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Is Van Gogh’s ‘Sunflowers’ Actually A Fake? | The Authenticity Of The Sunflowers 

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Was the most expensive painting ever sold at auction a fake? This award-winning documentary explores the authenticity of the Sunflowers painting by Vincent van Gogh, bought in the late 1980s for a then record sum by a Japanese insurance company.
In 2002, the painting went on public exhibition alongside an undisputedly genuine version of Sunflowers, raising once again the questions so vividly posed in this film.
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@ThePhantomSafetyPin
@ThePhantomSafetyPin 5 лет назад
This is simultaneously the most interesting yet dry documentary I have ever seen.
@Frisenette
@Frisenette 4 года назад
If by “dry” you mean no hammy dramatizations and no unmotivated use of cookie cutter music? Then yes dry. It’s good exactly because it’s on point and no nonsense.
@Swonder1972
@Swonder1972 4 года назад
Yes, museum people are terrible orators...
@ISCDESIGNAustralia
@ISCDESIGNAustralia 4 года назад
agree
@damiencallaghan9389
@damiencallaghan9389 4 года назад
You are an American Do not deny it I Know its true Everyone knows it is true so do not deny it
@a.a.s.3799
@a.a.s.3799 4 года назад
​@@damiencallaghan9389 you're saying it like it's a sin... let the guy/girl have a personal opinion and move on.
@davidvdmerwe1997
@davidvdmerwe1997 5 лет назад
That's RU-vid. I started by watching how to make sushi and now I learned things about Vincent.
@rascallyrabbit717
@rascallyrabbit717 5 лет назад
I was watching a few 'opening vintage army MRE's ' and ended up here. Van Gogh _is_ my favourite thou I'm not sure how youtube knew that
@carmenfestas1
@carmenfestas1 4 года назад
hahaha!
@GypsyEncounters
@GypsyEncounters 4 года назад
🤣🤣🤣
@carolynboyd6796
@carolynboyd6796 4 года назад
O M G I LOVE YA COMMENT. I KNOW THE FEELING.
@christiangeiselmann
@christiangeiselmann 4 года назад
When did Sushi live, and what prices do his paintings have today?
@carolking6355
@carolking6355 Год назад
Wonderful. The prices are unbelievable. Nearly 70 years ago my art teacher took our class to a film on Van Gogh. I was too young to appreciate it.
@larsdejong5943
@larsdejong5943 Год назад
yes, yes. funny thing to end up here, eventually. what makes you have intrest in van Gogh now ?, where as you didn't have any intrest nearly 70 years ago. i have this experience, one day i got detention, made to go out of the class for being a little stubborn kid, in the class room designated for punishment, sitting out the hour until the next class starts. in the detention class room i couldn't take my eyes of this van Gogh painting (sunflowers), a poster of it in a frame, and i thought to myself, i will never be able to do something like this. not even realizing whom the painter that painted that painting made poster is. until i am now retrieving memories from long ago, some neuro regeneration thingie going on. having this memorie come back to me.
@deenamorgan6674
@deenamorgan6674 6 лет назад
Fascinating! I find it terribly sad that people buy gorgeous masterpieces, then have to keep them out of sight in a vault. I'd rather have a known copy and hang it where I can see it all the time.
@ilanarhian
@ilanarhian 6 лет назад
Deena Morgan I do think it’s a shame they don’t just loan it to a gallery. It would be safe there
@JBrandeis1
@JBrandeis1 5 лет назад
@Aintjack If your taste is as good as your writing, you are spending your money wisely.
@JBrandeis1
@JBrandeis1 5 лет назад
Anyone who spells impostor with an e does not deserve to be heard.
@bio-plasmictoad5311
@bio-plasmictoad5311 5 лет назад
@Aintjack You have a pedestrian outlook on art if you think skill alone makes one painting or artist superior than the next. Vincent painted in styles and was exploring styles and what they brought to his work. If he wanted to he could paint realistic paintings with realistic styles. Art is not all about how real you can draw and paint, that's just one small aspect to a massively complex and often misunderstood subject.
@bio-plasmictoad5311
@bio-plasmictoad5311 5 лет назад
@Aintjack yes but it don't mean you have it, thousands would disagree with you.
@timward3116
@timward3116 3 года назад
Isn't it interesting that the monetary value of a work is far more dependent on the name of the person who supposedly created it than on the quality of the work itself? A painting by Van Gogh of a pile of dung could be worth millions of dollars. Yet an almost identical or even aesthetically superior painting of a pile of dung by an unknown would be worth nothing. When it comes to collectors and investors, it isn't the quality that matters; it's the prestige associated with the name. Of course, poor Vincent was virtually penniless when alive because nobody thought his work was worth anything. It is an absolutely crazy world.
@MY-ce2qt
@MY-ce2qt Год назад
That’s why my judgement of painting is not based on the artist but by the feelings the art work send me.
@timward3116
@timward3116 Год назад
@@MY-ce2qt I suspect that the very rich often have no artistic sense and must therefore rely on someone to tell them what to buy and how much to pay. There are a ton of really great artists who paint after their mundane 9-5 jobs in their basements, garages, or spare rooms. And even many of the masters didn't paint all of their commissions; they had students doing it. M Y, I agree with you completely!
