Microsoft Terminate Visual Studio for Mac

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Once known as MonoDevelop, then forked as Xamarin Studio, it was purchased by Microsoft and eventually rebranded as Visual Studio for Mac. Note, this is not Visual Studio, nor Visual Studio Code, yes, it gets confusing, which is probably part of why it is being shut down. It will continue to received updates until August 2024 but after that, its game over for Visual Studio for Mac. In the video we do talk about the replacements, especially for Unity developers.
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@gamefromscratch 10 месяцев назад

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@MrEnvisioner 10 месяцев назад

Do you know if ReSharper will also be getting a VS Code port now that this has happened? As a webdev-by-day, I find it to be an essential tool for professionals writing C#. All Mac users on our team use Rider, but it'd be nice if VS Code was another option for them.

@sleepingcolossus 10 месяцев назад

You forgot to mention one crucial detail. "C# Dev Kit" requires a license. It's the same as the full-fat Visual Studio. Namely, free for FOSS projects and small teams, but anything more serious requires an MSDN subscription

@NicolasEmbleton 10 месяцев назад

Yeah. Better get a Rider license if that's the case.

@memsom 10 месяцев назад

So does VS Mac.

@saeedbarari2207 10 месяцев назад

who cares though

@memsom 10 месяцев назад

@@saeedbarari2207 no one. But there is a common misconception in this thread that VS Mac was free and that VS Code with the new C# plugin is some how not free because of the licensing. But it is the same. You always needed a Visual Studio subscription to use VS Mac professionally outside of the basic terms of the community license.

@saeedbarari2207 10 месяцев назад

@@memsom besides, mac people have extra money to throw away anyway

@memsom 10 месяцев назад

All Jetbrains needs to do now is make a Community version of Rider and they could own the Mac for C# development.

@memsom 10 месяцев назад

And …. Yeah they have a sale on now for 65% off Rider!

@gabriel55bra 6 месяцев назад

Jetbrains is so cheap. I don't know if a community version is necessary.

@apolloaster 8 месяцев назад

So if my initial thought was to begin in C++ should I transition to investing my time into C# instead for UI/UX , web design, and mobile?

@owdoogames 10 месяцев назад

Hang on... does this include Visual Studio 2022 Community on the Mac, which is fairly new and has Apple Silicon support? And I thought the Unity extension for VS Code was officially dropped? I'm confused. I was just starting to get into using Unity on my MacBook Pro... I think I'll just go back to using it in Windows, and stick to working with Godot in macOS.

@deeperlayer 10 месяцев назад

Dont ever develop games on a Mac or anything serious for that matter you are just shooting yourself in the foot

@rajshashank202 10 месяцев назад

@@deeperlayeryeah, you are correct.

@gh0stcloud499 10 месяцев назад

I wonder if this will also work nicely for UE since it also depends on a solution view

@countsnackula 10 месяцев назад

I only watch your videos every so often but I just wanted to say thank you for making the content you do

@DePistolero 10 месяцев назад

Been using code for a while, but always had some kind of problems with it, either during the setup, not seeing the solution correctly or not being able to debug stuff... But I lowed the workflow and shortcuts, plugins... eventually I bought rider and never ever looked back on either of those code or studio... rider is just spot on awesome.... and I use it on both mac and windows... ( unity dev here )...

@slowbro13215 10 месяцев назад

Yeah I like the workflow a lot & it's nice that it's on WIndows, Linux, & Mac so any tutorials etc. will work for you no matter what system you're on. It definitely has bugs though, the one I always get is error underlining sticking around after you fix the problem.

@rajshashank202 10 месяцев назад

I had also same issue in code so I switched to visual studio (the actual one for windows) so that I can make games in unity

@macshawn4057 10 месяцев назад

Im confuse, will VS Code still be available after 2024 for mac?

@borispaunovic965 9 месяцев назад

Yes

@AshnSilvercorp 10 месяцев назад

glad to see extend, embrace, and extinguish hasn't aged a day.

@antonandev 10 месяцев назад

I tried new Unity Extension for VS Code. Get an error "No definition found" when click Go to definition.

@ImperativeGames 10 месяцев назад

I think you want to install some C# extensions for VS Code to work first. Like the ones mentioned in this video. That said, I never managed to force VS Code to work as a proper IDE.

