You need to understand that God does NOT need your kindness. He can accomplish His Will through other people, the real question is, do you want to be part of the action or just watch from the stands. When you give of your (money, time, skills etc ) you grow in the Spirit because you're letting lose of the things that once controlled you. We have to remember, where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. What are we trusting the most? our bank account? comfort? Jesus?
Kaboom, Yes, God does NOT need your kindness, BUT God wants you to be kind.... You must realize that there is no commandment that pastors must be paid in the New Testament.....But the giving mentioned are mostly for your poor fellow Christians than for the pastors.....
@@reynaldodavid2913Jo yes, and the "poor fellow Christians" are those truly in need in the second and third world and the truly poor who are not saved (in the second and third world) but Jesus is trying to reach them. Jesus instructs -- love your neighbor as yourself.
The money is not the problem, the people is not the problem... the problem is when Pastors demand tithe, when they use the scriptures to tell people that is an obligation and that if you don’t tithe bad things are gonna happen to you, there is the real problem, legalism. We as Christians have to be generous that’s a fact.
The problems are ; we have mortal human beings who called themselves pastors using Jesus and God's names to steal from the poor and lied to them with no fear of God they claimed to be worshipping and no shame. Off course thieves and hypocrites have no shame of themselves not to talk of others . Armed robbers who called themselves pastors and the police , the government has not gotten hold of them to account . It is unfortunate .
Thank you John! This has racked my conscience trying to balance this into biblical and practical application: this has freed my chains of doubt on the matter, and I thank you! I can now give joyfully!
Even though he didn't specifically say yes or no, Give from your heart how the Holy Spirit directs you. Do not give to make a Pastor rich but instead give to support the needs of the church which includes the poor, missionaries, advancing the Gospel and church for finances. Any pastor who tries to put you under the law for any reason for their gain is a false prophet. I don't think Pastor's should live above their means, especially for those giving who can't afford to, but do because of their faith and commitment to the cause of Christ.
No one meets the standard of loving their neighbor as themselves. Even if you tithe it's not enough. We live in a fallen world where normal is very very selfish, so slightly less selfish seems amazing. We must submit ourselves to God, and seek God. Only God can change our hearts and renew our minds.
Tithing was an OT commandment. Jesus changed things..He said to "Give when Asked. " when you Seek Jesus EveryDay..He prompts you to Give when it is the Right thing to do. I always observe Jesus prompting within me..for who to Give to and how much to Give. He always Helps me do this.
kathleen Wharton, I agree with you... and the giving that is being taught in the bible is for your poor brothers or sisters in the church, NOT to the pastors....
@@reynaldodavid2913Jo correct, Not to pastors, but the Truly needy, like those in third world -- Not what America calls poor. There are no poor in America unless they are IRRESPONSIBLE.
I respect the contextualization Piper gives here. It's very concise. However, I never like how quickly this conversation can change, when speaking about tithing, from "giving to those ministering" (to pay a wage) to "giving to God."
I'm over here driving, trying not to jump out the seat ! This teaching truly expressed my heart. I was just debating with other Christians about this yesterday. No one could really give me a reasonable explanation of, why we should pay tithes. Some even said it shows obedience, faith, blah blah. So bless u for this revelation. God bless this ministry 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
@Happy Beaver That's right, and I question when pastors say they're not working cause God wants them to do full-time ministry 🤨.. Look at these so-called churches now, cowering, doing nothing for their members. Even when they're able, they're not open to the public in need.
Did you know that, concerning giving, or tithing, or prosperity, Malachi 3:8-12 is not the full counsel of God? It is an excerpt, quoted to the church for centuries (believe it or not), which is a misrepresentation of God's counsel. We've accepted it because that's what we have always been taught. Here are a few points to consider. -- Who did God appoint to receive tithes? God said, "And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth [the tithe] in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation (Numbers 18:21-23). In this scripture, God established who receives the tithe (the Levites), and why they received it (they received no inheritance, and they served in the temple). This assignment is exclusive to Levites. A pastor cannot assume this assignment, he has never been scripturally assigned by God to collect tithes, he is not a Levite. In that same sense, only a Levite, never a pastor, could ever serve in a Jewish temple. The church has not replaced the Jewish temple, and pastors have not replaced Levites. -- People are blessed when they give, not because of Malachi 3, which is based on the Law of Moses, an Old Testament law that has been replaced by Grace under Christ, at the cross. They are blessed because Jesus said, "Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you" (Luke 6:38). It is this principle of giving and receiving at work, when we give and are blessed. Not the expired law of tithing, which was required of the Jews (never Gentiles), and could only be received by Levite priests because they received no inheritance and were set apart to work fully in the Jewish temple. -- There is much more to this, such as Abraham's tithe to Melchizedek, Jacob's promise to tithe, the history of when and why the New Testament church tithes (there is actually a date!), and the biblical support for all these truths. To be clear, every pastor has a right to collect offerings in support of the ministry; I fully agree with supporting the church financially. But our giving must be godly. It is wrong to require people to tithe, contrary to the scriptures, then say that we live according to the scriptures. Three biblical truths, regarding tithing: (1) There is no scripture that authorizes anyone but a Levite to receive tithes. (2) There is no scripture that authorizes a pastor to receive tithes. (3) There is no scripture that requires a Gentile to tithe. If you're interested in learning more, I have researched and written about this in "Tither, You Are Free!" Blessings to you and your ministry!
lets us pray for the church leaders that preach we will be cursed according to Malachi 3:8-9 if Christians dont tithe while still saying that Jesus has redeemed believers from the curse when he became the curse on the cross (Galatians 3:13)
In the new covenant, giving our hearts(broken and contrite) is the primary offer to our Lord. Giving for the extension of His kingdom is an opportunity and not a favour. And He is not going to be pleased with us even if we give 100pct of our resources, without offering our hearts first.
well creflo, benny hinn, jesse duplantis, kenneth copeland, paula white, td jakes basically all these word of faith and prosperity movement might dislike this video. but i like to listen to joel osteen, and i know for sure joel never emphasizes on tithes, he rarely talks about it. sure his teaching may not be as deep as John Piper, but he avoid sensitive issues like a plague. so when you're trying to ridicule these so called prosperity preachers, you should've done more research
Joel Osteen doesn't take a salary from the church.. he is however, not a christ centered man. Tithing is commanded in other ways, Jesus says to be generous in your giving.
The whole reason there is a new testament/covenant in the first place is to SHOW US that we couldn't get it right. God is all knowing and all powerful, knowing us before we were born. So with that being the case, it couldn't be a case of him changing His mind or His plan not working. He did it as an example for US to see. So with Christ Jesus paying the debt of sin and doing away with the law, he simply just tells us "Just love each other and treat them how you'd want to be treated". You can't rob God of something that's His already, so it's not a matter of possession. Give your time, because unlike material things, time is permanent and priceless.
