Iskandar quote||What A King Should Be|| Fate/zero  

the difference is, once refused to accept this leading it to ruin in the end, and the other knew this was coming, and only wished to prolong his kingdom even if a little

@Nible3640 isn’t that what a proper king is suppose to do, leave behind people who can stand on their own and not become dependent on a single person, if you ask me, iskandar had every right to call out Artoria and that’s a fact I’m not moving from

@Nible3640 yep

@Nible3640 To be fair said left behind conquerors ended up trying to conquer each other leading to death in that power vacuum mess when he died

A true King should live for more than their own generation. It's the family name that lives on, a dynasty should always seek to maintain legitimacy of their rule and not leave the future crown to the hungry wolves.

Exactly rob Lucci .........she was great king but it's really hard to relate with her in reality

indeed, iskander is a king who choose to live among his people as a person, with all the quality's, ambitions and faults mortal humans have. saber on the other hand thought that to be and king meant she had to be more than human and thus be distant from them and without the things that come with. iskander knew he wouldn't be around forever and his kingdom would fall and accepted that. saber couldn't accept that and thus thought to erase that past in hopes of something better taking it's place, but even if something better did come along, it would last either. "pain and loss define us as much as happiness and love. everything has it's time and everything ends." sarah jane smith, doctor who.

@@chriscant2466 It did not help her mentality that that was exactly the plan. She was supposed to be king for eternity, forever ruling from above as everyone around her died of old age. Like a machine she would act as the organiser and guide for her people... forever. She and EMIYA are exactly alike in this regard. They threw away everything for a singular goal, even if that meant an eternal damnation. Iskander lived his life as if he would die and so lived as fully as possible. Arturia lived her life as if she would never die and so chose to not to live.

@@Gravora oh that's right, i forgot her sheath avalon essentially made her immortal; i don't think she ever considered ever losing that. also while similar there are some differences between EMIYA and saber; when emiya accepted he thought of it as reward at first. being able to save people forever, what more could he ever ask for . . . until he found out the hard way that the duty of a counter guardian is not what he thought it was. saber saw it as a duty, a responsibility only she and she alone could up hold and that meant immortality was what was needed to achieve that. she found out what happens when you live apart from the people you a trying rule does, but like you said her mentality didn't help.

@@chriscant2466 From what I understand about it I do not even think EMIYA thought being a counter guardian was a reward. No more than we could consider being allowed to breath would be. EMIYA was empty of purpose except the one that Kiritsugu inadvertently gave him. You take away his desire to help people then he essentially would be an empty doll. Something which he makes clear when he retells his survival of the fire. He threw himself away. I think, personally, this is the same as Saber as well. She was not as broken as EMIYA but you could argue she had been brainwashed, by Merlin and her brother Kay, to be a certain way for the good of the country; and she, like EMIYA, was gently guided to her role by the pressures around her and the self-sacrifice of their own identity, for one reason or another.

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Sorry to bring politics into it but as a conservative I used this exact reasoning, I personally know a guy who brings the steaks to a party because his family of 3 gets $800 in food stamps alone he thinks it's funny and the GF has never worked a day

that's beautiful man

@@hcook1023are you mad at a guy who brings you guys streaks for free or mad at the politicians and CEOs who robbed the middle class?

@@jokerpilled2535 mostly politicians and bureaucracy the government is absolutely horrid financially, take that as a government employee

Tell me you know nothing about saber without telling me you know nothing about her..

She never forgot the people, she simply distanced herself from them to protect them but by doing so they never learned how to protect themselves

She fights ideals she thinks her people want from her never bother to actually face the people she fights for

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Agreed

Except no. That was a minor issue. The reason camelot went to shit was due to power struggles.

@@hadougodmagsarion yeah, a power struggle caused by the things said above.

@@insufferableanarchist nope. The power struggles were entirely separate. There were but a few who made a fuss because saber didnt "connect" with the people but they werent the main culprits. Like i said it was entirely separate. Zero tried to paint saber as some naive king but she wasnt really that naive. There is a reason zero is such a controversial topic when it comes to saber's character

I would join Broskhandar too.

Same

Aye

He is a true king, inspiring his people to become better is the mark of a king

Yea

I thought she outright said as much at the end of zero.

She pulled Caliburn from the stone, she later got excaliber from the lady of the lake after caliburn was stolen from her/destroyed in battle. Caliburn is the sword of kings n Excalibur is the sword of promised victory.

