS Год назад
well , hate to say it youre going to be dissapointed ngl
@nahuelarocalopez6827
@nahuelarocalopez6827 Год назад
@@SELFVERIFIED I mean if he does that and he still dominates then thats it, he isnt cheating, buuut, he said himself that he doesnt want to race from haas factory bc he feels more "comfortable" at home. So thats already weird not wanting to race from the factory while the other 19 drivers have no problem doing so.
@taipizzalord4463
@taipizzalord4463 Год назад
@@nahuelarocalopez6827 True, tho playing on a new rig/setup will make you slower at first.
@zalanfarago2581
@zalanfarago2581 Год назад
Thomas did showed his wings in Q1. I saw it. I think this is why he started a new stream and deleted the first instantly.
@Pasi2580
@Pasi2580 Год назад
Why should he hide his Setup F1 esport is already over in F1 22
@Mario7746
@Mario7746 Год назад
@@Pasi2580 would be easier to prove he's cheating by using the same setup. Couldn't claim the plausible deniability that he's just using a specific setup that works for him
@MikeSavageF1
@MikeSavageF1 Год назад
@@Pasi2580 Reason for this is actually pretty simple, they can be fined for leaking their setups, so it is understandable that he deleted it. Despite that, there are too many other things that do not line up for how he's racing.
@aaronpalmer4997
@aaronpalmer4997 Год назад
The league needs to provide the PCs that they race on. They can then scan these PCs for cheats before races. This is what has happened with the CDL in Call of duty as they have online matches. 0% chance of hacking in that so surely its the way to go.
@OnBrandMedia1
@OnBrandMedia1 Год назад
Jarno said "0.15%" as well but you're both misstating it. 1.015x grip is 1.5% more - which is considerably more than .15%
@0nTheBrakes
@0nTheBrakes Год назад
I think at this level, 1.5% would make him ALOT faster than just a tenth or two. If he is cheating it must be less. I think .5% could give him this advantage.
@samgendler
@samgendler Год назад
@@0nTheBrakes Not necessarily. The extra grip will have no impact at all anywhere where the car isn't already right at the edge of grip, which is most of the track. It would only come into play in the tiny number of milliseconds at corner apexes where drivers are consistently right at the edge of grip. This is precisely why it only amounts to much of anything in the slowest corners of the track, when downforce has the least impact because it tends to vary proportional to the square of velocity. 200 milliseconds over the coarse of a lap seems very much in line with how much time cars spend at the apex of the slowest corners at most tracks.
@UzzyT.
@UzzyT. Год назад
You’re correct and Thomas being 1.5% slower would put him nowhere, but imagine if an extra 0.15% hack did exist and someone like Lucas or Jarno were using it, that would start becoming undetectable.
@kayy5290
@kayy5290 Год назад
Another thing that wasnt mentioned here, Ronhaar refuses to race anywhere besides home. Which could be for so many reasons, but thats just another thing to at least take in. I personally think hes cheating, Hes the record holder for times at so many tracks, Runs low downforces setups and has so much grip, and is faster than f1 esports drivers in race pace. Thats just too much for me. But I dont want anything to happen with it until its proven, I live in America where people are (Or should) be innocent until proven guilty.
@samgendler
@samgendler Год назад
refusing to race anywhere that can be monitored for cheating is pretty much all the evidence that is required. There's no good reason for that objection. If you want to be a professional competitor, you have to adhere to the rules, and being subject to monitoring that would prevent cheating is the bare minimum any competitor should expect. Being unwilling to race from a common location is reason enough to disqualify him, if you ask me, and not just from events where everyone else races in a common location. You either participate in full in the league or not at all.
@FerencKranicz
@FerencKranicz Год назад
but the one thing i dont understand, is ronhaar was insane at lan event too. i think its really 50/50 about the cheating.
@JobeRacing
@JobeRacing Год назад
Which lan event?
@0nTheBrakes
@0nTheBrakes Год назад
@@JobeRacing The esports pro exhibition that landed him his esports seat. I also watched it, and he did indeed dominate.
@samgendler
@samgendler Год назад
Being insanely good once is possible. Being insanely good on occasion is possible. Being insanely good over and over again with a consistency that defies probability is pretty questionable at this level - the other drivers at this level are too likely to have their own moments of equivalent genius which would negate his own. Deleting footage of potentially questionable laps and resisting calls to regularly race in a controlled environment would definitely add to suspicions, and we know that at least that first thing has happened.
