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Is TrackIR Head Tracking for Triple Screens Worth It 

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In the hopes of adding another layer of immersion to my triple screen setup for sim racing, I bought the TrackIR 5. I wanted to add the parallax movement in objects in the distance on the screen when moving my head in the rig but primarily to animate the car mirrors to move in sync with my movements. In this video, I unbox, setup, and review this head tracking product.
#simracing #headtracking #trackir
Content:
0:00 - Intro
0:30 - Why I got the TrackIR 5
4:50 - Unboxing
8:55 - Setup & install the software
15:19 - Issue with outdated software
18:22 - Testing TrackIR in ACC
21:20 - Testing TrackIR in iRacing
26:00 - What I don't like about the tracking
29:13 - Recap and final thoughts

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5 авг 2024

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@maxlewin7807
@maxlewin7807 Год назад
Great video. I mean this is very detailed and informative
@simulationstimulation961
@simulationstimulation961 2 года назад
Nice stuff man. I think boosted media made a video a while ago on how to have like a real back mirror, by using a tablet and making it display only the mirror somehow. Give that a look and see if you can do the same while applying the trackIR effect only on that, not your main PC.
@paulheyhoe
@paulheyhoe 3 года назад
I know exactly the effect you're after. I think it would require either the game developers or a 3rd party to create something which fixed the "cockpit drivers eye view" but the mirrors would still take notice of track IR position. I can't imagine it would be the hardest thing to achieve.. I guess it depends on whether the mirrors work off the drivers eye view or if they are independent.. You've reviewed lots of interesting stuff on this channel, nearly all of the things which I had thought "I wonder how this would look/work". Appreciated!
@Biroo
@Biroo 3 года назад
I agree, it probably wouldn't be a big deal for developers to implement this however if is not something of a high demand feature they'll probably not consider it. Which is sad because just spending few minutes with TrackIR in iRacing and having the mirrors dynamic to my position made a good impression on me, makes it feel a bit more realistic, tricks your brain into thinking you're not looking at a screen. Also, thanks for the appreciation Paul, and if there's anything else you're curious about and want me to potentially look at do let me know. Happy to try new concepts for sure!
@Chakotay2222
@Chakotay2222 3 года назад
Ye drivers eyes camera should be stationary. Becouse right now it seems driver is not looking around with his eyes but is looking around by moving his head. But if they make it fixed then you will be limited to seating still in the car you wont be able to put your head out the window and look the left side mirror what you just did in the video. Then you would need entire seperate tracker for your body aswell for proper emersive experiance.
@tzeffsmainchannel
@tzeffsmainchannel 3 года назад
27:00 That "feature" is the deadzone/sensitivity setting you can adjust with TrackIR. My setting is that when I'm looking forward, subtle movements wont' make TrackIR move the camera. I even removed Yaw, because it keeps moving my centre view...Haha. Only the mirrors move, but not your cockpit? I don't think that sim will ever be made! XD
@hifitommy2802
@hifitommy2802 2 месяца назад
If you want the cars directon to be aligned to the monitors, you simply disable yaw, pitch and roll, so only the movement on the X, Y and Z axis is active. As I understand you, this is what you hoped for. On a single monitor on the other hand, you'd want to use the Yaw also. Some might like to use the pitch also.
@perkristoffersson4153
@perkristoffersson4153 Год назад
How would you expect the cockpit not to "move" when you turn your head? It's a weird effect having the HUD follow your view instead of staying where it should but in the end this is really an alternative for people running single screen but wanting/needing the benefits of triple screens (for simracing) or VR (for simracing or flight sims). Having your head movement only effect the mirrors would be pretty unrealistic
@SamKatakouzinosRacing
@SamKatakouzinosRacing 3 года назад
Interesting outcome. I have been using head tracking for six years in racing software. One day I aim to be in the exact same position as you and obtain a triple monitor setup. And be exactly where you are right now where I do want everything to move with my head, dashboard in car included. Head tracking is not selective; you can't choose what will and won't move. The idea I had to let go was that the monitor(s) no longer equaled to being a set point of view. It is only now a window to look through. Having the hardware dashboard you rely on be stationary and not move with head tracking isn't the reason to stop using head tracking. You need more time for your brain to get accustomed to real life and virtual life being disparate. I'd be happy to have your issues as I'm ready to accommodate the difference between what's going on in the monitor compared to what doesn't move outside the monitor. Give it more time. And some more tweaking of the ratios with rotations (yaw, pitch , roll) and transitions (x, y, z). They seem unnatural to me. For reference, I use DelanClip Gamer with IR and PS3 Eye camera with OpenTrack as the software.