God is great. He is my great provider. Should I worry in giving my Tithe? I have lots of problem financially but I give my Tithes firstly because: I put my hope in Christ alone that He will provide my needs not the money that I have currently. Secondly, I want to help my Church grow and It is for the work of the Lord, the extention of His Kingdom (Gospel being preached to many people). Tithing and Offerings are necessary. We should do it not because we are told, but because we want to help and honor God. ❤
Ariannelei Endique you are not ask by God to pay 10% has a christain. You are paying it because of your lack of knowlegde on the old and new testament. Tithe was never 💰 in the old testament.so instead of paying tithe that you can't show bible chapters to support. Abbey what the new testament free giving then take that 10% and help your family and poor people. Even God said those who do are wise. He never said that about tithe that was farm produce not money
Ariannelei Endique God never asked the people to tithe 10 percent of their money...never. when you say you pay your tithes first because you have hope in God that sets you up for losing faith because one of your bills might come up late or unpaid, and then you'll be looking at God like, what happened? Psychologically the pastor knows 10 percent is locked in the believers head when it comes to giving. There is no commandment for tithing in the New Testament. One can give whatever they can afford 0% to 100%, and let's not forget time or a skill. There's people that sit in churches all across the world struggling because of this tithe first mind set while the pastor has a home with multi beds a baths. The bible says, my people perish for lack of knowledge. Investigate this for yourself.
Ariannelei Endique, You are brainwashed by the corrupt pastors and John Piper who is also corrupt.... He is juggling the scriptures that Christians should pay the pastors for their services.... 1 Timothy 5:18 (KJV) For the Scripture saith, “Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn,” and, “The laborer is worthy of his reward.” He also mentioned 2 Corinthian 9:7 where he meant that it was for the pastors but it was for the saints(church members) not pastors.... 2 Corinthians 9:7 (KJV) Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. But in verse 1 it says: For as touching the ministering to the saints, it is superfluous for me to write to you: The Christians in Corinth, were rich and Paul admonished the Corinthians to help their fellow Christians in Jerusalem.... It started in 1 Corinthians 16 : 1... Please read it till verse 3..... and you will know clearly that Paul was asking Help from Corinth to help the poor Christians in Jerusalem...... NOTE : These are the 3 most evil doctrine in Christianity.... 1. The doctrine of Calvinism.... 2. The doctrine of Tithing in Christianity.... 3. The doctrine of Trinity.... These 3 all came out from the RCC, the anti Christ church.....
Being the good Samaritan, loving our enemy, and having compassion for those who have been robbed and cheated is our responsibility as believers. This giving should be on a personal level, either by oneself or with a group, but not always just giving to someone else to do it for us. Sharing all good things with those who teach isn't only about money. Today, however, money, or something that can be converted to money, is the only thing most religious organizations want.
Giving is proportional to our love of God. God owns everything and He knows our needs. I think one of the reasons why many Christians are hesitant to give more is because most preachers emphasizes only the Old Testament principle of tithing. That 10% is a non-negotiable requirement. This style of preaching gives the impression in the believers' minds that they only need to tithe for compliance sake and that they'll have less guilt. If preachers would only preach the correct biblical tithing, that the New Covenant has even greater promises than the Old, that we have much freedom... I am sure that believers would definitely give more cheerfully.
the new law is love, the pastor is not the priest we are ministers of grace which manifests in generocity. freedom breeds love. duty, obligation, rules, sacrifice does not produce the righteousnes of God this is why we need a new nature.
My take on this is simply this way. Giving from the heart is born out of love and it will surely surpass 10%. For example, when you love from the heart, you do extraordinary than wjen you love from the brain, you apply logic . When you give 10% then you have given out of your brain, logic because you aint loving with your heart but brain. Carnally, anyone in love with a fellow wife do not apply logic and its why outsiders apply logic to view a couple in love with their minds and cannot fathom how they overlook their mistakes. Lovers from the head will always see mistake since he will apply logic. So, when you love God with all your heart, mind and soul, you will apply the love in giving from your heart. You will evetually out give those giving under law or compulsion. Same with tithing
@Tai Omotosho, In the New Testament the practice of giving is NOT the same in purpose with the Old Testament... In the Old Testament, All the eleven tribes of Israel should give to one Tribe... The Tribe of Levi because they were chosen by God to be the mediator between God and Israel... The Levites cannot own anything, and cannot do any kind of works except in the tabernacle of God.... God is Separated from them that's why Israel needed a mediator between them and God... In The New Testament Jesus Christ is NOT separated to the Christians(Jews or Gentiles), But Jesus is part of the Body, as the head of the Body... All the members of the Body are equal... The pastors and the least of the members are all equal and the practice of giving is NOT '''from other members to the pastors''', BUT '''from the rich to the poor''', If the pastor is more abundant than other members, he must be the one to give...=>>> 1 CORINTHIANS 12:12-28 (NLT) One Body with Many Parts 12 The human body has many parts, but the many parts make up one whole body. So it is with the body of Christ. 13 Some of us are Jews, some are Gentiles,[e] some are slaves, and some are free. But we have all been baptized into one body by one Spirit, and we all share the same Spirit.[f] 14 Yes, the body has many different parts, not just one part. 15 If the foot says, “I am not a part of the body because I am not a hand,” that does not make it any less a part of the body. 16 And if the ear says, “I am not part of the body because I am not an eye,” would that make it any less a part of the body? 17 If the whole body were an eye, how would you hear? Or if your whole body were an ear, how would you smell anything? 18 But our bodies have many parts, and God has put each part just where he wants it. 19 How strange a body would be if it had only one part! 20 Yes, there are many parts, but only one body. 21 The eye can never say to the hand, “I don’t need you.” The head can’t say to the feet, “I don’t need you.” 22 In fact, some parts of the body that seem weakest and least important are actually the most necessary. 23 And the parts we regard as less honorable are those we clothe with the greatest care. So we carefully protect those parts that should not be seen, 24 while the more honorable parts do not require this special care. So God has put the body together such that extra honor and care are given to those parts that have less dignity. 25 This makes for harmony among the members, so that all the members care for each other. 26 If one part suffers, all the parts suffer with it, and if one part is honored, all the parts are glad. 27 All of you together are Christ’s body, and each of you is a part of it. 28 Here are some of the parts God has appointed for the church: first are apostles, second are prophets, third are teachers, then those who do miracles, those who have the gift of healing, those who can help others, those who have the gift of leadership, those who speak in unknown languages.
Galatians 5: 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. Hummmm... seems to answer the question pretty good!
With bibles available and ability to read church attendance not essential Charity can be given in other areas God's goodness to all his creatures The sun shines on the righteous and the unrighteous!
No clear answer. For me, I give tithes, but not to my church. My church is supporting some projects that I cannot support so I collect my own tithes and give it to where the Lord leads. Is this ok or not?
HEBRAiST Helping the people in that way is always good. I think understanding what the bible says a tithe is, is key. The tithe is always food and never money in the bible. Start with the favorite Malachi 3:10 And pay close attention to the context. Then work your way back. Look at Deuteronomy 18 where these rules are reiterated. Then look at Deuteronomy 14, and just pay close attention to the context and you will see it.
