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Fun fact: getting experience then applying for higher up position is the way to get promoted. Don't wait for management to bless you with a promotion. It's not going to happen
@@Gioli565it’s only depressing if your home is depressing. Don’t get me wrong. Remote work isn’t for everyone. If you have young kids that are not in school it might. It be the ideal situation
Come back into the office, do everything we say, do more than what we say, work hundreds of hours of unpaid overtime and your odds of a promotion go up! Just ignore the fact that your position is understaffed and management positions have no openings 😊
What bothers me most about this is the many companies that are now spying on their remote employees, and even on their onsite employees using cameras and key loggers.
Agreed. Are employees an asset or a slave? Do they not trust employees? Why not? Imagine treating your spouse that way. It would be grounds for a divorce.
Remote work is a godsend for a large number of disabilities. But looking for excuses to legally discriminate against disabilities is sadly pretty common. (As is just forgetting about disabled people entirely). My migraines make in-person work hell. My performance is amazingly better when I'm WFH. And yes, I'm a datapoint of 1, but the number of people in my online migraine groups saying similar is astounding.
Now that I’m remote, my neurologist is willing to try adjusting my anti-seizure medications since I don’t need to drive every day and I’m generally safer if I have a seizure in my home vs somewhere public. Should the seizures ever return, there won’t be a disruption in my income
Migraines aren’t a disability. I am blind and use screen reader software to use technology, including the computer I do my job on. Oh and I also get migraines. We have sumatriptin for that - there’s no pill to fix my eyes. Not feeling sorry for myself, just find it annoying what people try to claim as a disability these days
At this point EVERYTHING that benefits the employee is automatically labeled as counterproductive and bad for your career. Once you learn how to spot sociopaths, all this nonsense spewed by companies suddenly starts to make sense: its all a manipulation to micromanage people.
I don't need to be promoted, I have gotten calls from recruiters where I am told about supervisor/manager roles in food industry and when I tell them that's a 10k to 20k pay cut they ask how big is my current team and I tell I don't have 1, I make good money in pharma without needing the stress of promotion, budgets and people management
Having to go into an office is dead and any decent employer knows that. Worked for a firm that insisted on office working with the potential for some remote work, as long as you were good little boys and girls. Ummm, no thanks.
I’ve always worked in settings where promotions were not a thing. You had to apply to another job to receive a promotion. If anything, I often received unpaid “promotions” by having to take on new responsibilities if someone senior left and there was allegedly no one who could do what they do. 🙄
Remote work has been the best thing to happen to my career. I work in a technical field with not a lot of opportunity in my local area. I have more than 3x'd my salary since 2020.
People maybe forgot about this...There was a remote work movement shortly after social media exploded due to mobile. I went remote in 2009. When job searching in 2014, it was a BIG problem for me. No one thought I could commute anymore, even though I was bored stiff at home.
I'm happy with my remote job. I'm able to live and travel in beautiful rural places and stay connected to the internet using HomeFi. I think the lifestyle makes it worth it.
We live in 21st century early AI era with far more technology to work remotely, but the "corporate" is still in a pre-internet 1980s era mindset trying to keep track on employees which is completely outdated, more about corporate politics, small talk, than work efficiency and results that should matter first for a promotion.
I just started my post military career. I was offered two amazing opportunities. One remote and one in-person. I chose the remote job. Companies who don't value remote workers will lose to their competitors who do, because top talent gets to dictate where they work at, not the employer.
Not all promotions are worth the money. Often, you get more on your plate in exchange for 5% more per year. You can also be less marketable than when you were in a non-management role.
I have stuck to my guns, told "return to office" to uck themselves to a wall with a 50 calorie diet of lead. I have been getting good remote work and have a career going in the government. Private sectors like Google, M$, Amazon.....Are being replaced with remote government work. I been happy in my little town with a local fiber ISP that dose not cap me. Big cities a pain. I love being remote and love the government job climate. Once you are in, you are in for life.