@melware2784
@melware2784 4 года назад
Just by way of interest, the sunflowers in the famous paintings are a quite different species of sun flowers to the commercial field crop variety so happily displayed in the so very interesting programmes , does it matter, not really.
@annereilley4892
@annereilley4892 5 лет назад
I learned art by copying paintings and drawings to learn their techniques. If I'd only known I was sitting on a gold mine, I could have auctioned mine off for millions and gone to Brazil before they realized. :)
@raywhittington1368
@raywhittington1368 5 лет назад
This is a delightful look into the wealthy class society, as well as of the subject matter of fake art. Fascinating and very good watching documentary.
@stephaniemarie2074
@stephaniemarie2074 4 года назад
Buy local art by starving artists..you never know if will become a masterpiece
@jeancarlosartist
@jeancarlosartist 4 года назад
Stephanie Marie local artists here are just trendy. If I ever spot something I really like I would get it though.
@pranusa95
@pranusa95 3 года назад
wolfgang?
@sandrajohnson2489
@sandrajohnson2489 3 года назад
I am a local artist and recently I sold eleven paintings to one person on Ebay. He is having the paintings framed and will sell them in his store. I've never sold a painting in my life and was pleasantly shocked when my paintings sold.
@jamesanonymous2343
@jamesanonymous2343 3 года назад
YEARS AGO A GUY WANTED TO SELL ME 25% INTEREST IN THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE, I DECINED I WONDER WHAT IT WOULD BE WORTH TODAY
@zenoist2101
@zenoist2101 3 года назад
I'm an artist and we are always broke. We spend our money on paints.I can get cheap canvases from charity shops and paint over them.
@fpham8004
@fpham8004 5 лет назад
The best is to ask other forgers about it. They are well trained to spot stuff and also have big egos and would love to point the problematic parts.
@kevinmorrice
@kevinmorrice 5 лет назад
just go to dafen city
@sytran666
@sytran666 5 лет назад
No way, it'll turn out like ancient aliens show
@blackbird5634
@blackbird5634 4 года назад
@@kevinmorrice Communist countries like China and Russia have amazing artists who can draw and paint like old masters because they use every single ounce of their materials as if it were precious as gold. Art supplies aren't cheap. Learning to see before you start drawing, learning to draw before you start painting and learning to use color before you're allowed to call yourself an artist is all part of the plan. In the US a kid with a skateboard and video equipped helmet is called an 'artist' before he's 20 and nothing comes from him but more 'radical' moves than the last vid.
@anti-ethniccleansing465
@anti-ethniccleansing465 4 года назад
black bird Lmfao. Nice pro-communist anti-American pr0paganda. 😂
@rosssmith8481
@rosssmith8481 4 года назад
I had to click this, cause I just finished a Van gough painting for my wall.
@sandrajohnson2489
@sandrajohnson2489 3 года назад
*Gogh not 'gough'.
@alejandromavarez164
@alejandromavarez164 3 года назад
Gow
@123agidee_2
@123agidee_2 3 года назад
@@sandrajohnson2489 its actually pronounced van googhhhhhgogxasxzz*dies from choking
@DelphineTheWorstBladeEver
@DelphineTheWorstBladeEver 3 года назад
I hate to break it to you, but it's probably a fake.
@danut1970ro
@danut1970ro 4 года назад
And my father was a painter and he painted one painting in several different variants so it can be all original if the laboratory analysis confirms the authenticity of the colors used during the painter's life a mixture of unique colors
@toomignon
@toomignon Год назад
The authenticity of colors is not as useful, since these were allegedly painted by contemporaries of Vincent who had access to the same materials and likely within 10-20 years of his death.. It’s the intensity of the pigment, not the type that is the only distinguishing feature in the materials.
@donemigholzjr.7344
@donemigholzjr.7344 3 года назад
The easiest way to tell a Original Van Gogh is that he painted exactly as if he drew it but instead of pencils or charcoal he used paint. He mastered drawing at a very early age. Vincent used hashmarks and cross hashing very efficiently. Very analytical but when he added color, the freedom came naturally almost by accident but it was still analytical, efficient in the most beautiful way.
@danielpittenger5496
@danielpittenger5496 6 лет назад
Very good documentary...thank you for posting.
@pythagorasmathematik9585
@pythagorasmathematik9585 4 года назад
The real question is why a pictures worth is determined by who painted it and not whether it's a good painting.
@Landrew0
@Landrew0 5 лет назад
The best fakes are never discovered.
@sandrajohnson2489
@sandrajohnson2489 3 года назад
There is a documentary on here that discusses authentic paintings versus fakes. The professionals said there are so many fakes even they can't tell the real ones from the fake ones any more.
@taylorj6177
@taylorj6177 5 лет назад
Wow. That dude called it with the way the stems were painted and everything... i think it's fake.
@kenlieberman4215
@kenlieberman4215 5 лет назад
The painting has been authenticated. Van Gogh did a third painting after then flowrs had wilted - this was actually documented.
