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Is your OBGYN wrong about Estrogen | The research on Estrogen and Osteoporosis 

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@user-zl3km6nx7x
@user-zl3km6nx7x 4 месяца назад
I’m 65 yo and was denied hrt after having ovaries removed and recently received an osteoporosis diagnosis. I’m seeing an obgyn (toronto Canada), this afternoon , who provides bioidenticals. Wish me luck. I’m outside of the 10 year window for greatest benefits of hrt but according to Dr Menn , an obgyn menopause care specialist in New York, we do not turn into pumpkins after 65 yo and still can benefit. Thank you Dr Lucas for this remarkable bone health program. It is truly one of a kind.
@marionboulstridge5077
@marionboulstridge5077 4 месяца назад
I too am 65 and was denied hormones (in British Columbia). I found out I had osteo when I fractured my T7 six months ago. I am curious to know if you manage to get hormones or not.
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
Thank you for sharing this! I am glad this video was helpful!
@gmthomson100
@gmthomson100 Месяц назад
I’d love to know who you are seeing. My first gyno said i can only go on HRT at a low dose for 6 month and that canada doesnt prescribe HRT for bone health anyway. My new gyno said i can go on forever but the blood estradiol is only 52mmol/L which i reckon is 16pg/ml so am struggling to find someone in the GTA that knows and will dose for this!!!
@anne-louisegoldie
@anne-louisegoldie 4 месяца назад
In the UK, we measure oestradiol in pmol/L rather than picograms. So 60pg/ml is 221 pmol/L. (220.26pmol ) Mine is consistently lower than this. NHS doctors make a fuss about patients asking for an E2 blood test, 'no need' , or, ' we don't do that '. I've had to stand my ground to get it tested annually, and that's the only reason I know, and that they know, my levels are inadequate and have been for years now. Then there's another big fuss about asking for a higher dose of oestradiol. It's such a faff to go through this power play nonsense, and yet it's so important for patients to get what they need. Especially for we patients at higher risk for osteoporosis, and not just because of menopause. Thank you so much, I will remember the information from this video for my next battle 💛🤗xx
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
Thank you so much for sharing all of this. I am glad this video was helpful!
@maricogan2903
@maricogan2903 24 дня назад
I am a 72 y/o RN, still working at the bedside. The combi-patch I WAS using is now $400.00/month because I have Medicare. The hormone pellets did not like me at all. I have an appointment with a new GYN this week. wish me luck getting estradiol patch /c Progesterone microlized.
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 22 дня назад
Thank you for sharing this!
@gillianboyd1851
@gillianboyd1851 4 месяца назад
A heartfelt thank you Dr. Doug from Canada. The research and presentations provided are very much appreciated. I’ve been following your presentations for several months, since first diagnosed with osteoporosis. Your work educating women like myself with knowledge and science based research has empowered me to question the standard medical, drug based approach. Like others who have posted here, I’ve to had to push through and keep asking about a hormone alternative for osteoporosis, which can be an onerous process in the Canadian medical model. I’m determined though, to resist using osteoporosis drugs for as long as possible. My intent is by accessing accurate knowledge, lifestyle enhancements and HRT, I’ll continue to live a vibrant, healthy life into old age.
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
Hi Gillian, thank you so much for sharing all of this. We are glad you are here, it sounds like you are on the right path. We have a wonderful community here and I hope we can continue to help you through your bone health journey!
@judithnolan1683
@judithnolan1683 4 месяца назад
Thank you Dr. Doug for what you do for women.😊💕
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
Thanks for watching!
@pamelahyde369
@pamelahyde369 4 месяца назад
I’m an Ob/Gyn focusing my approach on optimizing diet/lifestyle/mindset +/- HRT and giving lots of physiological Testosterone. There are no studies looking at brain, bone and body optimal health for women when we replace T as well. I aim for 70pg/ml E2 for women on no Test replacement and 30-40 pg/ml when giving concomitant Test. Do you have an opinion regarding optimizing hormones other than E2? I treat with Oxytocin if there is evidence of prolonged grief (like divorce or death of a spouse) or complex PTSD. Thank you for the courage to have these conversations regarding HRT and what is optimal for ‘humanity’. With woman commonly taking on post menopausal ‘rules, roles, and responsibilities’ that were uncommon 50 years ago we need to rethink what is optimal.
