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Is wokeness replacing religion? with Richard Dawkins 

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Here's an excerpt of my conversation with Richard Dawkins on "Is wokeness replacing religion?" where we talk about the budding argument of wokeness, the consequences of the decline of Christianity and religion in the culture, and much more.
The full episode “Human Mind: Into The Unknown” with Richard Dawkins is now out for all via - bit.ly/3yc9YpA
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@ek5273
@ek5273 2 года назад
As a secular person I think Dawkin's insistence of replacing christianity with science rather than wokeness is way too simplistic. Science is a methodology not a value system.
@torshops
@torshops 2 года назад
true.. science isnt suitable as a grand narrative
@russelltimmerman3771
@russelltimmerman3771 2 года назад
Science is also not a moral narrative. We motivate and navigate our world thru the narratives we tell each other and ourselves not thru disembodied facts.
@samhand8270
@samhand8270 2 года назад
@@russelltimmerman3771 I’m pretty sure that’s the point op was making
@giuliapernoi7489
@giuliapernoi7489 2 года назад
Actually morality CAN be explained by science! It's whatever these reasons are accepted by society or not that make the difference
@jhitchcock5503
@jhitchcock5503 2 года назад
@@giuliapernoi7489 it can be explained by science but it cannot be manage our inspired by science.
@FadyMegally
@FadyMegally 2 года назад
Coleman I have the gut feeling that the religions shaped hole is actually a yearning for acceptance by society and because religion typically for the longest time has been the measuring stick for that acceptance . We accepted ppl who adhere to the same code of conduct. So I think wokeism has become the new code of conduct
@ditkovichpaysmyrent
@ditkovichpaysmyrent 2 года назад
Whoa that’s a good thought
@hartyewh1
@hartyewh1 2 года назад
We are a social species and any meaning we can hope to find is linked to others. Seeking meaning even in philosophy or science can easily turn twisted if one needs it to feel that their existence is worthwhile. Everything we need can be gotten from other people and we in turn can offer it to them.
@FadyMegally
@FadyMegally 2 года назад
@@hartyewh1 you're correct and religion is born out of that need is my hypothesis. It's a codification of it . Among other things
@MattHabermehl
@MattHabermehl 2 года назад
@@FadyMegally I've heard it suggested that religion is a kind of social technology that provides a cookbook for social cohesion, including rules, values, stories/mythologies, and celebrations. Jesus, at the time of the Roman occupation, preached a message of peaceful coexistence with other cultures (set aside historical power-grabs in the name, but not spirit, of God). Turn the other cheek, love thy neighbour, etc. His message of redemption when you sacrifice your animal instincts to the dictates of love.. All things that encourage restrained and pro-social behavior in difficult circumstances. And perhaps it is most likely, within these frameworks, that one is able to develop the deepest and most long-lived interpersonal relationships. Is this what you have in mind?
@FadyMegally
@FadyMegally 2 года назад
@@MattHabermehl partly yes. it's true that Jesus outlined a very good blueprint for a happy and cohesive society .. but i think what I was getting at was the proclamation of one's religion that in a secular sense has been dubbed "virtue signaling". When someone sees that a certain set of beliefs is the most revered ..it's socially beneficial to proclaim adopting said beliefs. In a sense people use religion as some sort of a social currency for its face value. And ppl will want to adopt the most widely accepted of all social currencies. Wokeism fulfills that aspect I think
@ileumofgod
@ileumofgod 2 года назад
I used to think we could all agree that A = A until it became impossible to say men aren’t women without being called a bigot.
@notloki3377
@notloki3377 2 года назад
depends what you mean by a, champ.
@FarhanAmin1994
@FarhanAmin1994 10 дней назад
​@@notloki3377 And that's exactly the point. A vocal minority, all by itself, wants to push a non-organic alternation (not organic evolution) of language by suddenly deciding not just to redefine A (in terms that societies at large were unaware of until about 2010ish) but also to attempt to decree that those who do not treat the new definition of A as sacred and binding are not just antediluvian or bigoted, but even harmful. That is a catastrophically awful direction for free speech first, free thought next and society eventually.
@notloki3377
@notloki3377 9 дней назад
@@FarhanAmin1994 no arguments with that. my concern was just with the formal logical quality of the statement, not speciifically related to transgenderism or any other thing.
@FarhanAmin1994
@FarhanAmin1994 9 дней назад
@@notloki3377 fair point
@af4396
@af4396 Год назад
It's definitely a pattern in my anecdotal experience, that the friends I grew up with that were raised without religion have never had these existential crisis issues, guilt issues, needing to be part of some cult-like group think assembly. Can't say the same for my friends that came from religious backgrounds, and then left. I think that alleviation of responsibility and independence that religion gave them, left a mark on their psyche. This obviously is a generalization, but it seems to be something I observe consistently enough.
@SStupendous
@SStupendous Год назад
Please do read up on what Yuval Noah Harari says in the first half of Sapiens; religion is one of the many ways humans interact and unite. He explains how and why it is quite well.
@jonjonboi3701
@jonjonboi3701 Год назад
Humans don’t necessarily need religion to be moral and to have meaning in life
@richardrahl2685
@richardrahl2685 Год назад
I've never thought about it in this manner but as i contemplate it now, I can definitely agree that this has also been my experience.
@redrum3405
@redrum3405 Год назад
The problem with that is that many atheists went woke. Maybe they had an early religious belief but…. My take is that everyone can be infected
@piertinence
@piertinence Год назад
The concept that life was invested with an evolutionary dynamism from its assumed micro-organistic origin is supported by witchcraft and not by actual science. The tale of land mammals having returned to the ocean in order to evolve into all kinds of sea mammals is not even bad science fiction. It was an act of genius for Darwin to present the concept of an evolutionary creation founded on the hallucinations, Darwin had in the Galapagos as a science. "Darwinism has become our culture's official creation myth, protected by a priesthood as dogmatic as any religious curia.”
@markb4021
@markb4021 2 года назад
Thank you Coleman for this interview. Makes me consider many important questions.
@LordLewsTheDragon
@LordLewsTheDragon 2 года назад
Dawkins statement that "it would be pathetic if..." is basically a non-sequitur. If religion (superstition in his mind) were advantageous (and it's nearly uniform ubiquity in human lineages indicates that it was advantageous) then it would of course leave a "hole" which would be felt because tens of thousands of years of humans evolved the underlying conditions which led to the rise of this ubiquitous social mechanism. It being something pathetic or laudable isn't relevant. Only if it is, or isn't real.
@4x4r974
@4x4r974 2 года назад
"religion" in your context does not mean christianity and islam. It means community and ritual. You can have that. You can't have totalitarian dogmas that control your life.
@Avengerie
@Avengerie 2 года назад
@@4x4r974 I think he would object even to that. Belief in reincarnation or karma is not dogmatic, but there is no evidence for it, something he would find problematic.
@Avengerie
@Avengerie 2 года назад
Yeah, that was pathetic. After advocating for science and logic for decades all he can offer in reply to the question is “I hope it’s not the case, because that would go against my view of humanity and would be very troubling for me personally”. And now we have doctors playing gods with kids’ gender, late-term abortions and people getting baptised on the spot where George Floyd died. Nothing religious about that. Not at all…
@LordLewsTheDragon
@LordLewsTheDragon 2 года назад
@@4x4r974 what do you mean "my context"?
@LordLewsTheDragon
@LordLewsTheDragon 2 года назад
@Somewhatskeptical I am arguing exactly what you are saying: the underlying human conditions which made it ubiquitous must have been advantageous, because otherwise you have human lineages who waste time and resources (burned offerings for example) competing with lineages that do not have this waste, and the wasteful lineages win? Nearly every time? Everywhere? The same humans exist today, so the "religion shaped hole" of course will need to be filled because we are just animals. While our behavior is more loosely connected with our genes than any other animal (that we know of) Dawkins still shouldn't be surprised but this. The author of "the selfish gene" should probably understand and accept "the religious genre" is all I'm saying.
@ollyb7570
@ollyb7570 2 года назад
Believing in dogma saves you from having to think deeply, provides a sense of certainty, and bonds groups together who share the dogma. This is why religion is so persistent, and where religion is rejected a new dogma is found to achieve the same ends (be it political, ideological etc). Dawkins was a huge influence on my life but I always felt he was ultimately naive about human nature.
@SG-dq5pj
@SG-dq5pj 2 года назад
He was also OK with US imperialism and same with Sam Harris
@mikearchibald744
@mikearchibald744 2 года назад
Thats what most of his friends even said. The fact is we don't KNOW most things. So 'certainty' doesn't entere into it. If a society has to say "god says don't kill other people' to make it stick, I'm ok with that.
@topsuperseven7910
@topsuperseven7910 2 года назад
When did you believe in 'dogma' and why aren't you aware of religions in general (most any dogma) being nothing but the deepest thoughts of mankind, deep thinkers and have you ever been to a bible study that goes on for hours and hours where all they want to do is extract deep thoughts, debate deep ideas, formulate, handle and invent the deep thoughts. It's bizarre you can write things you write - so opposite of anything that happens in real life, so stunningly ignorant you're arrogant about the things you say lol
@nateb118
@nateb118 2 года назад
I believe it is even simpler than that. The unknown creates fear, fear decreases survival, religion reduces fear by "reducing" the unknown thereby reducing fear. Those who don't allow anxiety and fear to take over do better getting out of danger; so even if the underlying "explanation" of the unknown or unknowable is fabricated, the reduction of fear is real.
@topsuperseven7910
@topsuperseven7910 2 года назад
@@nateb118 Why do you believe the unknown creates fear? weirdly, you think a sense of fear reduces survival. You're a mess lol
@malik_alharb
@malik_alharb Год назад
I love Richard Dawkins
@piertinence
@piertinence Год назад
It was brilliant of Darwin to present the modern pagan creation myth of evolution as a science while putting, a secular deity he named natural selection in charge of the never ending magical process. Darwinist evangelist, atheist Dawkins made himself filthy rich by preaching the Darwinian gospel.
@Ma1q444
@Ma1q444 6 месяцев назад
Pause
@BillyBob-lt5nr
@BillyBob-lt5nr 2 года назад
As usual, Dawkins is asked deep, thoughtful, and pertinent philosophical questions, and answers with inadequate, predictable and delusional personal opinions; reveling his worldview of wishful thinking in regards to human nature, societal structures, and even the epistemological limits of science itself. I actually find myself much more interested in Coleman Hughes's thoughts and opinions at this point, and this has been my first introduction to him.