The answer is no. Tithing is a part of the law and Christ fulfilled the law. The point Most people miss is that every aspect of the law points to Christ and his work on the cross. Tithing is no different. How does tithing point to Christ you ask?Simple, he is our tithe and offering. If you read in Deuteronomy about tithing you’ll notice that it talks about you were go to Jerusalem for two years, take a 10th of your crop and you were to bring it with you to Jerusalem. There were three harvest at three mandatory feasts that all Israelites had to go to so this occurred three times a year during the festivals. They were the lord‘s festivals and individuals were to rejoice by spending their money on whatever their heart desires praising God while rejoicing in the abundance that they have received. It says they were to spend it on meat and drink. Not just one but actually hard alcohol as well if your heart so desired. But on the third year they were to take a third of their tithe and give it away to the stranger to the orphan and to the window. Christ ministry started when John the Baptist baptize Him in the Jordan River. Rabbis were always anointed around Age 30 just like Christ. Christ ministered to the Jews only all the way up to the point He was crucified on the cross and offered up. Note, He in fact died on the third year Of his ministry. He is 1/3 of the Godhead (A picture seen in the 1/3 tithe). He died for sinners and was offered up in Jerusalem on the feast to “orphans“ sinners separated from their father in heaven, widows those without a husband that need a kinsman redeemer to redeem them, and strangers. Paul tells us in his epistles that we gentiles were once strangers, but now we have been reconciled to our Father in heaven. Jesus The messiah said he came for the lost children of Israel. In essence like the tithe They kept him all to themselves And rejoiced while he was here. But on the third year tithe or THEE blessing was bestowed upon the stranger the widow and the orphan salvation came to the entire world. An additional note is that scripture says that if the travel was too far for you because your abundance was so great that you could sell or trade your tithe for money to make the burden lighter so you can make the journey and rejoice before the Lord. A correct translation as opposed to money would be silver. Silver in the Bible always typologically points to redemption and blood. If you were far away from the Lord The blessing that you had received became burdensome just like the law. Which is what this represents. Those under the law were under a yoke. Jesus said come to me all you heavy laden for my burden is light. The blessing of the law was exchanged for Christ’s blood because it was a burden no man can bear. But when we exchange the first covenant for the new one, the old wine for the new Jesus takes on that burden through his blood. In the Psalms you’ll find a line where God says the entire volume of the book is about me. Jesus stated to the Pharisees in the Scriptures you seek for eternal life and they are with speak of me. You see the entire book is about Jesus, Jesus is God. He said I did not come to remove the law or destroy it, but to fulfill it. He said not one jot or one tittle will pass away until all is fulfilled. Every detail of the law points to Christ, he is an every Yod and title.... See the picture now? BONUS. Christ was sold for 30 pieces of silver by Judas. Remember what silver represents? Well if you read the Old Testament you’ll note that one of the 613 laws talks about a slave and their value. A man was worth 50 pieces of silver, a woman was 30 pieces of silver and the kid was 20. So why is this in there. Well the bridal price for a bride is also 30 pieces of silver. Christ tells us who the son sets free is free indeed. He purchased us with the 30 pieces of silver and his blood. He bought us at a price a bridle price. He also said we were slaves to sin he purchased us and then set us free. Praise God! All glory to Jesus!
I tithe. Don’t debate me. And hold your OT AND and NT talk.. I don’t see it as missing money because I would waste the 10% either way on things of the world.... I owe sallie Mae , pay rent and I have a car payment... regular human being talking .. And I have NEVER needed anything as God has ALWAYS provided. You CAN budget for tithes and offerings. So I’m not worried about a missed bill or if I overspent in Sephora one random weekend... in Malachi 3:10 , How I’ve received and perceived it...God says to “test me and see if I can’t give you abundant blessings”. When I started out those were my complaints too, about it being to much and blah blah. Have you tried? And if your holding on to the notion that “oh the pastors benefiting” and “God doesn’t use the money”... you right, he doesn’t want your money. It’s not yours to begin with. He gave you that job to be able to make the money, right? Why do you care if someone is misusing the money, or maybe you’ve forgotten that all things work together for good to those who love God.. When you view it like that, it isn’t hard AT ALL when you give from the heart...
Tithing nowadays doesn't mean it has to go to the church, it means that as your income comes in you give a certain amount to the lord.. whether it be missions, poor folk etc.. I agree with pastor John but it leaves giving according to your spiritual awakening or understanding... Rick warrens very practical steps on how to manage money.. help in disciplined Christians to set aside money for others, then for savings and then daily living..many Christians are very, very ungenerous!! So practical steps help!!
Here is one thing that makes me question the sense of tithing being a requirement for Christians. Many of the churches in the NT were a mix of Jews and Gentiles. Why would tithing be required of Gentiles who never were under the Old Covenant? I cannot recall anywhere where a NT writer tells Christians to tithe.
Pastor John doesn't need to beat around the bush here. Simple answer. No. Why? Tithing was an old testament law of Moses which Jesus Christ freed us from because of his death on a cross which freed us from the law. New Testament Christians are not commanded to tithe. Tithing is between the believer and God. If the believer is comfortable and at peace with giving 10% then Ok. The New Testament Christian should follow 2nd Corinthians chapter 9. Pastor John, answer the question without beating around the bush.
It sounds to me he makes an appeal for no you don't need to do the tithe! But for 100% sure you give because of love for Christ But he does not give a straight answer on this but it is pretty clear I believe
That's a good message, but it still leaves ALOT of questions unanswered? Since the curse of the law is gone for those in Christ, redeemed by faith alone in grace alone by Christ alone. Is God going to punish those who give less than the 10%. Some would say that God's going to take it out in Dr. bills or some nonsense like that. So the blessings of giving remain, but the curse for not giving was taken to the cross. I believe in giving to God and His work. I have benefited from the generosity of God's people when I served as a pastor. I have also given to support pastors. It's just crazy how there can be so many views from godly people on both sides. I want to be spot on when it comes to this issue. The New Testament doesn't seem to put much emphasis on the tithe at all, mainly of free will giving as the Spirit leads. But many pastors beat the tithing drum because they have to keep the machine running. Many people must feel condemned when they can't check their tithing box. This is my concern on how this is being taught. It's either grace or law, no middle ground.
Brandon Ross, Definitely Tithing is for the Israelite Only, in the Old Testament Only, in the land of Israel Only.... There were Only two(2) sources of income that should be tithe in the that time: The increase of crops in the LAND of ISRAEL, and the increase of cattle in the LAND of Israel...... Money was never used to Tithes , though money was already in circulation in that time... In the Christian era, The commandment of Giving are MAINLY for your fellow poor Christians, NOT to the pastors..... Pastors who collect Tithes don't have a Godly motive in their hearts.....
If you give generously then you will be blessed by God for being that kind (see 2 Cor. 9:6- “he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully”). It is not because of your tithe that God has given you back the increase and blessed you, it is because of your love and generosity. You see, if the churches today will practice tithing, we will be disqualified from the principles and practicality of the commandment. What we give to the church that we deemed as tithes are not the increase of the land from where the people in the Bible got their tithes from. We took it from our salary. Our salary is not the increase of the seed (or crop) that the land brought forth every year (see Deut. 14:22). Salary in Bible is called wage(s), and nowhere in the Bible that believers are commanded to give tithe from their wages. I will not discuss further the practice of tithing in the Old Testament. I will rather explain why tithing in the churches today is a violation of the precepts of giving in 2 Cor. 9:6-8. A tithe literally means a tenth portion of a whole (or 10%). If we give lesser than 10% it is definitely not a tithe; and neither it is if we give more. A tithe is a tithe (10%) in its definition, and it is what it is; hence I said that it violates the principles of giving in 2 Cor. 9:6-8. The apostle Paul writes- “Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver”(v.7). So if we practice tithing then we will be violating the pretext of giving as we “PURPOSETH IN OUR HEARTS”. Why? Because if a believer wants to give more than he ought to tithe then it’s a violation of the tithing rule. It’s not 10% anymore if you give more than you ought to tithe, nor it is tithing when you are giving less. In context, tithing only limits the giver of his ability and generosity to give. The giver cannot give more than 10% if he wishes. Whereas, if he follows the giving principles of 2 Corinthians 9:6-8, he can even give 20% or more, or whatever he he wishes from his abundance. You see now why tithing cannot be practiced in the church today? Because it violates the giving principle of 2 Cor. 9:6-8.