@belly4608
@belly4608 4 месяца назад
Hi Doc, does gel form deliver estrodial better than the patches, like Dr. Doug said?
@SL-1985
@SL-1985 4 месяца назад
I think SBHG also plays a role in estrogen levels/testosterone levels and availability. blood sugar levels, inflammation plays a role. so does thyroid and T3 to T4 conversion
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
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@ThreeGreenthumbs
@ThreeGreenthumbs 4 месяца назад
Thank you for providing links to the studies! I will bring them to my OBGYN for my well-woman visit. I have to argue with her (and bring studies) to up my estradiol every time I see her. She keeps quoting "the lowest dose, the shortest amount of time" crap. I also have to push her to get lab testing for hormones. I have been on corticosteroids for asthma for over 20 years so HRT is so essential for me and my bones. Great video!
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
Thank you for sharing this, I am glad to hear these videos are helpful!
@janedough6575
@janedough6575 4 месяца назад
Interesting that she worries more about hormone replacement long term than steroids long term.
@ThreeGreenthumbs
@ThreeGreenthumbs 2 месяца назад
@@janedough6575 First off, your comment makes no sense. I am NOT worried about HRT long-term--that is not what I was talking about. I am concerned about long-term inhaled steroid use! That is why I want to protect my bones with HRT. Moderate to severe asthmatics have to take inhaled steroids daily so they can BREATHE.
@lindathompson4770
@lindathompson4770 4 месяца назад
How many years out from menopause can women still benefit from hormone therapy?
@mandysmith7812
@mandysmith7812 4 месяца назад
I’ve just started taking HRT at 64, after seeing a different Consultant. She asked why I wasn’t taking it and wasn’t impressed when I said I was told I was too old by the previous Consultant who just wanted me to take drugs. She assured me it was one of the best defences against bone loss and for my heart health.
@lindathompson4770
@lindathompson4770 4 месяца назад
@mandysmith7812 Thanks, good to know. Just last week, I ran into a GYN acquaintance (not my Dr) and told him about Dr Doug. I commented about a recent bone density test and that I'd seen him once several years ago about Bioidentical HRT, and he told me I wouldn't benefit from it since I was post M. He'd recently closed his OB/delivery practice and changed his focus, so maybe he wasn't as well versed at the time as I thought he'd be, or just thinking about symptoms other than bone. I asked last week if I could take them for my bones and he said to come see him.... only I don't know if I want to now.... how much confidence I'd have in him. I also asked if he was familiar with the REMS testing, and he wasn't so I briefly told him about that. He's independent from the clinic he was part of, so he isn't bound to a corp or big pharma any longer. Hopefully, I can take some good notes from listening to Dr Doug to talk to this Dr or my GYN. Mine is part of the clinic the other Dr left. I'm about exhausted from trying to put this all together, and crossing my fingers that I don't end up in a wheelchair one day.
@pejisan
@pejisan 4 месяца назад
forever
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
Great question! Checkout our health span nation if you have not yet, you get exclusive access to me and a community of people pursuing health and longevity. These are things that we discuss in there and it allows us to go into detail rather than doing short chats through this platform. You can find more information here --> www.drdouglucas.com/healthspan
@Padraigp
@Padraigp 4 месяца назад
​@@mandysmith7812yeah especially the patches don't increase the risk of breast cancer and I think stroke is less too. Take your stroke preventative foods as well to minimise stroke risk you should be fine. Osteoporosis is pretty harsh and the drugs they give for it also harsh and risky so anything that can stave off that problem seems like its worth doing. The drugs for osteoporosis are also risky and less beneficial so it kinda seems crazy they don't offer it as long as someone is benifiting and doesn't have a problem related to it.
@reimaravalk7679
@reimaravalk7679 4 месяца назад
Thank you Dr. Douglas. Another insightful informative video. Many, thank, Reimara
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
Thank you for watching!
@tiffinywilliams5055
@tiffinywilliams5055 3 месяца назад
Thanks for the great content
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 3 месяца назад
Glad you enjoy it!
@robyn3349
@robyn3349 4 месяца назад
Thank you!
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
Thank you for watching!
@dr.angmacmcconnell9420
@dr.angmacmcconnell9420 Месяц назад
What research references do you have to show what serum levels are optimal for post menopause (2 years) to improve osteoporosis and muscle loss. To name a few systems failures in myself. And, what dosages of transdermal, progesterone, testosterone. And the research I can show my gym. Thank you Dr. Lucas
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 28 дней назад
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@AvocadoBoyFarm
@AvocadoBoyFarm 4 месяца назад
What do you mean they have reasonable validation to use as little as possible for the shortest time as possible?