@Tgruss
@Tgruss 2 года назад
Really just shows a lack of introspection on his part.
@johnkarlin3398
@johnkarlin3398 9 месяцев назад
Coleman Hughes is disingenuous in that he misrepresents what "woke" is. For example; he said that woke sees straight white men as "evil" this is patently false and has never been a view of "woke".
@tomcoop9750
@tomcoop9750 2 года назад
As a moderate agnostic, I worry that a decline in faith is a major cause in young men feeling purposeless, depressed, and nihilistic. Any discussion involving morality is shut down under the guise of it being cringy, conservative, out of touch, puritanical, or dogmatic. In my opinion, this is very bad.
@Time_to_Stop_Animal_Abuse
@Time_to_Stop_Animal_Abuse 2 года назад
Japan & S Korea, even China is all secular, but it's not like this... We think ur Individualism is the problem as opposed to our Collectivism culture lol. No offense, but honestly, we think y'all think/talk about urselves too much. I think that's why Wokeness hasn't caught on in N. E. Asia & E. Asia. Ex of Collectivism: I was so embarrassed by fellow Koreans' obviously nationalistic UTube comments - ie., under Yunchan's viral Rach 3 video 😋 - that I wrote in Korean, "Pls, for the sake of ur country, stop commenting - y'all r overdoing it; AND, pls don't say those things too ... this isn't a Korean upload!" 🙄🤦‍♀️
@coryb8796
@coryb8796 2 года назад
@@Time_to_Stop_Animal_Abuse That is possible. Europe is more collectivized than the US and are dealing with Wokeness but to a lesser degree. I think more likely is that East and NE Asia are largely culturally homogenous. There appears to be less inter-cultural grievances as the history, the language, the myths, the stories are all shared, though that may also be why collectivization is far more organic in those places
@SG-dq5pj
@SG-dq5pj 2 года назад
Why couldn’t it be joblessness amd capitalism etc
@tomcoop9750
@tomcoop9750 2 года назад
@Somewhatskeptical I think that depends on the religion. Also, disagreement doesn’t equal hate (even though many atrocities have been wrongfully committed under the guise of religion). People often take religion out of context to excuse their behavior. I love science, but it doesn’t explain “why” but “how”. It’s a tool, not an effective guide for morality.
@tomcoop9750
@tomcoop9750 2 года назад
@Somewhatskeptical I agree with everything you said. Maybe I worded it poorly. I guess what I mean is that people often have trouble finding meaning and purpose through solely objective facts (based on my anecdotal observations). Science certainly informs our moral guidelines - but I don’t know if it inherently brings us a sense of meaning and fulfillment. Altruism (often taught in religion) is seemingly pointless from an evolutionary perspective, but helping those that cannot help us in return is often the most rewarding (even if it will get us ostracized from a group).
@jedimmj11
@jedimmj11 2 года назад
A key factor missing from the correlation between religious societies and low levels of happiness, is that bad experiences reliably pushes people towards religion. For example, after the massive earthquake in New Zealand there was a large increase in religious affiliation.
@mikearchibald744
@mikearchibald744 2 года назад
Yes, thats circular argumentation. So somebody comes out and says they are trans, people then make their life a living hell, then use the argument that "see, you come out as trans and your life willl be a living hell". And there are VERY different levels of religious belief, from those who hardly thin k about it to zealots who think of nothing else.
@petermeyer6873
@petermeyer6873 Год назад
I would like to precise your claim further: Its not bad experiences in general, it is mostly experiences of impotency/incapability that make the easy way out by imagining to "have someone with unproportionally more power on your side (aka a god)" look so sweet, whether the problem is an earthquake, an errupting vulcano, poverty, suppression, weakness in all forms including illness or simply more bad luck than someone can cope with. The whish to have an omnipotent friend usually stems from impotency.
@wakkablockablaw6025
@wakkablockablaw6025 Год назад
Yeah, it's also why many prisoners become theists/religious. Religion gives people hope.
@fergalcussen
@fergalcussen 2 года назад
Nicholas Wade's book "the Faith Instinct" argues that religious faith is an inbuilt part of the human mind, akin to language. It would help explain why many people who stop believing in religion often end up believing in something else, such as a political ideology, as if it's a religion.
@tomcoop9750
@tomcoop9750 2 года назад
I recall hearing that as religion declines, pseudoscience increases - tarot cards, astrology, crystals, Goop, etc. lol
@christopherhamilton3621
@christopherhamilton3621 2 года назад
No: that’s called begging the question & misses the real needs which are NOT satisfied by mere ‘belief’.
@jonjonboi3701
@jonjonboi3701 2 года назад
Political ideology is not a religion
@christopherhamilton3621
@christopherhamilton3621 2 года назад
Nicholas Wade is wrong. And so are the pushers of the whole ‘God shaped hole in one’s heart’ nonsense.
@Ismael_Malikshahi
@Ismael_Malikshahi Год назад
​@@jonjonboi3701 Nazism is religion communism is religion librilism is religion atheism is religion faith and belief are in everybody the only difference is shape of it
@Muonium1
@Muonium1 2 года назад
Being a non-believer in any kind of supernatural phenomena, when I first heard this argument that "it's condescending and contemptuous of humanity to expect that people need to fill a 'god shaped hole'" from Dawkins about 15 years ago I mostly believed and sympathized with it. Today, after witnessing the god shaped hole inexorably grow and just as rapidly get filled with the neo-religion of woke ideology, not so much. I now think that religious, or at least some kind of irrational belief in the vast majority of people is ineradicable and inescapable. He says that science and reason should instill sufficient awe in people instead, and for me, it does. My whole life is science, I understand science and scientific concepts at a very deep level, and I love scientific inquiry. But most people haven't got the slightest clue as to how science works, it doesn't interest or inspire them in the least. One in four people believe the Sun goes round the Earth, and that number hasn't budged in decades. There is nothing we can do to even remotely convince VAST swathes of people that a scientific and rational worldview will suffice in the absence of their ardently held religious beliefs. So I'm sorry Dr. Dawkins, but if that makes me contemptuous of humanity, well I cannot escape the accusation then I suppose. So be it.
@PublicCommerce
@PublicCommerce 2 года назад
The key is viewing it as an "alcohol shaped hole".
@davidowen74
@davidowen74 2 года назад
Not just the god hole but all the rituals of religion exist in woke culture. The belief in irrational ideas. Blasphemy laws. Inquisition. Purges. Damnation etc
@jonathanbell7287
@jonathanbell7287 2 года назад
it may come as surprise to you that there are legions of folks with a "scientific and rational worldview" who still seek a "spiritual" life and who believe in some idea of God or creator. There is no inherent, necessary contradiction between scientific exploration and God. There are too many important scientists and mathematicians to name who reconciled these two inclinations.
@3str4ng3d
@3str4ng3d 2 года назад
"One in four people believe the Earth goes round the Sun" It kinda does :D
@gilmillan4575
@gilmillan4575 2 года назад
The fact that he thinks the idea of a "God shaped hole" is contemptuous of humanity says a lot about him. First it shows that he thinks that people are worthy of contempt just for hoping that there's a deeper meaning to life than just atheistic materialism. It also shows, interestingly enough, that he is more concerned with the moral implications of believing this idea rather than the simple question of whether or not it's true. Furthermore, his assertion that it's contemptuous is just flat out wrong. Recognizing a problem with society is a necessary step in order to figure out how to make it better. But apparently he's just too arrogant (after all the evangelizing for atheism that he's done) to consider that there might be a problem at a societal level with people ceasing to believe in God. One of the problems with atheism is this: It's very difficult to argue for moral truth from an atheistic standpoint. More people becoming atheists means more people becoming moral relativists. That's a huge problem. And it's not the only one.
@The-Art-Enthusiast-May
@The-Art-Enthusiast-May Год назад
Richard Dawkins is one of my favorite people What a great thinker!
@TheEverFreeKing
@TheEverFreeKing 9 месяцев назад
No he's a low IQ idiot who has been debunked decades ago. I think he's slowly starting to realize he was wrong even if he doesn't want to admit it this is him taking his ultimate L.
@randygault4564
@randygault4564 2 года назад
That religion-shaped hole was carved there, by religion itself. The atheists of the 2010s failed to repair the hole that religion cut, and so woke walked right into it.
@jonjonboi3701
@jonjonboi3701 2 года назад
I disagree. People who lose their religion don’t create a hole and wokism isn’t replacing it. Religion is not needed for society
@TruthDissident
@TruthDissident 2 года назад
Religion obviously has an evolutionary advantage. Dawkins kvetches about not accepting the world as it is but yet he cannot accept the world as it obviously is.
@TruthDissident
@TruthDissident 2 года назад
@@jonjonboi3701 You're a simpleton that doesn't understand evolutionary psychology. Religion has been integral in almost every single society that we study. This isn't some accidental thing.
@HenrikAkselsen
@HenrikAkselsen 2 года назад
I think the main function of religion is the feeling of shared cause and unity. In that sense the "God-shaped hole" is not necessarily the trait of an individual, but rather of a group that "needs" a common enemy.
@thinkislamcheckmychannel
@thinkislamcheckmychannel 2 года назад
False. There is no 'Function' for religion. It either is true or not. You assume you're worldview to be wrong. But you cannot have certainty it is. The point of reliving is to warn and to give give news. Warning of punishment for rejecting your creator and a massive reward for accepting your creator.
@SStupendous
@SStupendous Год назад
@@thinkislamcheckmychannel Sure bud
@SStupendous
@SStupendous Год назад
Read on about what Yuval Noah Harari says about religion in Sapiens - it's a great section of the book.
@thinkislamcheckmychannel
@thinkislamcheckmychannel Год назад
@@SStupendous can you give the main points
@SStupendous
@SStupendous Год назад
@@thinkislamcheckmychannel In specific I'm referring to his main section about religion in the book, being Part 3 - the Unification of Humankind, starting page 179. Read the whole section and you'll be enlightened.
@kitkatcats3360
@kitkatcats3360 2 года назад
People NEED a guiding myth. They will never abandon myths, but they might trade. We are witnessing the rejection of God and the replacement with Social Justice, Climate Change, Gender And Racial Obsessions, etc. Just because Dawkins doesn’t need a Myth doesn’t mean he can speak for all people. Dawkins is arrogant to think all other people SHOULD adopt his viewpoint. Logic and reason are not enough for most people.