Michael Basumatary, Do not be deceived by sweet words.... There is No Tithing in Christianity, Neither is there a commandment from God to pay the pastors.... The Giving mentioned in the New Testament are mainly for your fellow poor Christians Not to the pastors.... Piper is a deceiver.....
@@reynaldodavid2913Jo true that Piper is a deceiver. The truly poor are in the second and third world, not in America. American so called poor are Irresponsible.
JESUS said HIMSELF " FREELY you have Received, FREELY Give " ... TRUTH!! It ISN'T YOUR Money, it is HIS, just remember THAT and be Good Stewards of HIS Provisions!!!
Tithing was initiated before the Law in Abraham (and probably Abel). It was always an act of worship; it should be lavish and from an adoring heart. It was given to God to be used for the temple and support of the priesthood. It was 10 percent (or 20 depending on how you calculate it) plus there were to be free will (what ever you felt in your own heart) offerings for different things. Tithing and joyful generous giving is the norm. Jesus Himself "commanded" that those who proclaim the gospel should live of the gospel (I Cor. 9:14). What should we support the gospel with? There was no change of amount expressed from OT to NT because it was intended to be carried forward as it was before the Law to the Law and beyond the Law to grace.Tithing is still the norm for supporting the proclamation of gospel, (note that Paul bases his conclusion "don't muzzle the ox", on the OT) which includes the buildings and their upkeep that we gladly use, and generous giving is exercised when ever and with how much we desire, i.e. for the poor (Mk. 14:7; II Cor. 8-9). Tithe and offerings, God's standard, demonstrate the starting point of our giving not the outer boundary. He says it is the minimum expression of giving as a part of our worship. If we use the Law as a standard (not for compulsion) for what love is (how we treat our brothers, etc.) in so many other areas, why would we not use it in regards as to what God has said is good in His sight in this area? You can choose your own standard, but God's is better. I choose God's choice for my financial act of worship and support of the kingdom on earth. Tithing and hilarious giving (II Cor. 9:7), no better way. God will certainly judge us regarding our giving. Best, as always, to conform to His standards.
I diasagree..Paul explicitly stated the way we are to give as the church: according to how we have prospered and willingly; there's no need to articulate a new way. Blessings.
Amen... Law is spiritual and holy. What we think is unholy... Paul was not against the law or didn't nullify the law but upholded it .. in Romans it says ,should we continue in Sin? So that Grace may abound.. No. In grace we never sin ( trangress the law). What God has commanded us to do , better we add nothing to it or take out anything from it. Adding makes us more righteous than God, we become law giversi.e violating the first commandment, and remove anything makes us unrigtheous or rebel.. God's way is best.. Ox muZling is from the old testament that Paul quoting.. in Paul times.. Law was known to people.. Paul had to turn their minds to love and mercy. and now people talk about love and mercy but do not know the law of God... Law of Christ is still the old testament commandments because it was given by Christ himself...
Abraham tithed the spoils of war. He also gave the remaining 90% to the kings of Sodom and Gomorrah. There isn't one scripture in the NT that says a Christian must give 10%
10% comes from your brain 1-100% comes from the Heart. You want to go under the law not to the Grace of God..All of you who are giving tithes quoting MAL.3:8 and You quoted 2Cor 9:7 but still you insist TITHE w/c is 10%.(how about your 90%?)where is the FAITH there?? Give me verse that JesusChrist teaches gentiles nor Apostles to give tithes.! But Giving was preached by Apostles like Paul for some Churches not tithing(with cursed as Mal.3:9that have been abolished when JesusChrist died on the cross.the old covenant has been replaced by new.And wjen JesusChrist died,Apostles never teached to anyone about tithing,or we should tithes except GIVING..and principle of giving is not what Abraham did.someone of you says,by Abrhams faith he gave.i dont think so.,if Abrahams faith is just only 10%,then thats very sad story.He gave it came from his Spoils,yes it is blessings from God but dont say by faith he give tenth percent.if by Faith,then everything Abrhams did we ahould did too by example of his Faith to God..if Abraham fasted 40days by his faith,then we all should fasting 40days,is that what you want to say??YES Fasting was preached but from our own faith and from our own will we must fast not from the faith of the old ones as example.same as GIVING..we must give according to our heart,no compulsion..2Cor9:7..very CLEAR,,!1-100% giver not 10%limited giver with cursed..
Dear All, To me, Tithing is about giving glory to the God and loving him with all your heart, your mind and strength. Please ask yourself, is money bigger than God? Is it bigger than the body of Christ? Before the law was given, Cain and Abel offered to the God, God accepted Abel's offering but not Cain's, because he was giving with wrong heart and may be out of compulsion. The Lord said, Sin is crouching at your door but you must rule over it. Pray for the wisdom and the holy spirit. Holy spirit will fill you with joy and understanding when you are giving. For me joy is the key, my love for God is the key. The Lord says I will write my laws in their heart and so you will know what is the right thing to do in accordance to the scriptures. You will give out of joy in your heart and not so that you can expect to receive ten folds and have prosperity, the Lord will do so if he is pleased and in accordance to his will. Remember the poor lady’s offering in Temple of Jerusalem, she was praised by Jesus. Give with right heart, give while practicing justice and mercy. Furthermore, it’s not our job to decide what happens with the tithes, it’s for Pastor to answer to the Lord if they use it for their own prosperity or for the glory of the God. Leave the judgement to the Lord. Please get down on your knee and pray to the Lord for understanding and Holy Spirit. // Some scriptures Poor lady offering - Mark 12:41-44 Gift at alter - Matthew 5:23 Scolding pharisees - Mathew 23:23 Cain and Abel - Genesis 4 Robbing God - Malachi 3:6-12 P.S: I am an IT Engineer not a Pastor. :)
You make a good case for giving offerings. There's no such thing as a biblical tithe that was received from monetary wages. Tithing were "payments" that weren't received as money under Mosaic Law. Blessings in your giving!
if you truely follow God's standards then follow LUKE 10:27-love the Lord with all thy HEART..not all your BRAIN.Again.10% comes from your brain,, 1-100% comes from the HEART..dont be hypocrite. thats why Apostle Paul teached 2COR.9:7..Willingly giving,Cheerful giver..without limit,without digits,without the cursed..as Malachi 3:8-9 preaching by your corrupt Pastors in your church.
You quoted mal3:8-9 again Giving cursed doctrine to all who do not practice tithing..You with your corrupt Pastor putting in VAIN the death of Christ by your Cursed teaching..10% is that what you called giving your all heart to God?read LUKE 20:27,if you love the LORD"all thy heart then it is-Without LIMIT!! Again 10% comes from your brain 1-100% comes from the heart..dont be HYPOCRITES! FOLLOW 2COR9:7 not twisting the MAL.3:9 for US Christian who are saved by HIS grace.. in MAL3:9 and in MATTHEW where Jesus talking to the Escribes,He wasnt finished offering His life,and when He died,we are all EQUAL no jews and greeks and we are save by His grace!then afther that,the Apostles never preached or teached we must give tithes for us to be SAVED! tithing has no issue on SALVATION..dont put the Gracious name of JESUS that we are claimed by baptism thru Holyspirit and Water baptism put in vain...Come out from your wrong teachings of salvation thru that MAL.3
Give of a loving heart, Jesus praised the poor woman who gave two bits over those giving tons of money because her heart WANTED to give. This is where I am against my pastor on this who insists on a tenth. Paul never talks about a specific amount..and more importantly Jesus didn’t. God wants us to give out of love not obligation!
