Is Writing C# on a Mac Realistic? How About Linux? 

Thanks for sharing.

I couldn't agree more. Fours years and counting here.

I agree. I've been programming in C# since it came out back in 2001 using VS, mostly. Rider is super cool because I can do my development on Mac, Linux, and Windows with the same look and feel and have a full-fledged IDE. Been using Rider now on Ubuntu Linux for 2 years now and love it!!! All other solutions out there are hudge-pudges. There is really no true, native Visual Studio IDE for MAC and Linux. It's all hacks, like VS Code, etc.

I've never really like the bulkiness of Visual Studio - a lot of features but my gosh it's a beast. Looking forward to trying Rider.

can you build desktop app in Mac using rider?

Yeah, though VSCode is free and Rider isn't.

@@Dultus Price is a big one for a lot of people, sure rider exists, but not everyone can afford a license lol

@@Anequit exactly. But of course you get something for your money there. So you should rather ask yourself if you really need the advantage. If you don't, then VSC is better for your individual case imo.

@@Dultus Visual Studio isn't really free either. If you are doing commercial work for a company you can't use the community edition.

Rider is a great choice for cross platform c#. It has all the features of ReSharper which is still lightyears ahead of Visual Studio's built in c# coding features. If you're a serious coder, it's definitely worth the yearly subscription price. Probably cheaper than what you're paying for streaming TV.

You are welcome.

Thanks for sharing.

I've been using Rider for Game Development (Unity) and occasional backend (ASP.NET Core and .NET Core, developed on macOS, built on Linux) for over 4 years now and I couldn't be happier. The fact that people don't bring Rider up in these conversations more often blows me away. C# and .NET doesn't necessarily mean Microsoft solutions anymore.

@@matheus.amazonas rider isn't free unfortunaly

You're basically saying the m1-m2max is running and building faster than a current let's say 13900h laptop? I may consider an m1max 16inch 64gb instead of a legion slim7i gen8 13900h. With the Mac I get better thermals, display, speakers, battery life, CPU and GPU performance . The legion with 4070 cost around 2150euro(2350usd), the m1max with 64gb 2nd hand with apple warranty about 2600euros(2850usd) Currently on m2air 8gb What do you suggest?

Thanks for the recommendation.

I don't think that .NET (Core) is a good comparison here. Being able to run on Linux is HUGE and is a long-term win. Some of the cross-platform desktop systems are a closer comparison, though.

I believe it is important to know how to use VSCode with C#. If you have better options for your daily use, use them. Just still know how to work with a quick editor like VSCode as well.

+1 for suggesting Rider.

I was actually very curious about people's experience with Rider. I've had luck with JetBrains IDEs in the past, I'll have to give this a try!

Thanks for sharing.

will you please help me to connect database for MVC?

I have used it and it is a great tool. I've considered showing it off on this channel. However, I also want to be careful to not give the impression that in order to be a "real" developer or do "real" work, you need to pay for an IDE. Microsoft provides free options that you should start with. That's why I use Visual Studio 2022 Community Edition (the one you can get for free in most cases). I used to use the Enterprise Edition, since I have a license for it, but I found that people were thinking that they needed the Enterprise edition in order to do work like I do on the videos. That's also why I don't use paid plug-ins for almost anything.

@@IAmTimCorey I get your point and I think it's valid, but the video talks about developing with C# on mac and Linux. Completely ignoring Rider seemed off, in my opinion. I believe that a quick reference to Rider (even saying that it's paid) wouldn't been a nice addition. Also, students can get free Jetbrains licenses using GitHub Student Developer Pack for as long as they're students.

@@IAmTimCorey man you can just create new jetbrains account every month and get another 30 days trial, in fact it is free

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Thank you!

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IKR I want one lol

Me too! Come on Tim, please let us know!!

I bought it a year ago, but I believe it was a limited run item.

Thanks for sharing.

You are welcome.

console apps are fine.

They are, yes.

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Thanks for sharing.

Thanks for sharing.

Thanks!

I think that's more of a Stack Overflow/ChatGPT question rather than one to answer on a podcast.

You can build one if it's for android, but it won't run natively on linux

If you can afford it, Rider is a good option.

There is a plug-in for VS Code for SQL Server.

@@IAmTimCorey Thanks for finding time to reply.😃

I just want to know if I can install dotnet 6 and keep learning ( I am currently just diving into what object oriented programming means) , and not bother with mono or f# whatsoever.

Yes, you can just use .NET 6+ on Linux. You can use VSCode as your editor (the new C# plugins are great). The only things you can't do are Windows-specific tasks (WinForms, WPF, .NET Framework, etc.)

@@IAmTimCorey thank you for finding time to reply

This is the burden of legacy code. All businesses face it. You have a codebase (Visual Studio) that you have invested millions into that is running on hundreds of thousands of machines. Companies depend on this software. Even small changes cause an uproar in the (paying) community. Remember when they made the menu titles all caps? People lost their minds. Now imagine how much work it would be to create a cross-platform project that not only replicated everything that Visual Studio does but then does it using tools that they haven't built yet (they can't build it on Avalonia without acquiring them since then they would be at the mercy of that team to support their (paid) product). But it isn't just that they have to build an entirely new app that works cross-platform using tools that don't exist (for them) yet, it is that they have to do that while supporting the existing Visual Studio and while supporting all of the edge cases that happen around the world. That's a tall ask. That's why companies like JetBrains have such an advantage. They can create a product using newer technology because they don't have the burden of supporting a massive existing client base.

Not sure what you are asking for. If you are wondering about the definition, the two are opposite. If you are struggling to hear the “t” sound, I’m not sure how to help.

Xamarin was replaced by .NET MAUI.