@xCiasteczeKx
@xCiasteczeKx Год назад
@@samgendler The other thing is, that if he wasn't insanely good at first place, cheats would put him in the mix with other pro drivers and not 0.2 above everyone else.
@JobeRacing
@JobeRacing Год назад
@@0nTheBrakes oh no I wasn’t disputing, I just wanted the name so I can watch it myself.
@RahulJC
@RahulJC Год назад
so... as soon as jarnos face disappeared... i almost yelled yooooooooo. thanks for making these videos!
@tsuniso
@tsuniso Год назад
I like one quote from the video about cheating in Trackmania game. Maybe there is a case. "Great players don't cheat to get a good time. They cheat to get a good time faster."
@doubleboy2388
@doubleboy2388 Год назад
If I was an eSports driver and I thought very much that one of my competitors was cheating. Especially a guy who's right up there at the top about to win it all. I would be sounding the horn. There's absolutely no reason everyone should stay mum about this. Ronhaar needs to go to a neutral site, race on a sim that everyone knows is legit and has no cheats, and prove his skills there. Either that there needs to be a very thorough investigation into his driving, just like there was here. Breaking down the analytics and get to the bottom of this. Bottomline, find out if this guy is cheating or not! It's crazy that were even having this discussion about such a prominent driver.
@xmixdx7351
@xmixdx7351 Год назад
i reckon silenced by the brand essentially, or not wanting to risk it, jarno really wants to just complain on all his socials, but is constantly shushed by his engineer
@realalexsmith
@realalexsmith Год назад
Great video. Clearly there is an issue, the main thing being across all the tracks, its just not how driving works. Considering you can search for cheats and find them so easily the issue should be laid at the developers. Grip hacks should be possible to detect once the car is loaded so an esports game has to take this problem on especially with the F1 branding. Its crazy its been allowed to happen like this.
@Dolek135
@Dolek135 Год назад
Funnily enough, they guy you raced in China, Jernej, has been caught cheating.
@tobyrobertson8265
@tobyrobertson8265 Год назад
Ronharr is guilty clear as day. Why delete your own fastest lap from the leaderboard when you’re P1? It’s so obvious and other drivers know it too!
@dashappi1313
@dashappi1313 Год назад
Is it true that Thomas is the only eSports driver who competes in F1 eSports from his own home, while all others compete at team facilities? Again, this would just raise even more questions as to why he is allowed to even do this when all other drivers are competing out with their own home.
@pokeboi5438
@pokeboi5438 Год назад
Do HAAS even have such a facility?
@ericmcmanus5179
@ericmcmanus5179 Год назад
You know that F1 esports is becoming more like real F1 when cheating is one of the most talked about discussions during a season.
@virtual_GaRy
@virtual_GaRy Год назад
Wouldn't 1.015 be +1.5% not +0.015%? 0.015% I doubt it will give 0.2 seconds
@ViN86
@ViN86 Год назад
With how much money is involved in esports now, they should just issue each driver a locked down pre-built PC. The machines can be managed/updated remotely and there wouldn't even be a question as to whether a driver is legit or not. That way you don't need to wait for EA/Codemasters to fix/patch/detect anything, you just ensure that the field is running the exact same software.
@SebuTK
@SebuTK Год назад
I'm sorry but in this level of play, there is no "new level" to breakthrough to. It's at the peak already and if someone is consistently that ahead is seriously questionable.
@nathansoltis9966
@nathansoltis9966 Год назад
I think something you also have to remember is, since he is 17, he may have tunnel vision on the rewards of winning and the attention he could get from winning. It is very easy at that age to not think about the consequences of your actions.
@danieldorn9989
@danieldorn9989 Год назад
If there is no investigation, there will be no consequences for his actions.