@taylorj6177
@taylorj6177 5 лет назад
@@kenlieberman4215 Where? And "wilting" would not produce these effects in a plant. Wilting does not defy physics...
@anti-ethniccleansing465
@anti-ethniccleansing465 4 года назад
KEN LIEBERMAN ^obvious troll account.
@AnyoneCanSee
@AnyoneCanSee 3 года назад
@@kenlieberman4215 - You work for the Japanese do you. Actually it is a confirmed a fake now.
@kayfletcher4169
@kayfletcher4169 3 года назад
Fascinating documentary. Vincent's room is heartbreaking.
@bethbartlett5692
@bethbartlett5692 5 лет назад
Have a theory - *(The painting is authentic - he was testing elements of paint compounds* - *He never intended to release it - thus never signed the painting* - *Possibly did it 1st, liked the subject, but wasn't pleased with the paint clarity, once dry.)* I know absolutely nothing about this case - it merely is a mix of intuition, logic, and an understanding of the era Artitst's search for improvements of their tool products.
@elvis459
@elvis459 5 лет назад
I had a similar theory, however, I think that the painting he calls fake, is actually the last in the series. The first on the left, has little or no shading, the second, on the right has some shading and you can almost see the beginning of the stem running through the leaf. The third, in the middle, has more depth, more outlining and more shading which is why it seems more apparent that the stem appears to run through the leaf.
@harrickvharrick3957
@harrickvharrick3957 5 лет назад
nonsense.
@yoepix
@yoepix 4 года назад
elvis459 also the stem could break if he is painting the same flowers as they age. The differences in the flowers dying could account for changes in how he perceived and painted them.
@discoveringvangogh2692
@discoveringvangogh2692 2 года назад
He only signed 1/6 of his 800+ paintings re VGM.
@-The-Darkside
@-The-Darkside Год назад
There's been many tests since, it was found it to be real
@greyedgerton2890
@greyedgerton2890 5 лет назад
Something the narrator said brought to my mind a pathetic reality: some years ago I was alerted to the pitiful reality and scope of greed. A favorite work of mine was on exhibit in both London as well as in Los Angeles, and of course this was not possible. Easy enough to solve you would say. To be sure, sooner rather than later the copy would be exposed, some degree of integrity would raise their hand. That was a very long time ago, it remains still. If it is to be believed, neither museum was willing to submit their work for true authenticity. I thought this truly too incredible to be the truth. Both were afraid of possible exposure. If there is any moral here, it may be an ostensibly inverse relationship between truth and money.
@MandyJMaddison
@MandyJMaddison 5 лет назад
Many artist's studios produced copies of paintings that were done initially by the artist. A studio copy may be finished and signed by the artist himself. Rubens, for example, left catalogues describing some of his works as entirely by his own hand, some as by students retouched by his own hand, and some as "by my best student", meaning Anthony van Dyck.
@greyedgerton2890
@greyedgerton2890 5 лет назад
MandyJMaddison Thank You Mandy.
@marcoesquandolas2940
@marcoesquandolas2940 5 лет назад
If I was in possession of a masterpiece I believed was authentic while others expressed doubts, I wouldn't hesitate to have it verified. The Japanese company's reluctance to subject the painting for verification seems to indicate they aren't as positive about the paintings origin as they would like to appear.
@crosskatt
@crosskatt 5 лет назад
what reluctance??? they did many years ago!!
@karenmarshall5444
@karenmarshall5444 Год назад
Disagree. They like the painting. It’s the rest of the world that’s obsessed with money.
@mbaker335
@mbaker335 5 лет назад
Hiding a possible/probable fake puts into question every other work of art that company may have. It is not clever to hide the fake but could be accounting fraud if they count it as an asset on the books.
@atthebluebus
@atthebluebus 3 года назад
2:58: "As a journalist, fakes have always been my speciality." ...Awkward…
@koninginvictoria
@koninginvictoria 6 лет назад
I give tours at the Van Gogh Museum. I look at his paintings almost every day. The Sunflowers in Japan is such an obvious fake. I can't believe they have gotten away with this for so long. But the painting's buyer also paid for the special exhibitions building at the museum so I think they paid off some people to keep quiet about it. If I can see it's a fake, they know it too.
@crosskatt
@crosskatt 5 лет назад
I hope you give your last tour today,as the vGogh museum published in their Journal in the 90s that it is an original;apparantly you are unaware,so disinterested and prone to make more mistakes.
@PeaceForSkulls
@PeaceForSkulls 5 лет назад
@@crosskatt yeah you should know stuff since you read an article
@jesseatwater393
@jesseatwater393 5 лет назад
Lucky you. I love that museum. Seeing the grave sites at the end always moves me to tears, and that doesn't happen to me easily.
@mattkaustickomments
@mattkaustickomments 5 лет назад
crosskatt, modern review disputes that assertion. And modern forensics would def prove it’s a fake. But the owners will NEVER allow close scrutiny. If they did, expect several Insurance execs to commit Hari Kari!
@higgins382
@higgins382 5 лет назад
It is a dull and uninteresting painting. If this is Van Goch, it is an embarrassment to him, and I doubt that.