@antonandev 10 месяцев назад

@@ImperativeGames Unity Extension also installed C#, C# Dev Kit, IntelliCode for C# Dev kit automatically. Tried to regenerate project files. Also found a discussion on the github regarding this problem without solution.

@antonandev 10 месяцев назад

Found a solution: completely removed VS code with all temporary files (using cmd), reinstalled VS Code, Unity Extension with all dependencies. Got a new tab Solution Explorer. Now all is working as expected.

@pqsk 10 месяцев назад

What do you mean by the original VS kernel was cross platform? Do you mean the kernel driver support? Really lost by that comment

@gamefromscratch 10 месяцев назад

No I don't meant kernal in the operating system manner. I meant literally the source the Visual Studio was built on has long been multiplatform. Very early on it ran on other platforms to support workstations of the timr

@pqsk 10 месяцев назад

@@gamefromscratch ah okay. I was scratching my head. Thanks for explaining that. I'm honestly not surprised they're doing this. VS Mac was so bad. I get PTSD thinking about it 😆. When I saw better integrations on VS Code were happening and coding on VS Code was better that they would eventually get rid of it. Would be nice if they open sourced their changes

@lawrencedoliveiro9104 10 месяцев назад

Will Visual Studio Code be next? That, too, has a confusing name and problematic support.

@owdoogames 10 месяцев назад

I just read their announcement page - it seems they are pushing VS Code heavily as their cross-platform 'IDE' for Windows, Mac and Linux,. I think it's far too popular and modular to drop. I guess they used the prefix Visual Studio as a kind of marketing ploy to attract attention. They should change it to just 'Microsoft Code'. Everyone seems to refer to it as 'Code' anyway.

@leeoiou7295 10 месяцев назад

I saw this coming. The visual studio on mac was never real visual studio anyways. Unity should partner with jetbrains or just integrate sublime or vscode.

@memsom 10 месяцев назад

I saw it coming because I filled in a survey recently that now in retrospect seems like an excuse to cancel VS Mac. I was very honest and that probably did a little towards this decision. Along with everyone else’s concerns and responses. I guess a lot of negative feedback?

@user-uk9er5vw4c 10 месяцев назад

I currently use VisualStudio with Unity, but I guess Jetbrains and VS Code are already supported

@DeafMan1983 10 месяцев назад

It was inherited from Mono Develop but why does Microsoft not replace Mono Develop for Linux to "Visual Studio for Linux"? 😢

@el_primer_y_el_ultimo_caiman 10 месяцев назад

guess we're never getting vs mac support fixed in godot 4

@escape209 10 месяцев назад

Embrace Extend Extinguish

@memsom 10 месяцев назад

Even their own products. Lol.

@puretrack06 10 месяцев назад

I don't wanna afford rider

@thepokekid01 10 месяцев назад

As someone that's already been using VSC for other things, this sounds pretty suite... err, I mean, sweet.

@hermesdavidms 10 месяцев назад

with the new NET framework , mono was made obsolete and monodevelop was dead for some time now , it was kind of zombified visual studio code was better

@GameDevelop 10 месяцев назад

Visual studio code too?

@Dardasha_Studios 10 месяцев назад

News like this is amazing.

@Bess2k2 10 месяцев назад

I appreciate your updates.

@LilleyComix97 10 месяцев назад

As a Unity developer on MAC this sucks... I hope to find some solution

@airman122469 10 месяцев назад

Literally any text editor with LSP support will do just fine.

@airman122469 10 месяцев назад

Good. Now they should kill it for Windows too.

@m_maksym 10 месяцев назад

so who will be a king for Unity development on Mac?

@owdoogames 10 месяцев назад

TextEdit

@m_maksym 10 месяцев назад

@@JosephSeed lol) i think it's too early to dig Unity a grave))

@techpal5525 10 месяцев назад

😂

@samyoe 10 месяцев назад

As long as VSCode is still avails, I'm cool.

@Gjd94 5 месяцев назад

I can't even download it anymore, they only have the .exe available to download

@ewwitsantonio 10 месяцев назад

I really disliked using the macOS Visual Studio, coming from the windows Visual Studio. VS Code is nice but I haven't really gotten into using it for Unity projects yet. Rider is a nice option on mac.

@akashvora7575 8 месяцев назад

No need to be worried,, we have windows too !!

@raymk 10 месяцев назад

Call it "VS Code", instead of "Visual Studio Code" to avoid confusion.