Many do not understand what (Deut.28:1-14) involves, when it comes to all of those blessings, The Lord promised to Israel. They think that if everyone just paid their tithes, these blessings will follow. That is incorrect doctrine. What do I mean: In verse one, The Lord said "do all His commandments." This wold mean (1) keeping the Seventh Day Sabbath. (2) Paying not just 1st tithe, but also a 2nd tithe, in order to keep THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES. (3) Pay a 3rd tithe, every third year, for the ministers, the widows, the fatherless and poor. (4) Not observing pagan holidays: New Years, Valentine's Day, Lent, Easter, Halloween's Day, Christmas and Sunday, etc. The above and more R the clear commandments of The Lord, in order to receive all the blessings in (Deut.28:1-14). That's Y U got to not just read the word of God, but study, believe, and do it.
I am a 83 old widow. I have barely enough to meet my monthly obligations.i live on SS and a small monthly check from my deceased husband. My christian leader says I should trust God and pay my !0 % He suggested I give up my internet and cable,also toilities, I feel it un wise not to pay my monthly bill,because I know if I get behind they will turn off my electric, and water. I have no family help. Is this right.
Any pastor who wants you to live in poverty so that his church gets 10% of your income is evil. Is the church going to pay your bills when your electricity gets turned off? What sense is there in tithing if you're just going to be asking the church for money later? Think about it. No good pastor would do that to his own flock!!!
The church the body of Christ is not commanded to tithe. Not one verse in the New Testament commands us too. Period!!! Simple answer 🤷🏽♂️ John Piper 🤦🏽♂️
"Love fulfills law" is a good and valid quote. We are free to give, not bound to pay. Yes, we should support our local churches. No there is no curse for not giving 10% of our money (or anything else). It is more blessed to give than receive. Tithing under Mosaic law wasn't giving. It was a compulsory from of taxation, now long obsolete.
I wish these pastors would give up the idea that Christians are obligated to pay a money income tithe which was never required even in the old testament. Why cant they just teach being generous without allowing that nagging compulsion idea of any certain amount.i will give with joy until i sense someone has decided beforehand what they think someone should give and not blackmail people by saying if you really love Jesus you would give all you have or you are selfish
Two thumbs up for the truth! It’s about time evangelical leaders speak up on tithing! Although not entirely necessary, It would have been good to address the abuses the false doctrine of tithing has produced in the lives of Christians.
In Jacob's dream, God said He's giving Jacob the Promised Land. In response, Jacob makes a vow to give God a tenth of what God's giving him, so Jacob vowed to give God a tenth of the Promised Land. In Leviticus 27:30 God says a tithe of the Promised Land belongs to Him, because it did, Jacob had already given it to Him. This verse isn't a command to tithe, it's a statement of ownership. In the next verse, God gives instructions on how to redeem the tithe. The entire 27th chapter is about how to redeem property that's been given to God through a vow, so this confirms that the tithe was given to God through a vow, Jacob's vow. It's a shame nobody realizes that Jacob's tithe and the Levitical tithe are one and the same, and that God never commanded the Israelites to tithe. TheIsraelitesDidNotTithe.com
Kurt, then you are calling God a liar. He wrote this clearly that it was commanded to the people of Israel to tithe to the Levi Priesthood under the Old Covenant Law. Read for yourself, found in KJV, Heb 7:5.
@@ralphborroel5684 Heb 7:5 says God commanded the Levites to collect a tithe. It does not say God commanded the Israelites to give a tithe. It's worded that way for a reason. Jacob gave the tithe to God and God gave the tithe to the Levites. Since the Israelites harvested the tithe, God commanded the Levites to collect it from the Israelites. It was a transfer of possession, not ownership. If you really want to impress me, show me somewhere in the Old Testament where God commanded the Israelites to tithe. And remember, Leviticus 27:30 is clearly a statement of ownership, not a command to tithe. Consider this: If God only owned 10% like he said in Lev 27:30, then the Israelites owned the other 90%. They owned it via a covenant that God made with Abraham. The covenant covered 100% of the land, not just 90%. So if God had commanded the Israelites to give him back 10%, then he broke the covenant. The only way for God to own 10% without breaking the covenant would be for someone who owned the land to FREELY give it to him. And Jacob did just that. Stop trying to make the Bible fit your understanding of the tithe; try making your understanding of the tithe fit the Bible.
Were stand alone church that believing ONE LORD,ONE GOD,ONE BAPTISM in the name of JESUS.,Recieving Holy Ghost as Obeying ACTS 2:38..How come that no one here in Phillipines accepting us for affiliation,,by that issue..Tithing..?is tithing required for GOD'S SALVATION ISSUE??I think not.
@Ralph Borroel he is correct because God only required the landowners to tithe to the levites.if you worked a trade or was paid wages or fished you were not required to tithe because that was produce of mans efforts so that was why money was never involved with the tithe in itself
I hate this whole question. If we’re going to get caught up in semantics, and say that the tithe was only required of Israel to support the temple service and such, so as to let ourselves off the hook, then we aren’t looking at the entire issue correctly. We need to give generously of our money AND other resources, not because God needs our money but because we need to be dependent on God and not money. Giving is for our benefit, not to appease God. Tithing, offering, giving, whatever you want to call it, we should do it. (Yes, I am aware that the word tithe means “tenth.” I see no reason to use that as an excuse not to give.) People ask too often if Christians are “required” to do this or that. It’s the wrong question. The question is not “do I have to do that,” but “how can I love and follow God more fully?”
@@bradwagner6876 , Matthew 23:23. Please, do not take this verse out of context. Jesus was condemning the hypocrisy of the pharisees. You can see from verse 13 up to 29 that Christ was raining the "woes" on them. Now read that verse again; underline the word LAW in "...the weightier matters of the LAW." So, you can see that tithing was under the law, we are under grace, and Jesus taught us "Giving."
Is tithing under grace? No Is tithing for Christians? No Is God's tithe monetary? No Pastors, are they Levites? No Did the Gentiles pay tithe? No Is church the biblical storehouse? No Should tithe be eaten outside Israel? No Tithing, was it meant to pay church bills? No Did God command non Israelites to pay tithe? No Should tithe come from outside the land of Israel? No Did the Levites had an inheritance in the land of Israel? No God loves Cheerful Giver Some unspiritual pastor say If you don't give You are thief What Who is the real THIEF We should help our Pastor in times of needy Yes We should Give more Money Helping to increase the Kingdom Of God We all should Give cheerful from our heart
Odd that this basic concept of tithing has been complicated by people on both sides of the argument. Are we to tithe now? Of course not. Are we to give? Of course yes. So what is the rule? The rule is very simple: Romans 14:23 kind of sums it up: "and everything that does not come from faith is sin".