One more interesting observation I've noticed - some very talented and experienced people, who were forced by RTO, created their own startups and invited other great employees to join... So I hope the new era of small businesses, purely raised in a remote culture since inception, will grow fast.
Companies are always looking for a reason to pay less. Remote is now the latest excuse. What about employees who relocate for a new job and then a round of layoffs happens? Bet they wish they were remote. Work for Companies that want a win/win deal at what your efforts are worth.
Remote workers are invisible. Lot of them don't want to be visible either. But visibility is essential to get promoted. At first I was also very reluctant to go back to the office but hybrid works for me nowadays quite well. Did people who moved to the other side of the country during Covid truly beleive the pandemic will last forever? I don't really understand why it's still such a big deal to go to your workplace once in a while. If you want quiet quit your whole careeer, it's OK, but then again don't expect to be promoted.
Well! In California, most 100% remote IT and Tech jobs are paying on average 33% less than 100% onsite roles! Their was a TV special on that subject/topic on 05/24/2024 out here in Los Angeles where HR Managers and hiring managers were talking about this, Bryan! You won't get promoted and you will get paid around 33% less, in general, for wanting to work 100% remote, at least out here!! 😬😏
Unpopular opinion: Companies, which forced their employees to come to the office, even though employees could without any problems do the job from home, have no right to call themselves “eco-friendly”
It is super hard to get hired for a decent job at any company that does not have a huge turnover aka a job that nobody wants. It's even harder to get promoted, I found its actually easier to switch employers for a promotion than applying as an Internal candidate at you current one.
I've been working remote with some required on-site exceptions roughly 4 or 5 times a year now for about 7 years. I'm never going back to on-site full time. Quality of life is so much better.
Honestly, I think working remotely kills your career. Networking is a thing, and that's harder to do working remotely. Working remotely is also unhealthy both mentally and physically; you have to be very proactive about maintaining a social life and keeping up with physical activity. Even 9-5s in a dark cubical at the office would get you in the sunshine for a while, talking to people, and walking around. I wish I realized this before I got my remote job, as I've never been so unhealthy, and it's been difficult to break out of it. It feels like I'm on lockdown again, and it's beginning to have that endless feeling, not to mention I'm a bit confounded that my office is actually just a half hour drive from me, sitting mostly empty, and I'm using my own resources without reimbursement in order to do my job. I'm currently looking for a position with a more hybrid set-up, because I'm not sure my morale "arc" is going to go back up so that I'd feel any better toward this situation.
It is sometimes the case that the person who works at a branch office rather than HQ doesn’t get promoted. It is like if someone at HQ can’t see you putting in the hours that you must be a slacker. I do travel once a year to some of our branch offices, and the atmosphere is more relaxed than at HQ.
I, personally, don't like remote work for many reasons, Bryan. But, if someone does, it shouldn't affect their chances to get promoted. Companies are full of shit, in general!!
Yeah, I don’t care. Working remote saves me $30K a year on childcare . A promotion that would make me come into the office isn’t going to make that up…
huh, I wonder why tech careers have people moving companies every 2-3 years. (there is more than 1 way to get promotions and company loyalty has been dead for decades)
I feel like smaller business could learn from the failures of these bigger businesses and run more all remote offices and find some really quality candidates that are being thrown out of big businesses. I'm in trades which I'll say automotive shops, especially dealerships are looking for techs and you can start at 18-20 an hour and work up to 50 hours a week but billing 50 Dollars an hour at 80-90 hours a week due to the flat rate system in that industry. Now obviously you need to be very productive but the income potential is huge
Companies not accommodating a desire for remote work shows they are not as innovative or adaptable as they claim to be. Plus, a lot of managers use the workplace as a substitute for socializing and human interaction because they're too hollow and maladjusted to have a life outside the office.