@bricaf
@bricaf 2 года назад
I've been to the now expanded Van Gogh museum/gallery in Amsterdam, this is a fabulous documentary, I truly enjoyed it!
@smentina
@smentina 4 года назад
This is a movie of quality no doubt. And the plainness and eventuality of expertise are astonishing,-- how was it possible to gather all three on one screen!?
@fabrizio483
@fabrizio483 4 года назад
Gorgeous accent the lady has. I wish I could speak like that without being mocked.
@hakapik683
@hakapik683 5 лет назад
Vincent was known for doing more than one painting of the very same subject, so in the case of the 2 paintings they compare at the 39:20 mark could very well be both by Vincent.. the "low quality" one was the first one he painted, was not totally happy with it, and then painted the masterpiece. Or possibly the first "low quality" one was simply a test painting, to see if he wanted to do a "better" one.
@markotienhaara3267
@markotienhaara3267 2 года назад
I highly doubt it because the mistakes made in the stem and the leaf. He would not have made such an error on just one painting.
@j.dallesandro5576
@j.dallesandro5576 2 года назад
Thank you setting us straight 🙏
@plutoniumpie
@plutoniumpie 2 года назад
Eeeeh, no
@cassandragaisford2777
@cassandragaisford2777 Год назад
what if this was the one he did for Gauguin mentioned in his letters to Theo and he made the error intentionally
@englishrose4388
@englishrose4388 2 года назад
Truly fascinating and well worth watching. What Tom Hoving, the ex-director of the MET, said truly made sense--that it's muddy and doesn't have the snap that Van Gogh's paintings have. And, when you look at the supposed faker's paintings--they're muddy, and don't have snap...
@silva7493
@silva7493 2 года назад
That comment was so on point. We knew just what he meant, didn't we!
@Tugela60
@Tugela60 Год назад
That is like those wine connoisers who wax on about how great this or that wine is, but remove the label and suddenly they can't tell them apart, lmao.
@alejandrogonzalezlopez5883
@alejandrogonzalezlopez5883 5 лет назад
Yellow as a life giving color? Gee, as a watercolorist yellow takes my life away! I can't buy yellow tubes fast enough! My yet unanswered question to my mentors is "How can I use less yellow???" Great documentary, thanks for posting! >One Love< -A
@maunster3414
@maunster3414 5 лет назад
I had an interesting thought about the painting in question. Something to the effect of Van Gogh not painting when he wasn't well. I'm supposing, wondering if perhaps he attempted to paint when he wasn't well and this is one of the studies done when he wasn't well, but didn't like it enough to sign or write about.
@bio-plasmictoad5311
@bio-plasmictoad5311 5 лет назад
It's possible, there is a misunderstanding that Vincent would paint while he was very unhappy. But he painted while he felt ok and lucid and could concentrate on his art. I'm the same as I can only paint when I'm content and somewhat happy, while I'm unhappy the artist in me simply is somewhere else.
@alexc.c.4025
@alexc.c.4025 3 года назад
What if Van Gogh just painted the Yasuda painting as a Sketch, therefore he did not put the time and effort seen in the other 2 versions And you have 2 authentic sunflowers, so which one is the final one? A lot of artist paint a sketch before the final work, so this could might as well be a real Van Gogh for that reason. =)
@mon_avis2978
@mon_avis2978 Год назад
I suspect there was something about the Van Gogh painting destroyed in WW2 that the Japanese populace had developed such lore and attachment to Van Gogh the painter. The documentary said it was a bona fide original of five sunflowers. The fact that the Yasuda painting is predominantly yellow, a color associated with the emperor, must have something to do with it, I'd guess, as well as why so many Japanese make pilgrimages to Van Gogh's grave. Tremendously interesting documentary.
@kevinmorrice
@kevinmorrice 11 месяцев назад
yeah, its a china situation i believe which is "we say its real, agree or else"
@dibaldgyfm9933
@dibaldgyfm9933 5 лет назад
The yellow has faded, what a sad picture. The flowers were originally bright yellow. The highest price! But the picture isn't even really good. The yellow has faded terribly and van Gogh could be much better. And the background ... sigh. Could these buyers really not see for themselves? Gee I get emotional when I hear that it was Johanna, Theo's widow, who inherited all paintings and letters and transcribed them and created the fame of Vincent. Well done, widow!!! ❤
@shelleynobleart
@shelleynobleart 5 лет назад
Excellent doc. Thank you for posting.
@patrickr5359
@patrickr5359 5 лет назад
What I find *DISGRACEFUL* is we all know how poor Vincent struggled to make a living. He was mocked and teased. The *INSULT* to injury is the faking and capitalizing of 'The Sunflowers'. The incredible artist who painted 'Stary Night' was a brilliant, misunderstood soul. I'm so sorry Vincent...
@nicywicy
@nicywicy Год назад
This is the same tale of a lot of 'famous' artists. Back then they just waited until they died and then decided they had value so the original creator never got out of poverty. His artwork is ugly, nothing interesting about it, reminds me of a bad song that becomes popular just cause and pay billions for, people suck at being sophisticated in any sense wish vampires existed to laugh and mock our stupidity as creatures.