I have friends that believe tithing is a part of the Old Testament Covenant, but tithing preceded the law (Genesis 14:17-20). They site 2 Corinthians 9:7 as an argument against tithing - every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. What most fail to realize is this scripture has nothing to do with tithing. It is about helping other saints. Paul starts the chapter by proclaiming his confidence that the Corinthians will help other believers. “1 For as touching the ministering to the saints, it is superfluous for me to write to you: 12 For I know the forwardness of your mind, for which I boast of you to them of Macedonia, that Achaia was ready a year ago; and your zeal hath provoked very many. Can it be any more clear? We are to help our brothers and sisters in Christ, but let us do it, not begrudgingly, but of a cheerful heart. It’s yet another example of the enemy twisting the truth as he did in the garden. As much as I’m distressed by this misinterpretation of the word, I’m also concerned about those who believe they can tithe 11, 15, or 20 percent. It represents a subtle drifting into works that denies the truth of God. Less we forget, his word is settled in heaven (Psalms 119:89) Saul is a great example. God commands Saul to destroy the Amalekites for their disdain of Israel as they were leaving Egypt (Genesis 15:3). But what does Saul do. “Saul and his army let Agag live, and they also spared the best sheep and cattle (1 Samuel 15:9) The sheep and cattle, as the verse clearly states, were the best of the flock and would make an excellent offering to God. “But I did listen to the LORD!” Saul answered. “He sent me on a mission, and I went. I captured King Agag and destroyed his nation. 21 All the animals were going to be destroyed[e] anyway. That’s why the army brought the best sheep and cattle to Gilgal as sacrifices to the LORD your God.” (1 Samuel 15: 20-21) Like Saul, most believe they can bring God something better than what he requires, but they error. They can do God a favor. Like Saul, a good offering is the wrong offering when it’s not what God says he wants. For this reason, we know that obedience is better than sacrifice (1 Samuel 15:22) And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. God only delights in what He said. Bring God what He wants and He will be pleased. Did we not learn as much from Cain? The 11, 15, 20 percent tithes teaches us that our works, our offering, is better than what God says he wants - 10 percent. Anything more than 10% is simply an offering. If we are not careful, we lead the congregation to value their relationship based on who “tithed” the most. This is a dangerous lie from the enemy. Jesus is out tithe to eternal life. Jesus is what God wanted. Anything more is works. Bring our 11, 12, and 20 percent tithes all we want, but it will not give us salvation. My wife loves a Pepsi with peanuts in the bottle and once wanted me to buy her a Pepsi and peanuts. Since Coke, in the minds of many, is a better product than Pepsi, I purchased a Coke and peanuts. I gleefully returned to the car with the Coke and peanuts. In my mind, I went above what was required. To my surprise, my wife was furious. She hates Coke and would not drink it. It was not what she “said” she wanted. Why should God be any different? We often forget that the forbidden tree was one of the knowledge of good and evil. The good things we do, if they are what God requires, will lead to death (Genesis 2:16-17)
In my opinion on tithing is, it's up to you and yours faith, for moi, it's was considered a spiritual lottery ticket, you can't win if you don't play!....Everything crystal ain't clear The HIGHLANDER
I lately came to the simple truth that tithing is not a commandment, there us no proof in God's word. God wants us to be cheerful givers and give from our heart and also give whatever is in the goodness of one's heart "without putting one self to a point where it may hurt ones finances". If one gave a dollar and that made that person grateful, thankful and joyful because that is all one can give, that person will be blessed as much as one who is able and wants to give huge amounts of money because he could. God would never want to hurt one by demanding we must give a certain percentage. One quick question; if those who say they live by an old commandment of tithing, why aren't they living by all other old testament commandments? Just saying....Peace
If a pastor is receiving a salary from his organizational denomination that is his wages of which he deserves. The joy of cheerful giving should be used not to "double pay" a salaried employee of the church looking for "double pay" to fleece his own flock, but examples of our brothers and sisters in our communities and congregations who represent the needs that the Levitical priest hood had because the giving to them was because they were the brothers of the other 11 tribes who were granted portions! In the old testament, however, the greed was so high even then they continually refused to even do that then.
I like the idea of tithing but I don't like the theology that I hear nowadays about it. I think the main question is how do we financially support the people who serve us in our local church? When we ask that question we see that the NT has a lot to say about the topic. 1 Corinthians 9:1-18 is very conspicuous about it, you just cannot miss it. Note that Paul uses the law (Deuteronomy 25:4) to press home the point that he is making. In simple terms, Paul is saying that whatever that was done then to support the people serving in the temple is very much valid for those labouring for the gospel of Jesus Christ under the new covenant. It is their right before the Lord to live off the gospel and therefore it is our obligation before the Lord to fulfil it. I know that tithing is being abused big time by charlatans so on and so forth but the last thing you want in giving a presentation like this is to leave your audience with the impression that they have no responsibility before the Lord towards supporting financially those who are serving in their local church. Other passages such as Galatians 6:6 is also worth looking at. Once we have established that, all of a sudden Malachi 3:10 becomes very relevant to both dispensations. Passages such as "the Lord love a cheerful giver..." was given by Paul in completely unrelated circumstances which had nothing to do with supporting financially the local church. I rest my case
Everyone's talking about tithing is not fit for today cause it's a law thing and that in the new covenant the law was already abolished. But even before the law was given, Abraham already tithe. how do you explain that then?
Well you pretty well covered the law as given to Moses for the Jewish people. However long before Moses and the law was given God gives us the example of Jacob in Gen. 28:22 of returning a tenth to the Lord of all God had given him. Your theory that the law was abolished in Christ is not a good example. For instance "Thou shalt not kill" was part of the law was it not? Does that mean that since Christ set the law aside it is ok to kill. God forbid. Sometimes it is easier to please God by the examples he has given us than by trying to follow the law. IMO
We are not under obligation to tithe. It was temple tax to tithe. The Levite priesthood is over. Now we can give as much as you want. There is not a tithing tax.
@@bradwagner6876 i used to think we were to tithe because I i didn't understand what it was. We now to give now any amount. they can't use food and cattle to pay the bills because , you have to have money to pay those things. We have no levites in temple because that priesthood was done away with. Tithe wasn't given every time you went to a temple anyway. the tithe has to changed to an offering. The tithe was a requirement. it is not anymore. it is a donation not. it was to help feed the poor. it was also enjoyed by the person giving it. You can call a tithe to make it sound more spiritual. yes Jesus talked about , but he also condemned the pharisees for they didn't do.
@@bradwagner6876 A tithe is not what you think it was. We do not tithe in that manner to please God because he was made a curse for us. He cause all of these to cease. if you are doing it get God to favortism, you may as keep the Sabbath holy to. the tithe of the land was meant to be used as a celebration of the blessing of the land that God gave because they did give. if you read in the of malachi it says That if tithed right that they would be blessed in their garden . We are to still help the poor and needy, but are not to pay the 10% tax. You didn't listen to video very well. They explained the tithing. it is not the new covenant to do so. Read Acts 15.
@@bradwagner6876 no , I'm not. I know what you are saying about wanting to call it a tithe like Jacob did if God blessed him. A lot of people think we ought money tithe. our income. It's your money you can call it tithe if you want. just like paul said : one man esteem one day above another , another man esteem everyday alike. Paul said in other words let a man do what he think is best for him. i like to give a certain amount to but i don't like calling it a tithe because it is old covenant stuff. We don't tithe we give in joyful manner because it helps another person. For example: My sister tried to say after we got a settlement from the court that i owed 19% to the church. i helped my church out because they nearly broke and couldn't pay the light bill but in a tight squeeze. So I gave so much every sunday to help them out. the pastors wife thought I was tithing to. I said no it just an offering. Finnaly they were able to get out of hardship. if you want to give you money tithe it is your option.
You did not clearly specified that tithing is no more applicabke today in the new testanent church no single verse you can find that was instructed to give tithing in the new testament church.
