IS ZETTA RIGHT ABOUT RIVALS 2? 

Some of the dialogue had to be replaced cause of complications. So its not always good. But MGG helped out with that. Without his help it wouldve been worse

Drift DI is a constant defensive option you have during a combo, and shields are exclusively a grounded option, mostly in neutral. IDK how you could reasonably believe they serve the same purpose or that shields "make up for" no drift DI.

Man, my mic quality is ass.

34:56 Something people may not know that I found out about normal pummel (I learned it from Wisely's video on Rivals 2) is that landing a normal pummel removes the chain grab protection characters have when they get grabbed, so you can regrab and continue the combo. The normal pummel is actually quite valuable, especially at higher levels where players will know how to take advantage of regrabs. Edit: My bad, you mentioned it a minute later.

"It doesn't seem like this video..." [Like button glows]

Oh hey, Mr Game Guy is here. Nice I think the only thing you guys missed that could be brought to the conversation is that Guilty Gear is an example of a game that diminishes some of it's "identity" and turned to something closer to "Traditional Street Fighter".... and it worked out great for them! The game is the least Guilty gear-ish it has ever been and plenty of long time fans complained about it initially. Then it became the most successful one in the series and the amount of players who like it for what it is became louder than those fans. Perhaps the bet here is that the same will happen to Rivals 2, where it plays closer to a Smash-like with its shield and ledges... BUT with _some_ rival mechanics and sensibilities to make it stand out.

I like how understanding this video is, where you guys aren’t criticizing points you’re just saying your thoughts on those points. Cool video! Also, have you guys thought about having a discussion with zetta? I think you guys coming to a conclusion on the critiques of rivals 2 could be really cool to see.

An interesting video concept. Going back and forth, and good points all around.

Dont forget the normal pummel lets you re grab, rather than having to wait for them to recover to be grabbed again. So it's more than the hit dmg.

Can't wait for the next podcast

24:01 how on earth did you manage to not shut up yet say absolutely nothing for a solid 3 minutes

Any chance you're looking for more people to contribute to plat fighter discussions? I've been playing them since Melee's release and would love to add some insight 😊

25:13 I imagine the argument is morseo based on the fact that the special getups/pummel special are selling points to set Rivals 2 apart from other platfighters, but in practice they aren't that significant, being relegated to situational gimmicks rather than something that shakes up the core gameplay. Like the title of this section of the video, it's just fluff.

This is the only podcast I listen to

Professional yappers reacting to VETRON yapper.

I think you took some of their criticisms too seriously and came off as defensive rather than actually interested in a dialogue. Also, the part about the new specials being niche, I didn’t think they were complaining about that. I think they were complaining about how some characters don’t get good use out of it. Like sometimes you are picking apart things that they’re not talking about.

the only reason i got rivals 1 is because characters i want in smash arent in smash so i could use workshop characters, if theres no workshop support im just not gonna buy rivals 2

wave dash is too easy honestly, but melee it too hard

no, she's not :D