@zentex5382
@zentex5382 Год назад
a 1.015 multiplier is 1.5%
@keonxd8918
@keonxd8918 Год назад
I found it suspicious that he's the only one that is able to do 110 Ai bots in the eSport challenge when everyone can at most do 109 or 108
@tavishverma5396
@tavishverma5396 Год назад
Mate i think you mean 110 ai whilst everyone else does 109 or 108
@tavishverma5396
@tavishverma5396 Год назад
But i agree it is hella suspicious
@keonxd8918
@keonxd8918 Год назад
​@@tavishverma5396 yeah I mean in that order
@kingjasko
@kingjasko Год назад
are there any instances of him ever racing in person (not from home)? how did he do? we could use that as comparison
@marcelluspowell2069
@marcelluspowell2069 Год назад
@Limitless How does his short shifting out of a corner play into this? For example, in the screengrab at 15:56 (and in the following screengrab of a different corner), Ronhaar is at 100% throttle before Lucas and at a lower speed, but he's also in 4th gear which would require more throttle than Lucas in 3rd gear to produce the same power. And its not simply that he "gets to 4th gear sooner" because his car is going slower than Lucas' when he's in higher gears. At the end of the Catalunya chicane, you can see he also shifts up to 5th before Jarno and at a slower speed (141 kph and Jarno is still in 4th at 145kph). Assuming he can produce the same power at 100% in the higher gear as other drivers can in a lower gear with less throttle, wouldn't he also have the additional benefit of not losing power when upshifting? On the other hand, if he can't produce the same power in the higher gear at 100%, wouldn't that be further indication that he might be cheating? TL;DR: He seems to short shift out of the corner when other drivers don't, which I would think is a significant difference in driving technique. Do think this might help explain his speed coming out of the corner or would this make him even slower and provide further evidence he's cheating?
@chrisleon98
@chrisleon98 10 месяцев назад
This did not age well...
@jackse82
@jackse82 Год назад
Its exactly the same as people trying to sneak cheats into the warzone pro tournament community. Loads of 'average players' call people out constantly, even people like myself get accusations / shadow bans due to bots mass reporting etc. But when other pros / people at the top of the game call you out, then you know your in trouble because its truly only that top 5% that can see very slight cheats due to knowing what is possible / information on positions etc when playing COD. Im not sure why he hasnt been made to monitor / setup cam, fresh reboot of windows, task manager check, and then straight onto a track to get the same lines / grip / lap times as he does when hes ''cheating''. Im not even an F1 player, i just see it pop up all the time, and its baffled me why its taken so long for something like this to be done to put it to bed, when someone gets called out in a tournament on COD, its there and then - Monitor check, task manager check, and sometimes a PC check, loads have been caught out. But when the bar is so high for F1 at the moment, the other pros know the limits of the car / throttle / track, and for them all to call something out, is screaming pretty obvious to me.
@ctone12
@ctone12 Год назад
Got a little awkward when Ronhaar hosted Jarno on twitch right after those comments 😂
@BlueBand3
@BlueBand3 Год назад
Lol it was
@kapa2909
@kapa2909 Год назад
And thomas came to his chat to say gg but jarno just ignored that comment
@pdxholmes
@pdxholmes Год назад
My guess is that he’s not running some third party cheat or whatever, but he’s figured out a way to edit the setups outside the parameters the game normally allows but that it also doesn’t validate. This is probably why he’s so quick to hide any chance of his setup leaking.
@remyga999
@remyga999 Год назад
I already thought about him cheating like 3months ago
@prominecrafter11
@prominecrafter11 Год назад
Why delete a lap if you are not cheating...
@legvalmont
@legvalmont Год назад
I think it's suspicious. Like you said, sure, everyone is allowed to improve. That's the end goal. But the signs of cheating are quite strong. For the next eSports series, I think it should be hosted on a controlled LAN where no other equipment is allowed inside the network save from the PCs and stewards computers. Also, drivers should use standardized gear.
@elvenmaiden7027
@elvenmaiden7027 Год назад
When you ask the PSGL mods what the league plans to do about it, they just say ''oh since F1 e-sports didn't investigate or discover cheating, PSGL won't be investigating either'' which completely tanks the legitimacy of their league. They were banning and timing out like 80% of the chat during the Belgium race because they were questioning Ronhaar.
@MoreLibz
@MoreLibz Год назад
Thanks for making this. 100% obvious, no doubts.
@pali1H
@pali1H Год назад
I've raced against some of the F1 eSports drivers in iRacing and it's hard to comprehend or explain how fast these guys are. I thought I was really fast with sim racing for 15 years but even at my best, these dudes are 3-5 tenths a lap faster, no matter the car.