I wouldn't mind office work if it wasn't so jam-packed with nasty people, bright lights, and terrible facilities. I'm constantly bombarded with hundreds of perfumes and lunches throughout the day. I'm hearing hacking and coughing and sneezing it's nasty, distracting, and I don't love constantly getting sick or getting my wife sick because our time off doesn't care about sick people and they come to work sick. If I wanna go to the bathroom at home, I can without a wait, without having to hear grown men groaning over a urinal or stinking up the place or clogged toilets and filled urinals. My eyes are literally dried out every day, from blinding bright white lights and stale air blowing constantly. I'm just over stimulated at work, and I find myself draining emotionally and mentally constantly. I'd obviously love to work at home to avoid yet again basically avoiding an accident on rush hour traffic every day and creating a good environment for focus. I'd live with work, not being terrible every day. Less of it. Maybe 7 hour work days. One less day. Better facilities. I'd suck it up. Maybe fractured schedules to break up traffic at specific times. I seriously live 12 minutes from my job and one road and exit cause my drive to turn to a 30 minute drive here in California.
Ah yes, we need to promote people by nepotism and how strong their interpersonal relationships are with management-not by how good they are at their actual job.
I've learned MERN stack. I've made three projects and hosted . Currently, I'm learning Next.js and working on projects. I'm unsure if I'll get a job or if I should continue working with my dad as a plumber."plz guide me I am in tough situation I am 25 year old unemployed 😢
Have been working fully remote for over 25 years. Recently turned down an opportunity with an increase of $30k. My personal freedom is PRICELESS, going back to the office and a commute is too close to slavery. Looking a certain way, having to be ON while in the office is exhausting, let alone frustration of traffic and construction, etc.
It's truly a blessing. you save literally years of your life when you add up all the wasted time commuting. I don't think I'd ever do fully in office for any number. I can get hybrid, but fully on-site in the era of the internet/video calls is insane.
@@ALifeAfterLayoff I too was offered a promotion on a job that had gone from 100% in office to 100% remote during covid, my performance actually improved once I was remote as I didn't have the distractions I did in the office.
That's the way to do it. My main focus is on savings and investments, so I don't necessarily need a promotion. Or I can make my own by building a product.
Remote work should ideally be the future as it gives lots of benefits to everyone and the environment in the long run by cutting down on unnecessary daily travel to an office building. Corporates are just giving vague and illogical excuses to force their employees to return to office just so that they can recover their investments in the real estate, this must be resisted at all costs. Never work for any company which doesn't give Hybrid work mode atleast. Period 😤😤😤
I'm convinced they only reason they are backtracking is because employees want it. It seems like anything employees want, the companies will do the exact opposite, even if what the employees wanted was mutually beneficial for them.
Remote Worker: "I came back to the office and would like a promotion, please!" Company: "Sorry, there are no promotion opportunities at this time. Gary might leave in 5 years, and then you can apply against the CEO's nephew and 10 other internal and external candidates." Remote Worker: "So I should go back to remote work?" Company: "???"
Sounds right I went for a role years ago and the recruiter told me afterwards the role was yours but you lost out to family connections. I remember the company and I have been contacted since about roles with them and every time I just say not interested and no more.
Ten? Hoho, you sweet little thing... You have at least (very optimistic) one thousand applicants crammed in from LinkedIn alone. Good luck getting that promotion.
Companies will find excuses to not give employees a promotion whether they go into the office or not. They’re using remote work as a scapegoat like he said in the video. The best way to get a pay raise or promotion in your career is to simply leave the company for a new one every 2-3 years. Plus, I would rather not get a “promotion” and save money by working fully remote instead. The trade off is fine with me because of the time and money savings.
my kids are 3 and 9 mos. My wife is off for a year, i will never EVER get this opportunity to see my kids this much at this age. I am gladly trading career advancement (temporarily) for this time with them.
@@grege5074 exactly, getting to spend more time with family is priceless. Not to mention you can keep giving interviews and only join a new company if they give you more money and a higher designation.
No. I lost a promotion over this as leadership came into the office at Covid and so did he even though we were ordered to stay home. He had lunch with them every day
They found a reason to not promote me when I was in the office so it's just another day and another excuse as far as I'm concerned. When I am on a team of 5 and we all have to come into the office to have a team meeting from our desks on Teams, I have to ask why I needed to come in.