@LNLN123
@LNLN123 6 лет назад
What I find it interesting is that after years pass by suddenly people in general come up and say that these paintings that they discovered belonged to some famous painters ... I don’t know if it’s real or fake to sell them , of course aside of the famous paintings
@William_sJazzLoft
@William_sJazzLoft 4 года назад
Christies apparently has some complicity in the fake scandal. They should have more rigorously investigated the provenance
@seffalohpod
@seffalohpod 4 года назад
The painting in dispute could have been a first study - which Vincent wasn't satisfied with, and so he didnt sign it. If it were a forgery, meant to fool unwary buyers, wouldn't the forger have signed it?
@paulm8084
@paulm8084 Год назад
I agree. Unless it was never intended to be a forgery, just a copy.
@ako1145
@ako1145 2 года назад
“As a journalist, fakes has always been my speciality.”
@peezebeuponyou3774
@peezebeuponyou3774 4 года назад
The sunflower doesn't produce turpentine; it can be used as a thinner for paint- ie as a turpentine substitute.
@watermelonlalala
@watermelonlalala 4 года назад
I wondered about that.
@davefoc
@davefoc 5 лет назад
The examples of Schuffenecker 's work in the video seemed to be more skillfully done than the Yasuda Sunflower painting to me. Maybe the Yasuda sunflowers is a fake but Schuffenecker wasn't the artist?
@sabi8381
@sabi8381 2 года назад
Perhaps the "FAKE ONE" is simply a study painting by Vincent. Lots of artists out there would understand this.
@slipryeel
@slipryeel 5 лет назад
Paintings, tennis players and golfers are ridiculously out of the pricing norm
@michicyrill6397
@michicyrill6397 6 лет назад
Why is it so important to spot the fakes: Because it shows the lie behind the art
@geraldmartin8195
@geraldmartin8195 5 лет назад
Thank you for this fascinating, thought provoking, and relentless documentary.
@RADIUMGLASS
@RADIUMGLASS 4 года назад
The best art experts seems to be the forgers. They pay much better attention than the so called college experts.
@NewEnglandViews
@NewEnglandViews 5 лет назад
Occam's razor: If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, it's a fake flower.
@daniisaurushax
@daniisaurushax 5 лет назад
30 seconds in and I already learned something new
@Larkinchance
@Larkinchance 5 лет назад
Style and chemistry of the paintings should give a great deal of information but to say that small minor differences in the execution of the final paintings is not necessarily conclusive because Van Goth was making a casual copy, not an absolute duplication.
@jude1143
@jude1143 5 лет назад
Painting is about mood, feelings, and all thats going on within someones mind. It can change day by day. One day maybe a master piece, the next day not so good not so bright, not so moving. Not a good day for getting it right.He was human like use all.
@stevesadler6429
@stevesadler6429 4 года назад
I have been to the van gogh museum in Amsterdam a few times the depth of the pictures are amazing -reminds me the difference between a madman and a genius - money that's all
@paulramsey51
@paulramsey51 5 лет назад
Maybe it's just a painting that he did when having a bad week and he couldn't get it bright, the more yellow he painted on top, the browner it got.
@fergalfarrelly8545
@fergalfarrelly8545 5 лет назад
There was a new brilliant yellow pait that Von Gogh couldn't get enough of. Uranium based i think and it has decayed. It would have looked totally different yellow when Van Gogh painted it.
@freeleonardpeltier4148
@freeleonardpeltier4148 5 лет назад
Very good point.
@fynnjackson2298
@fynnjackson2298 4 года назад
They wouldn't resist authentication if it was real. However the drama around them make the fakes just as important in the Vincent saga. And in this lies their value.
@jamesanonymous2343
@jamesanonymous2343 4 года назад
Schuffeneker deliberately painted the stem broken to indicate it was his copy, not by Vincent.
@midnightchannel7759
@midnightchannel7759 6 лет назад
I read all the comments... If you do not love art, if u don't feel it, why bother watching a video about it? As for Van Gogh, he wasn't painting the object in front of him: if u don't get that then, again, no sense in looking at videos about art... Of u don't like art, that's ok. Vincent wouldn't care...
@drwcody
@drwcody 5 лет назад
He was painting the things in front of him. Do not take a 3rd partys opinion as scripture. Read what the source himself has to say about it not some wine drinker telling you they know the ins and outs of the artists mind when they are just a spectator on the side of the road
@maunster3414
@maunster3414 5 лет назад
Very well said, 2manysecrets.
@thomasromano9321
@thomasromano9321 5 лет назад
Van Gogh painted sunflowers out of his imagination? I doubt it. In Arles, France, Van Gogh painted every scene from actually setting up the still life scene, or going outside to paint. However, one painting, "Crows over the cornfield" might be the one exception: not sure if he was actually there. The painting, his last, is one which echoes Van Gogh's overwhelming despair. Yellow was Van Gogh's color of love. The Yellow House, Sunflowers, this color reflected Van Gogh's emotion of love. In the movie "Lust for Life" Kirk Douglas plays Van Gogh; it looks like the part of Paul Gauguin was played by Anthony Quinn. Quinn's resemblance to Gauguin isn't bad, but Douglas's aquiline features don't look anything like Van Gogh.