@jonjonboi3701
@jonjonboi3701 2 года назад
Bullshit
@kogoromori30
@kogoromori30 Год назад
You're missing the most important point: It are religions that want all people around the globe to adopt their beliefs.
@samhand8270
@samhand8270 2 года назад
It’s interesting that none of the Four Horsemen of the New Atheism movement have ever acknowledged that wokism cannabalized and destroyed that movement, perhaps merely because they weren’t very involved with the politics and organization of it. But God, I wish Hitch were still around to share his thoughts. I’m not a huge proponent of the brand of cult Atheism those gentlemen spawned but Christopher Hitchens was an undeniably brilliant and thoughtful guy and he would’ve had the courage and integrity to admit that this new woke religion deserves just as much contempt as the other religions he railed against.
@BethGrantDeRoos
@BethGrantDeRoos 2 года назад
OMGosh I was thinking the same thing Sam Hand!!
@matthewsinclair507
@matthewsinclair507 2 года назад
Douglas Murray is doing a good job.
@mattsch21
@mattsch21 2 года назад
Why does wokism have anything to do with Christopher hitchens or Sam Harris or Dawkins or whoever? Sam Harris has been anti wokism the entire time. What movement are you even talking about? The movement of several million completely disconnected people who bought some books? It sounds like you're on the internet a little too much to me. Almost anyone that I know who I would describe as woke would never read any type of book written by Dawkins or Harris or hitchens. These people are obsessed with social media and social capital acquisition. They don't read nonfiction books almost at all unless they are told to read certain books to gain this social capital. Describing "new atheism" as a movement is pathetic and it makes me think that you are the type of person looking for religion. If you feel sad that the "new atheism" movement moved on from you then you thought you were part of essentially a religious movement and you need to go join a church and stop being obsessed with people you don't know on the internet.
@samhand8270
@samhand8270 2 года назад
@@matthewsinclair507 Yes he is!
@Avengerie
@Avengerie 2 года назад
I don’t like the lionisation surrounding Hitchens, but I will always respect him for coming out against “enhanced interrogation techniques” after previously not seeing anything wrong with them and agreeing to get waterboarded for 3 seconds for a Vanity Fair video project. On one hand, it raises an issue of what else has he been so adamant about while being very much in the wrong. On the other hand, it speaks to his incredible intellectual integrity and bravery.
@evanb4189
@evanb4189 2 года назад
If you wanna criticize anything effectively, you have to take it seriously. That is the problem with Dawkins.
@BillyBob-lt5nr
@BillyBob-lt5nr 2 года назад
Nail on the head.
@Hammster99
@Hammster99 2 года назад
Dawkins is successful. Science has provided him fame and fortune. This isn't the case for most people. Science fills that hole for him, but it probably won't for most people.
@jonjonboi3701
@jonjonboi3701 Год назад
Maybe not most but for many people it won’t
@SStupendous
@SStupendous Год назад
@@jonjonboi3701"For most" and "For many people" are more or less the same thing. Definitely true that MOST don't recall have genuine interest or in-depth knowledge about Science.
@nicknorizadeh4336
@nicknorizadeh4336 Год назад
Very true
@johnbatson8779
@johnbatson8779 Год назад
does for me
@larslover6559
@larslover6559 Год назад
Yes his crusade against God surely has lined his pockets and given him fame
@ProsperingWoman
@ProsperingWoman 2 года назад
I think both men need to think long and hard about the word "Sacred." I've met few atheists who had "hope" of any kind; most have been nihilists. Morality only comes from truth; and we live in a post truth world. Dawkins ought to actually read the Old Testament, for its content rather than as mere literature. Religious people are happier because they have HOPE. Even in Secular countries in Europe - they haven't abandoned the church altogether, they still go there for Christmas, Easter, Weddings, Baptisms, Funerals - which is odd, because there is no reason for truly secular people to observe any of those things.
@christopherhamilton3621
@christopherhamilton3621 2 года назад
I’m glad you specified your experience. I think you’ll find there is less nihilism now in these circles: to continue to label atheism as nihilistic is to do it a grave injustice which only serves to strawman it in a Christian apologetics paradigm. More and more folk are beginning to see ‘sacred’ as not just the domain of religion & Christendom, etc. Defining it properly would go a long way to reconciling maters, to be honest.
@paulweeldreyer7457
@paulweeldreyer7457 2 года назад
Humans will always need existential meaning, whether Hitchens, Harris, Nietzsche etc want it to be true or not.
@thegroove2000
@thegroove2000 2 года назад
Noting wrong with that. That's philosophy. The problem is when someone claims and argues that they know something to be true when they have no evidence. God is a perfect example. Arguably then a delusion.
@thorstenmarquardt7274
@thorstenmarquardt7274 2 года назад
if exploring the universe and erradicating suffering and death are not existential meaning for you, then not even god can help you
@joshboston2323
@joshboston2323 2 года назад
@@thorstenmarquardt7274 --erradicating suffering and death? Without death, no life. Without suffering, no happiness.
@thorstenmarquardt7274
@thorstenmarquardt7274 2 года назад
@@joshboston2323 there is life without death
@josephcro2138
@josephcro2138 2 года назад
@@thorstenmarquardt7274 I would disagree with both points on irradicating suffering and exploring universe as the source of meaning. To some, sure, to others not so much. A lot people even derive meaning from suffering, and exploring universe is a moot subject. Entire physical reality is beyond human comprehension. That's why religion is an extremely condensed outlook on entire reality to make it digestible to humans. It is impossible to comprehend infinite creation, and the question of its creator will always occupy human minds
@cameronlapworth2284
@cameronlapworth2284 Год назад
I remain convinced...what a wonderful statement Coleman. You in one part of one sentence perfectly express a commitment to humility to open mindedness and still expressing an opinion. I will try to use that in conversation more often.
@Webhead123
@Webhead123 2 года назад
I hope Dawkins makes another trip out to my city at some point. He was here giving a lecture and book signing a year or two ago and I couldn't make it but I would love to get a chance to see him in person.
@SurrealFeelz
@SurrealFeelz 2 года назад
Short answer: Yes Long answer: Absolutely
@jonjonboi3701
@jonjonboi3701 2 года назад
I disagree. You know that many conservatives aren’t even religious
@shabazz360
@shabazz360 2 года назад
Science is science. It provides no code, no philosophy to live by. It’s not something you can solely live by.
@notloki3377
@notloki3377 2 года назад
yeah, it tells you how to make a bomb, doesn't tell you what to do with it. it can't. it's not that kind of tool.
@zeusthundrbolt
@zeusthundrbolt 2 года назад
I have followed Dr Hawkins all my life and his book the selfish gene had more impact on my life then anything or anyone. Over time I also believed that religion is a force for evil and best be abandoned. But as I have grown older and I have seen woke ideologues take center stage in my kids and neices lives , I have been forced to rethink. I see the calm that religious believe gives to my mom and helps her deal with adversity in life. I see the younger generation having absorbed the woke values to give meaning to their lives. And I am now convinced that the religious upbringing I had was essential and I wish at times that I had not broken free of it and was foolish enough to keep believing and hence have more meaning in my own life. Even if religion is not necessary for all of one’s life , it is mighty important to keep one centered and give a foundation in morality. As the ability to reason develops, those values that one acquired stay deep within one self and a sense of right and wrong stays around for good. One might even spend half one’s life trying to figure out if God truly exists or not. By the time one decides one way or the other, it’s too late for an alternate ideology to take hold and turn one into a cult member of woke or some other ideology.
@mattsch21
@mattsch21 2 года назад
It sounds like you're old and now you're scared of death and you did a terrible job of instilling values in your children. Sucks for you! Next time think about humanism and teach it to your children from birth and they won't be empty losers. If art and nature are not enough for you then you are a hopelessly unsatisfied loser forever and there's nothing anyone or anything could have ever done for you.
@Maytag99
@Maytag99 2 года назад
I think it's not religion that one needs, it's a philosophy and a certain kind of ethic. If we could have non-religious communities around these kinds of things, it would serve every positive purpose without the downside. That's why it's not enough to simply tear down religion, it has to be replaced with something.
@BenfromFlux
@BenfromFlux 2 года назад
@@Maytag99 this ☝️
@daveBit15
@daveBit15 2 года назад
@@Maytag99 I would describe it as spirituality. I'm not religious, but under some circumstances I can feel something I think is very close to religiousness.
@Maytag99
@Maytag99 2 года назад
@@daveBit15 That's a feeling called awe. You can feel it for all kinds of reasons, even just for looking at the stars. I'm not a fan of calling it "spiritual" because that implies some sort of spirits, and I think there's nothing actually supernatural about the feeling of being small or feeling like the world is big. At the same time, people also want to feel like they have a place to belong, and a sense of community. Religion provides those, and currently we really lack solid non-religious sources of those things.
@tomcotter4299
@tomcotter4299 2 года назад
Interesting point about axioms! That is the appeal of traditional religions in our current moment: They are grounded in [T]ruth. (a.k.a fundamental assumptions) In order to make a secular counterweight to the identitarian relativism, we also need to ground our opposition in some sort of Truth.
@zangetsu370
@zangetsu370 2 года назад
Like many people here I'm an atheist and years ago I used to think Dawkins was right, but not anymore. He is clearly wrong and it baffles me he doesn't want to accept it.
@richarddoan9172
@richarddoan9172 2 года назад
Wrong about what?
@tatpole99
@tatpole99 2 года назад
Mr Dawkins seems to have a fairly light grasp of the idea of original sin. Its actually a very liberating thing to recognise that you are imperfect, and need to move towards perfection, but are still loved. He also seems to be over-confident in our ability to be completely rational - what he would like and what is differ. I don't know if he has talked to many ordinary people, as he moves in academic circles. Most people have a pretty shaky if any grasp on science.
@jonjonboi3701
@jonjonboi3701 Год назад
There might be a correlation between the increase of Wokeism and the decline of religion or Christianity in the west. They are correlations but that doesn’t mean it is the causation of the problem
@mca4093
@mca4093 2 года назад
Dawkins has a religion. Its a secular beleif system that he religiously adheres to, with no oppeness to the possibility of being wrong.