@Biroo
@Biroo 3 года назад
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Sam! I will probably look at it again soon with fresh eyes.
@SamKatakouzinosRacing
@SamKatakouzinosRacing 3 года назад
@@Biroo If you have Discord I'd be happy to talk and show you how I tune my head tracking.
@Biroo
@Biroo 3 года назад
@@SamKatakouzinosRacing that's great, search for biro on Discord and send me the invite
@Voltomess
@Voltomess Год назад
don't bother with that bs like trackers and 3 monitors VR is the only choice.
@SamKatakouzinosRacing
@SamKatakouzinosRacing Год назад
@@Voltomess hard pass
@DevourVR
@DevourVR 2 года назад
If you made this work make an update video! The tech is here - just subscribed, I've got a rig I'm wanting to show soon
@SpeedDemonsTiger
@SpeedDemonsTiger 3 года назад
I have a Single screen Monitor, i hope to See left and right With them. Maybe i will buy one 😄 Great video again! 😊
@Biroo
@Biroo 3 года назад
This is definitely a good solution for that. I now have one for sale 😂
@SpeedDemonsTiger
@SpeedDemonsTiger 3 года назад
@@Biroo haha Yeah, but im from Germany. Shipping will cost a lot 🤣✌️
@Biroo
@Biroo 3 года назад
@@SpeedDemonsTiger ha, true. I'll probably return it to the distributor so they can sell it who has proper need for it here in UK.
@kevinnsales592
@kevinnsales592 3 года назад
Nice video! Imagine this with a first person shooter. Maybe you can mount your dash/phone somehow to your steering wheel in a way that it won't rotate when you rotate the steering wheel. That might give you the separation you need because it will be lower than the screens.
@Biroo
@Biroo 3 года назад
Thanks Keving and yes that is an option. Watching back the video i realize that it looks pretty immersive on camera but only when looking at the screen. If the POV contains the wheel and rig the effect goes away 😅
@aLmAnZio
@aLmAnZio 2 года назад
ARMA my friend. I can't play ARMA without TrackIR anymore, it just feels odd.
@anthonypagan5566
@anthonypagan5566 Год назад
I'm asking myself a question.. Would you say this TrackIR can be "more" useful in another game like FlightSimulator or Arma ? I was thinking that in racing simulations, you don't move your head enough to have a real benefits using an eyetracker, especially with triple screen. I discovered your video late, I know, but I'm at the same point as you were 2 years ago ^^
@tzeffsmainchannel
@tzeffsmainchannel 3 года назад
3:14 I have Nvidia 3D Vision 2 goggles and with OLD Nvidia Drivers I get 3D vision...but only in OLD games like Assetto Corsa. And Elite Dangerous. ;) It does give (sometimes) a *toybox (your monitor is a box/window with 3D objects in it) kind of feeling. So it doesn't feel like you're INSIDE the game, but the 3D effects are simply fun. And I can even shoot at some stuff without using crosshairs (Aliens vs Predator 2) because of the perfect sense of depth!
@fuckingwebsite1
@fuckingwebsite1 2 года назад
Use the unofficial 3d profile manager . Helix mod the profiles nvidia gave us were bad the proper 3d profiles for elite crysis 3 metro and more look amazing
@jimski5358
@jimski5358 2 года назад
THERE IS NO FINAL PIECE OF THE PUZZLE
@Djk0t
@Djk0t 3 года назад
You have to minimize the range of motion so you the minimum movement
@0rtizjjay
@0rtizjjay 3 года назад
Do you have the link from where you bought it? I'm interested in testing on 49"...
@Biroo
@Biroo 3 года назад
I bought it from here:rcsimulations.co.uk/epages/93a3f77d-847d-4ca9-8b2d-6a951e9b272d.mobile/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/93a3f77d-847d-4ca9-8b2d-6a951e9b272d/Products/TRACKIR5BUNDLE Just bare in mind it will take time to arrive. I'm going to put mine up for sale as well if interested.