I didn't mention Rider for a couple of reasons. First, I was covering what Microsoft provided for C#. Second, Rider isn't free. Visual Studio 2022 Community Edition is free, as is VSCode. I try hard not to put people in a place where they feel like they need to pay in order to be a developer. Rider is a great option and a great tool. I'm just careful how I talk about it so that people don't feel like it is required. I do all of my demo code on Visual Studio 2022 Community Edition in order to show that it is fully functional and does everything you need (and beyond) for free.

@@IAmTimCorey I see - thats a valid reason 🙂

I remember. I’m just careful on how I present that info. Rider isn’t free and I don’t want people thinking it is a requirement.

@@IAmTimCorey fair enough

No, that won't work. WPF is tied into Windows (that's the W in WPF). However, you can use third-party libraries to build cross-platform desktop apps using XAML. Two such libraries are Uno and Avalonia.

Thanks!

I didn't mention Rider for a couple of reasons. First, I was covering what Microsoft provided for C#. Second, Rider isn't free. Visual Studio 2022 Community Edition is free, as is VSCode. I try hard not to put people in a place where they feel like they need to pay in order to be a developer. Rider is a great option and a great tool. I'm just careful how I talk about it so that people don't feel like it is required. I do all of my demo code on Visual Studio 2022 Community Edition in order to show that it is fully functional and does everything you need (and beyond) for free.

Learn C# in a year? Absolutely. In the C# Mastercourse (www.iamtimcorey.com/courses/csharpmastercourse.html), I do just that. A bonus course that goes along with the main course is the plan for learning everything in the C# Mastercourse (plus a lot more) in a year. It is called the Year of Coding. Now, the one word in your question that is a dangerous one is "master". Mastery is difficult to define, or to achieve. I've been a C# developer for 20 years. I would be cautious in saying I have mastery of C# because there is still quite a bit that I have not used extensively.

100% Avalonia is very nice to use

It is a great tool.

Correct, but I was talking about what Microsoft provides for free. Rider is a great option, but it isn't free. Not all of the audience can afford to pay for development tools, and I don't want them to feel like they need to.

@@IAmTimCorey As I remember, students have an option to use Rider for free. It might be good to note.

I think the "multiplatform hype" is because Microsoft years ago noticed that most servers run Linux, and given that servers often use terminal apps instead of GUI ones, that's when Microsoft choosed to open source C# and years later .NET as well, so developers could use C# on Linux servers. Now, when it comes to GUI apps that's a smaller market, and most desktop PCs run windows so I think Microsoft doesn't have a reason to port their GUI tools to other OSs.

Calling what cross-platform? They've never called WPF or WinForms cross-platform. They call .NET cross-platform because it is. However, just because it runs cross-platform doesn't mean that everything that it powers will be cross-platform. You can run .NET on Windows, Mac, Linux, iOS, Android, Tizen, and lots more. And that's just first-party stuff. If you account for how people have used third-party code in .NET, Avalonia and Uno work on practically everything with one code base (including Linux desktop).

@heavymetalmixer91 - I agree, that was the push. As for Linux GUIs, you have to remember that Linux doesn't have just one GUI engine. So it isn't even that it is a small market - it is a small market with multiple tiny markets inside of it.

Correct: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-M7V9ZzxPtVc.htmlsi=_tcIGtOecOPGKv15 While this was quick, and I'm not a big fan of how they handled it, I have talked to the developers directly to find out more information. It turns out that the .NET MAUI team was also the ones maintaining VS for Mac. By eliminating this product and accelerating their push into VS Code (a different department is handling that), they reduced their workload elsewhere so they could spend more time concentrating on .NET MAUI. The end result, we hope, is that .NET MAUI gets better and Mac developers still have a great option in VS Code (that will also work on Linux and Windows).

Visual Studio for Mac has been discontinued (it will still be supported through August 2024). However, part of the reason for that was because of how few people actually used it. Another part was because the .NET MAUI team had to support and improve it, which distracted them from making .NET MAUI better. The team had pushed for a year to add a lot of features to VS for Mac and no one seemed to care (based upon usage, sentiment, etc.) So, they discontinued it in favor of VS Code with the C# Dev Kit plug-in. They are working to replace all of the existing functionality and more with plug-ins for VS Code so that everyone can have access to them, not just Mac users. That means Linux finally gets some support.

I did answer the question in an obvious way.

M1 is definitely a problem, since the processor type changed. There are some changes coming soon, though, to improve the experience.

I'm not sure if you are actually saying something or just throwing words in a textbox. This isn't a coherent point or statement.

Why are you even here? If you like Java so much, go do Java stuff. It is ok that C# and Java both exist in the same universe.

“Just buy” isn’t always an option.

@@IAmTimCorey True! I was being a little sarcastic there haha I dont have the money for that myself 😆

I am developing a WPF-application with .NET6 and SqLite as the database on a Mac with M1 Max using VS on Parallels. So far no problems.

@@jurgenbartalis1933 only problem is the wallet 😆

it is quite inferior in performance

That wasn't the question. Don't obsess over a language so much. If you like Java, great. Go use it. But trolling on an unrelated subject isn't a good look.

And how is this related to the topic at hand? Your personal preference has no bearing on the choices or preferences of others.

How long has it been since you've worked with C#? The past few years have been amazing for C#.

@@IAmTimCorey so I think the last project was about 2 years ago I thought I'd give the latest .NET core another go. Everything worked but it was just boring (I'm on Linux). So I don't know about "amazing", but it had certainly improved in terms of being CLI first and a good LSP. But I recall their official snap package was actually broken "out of the box" (can't remember when), for me that was the last straw. If Microsoft couldn't be arsed to support their official snap package, why on earth should I bother using it.

@@Anhar001 did you switch to java?

@@snapcaselled1201 switched to Rust as well as Kotlin