@zxyatiywariii8
@zxyatiywariii8 2 года назад
Good point. Also when he said we can all agree "suffering is bad", I remembered how horrible rehab was for me. . . definitely suffering, but definitely good in the long run.
@tomjones8235
@tomjones8235 2 года назад
Agreed. Everyone has religion of some sort. Atheists have a religion based on science, secular philosophy, or whatever.
@jonjonboi3701
@jonjonboi3701 2 года назад
No Dawkins doesn’t have a religion because the definition of a religion means the belief in supernatural beings or a spiritual entity. Atheism isn’t a religion
@jonjonboi3701
@jonjonboi3701 2 года назад
@@tomjones8235 I disagree that everyone has a religion of some sort. The term secular religion is an oxymoron. The definition of religion means the belief in a supernatural being or a spiritual entity
@petermeyer6873
@petermeyer6873 Год назад
​@@jonjonboi3701 "The definition of religion means the belief in a supernatural being or a spiritual entity" That is just one definition of religion. Lets settle the problem with the other term MCA used: Dawkins has a "belief system". He calls it "humanism". It has been established in forms of several humanistic organisations. He has just been bitten in the ass by these organisations, as they are beeing taken over by the woke movement.
@s0cializedpsych0path
@s0cializedpsych0path 2 года назад
I would like to speak with Mr. Dawkins about NDEs. Since mine, I find it impossible NOT to believe in a God.... though, I would definitely say that I have not found that God in any religion. So I call myself a deist. The change in me is real, and so was the glimpse of my future that I got while dead.
@tonycatman
@tonycatman 2 года назад
I don't think Dawkins has a problem with pre deism. Neither does Sam Harris. Dawkins just considers it rather pointless, since it answers no questions and gives no answers. Also, since it is unfalsifiable, it isn't science (according to Popper's definition). For example, if you are a pure deist, does it say anything about how we should live our lives, or is there any evidence for an interventionist God ? Bear in mind we are only interested in questions and answers while we are mortal.
@beewithab6122
@beewithab6122 2 года назад
Can you share your NDE experience?
@TruthDissident
@TruthDissident 2 года назад
@@tonycatman If you believe God set up the universe in a particular way & there are laws that cannot be changed within our universe, yes it kinda does. It means we can study nature to derive the most optimal way we can live. It seems that morality requires God or atleast the presumption of God on some level. I despise Christianity btw. Just wanted to throw that out there lol.
@tonycatman
@tonycatman 2 года назад
@@TruthDissident You are kind of touching on Sam Harris's idea of the moral landscape. We still don't need a God. Our starting point is the laws that cannot be changed in our universe. We don't need to look at anything prior to then.
@frankforrestall
@frankforrestall 2 года назад
Listening to Dawkins talk about religion sounds like a conversation with my teenage atheist self. Every argument - indeed every book he's written on the topic - is aimed at a cliched straw-man of religious systems. I can't fault his work on evolutionary biology; but why do people have so much reverence for his opinion on a topic for which he is so contemptuous and chooses to remain a pedestrian thinker?
@visualclarity7955
@visualclarity7955 2 года назад
Simply because religion is a bunch of bullshit.
@tonycatman
@tonycatman 2 года назад
He's adjusted his speech and arguments to cater for an average audience. It is rare, but you can hear him conversing with sophisticated theologians. You can accuse Dawkins of many things, but he is one of the best science communicators in history. He was the Simonyi Professor for the public understanding of science at Cambridge.
@abcdeshole
@abcdeshole 2 года назад
Same. He published God Delusion when I was 17. I thought it was brilliant and spent about five years being an adolescent atheist edgelord before just growing out of it. It’s eerie coming back 16 years later and he’s still on it in his old age.
@frankforrestall
@frankforrestall 2 года назад
@@tonycatman When he talks about evolutionary biology he's brilliant. His book "Climbing Mount Improbable" was an amazing read. When it comes to religion, I he plainly doesn't understand the social psychology of religion. It's an entire academic field of which he's completely oblivious. Even in this clip he's unfamiliar with a key bit of research central to the discussion. It feels more like he has a personal axe to grind.
@gussampson5029
@gussampson5029 2 года назад
I really like Jordan Peterson's biblical lecture series. When you look at the Bible as a great work of literature that encapsulates ancient moral philosophy and wisdom hard-earned by trial-and-error, you get a much greater appreciation for it. I think the atheists and dogmatists are equally bad. Religion is the science of human experience. It's far from perfect and should continue to evolve but dismissing it is going to doom your civilization. Which seems obvious to me at this point. Human beings are subjective creatures and we need a subjective science for human experience and moral behavior.
@RealRyanSecord
@RealRyanSecord 2 года назад
Yes.
@davidlenz9902
@davidlenz9902 2 года назад
I often hear the claim that Christians is inherently oppressive because of original sin, but there's a redemption factor that is usually never alluded to after that point is made, where secularism and wokeness has no redemption. One may not agree with it, as that's the entire point of the religion. But it's a bit deceptive to make the original sin point and then continue to ignore redemption, which is emphasized far more than original sin within Christianity.
@CyberChrist
@CyberChrist 8 месяцев назад
Every time you emphasize redemption, you're also (at least implicitly) emphasizing what you're supposed to be redeemed for.
@mattt21
@mattt21 3 месяца назад
Yes that’s Satan’s trick. Everyone gets mad at a God they’re not good enough for and hates Him for it… that’s the whole point. Only Jesus is perfect and He did the work for us. If only you believe on Him and receive Him into your life.
@Haggis9
@Haggis9 2 года назад
And here we can observe Dawkins abandon empiricism and tell us what he wishes was true.
@samus_aran_P
@samus_aran_P 2 года назад
A scientist will resolve their hypothesis as more data becomes available. He's refusing to update his hypothesis despite an avalanche of evidence threatening to bury his entire world.
@astronomianova1
@astronomianova1 2 года назад
@@samus_aran_P Nonsense. There is not an avalanche of evidence that dwindling religious belief is the cause of wokeness or even correlated with it. Religion in the U.S. has been declining since the early 2000s, wokeness (or whatever the hell anyone wants to call it) became prominent around 2012-2014 and spiked in 2016 and 2020. The reasons for those spikes are obvious and have nothing to do with new atheism or declining religiosity. Also, even with religion declining, the U.S. is, and always has been, way more religious than any other first world nation. These other countries do not have a proportionally larger population of woke people they are simply less religious. It's an interesting idea with maybe some localized value but is a highly unlikely general explanation.
@Springheel01
@Springheel01 2 года назад
@@astronomianova1 I’m curious about what you mean by having “obvious” reasons. What are those reasons?
@astronomianova1
@astronomianova1 2 года назад
@@Springheel01 Hello. Yes, I believe what is obvious is that the election of Donald Trump in 2016 caused a wave of woke sentiment (I suspect in particular that the "pussy grabber" could become president). And the death of George Floyd in 2020 (as many have said perhaps exacerbated by the pandemic but I don't think that was necessary). The point was, these events and their responses clearly have nothing to do with the "new atheists"-a stupid phrase of the old religious.
@thorstenmarquardt7274
@thorstenmarquardt7274 2 года назад
thats a pretty dumb statement
@marna_li
@marna_li 2 года назад
I think that people are looking for meaning in their existence, a purpose that is greater in a world in which they are so small. It is easy build an idea that you are immensely significant in the plan of the universe - that is why some due to cause and effect imagine that there must be a supreme being pulling the strings and caring about everyone's life. And religion is something that is practices in collectives. Wokeness fills the same idea. They find a cause, make moral judgments, justify it with bad "science" run by activists. Completely rejecting that science should be "value-free", i.e. should not make moral judgements. Science should just find out and explain how the world works - theories based on proven objective facts - the idea of which woke activists reject all together. Wokeness builds communities in which there are strict rules on what to believe or say - if you question those beliefs you get ostracized from the community.
@moonpie2637
@moonpie2637 2 года назад
Explain it all? From the beginning of everything? Science holds no more grasp on truth than the belief we come from something greater than ourselves. You and science can get as far as right before the big bang but not even science can Explain or prove where it all came from. Does science have a scientific test that can show how everything came from nothing? Im not even arguing for a God in the regular definition of a God. Only something greater than us. Where does conscience come from? Things science can't explain.
@michaelrivera6989
@michaelrivera6989 Год назад
My highest aspirations and questions in life such as having a moral code, working through life’s difficulties, experiencing feeling of awe, wonder, and gratitude, understanding love and empathy, understanding where I come from, where life came from, my place in the universe, my personal sense of meaning and purpose, have all been answered in such a satisfying and compelling way from within a naturalistic and scientific framework that reaching for old supernatural and religious traditions is unimaginable and quite impossible for me.
@piertinence
@piertinence Год назад
See if you can catch the non sensical nature of atheist Dawkins following claim. "Far from being a difficulty peculiar to Darwinism, the astronomic improbability of eyes and knees, enzymes and elbow joints and all the other living wonders is precisely the problem that any theory of life must solve, and that Darwinism uniquely does solve. It solves it by breaking the improbability up into small, manageable parts, smearing out the luck needed, going round the back of Mount Improbable and crawling up the gentle slopes, inch by million-year inch." Pretending that smearing the process over billions of years would solve the issue of the astronomic improbability of a Darwinian evolutionary creation is clearly unscientific nonsense.
@wakkablockablaw6025
@wakkablockablaw6025 Год назад
Half of what you described sounds superficial to me, and the other half I can't have without religion. If I wasn't a theist, I would be a nihilist. Nihilism was always so compelling to me, but because I have faith in Christianity, I have faith that nihilism is wrong and that there are such things as objective good and evil.
@caseyspaulding
@caseyspaulding 2 года назад
Great question !
@louisehaley5105
@louisehaley5105 2 года назад
Thank goodness for Coleman Hughes, John McWhorter, Sam Harris, Ayaan Hirsi Ali bringing science and reason to the next generation,
@nikokapanen82
@nikokapanen82 2 года назад
You said "thank goodness". Jesus said that only God is good, you are thanking God without even knowing it.
@christopherhamilton3621
@christopherhamilton3621 2 года назад
@@nikokapanen82 Dogma.
@7788Sambaboy
@7788Sambaboy 2 года назад
@@nikokapanen82 you wrongly believe that Jesus said that but have Zero proof, and your silly assertion that god is being thanked is just your childish delusion. Jesus also said blessed are the scared and gullible for they will believe anything.