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
Great question! Checkout our health span nation if you have not yet, you get exclusive access to me and a community of people pursuing health and longevity. These are things that we discuss in there and it allows us to go into detail rather than doing short chats through this platform. You can find more information here --> www.drdouglucas.com/healthspan
@user-EinsteinSarge
@user-EinsteinSarge 4 месяца назад
Love this type of content - need more on HRT
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
Thank you for your feedback, we will keep that in mind!
@sharonmarz8471
@sharonmarz8471 4 месяца назад
So, what about hrt and breast cancer risk?
@skitchyjohnson
@skitchyjohnson 4 месяца назад
See the book estrogenmatters. They have an insta account by the same name. They go over the studies.
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
Checkout the video on my channel called "Does Estrogen Cause Breast Cancer or Build Bone?? What the research got WRONG!"
@AliciasHealingChannel
@AliciasHealingChannel 3 месяца назад
Test for estrone and estradiol and get the ratio right 1:3 via proper delivery brand and dose. ❤
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 3 месяца назад
Thank you for sharing!
@PattyNeie
@PattyNeie Месяц назад
I am 72. I was diagnosed with LCIS and then through a biopsy they found a micro cancer. I did the lupectomy and all the LCIS was removed and no cancer was found? They said it was so small they got it with the biopsy??? Now Doctors will no longer give me HRT??? Do you have a suggestion as t what I can do. The symptoms coming off HRT is life changing. Thank you so much for your great videos!!!
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas Месяц назад
Checkout our health span nation if you have not yet, you get exclusive access to me and a community of people pursuing health and longevity. These are things that we discuss in there and it allows us to go into detail rather than doing short chats through this platform. You can find more information here --> www.drdouglucas.com/healthspan
@b.a.6362
@b.a.6362 28 дней назад
How is the absorbtion using olive oil instead of the cream for the Estrodiol ? Which mixture is better absorbed gel, cream or clean organic olive oil/
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 28 дней назад
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@zsigzsag
@zsigzsag 4 месяца назад
Do these hormone therapies include progesterone? How do levels of this hormone relate to bone density/loss?
@skitchyjohnson
@skitchyjohnson 4 месяца назад
See Dr Heather Hirsch... If you have a uterus, you need progesterone to keep the lining of your uterus from thickening and protect you from risk of uterine cancer.
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
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@mariamarino138
@mariamarino138 4 месяца назад
My doctor won’t test me, no doctors want too!
@littlecanvases
@littlecanvases Месяц назад
At 67, I am told that having never been on HRT - the amount of estrogen required to assist with Osteoporosis would carry cardiac risk. I have a cardiac calcium score of 44% which my cardiologist says is about where he would expect it to be for my age. What if any of what I have written would you consider truth? Should I seek another Dr. and try to get estrogen replacement? Or is it true that at my age the therapeutic dosage (and re-introduction of estrogen after more than a decade) would carry too much cardiac risk? If you can't answer this - could you recommend a good tele-health functional medicine expert I could consult with> Thanks in advance - truly - and for all you do to help.
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas Месяц назад
Hi! Thank you so much for sharing this. Checkout the video on my channel called "Will the BEST thing for Osteoporosis Cause a Heart Attack? | The TRUTH About Estrogen"
@GiGi-fd6om
@GiGi-fd6om 4 месяца назад
Thank you for this great info. So for someone using estradiol in the morning, what is the best time to test the blood?
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
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@stef3565
@stef3565 4 месяца назад
I'm 58. Is
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
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@maricogan2903
@maricogan2903 24 дня назад
Is it common for either Estrogen or Progesterone to trigger Atrial arrhythmia?
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 22 дня назад
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@LilaCharlieHolly
@LilaCharlieHolly 4 месяца назад
What do you think about pellet HRT?
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
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@SumGirls
@SumGirls 4 месяца назад
As you know, I LOVE my HRT! Thank you, Dr. Doug for taking care of me and everyone else! I literally don’t know where I’d be (or who I’d be) without it, or YOU! 💜 💪 🦴
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
Thank you so much for sharing! We are so happy to be apart of your bone health journey and being able to provide a brighter, happier and more confident future for you!