@CoolestPossibleName 10 месяцев назад

I thought Visual Studio will be coming to linux

@d3v1lsummoner 10 месяцев назад

I think the "for mac" in your thumbnail is too big.

@CoolestPossibleName 10 месяцев назад

That's the reason I clicked this

@michaelzomsuv3631 10 месяцев назад

That's what she said

@muhammadyusoffjamaluddin 10 месяцев назад

A call for Unity3D to NOT TO INSTALL IT BY DEFAULT. Thank you!

@sicfxmusic 10 месяцев назад

You can deselect unwanted components during installation. You're welcome.

@user-uk9er5vw4c 10 месяцев назад

I'm not surprised as VS for mac is just sloppy and seems like a toy compared with the Windows version

@fakeusertas721 10 месяцев назад

Rider is not Free -_-

@pwhv 10 месяцев назад

thanks for the vid

@ceciphar 10 месяцев назад

💔

@kyryllvlasiuk 10 месяцев назад

It was never alive.

@screenapple1660 10 месяцев назад

It doesn't work on Unity.... I used it before... it takes longer than notepad. notepad just pop quickly.

@Blood-PawWerewolf 10 месяцев назад

Apple has been stopping any third party IDEs because of Xcode.

@damnhatesyou 10 месяцев назад

🥴 wow such misinformation

@Blood-PawWerewolf 10 месяцев назад

@@damnhatesyou well knowing they’ve removed the free developer account option and put it behind the $99/year (or is it $99/month, i can’t recall which on the top of my head), I’d expected them to crack down on IDEs that don’t require that developer account.

@damnhatesyou 10 месяцев назад

@@Blood-PawWerewolf the Developer accounts are to test the applications on your actual phone. I was criticised the development accounts they were a terrible thing.

@Blood-PawWerewolf 10 месяцев назад

@@damnhatesyou ohhh. I always thought they were needed to use Xcode for anything

@damnhatesyou 10 месяцев назад

@@Blood-PawWerewolf oh no, definitely not. Xcode can be used freely. it’s not even half bad it’s not great but I think it’s better than what most people would expect.

@TheKrozT 10 месяцев назад

JetBrains Rider has been so much better than VS for Mac for quite some time, I'm impressed that it didn't happen sooner.

@jasonchinn539 8 месяцев назад

I'm late to the game here, but calling these platforms "visual" seems ridiculous. The first instances were visualbasic and visualC++ because they were... visual! Wysiwyg, pick button, shape it, pick attributes, the new ones are just code editors. I just think it's stupid and lazy...

@rfsbsb 10 месяцев назад

I personally never cared about Visual Studio, always thought of it as cluttered IDE... I use Rider for anything C# nowadays.

@nursultannazarov8379 10 месяцев назад

Pay $250 for IDE? EWWWWWWW HOW EWWWWW

@xDanishGamerz 10 месяцев назад

@@nursultannazarov8379i actually agree. U can easily customize vs so it looks less cluttered by removing stuff u dont use.

@curtmantle7486 10 месяцев назад

@@nursultannazarov8379 I pay $89 for Rider and it's easily worth it.

@rfsbsb 10 месяцев назад

@@nursultannazarov8379 149 actually, but I've been using it for so long that it now cost me 89

@DLVRYDRYVR 10 месяцев назад

😅

@KevinCodeingology 4 месяца назад

This suck. Apple doesnt even provide a simple and functional way to work work with 3d (SceneKit is unsupported and without a community)

@filipg4 10 месяцев назад

They wanted to have the shittiest IDE on all platforms, but Mac already has Xcode.

@sleepingcolossus 10 месяцев назад

Can't win 'em all >:D

@KingKrouch 10 месяцев назад

I don’t get the purpose behind Microsoft releasing a dedicated C# IDE on Mac when XCode and Rider exist. Loved my time working with Rider.

@muhammadyusoffjamaluddin 10 месяцев назад

Just because you say it's C# does it mean it also supports whatever MS made? Let say F#, nobody knows what is that...

@gamefromscratch 10 месяцев назад

A few reasons really. First Xcode is crap. It also doesn't support C#, but being the worst ide in the history of IDEs is a good reason not to use it Second, they mostly inherited Visual Studio for Mac when they bought Xamarin Really it's the rise of Visual Studio code that has enabled them to shut this down without issue.