@nikokapanen82
@nikokapanen82 2 года назад
@@7788Sambaboy "I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.." Revelation 22:18-19
@jonjonboi3701
@jonjonboi3701 2 года назад
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is an idiot and very islamaphobic
@willmercury
@willmercury 2 года назад
I greatly admire Dawkins, but he's missing the point here, and failing to make the is/ought distinction. Like it or not, reason is the slave of the passions, as Hume observed. We have not yet evolved beyond the limbic system, and until we do, the elephant is still in motion. Of course, reason must shape our epistemologies and direct our actions, but we ignore our emotions and their concomitant biases at our peril, and there will always be a pre-rational yearning and response toward reality that opens and fills in the gaps in our understanding of the world. Yes, we can and should continue to cultivate rational mechanisms and interventions to prop up the better angels of our nature, but the fact remains that we will continue ontologically to suffer itches which empiricism and reason cannot scratch. What is required is what EO Wilson called consilience: A blended synthesis of science and the humanities which satisfies our requirements for meaning and belonging without sacrificing a clear understanding of the facts of the world. Truth is not a fact, but is felt; without reason it is blind without emotion it is empty. I would submit that it is Art that opens the space where knowledge and experience intersect, where what is observed, and what is imagined can be recorded and expressed, revealing reality as it is, and evoking it as we imagine it to be without our becoming lost to the description.
@-Ahmed8592
@-Ahmed8592 Год назад
I’ve never heard of the concept of consilience, interesting. But I still feel that science is greatly overestimated as some in terms of it’s place in worldviews.
@juantonio0788
@juantonio0788 2 года назад
amazing, suscribed.
@toddallen7862
@toddallen7862 2 года назад
Good job man! I've watched many interviews/ speaking engagements with Dawkins and you did a great job getting him to open up and pretend he's not an alien.
@davidowen74
@davidowen74 2 года назад
Dawkins would prefer it if wokeness and other crap didn't replace religion... and he thinks it's condescending to note the proliferation of woke religion. He's not facing reality. It's pure stubbornness to ignore what just happened in western societies
@TruthDissident
@TruthDissident 2 года назад
Because he's a deracinated liberal that cannot see what's coming.
@robinblick9375
@robinblick9375 2 года назад
As an atheist, I reject wokery for the same reason that I do religion; that its beliefs and claims have no basis in reality.
@MrSidney9
@MrSidney9 2 года назад
You can often tell if people who call themselves atheists will be woke by asking them why they are atheist. If they give rational reasons, you can bet they will be also against wokeness.
@hermitcard4494
@hermitcard4494 Год назад
Both things operate the same.
@robinghosh5627
@robinghosh5627 21 день назад
Sir Richard is the Greatest Exponent of Critical thinking and reasoning in the search for Truth in the scientific understanding of our Universe...deluded and coming away from religion can be greatly influenced in turning to the scientific way of understanding our Universe...science is the best solution and remedy for those poor people who want to fill the void...Thank you Sir Richard ❤❤❤
@davidowen74
@davidowen74 2 года назад
The science shows lifetime happiness correlates to family which offers more human intimacy. secular societies are overwhelmingly lonely.
@loveroflife1914
@loveroflife1914 2 года назад
Yup. It's quite amazing that the countries with high GDP's and high standard of living also have immensely high rates of suicide, anxiety and depression.
@Shoutinthewind
@Shoutinthewind 2 года назад
Funny how Dawkins immediately resorts to an “argument from Incredulity.” I think despite his many public proclamations about religion Dawkins has failed to think very deeply about it.
@kaye666
@kaye666 2 года назад
Did Dawkins really think that nothing would replace religious? Now we have woke Gods, and things are worse. At least religious people have generally always been open to criticism and debate, e.g. Big Bang vs Creationism. The counter argument is actually PART of modern religious education in schools. Institutionalised religion gets a really bad reputation, and I understand why especially with the child abuse scandals of the Catholic Church, but now there's a new religion (wokery of the hard life / hard left ideologs), without a church, without "resident" Gods (they're all scattered around, but come together on Twitter to bully and ruin people) and without any tolerance to being questioned. This is tyranny. Give me the church any day!
@soslothful
@soslothful Год назад
I have read and reread "The God Delusion" several times and find in it much to consider. I also find it instructive to read refutations to any position. These two books, responding to and refuting points in Dawkins book may interest you, "The Dawkins Delusion" and "Dawkins God."
@intelligentspeculator7327
@intelligentspeculator7327 Год назад
Notice how Dawkins gets asked a question concerning mainly wokism and, even though after a long speech he does end up criticising the "original-sin-like race blaming", all this time he is being extremely careful with his words, he barely comments on wokism and he almost completely deviates from that question, and focuses almost solely on criticising religion. Dawkins may not be a hard believer in wokism, but throughout his life he has indeed declared himself as a leftist, a progressive, a feminist, a socialist, etc., beliefs which are not that far from wokism, and he has been a hard critic of those who did not share these views. I am not commenting on whether I agree or disagree with his views, but I am disappointed with the way he is unable to state his views clearly, evading questions like this one here, being extremely careful not to offend woke people, yet having no concern, or even seemingly enjoying offending e.g. republicans, Christians, Brexit supporters, etc. He was even unable to acknowledge the obvious problem with lack of religion leaving a hole for ideologies such as wokism or communism, and instead he talked about his wishful utopia world, without even recognising the obvious emotional hole that atheism has brought to millions of people. In the past he has always said "The universe doesn't care what I would like, this is just a fact and we need to address it." Yet here he completely "forgets" his own logic and hides in his wishes, not addressing the question nor the problem, i.e. contradicting himself.
@intelligentspeculator7327
@intelligentspeculator7327 7 месяцев назад
@@jamespilcher5287 Maybe having drag queens teaching little children that they should question their genders is a good first point to start pointing out what's wrong with wokeness? Come one, open your eyes and don't just repeat whatever the social media compel you to say, so that you can virtue-signal to your fake, pseudo-friends, who couldn't care less about you, or to a girlfriend, so that she can see how virtuous you are...
@timh4255
@timh4255 2 года назад
Science doesn't deal with "what is", science generates models that predict the behaviour of nature.
@mattsch21
@mattsch21 2 года назад
This is an incoherent statement. "What is" is nature. Science obviously deals with that. "What is" is the universe that we exist in. I'm pretty sure that most scientists and philosophers agree that science is about the universe that we exist in. Rather than being profound your statement was profoundly stupid.
@timh4255
@timh4255 2 года назад
@@mattsch21 aw buddy.. its a shame you felt the need to be thatway. Hope you're good.
@TruthDissident
@TruthDissident 2 года назад
@@mattsch21 You can't get an ought from Science though. That's where Ideology steps in. Look at Western civilization, it's collapsing because it no longer has a larger destiny & rejects the idea of destiny all together. It can no longer justify its own dominance.
@BryanLawlor
@BryanLawlor 2 года назад
The questions we ought to ask ourselves are, what aspects of a religious belief do people seem to need, and what makes people with that kind of belief happier?
@soslothful
@soslothful Год назад
Dan Dennet's book, "Breaking The Spell" is dedicated to those questions.
@LK_09
@LK_09 Год назад
I think religion is the greatest example of social engineering in history, because it perfectly addresses the human condition. I don’t think that we as atheists or agnostics will ever be able to fill the gap, because half of the appeal of religion is the idea that there is something beyond this world. And no self respecting atheist or agnostic would be able to offer that with any kind of certainty, or indeed credibility. And yet it’s the belief that there is something beyond that guides people throughout life, for example - if there’s nothing after this world what’s the point in being moral in this life? Religion provides an incentive for individuals to be better people, and unfortunately most people need that in order to actually do good.
@wakkablockablaw6025
@wakkablockablaw6025 Год назад
@@LK_09 Actually religion has almost nothing to do with social engineering. It is a product of evolution, meaning that religion is inevitable. That's why virtually all nations, tribes, countries, etc have a religion or some sort of spiritual belief.
@honestjohn6418
@honestjohn6418 2 года назад
Richard is wrong. Not having a religious scaffolding is totally feasible for people who have family, career, achievements and wealth but for the multitude of humans who lack such things, a religious structure is essential. And as long as society has millions of people who lack such things, civilization requires a religious structure to function. I say that as someone who used to be an anti theist like Dawkins
@Avengerie
@Avengerie 2 года назад
Same experience. Societies without religion are like militaries without rigid hierarchies, subordination, medals and unit mottos and ethos. Sure, months of drills can be dehumanising, but without it you don’t have a cohesive force and few people are going to follow orders.
@christopherhamilton3621
@christopherhamilton3621 2 года назад
Agree to a point: What’s needed is a ‘religious scaffolding’ without the trappings & pitfalls of traditional scriptural dogma. More of a truly socializing & participatory cooperative nature rather than a tribalistic, exclusive religious ‘church’ paradigm.
@honestjohn6418
@honestjohn6418 2 года назад
@@christopherhamilton3621 this is Dawkins’ point. That we can achieve meaningful lives and a cohesive civilization, sans otherworldly faith. Basically a cohesion around reality and humanist morality. But this isn’t feasible. For the millions of people who lack wealth, loving family and friends, wealth, health or the academic ability required to function as a valued and successful member of a modern information economy, faith in the supernatural and some kind of loose tribal affiliation, is essential
@christopherhamilton3621
@christopherhamilton3621 2 года назад
@@honestjohn6418 “Allegedly or apparently” essential…
@honestjohn6418
@honestjohn6418 2 года назад
@@christopherhamilton3621 well of course I am making an educated guess, as is Dawkins
@noah1502
@noah1502 2 года назад
I always used to be interested in cults, extreme religions, and other powerful social persuasion that would lead people to do certain things. And then of course it happened to me as well, I identified as trans for a few years. And now I realize it was a very similar phenomenon. Its not a cult, its a cultURE, same thing. Social groups creating ideas about bodies and souls, and persuading people to disregard facts of reality in favor of honoring these souls as if they were some higher power. God is dead and most people, human beings in a mob, will cling onto whatever their social group decides is right the same as any other religion. Be skeptical.
@BenfromFlux
@BenfromFlux 2 года назад
Good on you for realizing the error of your ways, coming back out of the cave, and most especially, for talking about it. We need more voices like yours to help fight against the destruction of reality. Cheers
@MattHabermehl
@MattHabermehl 2 года назад
Woah. Powerful. Can you say more about the trans culture's view of a soul, which is presumably the reason you could be born into the wrong body? At times I wondered if something like this was at play. It sure would be substantive evidence that the phenomenon is religious. Thanks for your comment.