Not only that, but when you're on a team's call and you hear your co-worker over the cue ball through the air as well as through the headset, it can be very distracting
Eh, that’s the companies problem. Not mine. lol. Why work the same job for 5 years and get a 3% raise each time? It’s better for your pay for you to switch jobs every three years or so.
I was one of the lucky few who was able to feel a vibe at my former employer - tasks while remote were reduced etc. I tried for 5 years to move ahead in the company but the honest truth is the network of friends and family always got promoted first. I did the next best thing: I paid attention to the market, heeded this channels advice and found another fully remote job making 30% more due to my knowledge base and skills. Always be the owner of your career and put yourself first. Look for places where you can grow and learn and use those skills as leverage later.
Remote or in person, being loyal to a company is bad for your career. They're not going to promote anyway, and even if they do, you'll still usually do much better jumping ship for someplace else every couple of years rather than sticking around.
yep. You have to promote yourself. I have firsthand experience of being led on by my manager for a promotion that never came. It wasn't until I applied for a higher up position that I was promoted.
IBM always had remote work as a benefit and now they bring people back to office. I've heard in their case it's because they want to get rid of people but do not want to officially lay off people so its their way. They hope people forced to come back to the office will quit on their own.
A web development agency in my neighboring town hired a candidate from another town to work on a project remotely. After the project, they asked her to come to the office. She resigned and applied to my company, which is in her hometown.
One thing I think is missing here, I’ve noticed that while remote work is generally harder for employees to get promotions from vs. their on-site peers…. BUT! For those companies that still believe in remote positions (still plenty - it’s not that bleak), seeing that you can do well in a remote setting is a HUGE bonus. It’s seen as extra responsibility to work from home from recruiter’s perspective.
the return to the office had to do with two things: 1. the overleveraged and overpriced commercial real estate had no value, which would mean a lot of headaches for the CRE companies. 2. the companies that moved in 2019-2020 into a new office and paid pretty penny for that, had to justify the expenditure to the board, and as you know the commercial real estate is not the cheapest thing. Also investors and VCs really like to see minions working in the office.
I used to work in management, and it's not what it's cracked up to be. Ton of responsibility, and when your workers do something wrong you have to step in and deal with it. Escalations, performance issues, HR, etc. etc. I always had to deal with some BS. Not worth it
Gen-Z here. Entered workforce in 2021 (terrible year to graduate college lol). Started off with an internship which led to a remote marketing job. Been there for two years, recently promoted, and even turned down another hybrid job that paid more. I’d say remote work has done wonders early on in my career and I am very grateful for the relevant experience and connections I’ve made! 🎉
I was remote for years before lockdowns and the most productive/senior member of my team. Suddenly our CEO laid off all remote workers who wouldn't relocate to offices across the country. Very frustrating since I wad hired as a remote employee in the first place.
Yeah...they have helipads in their back yards, live in airport park communities and commute by air to and from work. Then they get chauffeured around and fly privately chartered Part 135 air transport.
I began a fully remote career in 2018 as a freelancer and it changed my life immeasurably for the better. However, since 2022 and coinciding with the birth of my son, it's steadily ruined my professional life to essentially being unemployed now. My main employer wanted to switch to full-time contract workers and would only accept people living close by. All other places I've applied to have insisted on at least hybrid work and I can't just move wherever I want because I have a small child and my wife's workplace to think about.
This hurt me so much. I cannot be on my feet for 8 hours after a medical concern arose a few years ago and it really limited my job search. I am seriously happy for anyone that has been able to pull it off 100% since the pandemic ended.
Very on point. Recently, a vast majority of companies that mandated RTO in the last 12 months have begun formal layoffs, in addition to the not-so voluntary permanent vacation packages offered. When the economy turned and forecasts were revised, RTO mandates were used as a means to increase "attrition" to lower operating costs. If employees want to "collaborate" as companies proclaim, then allow voluntary RTO rather than mandatory RTO. Cities are also targeting companies who were given PILOTs (payment in lieu of taxes).