@drewmiele2223
@drewmiele2223 5 лет назад
Then you would be in agreement with the Philistines who mocked his work during his lifetime.
@gaygambler
@gaygambler 5 лет назад
midnightchannel I’m an abstract painter. And I don’t really care much about VG work.
@yugorc2248
@yugorc2248 6 лет назад
What's with all the ads every 5 minutes
@QueenBee-gx4rp
@QueenBee-gx4rp 6 лет назад
Yugo Boss Get You Tube Red-I haven’t seen an ad in two years.
@Anonymous-or4ru
@Anonymous-or4ru 6 лет назад
Download Ad Blocker, it'll never be an issue again. And it's free
@area51r
@area51r 6 лет назад
you need an extension called adblocker. i have not seen an ad in at least 8 years
@AndersPuschel
@AndersPuschel 6 лет назад
Queen Bee Me neither, except I use AdBlock. I don't understand why people go on about the ads being a problem, when it's so easy to solve. It will be another matter if (or when) RU-vid decides to block AdBlock.
@eddy4688
@eddy4688 6 лет назад
How have people not heard of Ad Blocker by now? It's so ridiculously simple to find and sort out.
@RollingOrmond
@RollingOrmond 5 лет назад
Very good doc., brisk, no BS pace and narration. Some of this youtube vids wander off...
@ggghhjd
@ggghhjd 2 года назад
A lot of the crass commercialism mentioned at the end in connection to the exploitation of Vincent's work is done by the Van Gogh family museum itself, where you can get mugs, ties, drinks coasters, jigsaw puzzles, and so on. But this is normal for museums these days
@alexhayden2303
@alexhayden2303 4 года назад
When I was in Arles, a local chastised me for pronouncing the town name like that!
@SDeww
@SDeww 5 лет назад
29:36 lol filmed on a sunday early in the morning, because if the van gogh museum was open, their would be a line of people waiting to the corner of the street or longer!., you cant walk up like she did!, takes atleast 15-45 minutes to get in :P
@hugolindum7728
@hugolindum7728 5 лет назад
....if the museum WERE open, THERE would be...
@LeifGrahamsson
@LeifGrahamsson 3 года назад
I have to say this documentary is absolutely ruined by almost perfectly badly placed ads...
@laneromel5667
@laneromel5667 6 лет назад
This channel constantly shows live at the top of my subscription list. Any way to disable live notification?
@psefti
@psefti 4 года назад
I love ❤️ Vincent, but his sunflower centre looks like a pimiento stuffed olive.
@psefti
@psefti 4 года назад
Doubt there were stuffed olives back then
@mr.ramjangles5165
@mr.ramjangles5165 3 года назад
Haha! You made me laugh! I like Van Gogh, too! I painted Starry Night...with yarn! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PiiHvc3ezIg.html
@bostonblackie9503
@bostonblackie9503 3 года назад
Not crazy about Sunflowers.
@normandavies7603
@normandavies7603 4 года назад
Very interesting. There are some things that make you think for yourself. Thank you.
@GrootsieTheDog
@GrootsieTheDog 4 года назад
The most important things said in the entire documentary start at 48:05 with the statements of the last two people - and they really point to the absurdity of the art world.
@gerry343
@gerry343 3 года назад
Why not accept an artwork at face value? If you love a painting, does it really matter who made it?
@ironpirites
@ironpirites 6 лет назад
Beautifully made documentary. Some of the settings in France are gorgeous and gorgeously filmed. I think it is important (to art students and connoisseurs) to discuss these things and to know about them. It sharpens one's powers of discrimination and appreciation. I'm not interested in the business side of art, but I would be if I had something to sell, or buy.
@robertedwards3654
@robertedwards3654 5 лет назад
I remember seeing the doc when it was first shown. Then and now, I'm not convinced. They talk of 5% of the painting that is 'odd' but what about the other 95%?
@ArcDevErik
@ArcDevErik 4 года назад
Think you missed the entire part about the guy that copied it.
@TNT-km2eg
@TNT-km2eg Год назад
That top movie with Kirk Douglas and Anthony Queen was biggest homage to Van Gogh ever
@professorsogol5824
@professorsogol5824 4 года назад
I am a bit confused. We have a great deal of discussion of three putative Van Gogh paintings of sunflowers: the London painting, the Van Gogh Museum painting and the Yasuda painting. We are told two paintings of sun flowers are mentioned in Van Gogh's letters to his brother. Also mentioned from time to time is the Van Gogh painting of sunflowers destroyed in the fire bombing of Tokyo in 1945. Which painting was that?
@holymartinez5510
@holymartinez5510 Год назад
Bravo! Excelente documental.
@DANTHETUBEMAN
@DANTHETUBEMAN 6 лет назад
what are the chances that genuine paintings end up in the forgery bin?
@anthonyfowler8634
@anthonyfowler8634 4 года назад
There is a very good reason to keep Vincent’s letters out of circulation but when revealed heads will spin some will role!
@throow
@throow 4 года назад
Today some historians believe, that it was Paul Gauguin who cut part of Vincent's ear of in a fight.