@MattHabermehl
@MattHabermehl 2 года назад
Just did some googling. It looks like the idea of "being in the wrong body" is getting unfashionable due to its negative implications. Haven't read far enough to determine what the alternative looks like.
@mikearchibald744
@mikearchibald744 2 года назад
Using your own experience to discuss a whole issue is pretty dangerously silly. To say that ALL people do what they do because of reasons YOU did something is pretty untrue. The issue with gender identity is NOT a problem for the people involved, its a problem for judgemental people who don't like haveing to deal with diversity or change. There is the public policy side of making decisions that affect the society, but then there is the "I just don't like that this thing exists so it shouldn't exist" garbage that people mistake in dividing their prejudices from the demands of society. Certainly what somebody calls themselves is pretty irrelevant, what a person wants from gender identity is their own business. Gender issues of course have been part of humanity FOREVER. A big problem now is that since the fifties especially social norms have been VERY rigidly defined and we are still dealing with it. Its especially been in hierarchical and patriarchal society that the need to 'define' people in specific terms has existed. Obviously if you are in a publicly subsidized healthcare industry and the system is using tax dollars to do reconstructive surgery every time somebody says they want a change, thats an issue, but thats the issue almost nowhere. In short, it has ZERO to do with you. Scientology may be a cult but we aren't all up in arms trying to find ways to destroy scientology.
@lminterests5590
@lminterests5590 2 года назад
@@mikearchibald744 True but now there are many tens of thousands who have left the trans ideology so its more than just a few individuals. I believe you can find a reddit group of detransitioners at 33000 members the last time I looked.
@Mr.Witness
@Mr.Witness 2 года назад
Its often depressing that people have not connected and realized that Philosophy isnt something you apply to science, IT IS THE FIRST SCIENCE that you to the physical sciences. Ayn Rands Philosophy who needs it, to all that see this message please give it a read.
@joshboston2323
@joshboston2323 2 года назад
to me, contemplating the vastness of the universe or life's complexity is not enough to find solace. I think it really depends on the person. I mean, I really enjoy community, metaphor and ritual. I find these wonderful elements of religion and I often find these elements most properly integrated there. I do concede that the dogma is a massive problem.
@Nivexity
@Nivexity 2 года назад
Richard Dawkins has contradicted himself when he finds it condescending and pathetic for the idea that humanity abstracts from reality a belief system than to take it as it is. Dawkins himself can't answer the second question being that to understand concepts like "the beauty of reality" one must again abstract from reality. Belief systems can be straw-manned to assume it's entirely a question of how ought to live, commandments, strict tradition, judgement, social stigma, etc. But more often than that, all abstractions of reality are of the same process, neurologically, psychologically, phenomenologically, etc. The question Coleman is presenting is that the "hole" that religion fills is that means to abstract which at the deepest level, is being filled with an equally ideological framework. Dawkins does not want to honestly confront this question because it would immediately end his atheistic career, if we excluded his brilliant work in evolutionary biology.
@hartyewh1
@hartyewh1 2 года назад
He's just a hard man of science. Something that most can't or even shouldn't want to be. He's on an extreme that's worth showing that it is within the space of reasonable possibilities, but I suspect that his own meaning consists of many things he doesn't bring up including the arts, his career success in a centuries long lineage of scientific discovery etc. Anyone who ever thought that Dawkins was presenting an alternative to religious belief is sadly mistaken. He has shown, in his own part, how religion cannot be the answer and that there are nice things in the strictest of reality, but that leaves a lot to be said.
@mrtopcat2
@mrtopcat2 2 года назад
You can tell someone is unsure about what they preaching when they are fiercely trying to dominate a discussion with words like "condescending and pathetic". In reality, they are simply trying to clear 'the room' of dissent.
@Theyungcity23
@Theyungcity23 2 года назад
You can abstract from reality without religion
@HaganeNoGijutsushi
@HaganeNoGijutsushi 2 года назад
It's not like all abstractions are the same though. Traditional religions, especially the abrahamic ones, have a nasty tendency to ship with an all-encompassing grip on ethics, cosmology and more that inevitably ends up butting heads with other aspects of life and culture (like science). Political beliefs aren't the same, but they're still bad for your brain when they force you to unquestioningly accept contradiction as truth and cause cognitive dissonance. Neither is a requirement of a belief system. If you enjoy the beauty of the universe in itself, that's a perfectly good way of giving meaning to your life that doesn't really mess with your open mindedness to anything else.
@canteluna
@canteluna 2 года назад
Well said. I agree.
@JanPBtest
@JanPBtest 2 года назад
2:30 No, it's not pathetic, it's simply a consequence of the fact that science does not provide _in fact_ any answers to the most basic fundamental questions of existence and the human condition.
@Raydensheraj
@Raydensheraj 2 года назад
Like give some examples. Or do you just prefer your cultural preferred version of invisible supernatural superbeeing.
@JanPBtest
@JanPBtest 2 года назад
@@Raydensheraj I don't mean anything like that, which only comes upon some further reflection. I mean direct questions regarding human condition, like: what is consciousness? I am a mathematician who also studies physics _a lot_ and questions like this have no answers there. Some people react to it by assuming a religious stance but to call that "pathetic" is missing a point. Science is no better in that regard _except_ it allows for _quantification_ and _experimental prediction._ which keeps most types of lethal ignorance at bay (one hopes :-) ).
@TruthDissident
@TruthDissident 2 года назад
@@Raydensheraj Science can't give you an ought. Only a is.
@ryanhead2004
@ryanhead2004 Год назад
It's fascinating that Dawkins doesn't believe that there is a need for a meta-narrative (filled usually with religion) and that humans should just accept the world as it is.... while he's championing how his meta-narrative is the correct way to view the world and others need follow what he believes.
@Enrico_Palazzo_opera_singer
@Enrico_Palazzo_opera_singer 2 года назад
As much as I respect Dawkins work...the god delusion was a great read...but I find his stance quite condescending. If only the people behaved like piano keys and danced to his superior understanding of what people should believe in...I find this is ignorant and arrogant. The statement of the religion shaped hole is an observation people made who were rather on the side of atheism... dawkins clearly doesn not like this, since it goes against his struggle against religion. And instead of perhaps analysing it and perhaps readjusting his "believe" system...he goes full cognitive dissonance and calls it silly...Cause it would be way better if we followed his supreme intellect and believed in truth. Truth? We are apes living on a rock in hostile space, floating around a giant ball of fire!...And even if we are good boys and girls, one day the sun is going to explode...killing us all....truth is, life is bleak...and the only rational thing to do is to give up and despair....perhaps sprinkling some happy-silly-fairy dust into our perception of our doomed infinitvely-complex shitty reality is not the worst move humans came up with.
@dannybro2011
@dannybro2011 Год назад
I'm getting the impression that your impression of life is bleak and so that's your truth in life, which makes you more inclined to be off put by what dawkins said. On a side note, If your world view is actually bleak and sad...I recommend getting into stoicism for starters. Cheers
@NicolasConnault
@NicolasConnault 2 года назад
Richard Dawkins has never understood, and I doubt he ever will, the role of religion and spirituality in our species. He continuously claims that one cannot be both religious and a person of science. Part of his confusion may come from the mindboggling variety of religious expressions, and that many of them are not very compatible with science. He may lack familiarity with theologies that embrace it. For me, religion isn't just a way to reach truth, it's a way to find meaning and purpose, which are things that are subjective and personal, and not available to the scrutiny of the scientific method.
@isaac1572
@isaac1572 2 года назад
To be religious is to accept things on faith without reasonable weight of evidence, so no, this is not compatible with science. If you choose religion to find your personal truth, purpose and meaning of life, then that is fine. If your religion causes harm or death to others then it is bad. Believing makes it so in personal philosophy, but in science only weight of evidence gives a position credibility.
@NicolasConnault
@NicolasConnault 2 года назад
@@isaac1572 can you accept that a person can be both religious and scientifically-minded? What would convince you that such a person can exist?
@isaac1572
@isaac1572 2 года назад
@@NicolasConnault I happily accept that you can hold two contradictory thought systems at the same time, but you can't claim to be sorting your religious beliefs using a legitimate scientific method and then say that Dawkins is confused.
@NicolasConnault
@NicolasConnault 2 года назад
@@isaac1572 that's not what I'm claiming at all
@isaac1572
@isaac1572 2 года назад
@@NicolasConnault ????????
@mattmalcolm534
@mattmalcolm534 2 года назад
I'm not convinced by the idea that "the worst possible suffering for everybody is bad" will get you very far in constructing a framework for morality. Take all of the contentious moral questions faced by society today, from the line at which a fetus accrues rights, to the permissibility of forced v-xinations, to the gun control debate, or involvement in the war in Ukraine. A simple rule like "I want what's best for everybody/more people" doesn't tell us much beyond justifying what we already may believe about these questions.
@tonycatman
@tonycatman 2 года назад
Without fully deconstructing your hypothesis, would it help if I modified the framework to: "The worst possible suffering for everyone *in the long run* is bad" ?
@mattmalcolm534
@mattmalcolm534 2 года назад
@@tonycatman Good question. I'm not sure that helps too much, because ultimately we'll be faced with scenarios where we question whether society should violate (what we may view as) fundamental rights in order to alleviate suffering. In order to answer this, we'll have to say something like "Societies which violate these rights end up creating more suffering in the long run" but I think then we're starting with the conclusion and supplying the premises we need to maintain this bare-bones utilitarianism. Put another way: is the ability to express oneself freely a moral imperative only insofar as it alleviates human suffering "in the long run," or does it have value in and of itself apart from its consequences alone? I think it's the latter.
@tonycatman
@tonycatman 2 года назад
@@mattmalcolm534 I think we are headed down the path of whether deonotological or consequentialist ethics are preferable. Inasfar as we can't actually see that far into the future, consequentialism loses out to logically derived rules. But sometimes, we have enough history to work from empirical evidence to a consequentialist (or illogical) conclusion. It's a bit difficult to pick on a cast-iron example, but usury might be it. Most religions, and most of the world have or have had anti-usury laws. A system in which the rich are taking advantage of the poor. In and of itself, this can only be interpreted as immoral. However the last few thousand years have shown us that the capital markets make everyone better off in the long run. i.e. the total sum of suffering is minimized. If we crudely classify deontological ethics as religious ethics, Sam Harris et al are suggesting that we learn and improve from experience rather than sticking with dogma.