Remote work is loathed and return to office is promoted by the following: 1. Commerical landlords 2. Investors whose portfolio has significant exposure in commerical mortgage backed securities. 3. Admin department employees who manage office facility, vendors(security, cleaning staff, shuttle service) 4. City or town adminstration who collect taxes. 5. Commerical public and private transport services. 6. Anybody in authority who receives kickbacks from office facility management industry to push their employees to office so that the office industry continues to flourish even if it doesn't add any value.
@@cordfortina9073 When these employees are laid of by the employer the commerical brick and mortar industry nor its beneficiaries come to support those employees. Why should these employees spend money to promote somebody else self interest?
For some careers, remote work existed long before the pandemic. As a Graphic Designer, I was doing remote work from home in the 90's -- it was just called "freelancing" back then. Fields like Sales, Marketing, IT, and Customer Service also had a lot of remote opportunities -- all they usually needed was a phone or a laptop. In the late 90's, IBM made their entire sales team here in Tampa fully remote so they could reduce the cost of their real-estate footprint by eliminating three floors worth of office space. When companies use remote work as an excuse to reduce benefits, deny promotions, or terminate employment, it's exactly that: an excuse. If it hadn't been "remote work" it would have been arbitrary "performance concerns" or "budget issues" or something else.
They aren't going to promote me regardless if I'm WFH or not. In 19-years in my Engineering career I have only ever gotten one promotion at work and that was a gimme everyone after first two years. All other level increases happened by my quitting and going someplace else.
Just another bat to beat people back into the office with. Keep your promotion carrot, if I want more money I'll go elsewhere, not waiting for you. NEVER going back to an office, there still is no good reason for it, the cat is out of the bag.
I wonder when US and Indian salaries will converge. An experienced software engineer in India gets USD 40K (33 Lakh Rupees) per year. With the new job market, you can get some US software engineers for that, especially remote. Is there another reason other than wage to prefer an offshore software engineer (loyalty or obedience perhaps?)
Let’s remember that most career advancement happens when you change jobs anyway so a “no promotions” policy doesn’t mean all that much. In my mind coming into the office is the equivalent of a 33% pay cut. That’s the value of the freedom and flexibility that remote work offers. Each person puts a different number on that. Econ 101 says that there will be a price difference based on the aggregate value that employees in general put on remote work. Instead of making vague (and perhaps meaningless) career threats, companies should just come out and say that they will lower pay by %X for anyone who doesn’t want to commute.
American Express has also adopted a similar strategy to Dell. No job switching or promotions for fully remote employees, unless you are willing to convert to hybrid.
I got a lot less done when I was in the office; and was actually less motivated based on the morale in the office. That job was about seniority as far as us being able to work remotely. I didn't mind that I had had to go back to the office; but I did note a drop in productivity. A thousand interruptions a day. Unfortunately I do think the new model is to give yourself a promotion by going on to another employer.
I think the biggest hidrance of RTO is not really companies making you commute again. Commuting is already bad enough, but what for people who left the city? In 4 years they might just have gotten maried and had new families, invested in mortgages, etc...
Depends on what you’re doing remotely. If you get into a remote job and it’s dead on arrival from day one that job is never going to go anywhere. Basically same as in person garbage jobs that are dead end survival jobs. They’re the same and not going anywhere despite location and lack of commute. Also, some companies just make the assumption that they can grossly underpay due to it being a remote job. I’ve already encountered two such jobs and am currently trying to get out of one into something else that’s remote. As usual, everything takes $ so they pay you just enough for you to survive but not enough to actually live. So you’ll put into the company whatever they give you. I’m no longer a believer in hyperextending in order to prove myself on a job. There’s nothing wrong with my loyalty and work ethics but like everything in life that costs. Don’t expect 110 % out of me when you’re only giving me a basic wage, no holidays off, no insurance, no benefits, and no other perks besides just a job! In the meantime you simply plan a way out onto the next job and employer and hopefully land something better?!