@autodidact2499
@autodidact2499 4 года назад
It's "The Fake van Goghs" not "The Fake Van [sic] Gogh's [sic]". Plural nouns are not made with an apostrophe.
@peezebeuponyou3774
@peezebeuponyou3774 4 года назад
It's also 'van Gogh', with a lower case 'v'...
@autodidact2499
@autodidact2499 4 года назад
@@peezebeuponyou3774Thanks for the correction.
@cweakley
@cweakley 3 года назад
You have a sharp eye. No educated person would make such a mistake. I suspect this documentary is a fake.
@lewis8585
@lewis8585 6 лет назад
There's one point that to me seems to make it an obvious fake. It wasn't noted in his Johanna's inventory. We are talking about a lady who was extremely meticulous and yet we are to believe she made a mistake, one single mistake during inventory and it happened to be this painting? I highly doubt that. Then if you add on all the other evidence; crappy painting technique, a poor copy by anyone's standards, etc. It is highly probable that this is a fake. The evidence that it is authentic is very slim at best.
@bethbartlett5692
@bethbartlett5692 5 лет назад
Have a theory - *(The painting is authentic - he was testing elements of paint compounds* - *He never intended to release it - thus never signed the painting* - *Possibly did it 1st, liked the subject, but wasn't pleased with the paint clarity, once dry.)* I know absolutely nothing about this case - it merely is a mix of intuition, logic, and an understanding of the era Artitst's search for improvements of their tool products.
@jeancarlosartist
@jeancarlosartist 4 года назад
Beth Bartlett and the Japanese knew it!
@johnnydtractive
@johnnydtractive 5 лет назад
Great documentary. To me, the black heart of the art world is personified in the quote from Tom Hoving, ex-Director of the Met Museum, at 48:04 where he says "And since it's not ever going to be for re-sale, does it matter?" Or maybe not black heart--maybe green heart. The only thing that matters, seemingly, to the art world is the dollar value. Whereas Van Gogh's paintings, none of which he was even able to sell in his lifetime, were anti-materialist, about all the invisible things in life that are more valuable than money.
@JunkdafunkBoy
@JunkdafunkBoy 5 лет назад
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@soxpeewee
@soxpeewee 6 лет назад
If it is "visually inferior" it's not surprising that Van Gogh wouldn't mention it. He painted a lot of things he didn't write about. Also it was recently found to be genuine. The "muddy" colors have to do with the chemical reactions of the paint to the jute material it was painted on. Van Gogh was not well off financially and frequently expiramented with mediums. Also the farther along in his life he went the darker the paintings became.
@hugolindum7728
@hugolindum7728 5 лет назад
The killer isn't the visual difference - it's the sister-in-law, who had all the paintings, never listed it. That is difficult to explain.
@thomasromano9321
@thomasromano9321 5 лет назад
That's true, but the darkest painting I felt Van Gogh executed was his last, "Crows Over the Cornfield," created just before his suicide.
@woodwanderer
@woodwanderer 5 лет назад
The painting you refer to (Wheat field with Crows) is not actually his last painting, or at least while it may have been painted late in his life there are other works that are suspected to have been painted after.
@mylesgarcia4625
@mylesgarcia4625 5 лет назад
@@woodwanderer From the grave???
@bio-plasmictoad5311
@bio-plasmictoad5311 5 лет назад
When he first started his paintings where very dark Grey's brown's and greens. He started to be more colourful as he went on, if anything his colour were more muted and or deeper, but I would not call them dark, that was his first paintings done in Belgium/Holland.
@americalost5100
@americalost5100 4 года назад
Such a shame Theo never believed in his brother's work when he was alive.
@jari2018
@jari2018 4 года назад
When relatives has decided theri relative is crazy then there is no turning back -much like the illness itself which would imply the relatives are also affected by the same illness but in deny .Ask a alcholic is he one ..you will not get a admittance.
@americalost5100
@americalost5100 4 года назад
@cosmicVox13 from what I understand Theo never tried to sell Vincent's paintings even though he was an art dealer. They went right under the bed. Maybe I'm wrong......?
@debranchelowtone
@debranchelowtone 2 года назад
@@americalost5100 They didn't want to sell right away. They built a collection to sell later at a better price.
@jamesanonymous2343
@jamesanonymous2343 4 года назад
how tender the field of Sunflowers, all staring at us in that curious manner of theirs. Vincent must have been staring back !
@melware2784
@melware2784 4 года назад
Wrong variety !!
@granskare
@granskare 5 лет назад
I recall many years ago that Kansas made the sunflower the state flower, in Iowa they declared it a noxious weed. They often joke like this :)
@mediocreman6323
@mediocreman6323 5 лет назад
Somebody tell the Japanese that the unwillingness to face an inconvenient truth is the epitome of shameful behaviour.
@jeancarlosartist
@jeancarlosartist 4 года назад
mediocre man It does look ugly and fake... but, what if it is real? what if it is a study or a post painting by the man himself and the Japanese can tell, and don't feel the need to educate tge rest of the world? It is a possibility I don't discard.