@0rtizjjay
@0rtizjjay 3 года назад
I have the impression you are the guy from which I bought the fanatec advance paddle module via race department,.. Am I right?... I still have my "not sure" feeling if setting up with the 49 inch will work good. I'm using the v3 platform as yourself... A bit concern if all of the movement will make the things worse... Nevertheless I can be interested... I have vr too, but ... Yes the but is still there, ...
@Biroo
@Biroo 3 года назад
Oh yeah, hey 👋. Have a think if this is of interest and if you want me to test anything for you I'm happy to help 😁
@0rtizjjay
@0rtizjjay 3 года назад
@@Biroo cheers mate. Drop me if you want a message in RD with the price you have in mind... And I should take a decision during the next few days... 👌👍
@0rtizjjay
@0rtizjjay 3 года назад
By the way are you using sprint pedals?... If so look at this fanatec damper kit support for them... rover.ebay.com/rover/1/710-53481-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2&pub=5575378759&campid=5338273189&customid=&icep_item=164642604511&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229508&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg&toolid=11111
@marbek5334
@marbek5334 3 года назад
you want to achive something like "Head Tracking for Desktop VR Displays using the WiiRemote" of Johny Lee. (search the video if you like). It is a little tricky to do. You must disable the z axis movement (it does not cooperate well). You need linear movement on x and y and i guess 1:1. You must set Yaw and Pitch linear to X and Y, and adjust how much that chacge. It is very tricky to get right and if it is wrong it will throw you off. There are some calculation involved and depends on the size (height) of your screens, and the distance to the screens (and it depends on the title). But its not necessery. Try and error might get you there. Good luck
@Biroo
@Biroo 3 года назад
Thanks for the suggestions 👌I'll give it a try
@surfwidow
@surfwidow 2 месяца назад
I know its not ideal but if your dash is on a rig why do you need to see your dash in the game? Move forwards to screen level. I have TrackIR and mainly use it with ETS2/ATS for reversing you can turn your head to the left and look out of the window to the rear which is amazing! LOL I know its a mirror issue with your maybe use literally wing mirrors? as in mirrors either side of your hood and move the camera over the hood?
@Simlife101
@Simlife101 3 года назад
G Racing Team Boosted Media made a video not long ago using track ir on his motion rig not sure if that helps.
@Biroo
@Biroo 3 года назад
I seen it but he has the dash on the wheel so probably not huge issue with the screen dash moving independently from the wheel. That being said he also has a motion platform which moves the whole rig so probably there's not huge movement misalignment
@Simlife101
@Simlife101 3 года назад
@@Biroo owe ok. Yh i wasnt sure if it would help in your case but thought to mention it. i think its more a game issue than the device its self. There maybe some mods out there or some way someone has got it to do what you want but no idea. good luck with it tho. I love my Valve index but not the best for content creation.
@Simlife101
@Simlife101 3 года назад
22:55 where yiu keep clipping back to centre is because i racing does not allow you out of the car i noticed this in VR. If i try to lean out the car it just jumps me back in
@Biroo
@Biroo 3 года назад
Oh I see! That's interesting
@tomblanckaert4089
@tomblanckaert4089 Год назад
it is a nice piece of technology but i also noticed it take's away immersiveness only due the fact that it turns the virtual world in relation to your physical body wich is not turning with the virtual.
@seebarry4068
@seebarry4068 11 месяцев назад
20:04 that varies by game I found.
@JamaaLKellbass
@JamaaLKellbass 2 года назад
assetto corsa has Real Mirrors add on :D
@electricalglitch6030
@electricalglitch6030 3 года назад
according to the video , iracing is 100% accurate! I mean if you move your head in a real car , everything move too , bcz the relative position move, human eyes will re focus on dashboard or something , to calibrate it, lets take an example, just watch something in real life ,and move your head but DONT move you eye ball (dont turn it), you will find that thing move in your sight too
@jonnylaris
@jonnylaris 3 года назад
I generally like your videos but come on, are you seriously telling me you thought you were going to be able to move the 3d view in the mirror without moving the cockpit?
@Biroo
@Biroo 3 года назад
I'd say having the ability to isolate what moves and what doesn't would be a great addition to these sim titles. I was aware the dash movement will happen but was hoping it will not be that obvious and distracting for me
@ausnorman8050
@ausnorman8050 10 месяцев назад
Don't like the mirror's not moving? ahhh get coding son!
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