Iskandars speech gave the first crack and doubt to Saber's hard headed ideals, but the final nail that crack her whole hard headedness is the fact the berserker with so much rage she faced in the war is one of her loyal knights " Lancelot," she finally snap and saw what she did wrong, with Lancelots rage burning aflame blaming her and Iskander's slapping the definition of what a true king to her face, gave her the realization that a king is a savior and also a LEADER, she didn't lead her people, she only saved them, she's being so selfless that she became a entity that no one would like to follow in her path, thats why theres a huge difference of being a hero and a king(leader)

Yup She may stand as one of the greatest kings and warriors in all of history...she always stands alone. Iskandar meanwhile is never alone.

Unfortunately many kings use their soldiers as pawns instead of brothers in arms.

The fact that his noble Phantasm is his entire army, while hers is just a huge Swordslash is *exactly* the kind of storytelling through power that makes me love Fate/Zero. The abilities they have reflect their personalities PERFECTLY.

So who is your idol here?

@@mugiwaraboyaa9406 Iskandar, his philosophy is amazing. Although I love each one of these characters.

Same I love everyone but for me Iskandar is more inspirational 👊

@@mugiwaraboyaa9406 yes, he was an inspiration for me on my own life, that helped me to overcome a period of great difficulty. And I find much more reason on his view too.

@@mugiwaraboyaa9406 Mugiwara if you chose Iskandar, Iskandar would not love everyone else, that is called Pride

I don't think you totally got what Iskandar said, embodying all extremes means you also being willing to sacrifice yourself for the good of the people more than anyone else would. All he was trying to say was her way of king wasn't wrong, it's that it was far too removed from reality. Nice observation tho, I agreed till I came to realize you kinda missed the mark a bit, both of their ways were necessary yes, but that's exactly what Iskandar was saying. He knew his way of king was flawed too, he's realized his mistakes and accepted his flaws, thus the reason why he doesn't pursue the grail to change his past. That's why he said a selfish king is 'better' than a figure head, there was a comparison, he didn't say the best. You're right on the fact that there must be a balance, but that's exactly what he was trying to make her see.

​@@44_bulldogTFuck that shit. All of Iskandar's allies killed themselves after his death.

U r not supposed to say just rider, there a lot of riders in the fate series

@@joshuacaleb6954 Implying the other Riders worth remembering.

Technically he knows that Saber "abandoned them when they lost their way" (atleast if he knew that she was Arthuria -forget if he knew that allready-) because Servents get information about the History when they are summoned. Thats why they normally dont say who they are

I disagree. Her country was destined to fall. Its a quantum time loop . She didn't abandon mordred either. She just didn't accept mordred as her successor because mordred never was capable of being a king. She didn't drive away her nation . Thats not consistent with lord

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But Iskandar is showing the right example of how a king should be..... I would say that saber is more like hero who wants to save everyone anyways if you liked the content do share with your friends and checkout other quotes too on channel and aslo do like, share and subscribe

@@mugiwaraboyaa9406 They both have real solid points, that if I was a king, I would be something of a mix between the two ideals. I'd live life louder than another, while lifting up my subjects and empowering them since a kingdom is nothing without her people. Be a person who is worth following, that way when I'm gone, my legacy will out live me. At least that's what I figure.

Like emperor of mankind

@@whiteeye9584 I'll be honest, my knowlege on the Emperor of mankind's thought process is...limited, but from what I understand his way of ruling and interacting with those around him seemed kind of similar to how Saber did when she was king. It doesn't help that his and the imperiums downfall is parallel to saber's .

We need characters like him in real life too

one saved them and one raised them up.

INDEED

Like iskandar said she never led her people and this point can be best seen with mordred. Artoria never led mordred down the path to have the true ideals of kingship. She only denounced her because artoria didn’t see her ideals of kingship in mordred and never bothered to guide her to those ideals. Instead she only allowed mordred’s resentment to fester and expand.

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He probably would have seen him as just another saber who only saves them, never teaches them to save them selves.

I don't think he would have liked archer in the end. All Archer did was give up everything to try and be a hero and then got screwed over because of it. That's the result of a selfless wish to save others being twisted into not saving yourself. Like sure it's fine to dream of being a hero who saves others but if it the cost is you losing yourself then that's not a dream worth pursuing

The difference is that he doesnt regret what happend to his Kingdom he may mourn it and shed tears over its demise but he doesnt regret it.