@ggurks
@ggurks 3 года назад
@@jeancarlosartist I'm sure if nobody said it's fake you would never say it's ugly
@jankocelebic5124
@jankocelebic5124 6 лет назад
Much has been said in the comments so I won't repeat...But I must point out the irony of these pictures.Worth nothing while he was alive,worth millions now.The only thing that has driven this man is his passion for painting.He will always be my favorite painter.One day I hope to visit his museum in Amsterdam.For me he will always be the best painter that walked this strange planet.
@ajoyandbasantibaksi5236
@ajoyandbasantibaksi5236 5 лет назад
Well Janko, I hope you make it to the Museum soon. I went there in 2000, was blown away totally. And would love to return, now that (I think) I understand art a bit better. By the way, Van Gogh is one of my (four) favorite painters. Two were Italian and two Dutch - any guesses?
@skystanlake173
@skystanlake173 4 года назад
I'd believe skeptics with education more than anyone official. Skeptics have their reputation etc on the line when they come forward, official entities have their money etc on the line when the truth comes out.
@binmaulin892
@binmaulin892 2 года назад
This story was first told in a novel entitled A Visitor to A Paint Dealer, published in the July 2002 edition of the Chung Wai Literary Monthly. Please note the source.
@Emma13684
@Emma13684 5 лет назад
Wow! I didn’t know that it was Theo s wife who was the custodian of Vincent s art.
@Mpayne1472
@Mpayne1472 3 года назад
Yes Theo died not long after Vincent
@bostonblackie9503
@bostonblackie9503 3 года назад
I honestly didn't know he had married.
@Gwailo54
@Gwailo54 5 лет назад
The Fake Van Goghs, not The Fake Van Gogh's.
@sytran666
@sytran666 5 лет назад
Van gocks
@MichSignMan
@MichSignMan 4 года назад
You capitalized the word "fake"? WRONG!!!
@christiangeiselmann
@christiangeiselmann 4 года назад
MichSignMan In a title/headline, it is correct.
@thomask940
@thomask940 4 года назад
The apostrophe denotes possession when used in the context of a noun. No apostrophe is required when used in the plural.
@magmasunburst9331
@magmasunburst9331 4 года назад
What amazing closing words.
@TheSteveGullick
@TheSteveGullick Год назад
Why would ANYONE at the time want to fake one of his pictures which were considered worthless at the time.
@lesdobson7921
@lesdobson7921 5 лет назад
Not convinced at all. He may simply have not signed it because he wasn,t satisfied with it. Doesn,t mean he didn,t paint it !
@lestariabadi
@lestariabadi 6 лет назад
Having close relative & many friends who are bipolar schizoafektif, I tend to think one of the prettiest painting & the ugliest copy are the genuine one. The 2nd prettiest is the fake. Bipolar schizoafektif people are brilliant, happy & smart one moment (or days) then completely dulll the next. That may be the reason why Vincent van Gogh copied his own painting, to see the difference himself, for they tend to be more sane during the dull time.
@lewis8585
@lewis8585 6 лет назад
If that's the case, why didn't his widow note it in inventory? You'd have to accept this is the one mistake she made during inventory. When you look at all the other factors (painting technique, lack of mention in letters etc.) that would be one heck of a coincidence.
@tamaraj4200
@tamaraj4200 5 лет назад
Learn to spell
@maunster3414
@maunster3414 5 лет назад
Hey Grifty Tamara, where exzctly zee schpelling mistake in dat reeply u mentshuned?
@jekalambert9412
@jekalambert9412 3 года назад
I hope nobody analyzes my artwork 100 years after I pass. They will be confounded not only by the inconsistency between the colors and line work but also the range of styles and materials I use. I'm sure some of it will be declared "fake".
@sonomawinetourdrivers3895
@sonomawinetourdrivers3895 4 года назад
As a chauffeur I drove a French businessman and I asked what was his favorite Paris Bistro?..."I don't know" he said ..."there are so many"...keeping his secret...
@jamesanonymous2343
@jamesanonymous2343 4 года назад
Never let another know what you're thinking, it keeps you ahead in "The Game"
@suearengo6839
@suearengo6839 5 лет назад
doing more than one painting a day would be perfectly possible for van gogh...they were done at speed
@silva7493
@silva7493 2 года назад
Yes, not infrequently he painted more than one painting per day. I really marvel when I think about that.
@stephaniedescoteaux4759
@stephaniedescoteaux4759 5 лет назад
The Americans bombed the original painting in Japan.
@Vothtrucks
@Vothtrucks 4 года назад
A wonderful opportunity to watch numerous commercials...... confusing your focus on the information you thought you may enjoy.
@jamesanonymous2343
@jamesanonymous2343 3 года назад
AT 1:42 TOM HOVING SAYS, "IT DOES'NT HAVE THAT SNAP" I HAVE A COPY ON CANVAS, AND I'VE LISTENED CAREFULLY OVER THE YEARS, AND MINE MAKES NO "SNAP", EITHER. IF I KNEW THAT WHEN I BOUGHT IT, I WOULD HAVE TAKEN IT BACK TO THE DEALER,,,,,,OH WELL ! "SNAPLESS VAN GOGH DILEMMA"
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