@jonathanbrotto1991
@jonathanbrotto1991 2 года назад
Many built-in features of human psychology we don't understand till things have changed drastically from historical norms.
@grahamlyons8522
@grahamlyons8522 Год назад
The danger of a belief in science is that science itself is different from "what scientists say".
@loveroflife1914
@loveroflife1914 2 года назад
I found religion after living a Dionysian, atheistic life throughout my 20's. I had followed the 4 horsemen, watched all the famous debates and discussions, and really tried to get into Harris's "secular buddhism" and his arguments for objective morality, but I ended up at a dead-end and frankly felt hollow and joyless. It's actually quite a relief to read the comments here. I think people are starting to see the forest through the trees. People forget that the ancients saw science as an outgrowth of metaphysics and philosophy. Otherwise you have nothing to actually base your science on. There's no sacredness or deep-rooted value system that the science sits on tops of.
@hartyewh1
@hartyewh1 2 года назад
No one's really ever thought that science is anything more than a tool at it's best when wrecking objectively false claims religions and misled philosophies. It is indeed much harder to wrestle with reality than fantasy of your own making, but one would expect that to obviously be the case anyway.
@FourthExile
@FourthExile 2 года назад
I've had a similar journey. Agnostic-Atheist-Nihilist/Hedonist-Buddhist/New Age then eventually making a full commitment to Catholicism (ooo scaryyy). I get that 'secular Buddhism' (good term btw) works with reality and the mind, in my experience. But it doesn't address the cosmic/supernatural yearning within us all. Thinkers like Dawkins and Harris reduce this yearning down to a 'bug' rather than a 'feature' of the human condition but no amount of strident assertions to do away with such 'foolishness' will solve the problem. I understand now that you cannot live on rationality/logic on its own. I know this may sound pithy (I used to balk at it as well) but the heart has its own form of knowledge. And God speaks to that knowledge AS WELL as knowledge of the mind. We shouldn't feel ashamed as humans to yearn for the divine. The heart will lead you further than your mind ever will. I'll guarantee it is NOT a wild goose/fairy chase...
@4x4r974
@4x4r974 2 года назад
There's no sacredness or deep-rooted value system that religion sits on top of. Everything we have is despite religion or because we had to get rid of its grip. There is no Dionysian, atheistic life. You were just living without any order in your life, which has nothing to do with beliefs about god. You were doing the "before" wrong, and you are doing the "after" wrong too.
@loveroflife1914
@loveroflife1914 2 года назад
@@hartyewh1 If science and objectivity are no more than a tool - how do plan on having individual + societal wide moralistic frameworks and value systems that actually benefit humanity? Where does that come from?
@loveroflife1914
@loveroflife1914 2 года назад
@@4x4r974 "**There's no sacredness or deep-rooted value system that religion sits on top of.**" Have you ever heard of the term "Philosophy of Science"? This is the modern, secular "oh shit, we need to sort these things out" response to 2 centuries of rapid industrialization and advancement of technology. "**Everything we have is despite religion or because we had to get rid of its grip**" The foundation for "everything we have" was literally built by deeply religious men that saw scientific discovery as a religious duty and act of piety. "**There is no Dionysian, atheistic life. You were just living without any order in your life,**" I was indeed living with order. I had spent years building up, what I considered to be, a rational, atheistic framework. I read the stoics, I read basically all the material there is on secular mediation, I was a neuroscience fanboy insisting that we don't have free will, I was working full time and earning a degree. Cheers
@soslothful
@soslothful Год назад
"Life feels quite beautiful and sacred to me on its own." Well said. Were we all to accept this, it may end this intractable debate.
@SStupendous
@SStupendous Год назад
What intractable debate, the theist-atheist one? That only happens when we aren't tolerant enough to let people choose to be theist or atheist. So many other debates that exist will remain. What you mean to say more clearly would be, if we all simply accepted that quote was true, we'd be living in harmony a bit more.
@soslothful
@soslothful Год назад
@@SStupendous Fair enough and well said. And yes, the debate between theists and atheists. The debate may be intractable but would be more productive were there less rancor on both sides.
@SStupendous
@SStupendous Год назад
@@soslothful I've effectively quit any real debate on religion, I'm the sort of guy with complex opinions and the whole debate between the two is just frustrating. Would just like people to have middle ground and stop fighting over such things
@wakkablockablaw6025
@wakkablockablaw6025 Год назад
Not all of us can have such low standards of beauty.
@marvel1978
@marvel1978 Год назад
interesting!
@tonykearney3806
@tonykearney3806 2 года назад
I think it's problematic when people judge a book by a sentence, a paragraph, or even a chapter. It leaves the cherries ripe for picking in both ways, pro and con.
@14docmurph
@14docmurph Год назад
People don't put down religious texts and pick up science texts...people are more simple than what Dawkins supposes. They need a framework for explaining death, meaning, purpose....to feel hope that existence is about something greater than ourselves.
@maryanne6569
@maryanne6569 2 года назад
I think that much of morality can find a bedrock in ‘universal’ human (primate) behaviour, in human psychology.
@FrogInPot
@FrogInPot 2 года назад
I agree this argument was first in my mind having been raised an extreme Christian and now being agnostic, quite early I saw how religion, ironically Christianity mapped so well onto Wokeism
@vonroretz3307
@vonroretz3307 2 года назад
Protestant ?
@SStupendous
@SStupendous Год назад
@@vonroretz3307 What did they say they were?
@derekspitz9225
@derekspitz9225 Год назад
I've been saying this for ages. Militant intersectional identitatianism, the CSJ cult if you will, most definitely satisfies the religious impulse for many people. CSJ cultist often display the same (or very similar) behaviours and ideas that are found in fundamentalist religious dogmas. Such as, 'I am right and anyone who disagrees with me is not just wrong, but an enemy to be fought and punished'; 'if you dare to question me you are guilty of blasphemy and will be punished'; 'women are second class, non people'; 'if you don't outwardly affirm your 'wokeness' all of the time to everyone you meet, then you will be publicly shamed and cast out'. The list goes on.
@elcristoph7380
@elcristoph7380 2 года назад
Ist been said by others but back around 10 - 15 years ago when I was in my 20's watching the new Atheists. I was a huge fan of the fire brand of atheism Dawkins had, today however listenign to what he said at 02:10 I find myself totally disagreeing, people clearly have a hunger for this stuff..
@VideoMagician77
@VideoMagician77 2 года назад
Richard Dawkins admits that people needs a, "decent target for their reverence". Right here he admits that humanity needs to have reverence for something which is basically an admittance that we have a religious instinct. In the same breath, Richard Dawkins at the beginning of the video made the claim that assuming that humanity needed to believe in something was condescending toward the human race. He is suffering from a massive case of cognitive dissonance and isn't being rationally consistent since what he hopes to be true is taking him away from what he knows to be true. Richard Dawkins in order to position himself on firmer intellectual grounds, should admit that humans are wired to believe in something. If he wanted to take this conversation one step further, he should flesh out what humans should believe in. Whatever he advocates for, it needs to be something that fills humanity with a sense of purpose. Telling people that they should put their religious instinct into science is foolish since science isn't as fulfilling to the soul as religion.
@joeysforza
@joeysforza 2 года назад
Yes
@bigdaddyfilmmaker
@bigdaddyfilmmaker 2 года назад
I used to be religious, and I feel no sense of loss. I feel a huge gain from leaving that nonsense, and my life has improved immensely. Furthermore, I disdain wokeness as much as religion.
@Outspoken.Humanist
@Outspoken.Humanist 2 года назад
Whilst I can appreciate Prof Dawkins point, I do think that anyone who had religion as a major part of their life would feel a hole if they stopped believing. However, I think that an increase in general levels of education, free from the dogma of religion, will necessarily create people with a greater sensitivity to injustice. The problem arises when people turn that sensitivity into a movement and follow it as they did their religion. We should all be intolerant of injustice but the term 'wokeness' invokes a different level of strangely twisted logic, self loathing and hand wringing that helps no-one.
@Paremata
@Paremata 2 года назад
Not I. It's been a while but I appreciate the yolk of religion being pulled from shoulders and being able to embrace so many different ideas that have been completely restricted because of religion. On top of that religion is the most confusing and contradictory doctrine that could be imagined. So wonderful to have that removed.
@Outspoken.Humanist
@Outspoken.Humanist 2 года назад
@@Paremata I felt the same way when I freed myself over thirty years ago and I still do. However, I have encountered many people over the years who had very different experiences and who took a long time to reach that freedom from the yoke, as you put it so well, that you and I enjoyed. Thank you for your response.
@wakkablockablaw6025
@wakkablockablaw6025 Год назад
What's wrong with the general education in the USA? If people were slightly better at math or had a greater understanding of science, how would that lead to a higher sensitivity to injustice? The meta-analyses show that intrinsically religious people are more altruistic. It's not religion that causes insanity. It's what keeps us away. That's just how we have evolved as a species.
@catejames6453
@catejames6453 2 года назад
This topic is Dawkins Achilles heal. He just doesn’t seem to be able to wrap his heart/head around the magnitude of this issue. He comes off as recalcitrant and the epitome of a person in denial. I say this as someone who is grateful for Dawkins’ generous contribution to science and the domain of intellectual progress. I’ve always wondered if there’s a backstory in RD’s personal background which accounts for his recalcitrance.
@artur-rdc
@artur-rdc 2 года назад
I've yet to see a "we are doomed because of human nature" argument that is not better explained by human fallibility and resilient mistakes in a long lasting tradition. Dawkin's point at least addresses the randomness of picking religion for this line of reason. If he has a background in this sort of question is to refuse to be fatalistic in face of difficult problems, something he dealt with quite frequently in the "god of the gaps" argument.
@rageforthemachine
@rageforthemachine Год назад
Replacing religion? No. Becoming an exact counterpart to religion? Definitely. It had always fascinated me that if really dig into both Calvinism and anti-racism you'll see how eerily similar the epistemology of the two are.