Giving cheerfully is not a problem, (10% tithe, and offerings) what started to get me is who am I giving to and what are they doing to the money (sure... that's between them and GOD). NO not really, I giving and they are suppose to be doing in a godly manner with the filthy lucer, but most money takers are not, and are using it in a ungodly manner. I can tell you all some stories... Paul was a Tent Maker, he provide for himself, others, travel, and the establishment of churches: he was busy about the business of our Father GOD; I would have loved to give to a ministry such as his. I do not believe there are any physical churches worthy to receive money any more: they do not preach Truth, but words that tickle the ears and tell people what they want to hear: they hate to lose paying customers, and do not want to offend anyone, even satan. Me and my wife still give offerings to different ministries and at church, but our 10% tithe goes to a ministry that GOD charged us with: we likewise are Tent Makers, self-supporting Christian/Biblical/Pastoral Counselors, and GOD gives the increase. We have what we need, and to help others: we know for sure that we are giving cheerfully to a ministry that is doing some good, and sowing into good ground. If you are taking care of your Father's business then you use that tithe to take care of HIS business: you will probably be doing more labor for the Kingdom then some of pastors and preachers and teachers, and etc. The end time heavenly business will be taken care of by people such as this, YOU.
2 Cor 9 isn’t talking about “levetical tithing” but rather a collection for “the believers in Jerusalem.” I agree with what you are saying as a whole here, Pastor, but let’s be careful not proof text scripture to support an argument.
So you say give more that a tenth of your cash is implied here...............scripture says present your body as a living sacrifice, so how much more that ten percent of my income? Come on piper should a believer tithe according to malachi or Not? Abraham gave a tithe, why don't you teach from whats known as the father of faith tithing......................I know you know this..............Tithing does not fit in at all..............Jesus has commanded that those who preach the gospel can live from the gospel they preach, each individual as they purpose in there heart to give let them give
To all those modern christian pastors who're against tithing.. Remember that you are what you are today because of somebody's tithe. If nobody tithe there wouldn't be any pastors, evalgelists, and missionaries that would spread the gospel. There would be no single church today if people our forefathers didnt tithe. And yes , in the old testament it was a compulsion and after Jesus came its no more the same.. we must understand the changing trends and how the world goes about. No matter how dedicated or spiritually anointed one may be , at the end of the day it is the financial capacity that decides how far s/he can go preaching bcoz everybody untimately needs to eat. So stop discussing about tithing , leave the matter to individual and come up with other interesting gospel of christ.
Shelly Blanchard If you give generously then you will be blessed by God for being that kind (see 2 Cor. 9:6- “he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully”). It is not because of your tithe that God has given you back the increase and blessed you, it is because of your love and generosity. You see, if the churches today will practice tithing, we will be disqualified from the principles and practicality of the commandment. What we give to the church that we deemed as tithes are not the increase of the land from where the people in the Bible got their tithes from. We took it from our salary. Our salary is not the increase of the seed (or crop) that the land brought forth every year (see Deut. 14:22). Salary in Bible is called wage(s), and nowhere in the Bible that believers are commanded to give tithe from their wages. I will not discuss further the practice of tithing in the Old Testament. I will rather explain why tithing in the churches today is a violation of the precepts of giving in 2 Cor. 9:6-8. A tithe literally means a tenth portion of a whole (or 10%). If we give lesser than 10% it is definitely not a tithe; and neither it is if we give more. A tithe is a tithe (10%) in its definition, and it is what it is; hence I said that it violates the principles of giving in 2 Cor. 9:6-8. The apostle Paul writes- “Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver”(v.7). So if we practice tithing then we will be violating the pretext of giving as we “PURPOSETH IN OUR HEARTS”. Why? Because if a believer wants to give more than he ought to tithe then it’s a violation of the tithing rule. It’s not 10% anymore if you give more than you ought to tithe, nor it is tithing when you are giving less. In context, tithing only limits the giver of his ability and generosity to give. The giver cannot give more than 10% if he wishes. Whereas, if he follows the giving principles of 2 Corinthians 9:6-8, he can even give 20% or more, or whatever he he wishes to from his abundance. You see now why tithing cannot be practiced in the church today? Because it violates the giving principle of 2 Cor. 9:6-8.
@@paeng46 because we are not under that type system, giving the fruit of the land to the church. Now many if you ran a place where they fed the hungry like a soup kitchen you may give what you can help out. Now We don't have any sacrifices to offer for the priest to do atonement in the temple.
If tithing is a must, why keeping the sabath isn't? They are both the law under the old testament.. Thus the law is NO MORE! we are now under the grace.. we need to learn the things of the spirit not of the flesh..
There will....come a time where such talk will be no more and those that use Gods words for earthly possessions will not see light..Jesus Christ held Gods word as a new covenant ...did he mention tithing?..woe to you that know the truth.
R Jaloma, NOTE : These are the 3 most evil doctrine in Christianity.... 1. The doctrine of Calvinism.... 2. The doctrine of Tithing in Christianity.... 3. The doctrine of Trinity.... These 3 all came out from the RCC, the anti Christ church.....
And since we died to the law and we no longer are burdened by it, could we stop honoring our parents, better can we make an idol and worship it? Are we not free from the law? The principle still applies does it not? Tithing is not an obligation, it is a recognition that God is the source of all goodness! It is of the Lord's faithfulness wherewith we prosper. Dr Piper, you are a great man of God, but this sir is weak logic.
@Cortez Bailey. The answer is NO. Read the book of Malachi chapter 1 to 4. Malachi was talking to the corrupt priest who was stealing the tithes. The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi. Malachi 1:1 KJV And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the Lord of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it. And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the Lord of hosts. My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name. The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity. For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts. Malachi 2:1-7 KJV Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts. But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the Lord an offering in righteousness. Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the Lord , as in the days of old, and as in former years. And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the Lord of hosts. Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts. Malachi 3:1-5, 8-11 KJV After you've read the book of Malachi. Go back to the book of Nehemiah chapter 13 you would see that the priest was already stealing the tithes and God curse the priest. Tithe in the Bible was always only food from the land of Israel CROPS, LIVESTOCKS, NOT MONEY! Notice Malachi 3:10 says the tithes of "MEAT " Not money. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Matthew 23:23 KJV. Also talking about herbs not money. Jesus still talking to the news before Jesus' death burial and resurrection. Watch Phd Russel Earl Kelly on tithing. New testament giving is found in 2 Corinthians 9:6-7. NO ONE TTIHES today, we are not under the law we are under GRACE.
Isaiah 53:5, But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes, we are healed.For salvation, people just need to follow the way they did it in Acts? They were baptized in the water and of the spirit. Here's why! The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. If we are to follow him, we must do the same thing. Death= repentance, Burial = baptism, and resurrection = being filled with the Holy Ghost and rising again from the dead. That's what Acts 2:38 is.We must obey the gospel, 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL of our Lord Jesus Christ... Matthew 7:21-23, Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that DOETH THE WILL OF MY FATHER which is in Heaven. St John 3:3-5, EXCEPT a man be born of WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT, he cannot enter into the kingdom of GOD.We can't come up with our own gospel. Galatians 1:8-9, But though we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Don't be cursed. One way for all people. Jews, Gentiles, and Samaritan. Our salvation has to match-up with the scriptures and no scriptures on the subject can be taken away.Eternity is TOOO long to be WRONG! st, John 5:39, Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.God told Noah exactly how to be saved, how he must build the ark. Noah didn't come up with his own plan like people are doing today. A sinner's prayer, you just have to believe, etc which is not in the bible.The gospels show what Christ has done on the cross for us. The book of Acts shows us the beginning of Christ's Church and how to enter the Church, obeying Acts 2:38. The letters were written to the Church to show us how to behave now that we are born again into the Church.It's better to walk alone than to walk with a crowd going in the wrong direction. Are we supposed to follow the teachings of the apostles? Acts 2:42, They continued steadfastly in the apostle's doctrines. Ephesians 2:20, We are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief cornerstone. Jesus Christ truly loves you. Do you truly love him? If you believe in this message, help spread it in the name of Jesus Christ. God bless you!