@memsom 10 месяцев назад

Rider also didn’t exist as a released product till at least after VS Mac was announced. Xamarin Studio already existed and VS Mac’s first release was a more polished Xamarin Studio.

@memsom 10 месяцев назад

@@gamefromscratchXcode wasn’t always crap. When it was Project Builder is was actually reasonable. It was also cross platform and there was a version that ran under windows.

@ThreeFortyThree 10 месяцев назад

@gamefromscratch I mean, you’re entitled to your opinion, but I prefer working in Xcode over VS (on Windows) any day of the week. But yes, if you want to (or have to) write C# code, such as in Unity, then you can’t use Xcode for that.

@ArabGamesDeveloper 10 месяцев назад

Rider killed it

@vulpixelful 10 месяцев назад

But then Xcode killed AppCode, fair's fair

@ArabGamesDeveloper 10 месяцев назад

@@vulpixelful not xcode really... they stopped it because of small adoption by developers

@vulpixelful 10 месяцев назад

@@ArabGamesDeveloper I'm guessing the small adoption is because Apple basically requires Xcode for native app development. You can develop for Android in Intellij so there would be no need to get AppCode for that.

@bronzekoala9141 10 месяцев назад

The nerve to not even mention Rider in the "what options do I have instead of Visual Studio for Mac?".... And they really should stop naming things "Visual Studio.." that aren't Visual Studio.

@sleepingcolossus 10 месяцев назад

There's a simple reason for that. "C# Dev Kit" for VS Code requires a license. And they don't want you spending your money on their competitor

@bronzekoala9141 10 месяцев назад

@@sleepingcolossus yes obviously. It's also quite pathetic.

@memsom 10 месяцев назад

@@sleepingcolossus so does VS Mac. It was the same terms as VS Community for the free version. Also, Rider has no free community version at the moment.

@sleepingcolossus 10 месяцев назад

@@memsom JetBrains IDEs have frequent Early Access Programs which can be used for free if you don’t mind being a beta tester

@joecooper8527 10 месяцев назад

@user-mv3qm4qh8l 10 месяцев назад

Me having a windows machine Oh noo, anyway

@joshua.jebadurai 10 месяцев назад

It's been dead for a while

@gamefromscratch 10 месяцев назад

Dead..er?

@memsom 10 месяцев назад

I dunno. I was using it exclusively on Mac till recently. It was the only way to do Xamarin iOS without needing a complicated VM system.

@mechanicalman4531 10 месяцев назад

java has always been better anyway

@bitmanagent67 10 месяцев назад

It was a weak product and they did themselves a disservice for call it Visual Studio. Glad to see it go. Rider (IntelliJ) is king on the Mac.

@naazeri 10 месяцев назад

very good decision. vscode is much better

@random_precision_software 10 месяцев назад

Good ! Who (with a brain) would even buy a Mac? You get better, for half the price buying normal PCs

@muhammadyusoffjamaluddin 10 месяцев назад

Who even guy a PC when you can build it and use arCh

@ceciphar 10 месяцев назад

The large majority of the tech industry?

@pwhv 10 месяцев назад

mac ecosystem developers, there is a lot of money involved, most of the americans use iphones

@jaspreetmaan121 10 месяцев назад

mac is better at everything except for gaming

@TroutButter 10 месяцев назад

@@jaspreetmaan121 No, no it's not.

@psyjax2 10 месяцев назад

It was a garbage IDE. Wont be missed.

@pwhv 10 месяцев назад

😂

@P4INKillers 10 месяцев назад

You're hilarious.

@tf5pZ9H5vcAdBp 10 месяцев назад

Good, f apple.

@ImperativeGames 10 месяцев назад

Mac OS if for dumb and/or old people who don't know anything about personal computers anyway.

@owdoogames 10 месяцев назад

Making inflammatory generalised statements is also something that 'dumb and/or old people' do.

@ImperativeGames 10 месяцев назад

@@owdoogames No, that's something what dumb and/or very young people do as they tend to make haste and radical judgements. But this is not inflammatory, generalised, radical, etc as I have both Windows and Linux on my PC and have used Mac a few times. And in comparison Mac OS treats its user as a dumb and incompetent fool. You can do very little with it and can't tune/configure it like a proper instrument. It's not an OS that you can use however you want... but more like a TV. So my statement is simply accurate and... unpolished.