@teachphilosophy
@teachphilosophy 2 года назад
It seems to me that the problem with the Sam Harris argument you mentioned is that "suffering is wrong" only extends to your group/tribe because empathy only extends so far. The problem is moral assumptions are not like "A=A" and many people choose to live by different assumptions (like the Mafia who reduce suffering in their own group but not the outgroup). The benefit of religion is they say that assumption is not arbitrary but built into the structure of the universe so that one becomes "more real" when they follow it. There is a profound psychological difference between taking something as true or as a first principle and believing it actually is true.
@jakehiller6444
@jakehiller6444 2 года назад
If you're a smart person like Richard Dawkins you can live your life simply following science and appealing to higher values of logic and reason. But most people aren't that smart and they do need some sort of moral value system to guide them. If traditional religion isn't providing it they will find something else.
@fufu3539
@fufu3539 2 года назад
I think the Dawkins types really don't get the average person. Remember too he is a liberal (in traditional sense) aristocrat, so in his social class to consider people as generally prone to superstition is the reactionary line he's decided against. For you or me it means little, but for the aristocrat it was used as justification to oppress, so human feeling will dissuade Dawkins from that view. Dawkins isnt just a smart guy, he comes from an english tradition with bolingbroke and Betrand Russell, so materialist humanism has an extra strength and respectability for him that it wouldn't even for an American before the new atheist.
@jonz23m
@jonz23m 2 года назад
I don't think it has to do with him being smart. He is not very smart when it comes to philosophy. He follows scientism while Feeling smarter than everyone else.
@jakehiller6444
@jakehiller6444 2 года назад
@@jonz23m True. By smart I mean in the academic sense only. I'm not a religious person myself but I find people who have a boner for science and reject anything to do with philosophy or centuries of religious tradition as if it has nothing at all to offer humanity really quite ignorant. But on paper they are smart people.
@thorstenmarquardt7274
@thorstenmarquardt7274 2 года назад
I am not a smart and educated person, but I don't need any moral value system to guide me. I simply don't do to others what I wouldn't want others to do to me. It's pretty simple, mate.
@fufu3539
@fufu3539 2 года назад
@@thorstenmarquardt7274 At a personal level. At the social level ethics become contested based on class, race, sex etc interest. So, morality is simple yet not so simple.
@Mr_Case_Time
@Mr_Case_Time 2 года назад
Sometimes Dawkins seems more like a fundamentalist than Christian fundamentalists.
@Anerisian
@Anerisian 2 года назад
It’s fundamentalist according to you to leave the store empty handed, because what’s on offer was not persuasive. It’s such a dumb argument, and yet, the religious can’t help themselves.
@Mr_Case_Time
@Mr_Case_Time 2 года назад
@@Anerisian what I meant was, he talks about science the same way a fundamentalist might talk about religion. He doesn’t seem at all willing to consider any benefits to religion, just as a religious person might not consider any benefits to secularism. I’m not sure what your remark means, could you explain it?
@Anerisian
@Anerisian 2 года назад
@@Mr_Case_Time He has ‘considered’ benefits of religions, and even agrees right here that religious communities might improve happiness. Even if he didn’t, there is nothing fundamentalist there. It can’t be, as there is no deeply held doctrine (it’s called fundamentalism, because some Christian sects in the USA take the Bible as a fundament - a foundation). Even the fundamentalist Christian thing is a very American. There is no also such argument that religion has zero benefits. Anti-theists will say that stuff religion does can be had elsewhere, too, but without the infantile, and lunatic nonsense. You can have community elsewhere. You can find contemplation elsewhere. You can find song and sermon elsewhere. Not being interested in a particular mythology is just never “fundamentalist” - it’s just stuff Americans say who cannot envision that people might be happy elsewhere without their (white) Jesus. Look. People in Nordic European countries are fine. Your lack of imagination isn’t someone else’s fundamentalism.
@Mr_Case_Time
@Mr_Case_Time 2 года назад
@@Anerisian I feel like you’re talking to someone else. You have something on your mind and you thought this would be a good place to bloviate on it a little. You mentioned several things that aren’t even brought up, and then say that I have no imagination. Ok, you dislike religion, we get it, good for you.
@LZX61
@LZX61 2 года назад
‘If you allow an assumption then….’ That’s so convenient. You claim to be wed to the scientific method then allow yourself an exception to answer a question that science can’t answer yet still stick to your position that only science has the answers.
@Linda-zf8vs
@Linda-zf8vs Месяц назад
I have been an admirer of Richard Dawkins for decades reading and listening to almost everything he produces. After seeing this video I'm confused that he would equate religion and woke. Religion is superstition based on faith and the superanatural. Woke is a social construct which (as I understand it) is based on the interpretation of and response to real historical events therefore open to rational discussion. As an American, I do feel that our country's original sins are genocide of Indigenous Americans and 200 years of enslaving our fellow humans. Our country is still fighting that 'civil' war.
@eggheadusa9900
@eggheadusa9900 Месяц назад
It’s a figure of speech and not meant literally, because psychologically speaking it’s the exact same type of mindset and people. Yes you’re now like the people you distain so much
@Linda-zf8vs
@Linda-zf8vs Месяц назад
@@eggheadusa9900 I can't imagine Dawkins not speaking 'literally'. He doesn't strike me as one who speaks in vagueness and innuendo.
@thatwasprettyneat
@thatwasprettyneat 2 года назад
You gave about as good an explanation as anyone could, and it went completely over his head. He doesn't understand the fact that most people aren't into science like he is. For him science is Science, with a capital 'S'. He's not getting that that's HIS THING, and that most people aren't as smart as he is, and aren't going to be really into science. Everyone needs something to give their life meaning, and for a lot of people that is religion. I'm not a fan of religion either, but everyone needs something that drives them, and he's not getting that other people need to believe in something. Even Einstein had his own idea about God, even though he discarded religion.
@erin4885
@erin4885 2 года назад
When people lose religion they try to fill it because religion actually does perform a usefulness, in spite of the drawbacks, and for many of us created an actual chemical reality.
@soslothful
@soslothful Год назад
What is a, "chemical reality"?
@erin4885
@erin4885 Год назад
@@soslothful community can provide seratonin- comfort, well being, peace. Social interactions can also be stimulating to the mind, the regularity and familiar patterns of engagement provide a chemical experience to our minds. When that changes, we feel the lack of what was once there, for better and worse. The specific withdrawal experience depends on what the religion gave you- the good, bad, and neutral.
@soslothful
@soslothful Год назад
@@erin4885 Thanks, a good clarification.
@erin4885
@erin4885 Год назад
@@soslothful yw ❤
@Swatta637
@Swatta637 2 года назад
This language is 100% what Jonathan Haidt does say. He claims there is a religious hole we all have, and it will be filled with something. Interesting. Blatant disagreement between Dockins and Haidt. The idea of white original sin is what Jon McWhorter talks about in his woke religion book, too. He makes the argument that wokeism is just another religion, but a baaaadd one at that.
@Dash_023
@Dash_023 2 года назад
I'd love to interview you on my channel, Coleman. I'm a Christian, so obviously, our views vary, but Id love to hear about yours more.
@AnthonyOzimic
@AnthonyOzimic 2 года назад
The sense of sacredness which Dawkins admits he feels in awe of the universe is a metaphysical phenomenon. Yet Dawkins denies the existence of anything metaphysical, reality is for him is purely matter and its interaction. He also asserts that life, the universe and everything is meaningless. Most of the rest of the human race knows there is more to reality than atoms and the void. Music, art, literature, human relationships etc all point to realities above and beyond the physical. People naturally yearn for transcendence.
@lovetownsend
@lovetownsend 2 года назад
Richard Dawkins, one of my favorite people.
@adampeters9861
@adampeters9861 Год назад
How do you take someone seriously when the respond to evidence with, "I hope it's not true"? What he hopes for is irrelevant, as the evidence suggests that a huge portion of the population craves elements of religion, and for many of them ditching Christianity only opened the door for something worse.
@chrstphrdyer
@chrstphrdyer 2 года назад
I get not buying into religion but not knowing God must be horrible.
@cbashe
@cbashe 2 года назад
His book The Greatest Show on Earth showed me that Dawkins has real marvel and love of the beauty and the strangeness of the natural world.
@LukasBakos
@LukasBakos 2 года назад
I take reality as it is (at least I try to do my best). Thank you Mr. Dawkins for all your energy and patience you are an inspiration.
@homo_sapiens_sapiens
@homo_sapiens_sapiens Год назад
založené
@ratonsito2836
@ratonsito2836 2 года назад
I'm sorry, but I've heard Dawkins talk about religion so often and he still is so ignorant and uneducated on the subject I just can't take it anymore. He constantly sets religion equal to superstition and unreasonableness, which shows he has not the slightest idea about catholic theology, and his whole concept why religion exists is completely flawed.
@ep5005
@ep5005 2 года назад
Miracles happen every single minute of every single day. Including my own and witnessing others throughout life.
@blondboozebaron
@blondboozebaron 2 года назад
Being awake we see pictures. Sacrifice argued property. The Words Whole relation: Kneel to trace on Earth. G is an incomplete whole with one square angle drawn in Earth. O is a Whole measure. D is a split whole with two square angles drawn in Earth.
@crbondur
@crbondur Год назад
We can and should acknowledge that every individual has a "religion", a set of morals and beliefs that influences their actions and outlook on life. Dawkins acknowledges that humanity needs an object of reverence (at 5:39) however, he seems to miss the fact that many people do not spend the time philosophically considering WHAT to revere. Wishing something were true doesn't make it so. It's the weakness of many political positions, where a policy is implemented hoping it goes one way and ignoring things when they don't work out.
@GeekOwtLowd
@GeekOwtLowd 2 года назад
Before watching: I'm going to predict that Dawkins will acknowledge some problems with the woke neo-religion but ultimately downplay it, and get some digs in on Christians or Muslims for good measure.
@hartyewh1
@hartyewh1 2 года назад
But what more would we wish from the man than playing the classics?
@ramblingthoughtsandideas
@ramblingthoughtsandideas 2 года назад
Ok.
@chickenfishhybrid44
@chickenfishhybrid44 2 года назад
Keep hoping Dawkins lmao
@WhiteBraveheart1
@WhiteBraveheart1 2 года назад
All human beings worship something. There are no exceptions.
@jhs-law
@jhs-law Год назад
Back in the mid-2000s, I was a huge fan of Richard Dawkins. I believe that Dr. Dawkins has good motives, but I also think he criticized the Judeo-Christian tradition without appreciating what it provided.
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