@salleone6387
@salleone6387 4 месяца назад
In the graph where both estrogen and endometrial stimulation is displayed, it looks like the optimal level of estrogen is just shy of stimulating endometrial tissue? Can you explain a little why that comparison is important? The take away for me is bone health good vs endometrial stimulation bad?
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 3 месяца назад
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@susandewhurst6771
@susandewhurst6771 4 месяца назад
Please can you clarify the European equivalent. Eg a result of 83 pomI/L and the doctors in the uk recommend 200 for bone health. How does that compare to the 60 you mention?
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
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@rockybeachy
@rockybeachy 4 месяца назад
I just watched the video on reversing osteoporosis in 6 months which referred to this video. Odd thing is that in that most recent video your right arm is totally tattooed, and this video which was supposedly made three weeks prior you have no tats. What???
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 3 месяца назад
Hi! Yes, this is a recent addition :)
@kmtx78
@kmtx78 4 месяца назад
I just got put on this for my bones because I did not have any estrogen showing up in my bloodwork. I am post menopause and -5.7.
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
Thank you for sharing!
@kimw5533
@kimw5533 4 месяца назад
Are there long term studies showing and effect of higher estrogen levels? How long would one want higher levels? Recent studies show lowering estrogen dosing after 65.
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
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@821dbt59
@821dbt59 4 месяца назад
I hear that post menopausal women who have had a total hysterectomy but w a history of endometriosis have to consider progesterone if they do HRT. Pls comment.
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
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@robertahughes8782
@robertahughes8782 4 месяца назад
Do you recommend estradiol only, or do you combine it with progesterone?
@julilla1
@julilla1 4 месяца назад
If you have a uterus, you should take progesterone with estrogen/estradiol. Progesterone reduces the risk of uterine cancer.
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
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@marymunkcampbell6806
@marymunkcampbell6806 3 месяца назад
Which pharmacy do you use for your estradiol cream?
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 3 месяца назад
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@elvan7502
@elvan7502 4 месяца назад
What is your opinion on Raloxifene in cases when estrogen replacement therapy isn't an option?
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
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@elvan7502
@elvan7502 4 месяца назад
@@Dr_DougLucas Will do. Thanks!
@rebeccadavis674
@rebeccadavis674 4 месяца назад
What about progesterone with estradial with those with uteruses?
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
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@Indydi
@Indydi 4 месяца назад
How long does it take for HRT to impact BTMs if all three hormones are given? I'm in a race against the clock and won't get started for at least a month. Apparently I'm not created for greatness...
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
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@marshamcnerney2060
@marshamcnerney2060 2 месяца назад
No information about women who have had hysterectomies
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 2 месяца назад
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@mariamarino138
@mariamarino138 4 месяца назад
My GYN just gave me a script for Climara, and Premarin.
@kellypeters8330
@kellypeters8330 4 месяца назад
You should ask for bio identical, horse estrogen isn't good for humans...not to mention for the poor horses....best of luck
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
Thank you for sharing this
@JuliePeterson-12345
@JuliePeterson-12345 4 месяца назад
Do you use compound troches in your practice? My doc recommended BiEst E2+E3+Prog in troche form and I can’t find any great info on it
@lhobs9430
@lhobs9430 4 месяца назад
I used these for years from a pharmacy in Eugene, OR. The pharmacist was very helpful anytime I had questions.The compounding pharmacist is a good place to start.
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
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@JuliePeterson-12345
@JuliePeterson-12345 4 месяца назад
@@lhobs9430 thank you for your reply:)
@DONNAWEIDENBACK
@DONNAWEIDENBACK 4 месяца назад
How does hormone therapy relate to 74 year old females?
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
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@pamc3338
@pamc3338 4 месяца назад
Prob not.
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
Thanks for watching!
@kimw5533
@kimw5533 4 месяца назад
How soon after starting HRT should I have my estradiol level checked?
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
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@arteysazónconlucía
@arteysazónconlucía 4 месяца назад
Hello, your opinion about Estriol? For vaginal atrophy is safe?
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
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@janedough6575
@janedough6575 4 месяца назад
Interesting, she worries about long term hormone effects but not long term steroid use 🙄
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
Thank you for watching!
@gina2553
@gina2553 4 месяца назад
Thank you!
@Dr_DougLucas
@Dr_DougLucas 4 месяца назад
Thank you for watching!
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