NO HE ABSOLUTELY DID NOT!!!!!!!!! he makes me very sceptical. this explains tithing clearly. I am am not against giving to people or a church. But i hate when they say Jesus said you have to give a 10th of your earnings in a way that makes people think that they are doing something against god. I have been doing extensive research on the KJV of the bible and disecting it word for for word from the Torah ( true word of GOD ) So many words are not even right. I still believe in the Messiah and the Bible. BUT I WANT THE TRUTH NOT WHAT SOME PREACHER TELLS ME... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-uPpRlvOg36M.html
Teachers don’t point out Pre-law tithing by Abraham and Jacob. Hebrews 7 discusses this and has Jesus in same order of priesthood as Melchizedek. Needs to be addressed. Seems like it’s a principle given before the law of Moses. Abel also gave his firstling.
Ok then when I ransack an enemy kingdom I conquered I'll give my 10 percent . Since the principle was set. How much more clear could the New Test be on this? Don't give under necessity or compulsion? If its required its a necessity. And the Bold faced lie that its a pre Mosaic concept to be required to give church 10% of your gross income so you don't rob God is always from greedy works based heretic false teachers.
Tithing did not originate in the Mosaic institution. God, in teaching Israel the required tithing procedures under their covenant with Him, was simply regulating a practice we see in the patriarchs centuries earlier. To discuss tithing as a matter subject to law and grace is to ignore it's origins and purpose. It is a principle of God that transcends history, geography, culture or religion.
There's no biblical reference to tithing as a "principle" and the historical evidence of tithing that precedes the Bible was customary by pagan practices, at times religious in nature. Today's version of tithing has no biblical precedent.
Come on piper, I really love your ministry brother..............It is no commanded or required to tithe.........................Malachi is not applied under the New Covenant.........................You know that the law is not of Faith. Jesus has commanded that those who preach the gospel can live from the gospel they preach, no issue on that. Let each one give as he purposes in his heart, so as the heart of the individual is given over to God will be to the degree and or amount they give. Tithing according to Malachi is a an act of falling from grace..............you know that as well.
@@bradwagner6876 Who was he talking to sir? He never received a tithe from anyone, if we are his Ambassadors then what authority do we have to receive a tithe. None. Yes he talked about it to the Pharisees, but never did he command it from his disciples. Come on brother get this right.
A lot of good scripture here referring to the law and how Christ fulfilled it for us, but, that argument isn't correctly applied to tithing since it predates the law by at least 2500 years. He also quotes, like many do, passages encouraging people to give as they feel led - which again is correct . . . for giving, but, people don't realize that 'giving' and 'tithing' are two different things. Check every passage on tithing, you can only 'bring' the tithe back to the house of God, you can never 'give' it because the first tenth (tithe) of everything is God's and you cannot give what's not yours. You bring the tithe back to God and give as you feel led.
Circumcision also predates the law but is no longer applicable under the new covenant. The point he makes is that it was the law that obligated the tithe just like it did circumcision and sabbath keeping. People of course are free to do those things if they so wish but it cannot be enforced on them by accusing them of "robbing God" and being therefore "under a curse." Malachi could say that of the people of his day because they were under the law.
Recurring tithe does not predate the law. Abraham "tithed" to Melchizedek. But there are a wealth of issues with trying to relate this to the currently taught recurring monetary tithe. First of all, Abraham didn't tithe of his own possessions. He tithed on the spoils of a war fought on behalf of SODOM. He gave 10% of the spoils to the king of Salem (Melchizedek) and the other 90% he gave back to Sodom. Second of all, this was a one time offering to Melchizedek, there is no reference to this being a recurring arrangement. Abraham's dealings with Melchizedek are more akin to a 10% offering, but even then, it wasn't an offering from his own goods, it was the spoils of war. The New Testament way is supposed to be generous, willful giving. The deception in tithing doctrine is that we only have to give 10% to God. Really, God wants 100% of our money, our time, our life! If the Holy Spirit leads you to give 50% or 100% you should be willing. So if someone desires in their heart to give a recurring gift of 10% of their wages, that's fine. But it should be done with the understanding that it is not a "tithe" by the current modern Christian definition. And one is not "robbing God" if they don't give 10% of their wages. The truth is that the whole Earth is the Lord's and all it's fullness. Not just 10%.
Brother, if you can't give what is not yours, the assumption is the tithe is not yours, but God's. On that premise, nothing is actually yours, it's all God's. Now remember to bring back your salary on Sunday as it's not yours. You see, broad brush statements don't make for a good argument, they end up working against you.
Abraham came back from killing people and took all the spoils of WAR, The Spoils belonged the Kings of Sodom, gave tenth to priest, and the rest back to Kings of Sodom, Deut.12: Sin offerings and TITHED offerings, free will offerings, sacrifice of Animals , year by year to Levites in Jerusalem at PassOver, to Pentecost,, Psalm.40:6-8 Sacrifice and Offerings You did not desire,,,tithes are included, Dan.9:27 Messiah put a END to sacrifices and Offerings ,, Mark.12:29-34 Keeping the Commandments is more than burnt offerings and Sacrifices ,,. This is why nobody talks about tithes and offerings in the New Covenant,, Put End to,, Heb.7:5 Levites receive tithes ACCORDING to the law, that is from brethren,, (Exactly how TORAH says). Deut.14: Tithes to far to carry turn into Money, take money, by what heart desires,,, for Ox, Sheep, Wine, Oil,, and EAT before the LORD, in place were He choses,, you, family, poor, widows, fatherless, Levites, sons of Aaron,,, ONCE A Year, NOT EVERY WEEK, are twice a week ,.
What about our father Abraham, he tithe even mosaic law didn't exist yet. And we are Abraham seeds, what father does sons and daugthers must do it. Galatians 3:28-29
He didn't tithe off his own goods. he tithed off the spoils of war and the King of Salem blessed Abraham before he tithed not after. Abraham wasn't giving to get like Jacob who told God if you promise to do all you promised THEN i'll give you a tithe of all, Jacob was conditional if you do then i'll do. notice when God Himself came to Abraham Gen 18 Abraham never tithed He only got Sarah to cook a meal for them. ask yourself if tithing was so important why would Abraham tithe to King of Salem but not tithe to God Himself when God came to meet him?
It depends on your church experience. People in church leadership know whose given what. And, this along with attendance is a measurable factor they used to keep spiritual track of congregational behavior. Funny thing is when the churches bank account grows it keeps the proceeds from direct help of certain parishioners. Sick, Sad and Sorry.
I don’t tithe anymore, God doesn’t need our money but would rather us give. Most Christians go by Old Testament laws that has been fulfilled after Christ resurrection. I give more than I tithe.