@shaneryan9076
@shaneryan9076 Год назад
put them all back in the arena. Give them a different wheel rig every race
@samgendler
@samgendler Год назад
No, no. There's no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to race with their own control hardware any more than we force track and field athletes to all wear the same shoes. Don't give the drivers any reason to object to anti-cheating measures that are instituted, and forcing them all to use arbitrary rigs would definitely do that. There's not much cheating you can do via the controlling hardware. There's already no requirement for how much or little force feedback you use, is there, or how much play you calibrate into each control? So there's no good reason to prevent the use of any given hardware, so long as the drivers are audited and installed by the league in-advance. Plug in whatever cockpit you desire.
@shaneryan9076
@shaneryan9076 Год назад
@Samuel Gendler it's the way esports was before covid, it helps with connection issues too
@ramonjones16
@ramonjones16 7 месяцев назад
Lol his lines and shifting are much cleaner than everyone else. The only reason he's being accused is because people can't figure out how he visualizes tracks. Lol Like for example every 3 kph advantage you discussed Ronhaar is in a different gear than your comparison.
@TrplNine
@TrplNine Год назад
his fame was short lived bro, the truth is being revealed
@Danny_The_Goat
@Danny_The_Goat Год назад
Simple fix. Have a random cash prize tournament at a set location. Bring your own wheel. Everyone on a level playing field
@dmcmusic4576
@dmcmusic4576 Год назад
Thomas is the best driver in ESports currently and he is just a bit quicker then everyone else, it's that simple......
@STREET24000
@STREET24000 Год назад
Ikr it seems like people just can’t comprehend the fact that maybe Thomas is just better.
@10kirneh
@10kirneh Год назад
Him deleting replays and vods is what makes it the most suspicious, if you've got nothing to hide and you know for a fact that people are suspicious of you why on earth would you ever start deleting stuff?
@chrinbo6938
@chrinbo6938 Год назад
The effort put into this video was so good loved that you went into every detail 😉 , seems kinda sus to me
@maceocapietto4090
@maceocapietto4090 Год назад
Gotta be blind to think he isn't.
@Sr68720
@Sr68720 Год назад
Im accusing, the guy is cheating.
@danielkarpilov2419
@danielkarpilov2419 9 месяцев назад
Bro was so good literally everyone was convinced he was cheating
@gingermadman
@gingermadman 9 месяцев назад
He was both - he was definitely cheating but he was also that good. Same tale as a lot of guys at the top of their field who get found out.
@LordBurger
@LordBurger 8 месяцев назад
well theres a reason hes in esports, he is definitely a top 10 esports driver in all worlds. but when given the chance to cheat, he takes it because its easier
@EverSoPossiblyPat
@EverSoPossiblyPat 10 месяцев назад
All these comments have aged very poorly.
@Lawiholmz
@Lawiholmz Год назад
Becoming a verstappen in f1 with almost equal cars seems quite impossible.
@VolkanKurtulus97
@VolkanKurtulus97 Год назад
As his steering settings he plays 340 degrees instead 300 which is quite better feeling while driving thru racing lines along with it being much more physical and completely realistic. In F1 2021 300 degrees felt 100% better than 340-360 ranges but in this game it feels like im not even steering the car(rather than 340 degrees).Even in time trial his lower downforce setups gives the difference as in turn exit speeds, better racing line, I really felt comfortable while going to the limit of the car(with lower downforce setups). As he mentioned in barcelona Q1 lower downforce thru some corners should be more punishable but its not indeed. So i'll take it. But this game actually needs anti-cheat anyways along with its own servers in multiplayer..
@RustAce69
@RustAce69 Год назад
If this guys legit he’s literally the quickest esports driver to ever exist but I genuinely don’t think he’s cheating I think it’s got something to do with his wheel settings I don’t know why
@fishymaxim
@fishymaxim Год назад
Every beginning of limitless his video sounds like mosquito am i right?😂
@JDisLimitless
@JDisLimitless Год назад
Yup 😋
@hansvanoosterwijck5969
@hansvanoosterwijck5969 Год назад
Wait i'm not listening to a mosquito ?
@clean_cutzz4308
@clean_cutzz4308 Год назад
to test this give the other esports drivers the grip hacks and if they achieve similar times then it is obvious
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