@@f.w.3823 He saw that it was best to remain in the present and look forward to the journey ahead.

@@JapanFreak2595 It more than that. In his opinion regretting his action would be an insult towards those who followed his great vision.

Indeed it fell. But why did it fell? Was it conquered by enemies? Or did his people led to its destruction following their dreams? That's the main difference here. Alexander created a huge empire and the only thing that kept it together at the beginning was his towering presence. Had he lived another 5 to 10 years he could have consolidated his dynasty and the empire might have endured. But he didn't, and his followers were people capable of leading nations. The only reason they followed him was because they acknowledge him as greater they they were. Cassander, Ptolemy, Antigonus, Seleucus, and so many others. Each of them an accomplished general and politician and capable of ruling. Do you honestly believe that these people would have accepted the subordinate role to each other? They bowed to no one except Alexander. That is what led to the fracturing of the empire. And note that his people didn't fall immediately, the Hellenistic kingdoms still existed for more than 300 years after Alexander's death. So no, he might mourn for the end of his united empire, but his people knew how to live after his death and continued to live and thrive in their kingdoms. His vision and way of kingship taught his people how to survive and live. And they did. What about Artoria's kingdom though? Did her people survive her death? No, they didn't. After her death Camelot was no more, the land was conquered by the Saxons and the last Roman Celts were driven to Wales, forced to pay homage to the new English rulers. Her way of kingship made her people dependent on their ruler and they didn't know how to live without her. Her way of the king was not something that anyone after her was willing to emulate, indeed I don't even think that anyone ever truly understood her way of life and thinking. That's the difference between them and what Alexander is criticizing specifically. I love Arturia, but she is acting as a knight, not as a king should. And that's the problem. A knight is obliged to serve the people and his lord. A king is supposed to lead his people. To offer them a dream and something to aspire to. He needs to be greedy and seek more. He has to always try to benefit his country and people. And through them, to fulfill his ambitions.

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IDK, do you consider modern day UK the same as Camelot?

She wasn't the king of the Angelo-Saxons, she was of the people before them. Artoria doesn't see the UK as her kingdom, but as the conquerors that ended it. Calling it 'that kingdom continued' would be like calling modern Italy the continued Roman Empire, ignoring the Lombards that conquered Italy, and whose kingdom truly evolved into what exists today. Also Artoria and Mordred died to each other while fighting over the throne. Not sure calling out Iskander's empire for falling to greed after his death says worse about his rule than the one who died while killing her son after a usurpation of the throne

​@@3one7crew Iskandar's Empire was already falling apart while he was alive thou, much worse than Saber who has to fight tooth and nail to keep her kingdom floating while being surrounded in every single direction by enemies to be entirely honest. Like, his "loyal army" basically turned on him when he made the unreasonable demand of invading India, saying that he's basically telling them to go their deaths for a meaningless invasion. In turn he started doubting his close advisors and started killing some of them willy nilly. Some say that he was poisoned because the people finally had enough of his nonsense. Iskandar did more conquering than he actually did ruling, and that was basically his downfall once people got sick and tired of fighting. Iskandar: Happy>People Miserable>Die. Saber: Worry>People do Ok>Die. Remember, for all of the "The king isn't human" thing, the common citizen never actually turned against Saber, they didn't understand her, yes, but no one denies that she didn't do a damn fine job. It was her son leading a militant force following a royal scandal that killed off or crippled most of her allies that did her in.

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I think the real reason rider dislikes sabers ideology so much is because of the level of regret she shows. Like he said you can mourn it and cry over it , but never show regret. Doing so would be an insult to everyone who followed and trusted you, who bled and died for you, and to say you want to just undo it all says that she thinks their sacrifices had no real meaning in the end, and that they died for nothing. But they didn't, they died serving a person they believed in and for a cause and purpose they were proud of. To change all that to never exist who be the greatest act of betrayal and disrespect I can imagine.

@@formicstrike9041 True, while I believe in upholding ideals, regretting decisions is only warranted if you did something wrong. Saber beats herself up way too much.

True indeed. I agree with what iskander intended to do to saber, to free her from her guilt. But his philosophy is nothing more than a sophistry. Saber's not one of my favorite characters but her thoughts in ep11 was making more sense than rider's. Felt like iskander's kingship and philosophy only exist in order ot makr iskander look badass.

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No, he means that she was far too distant. Her idea of a king is basically a civil servant or a protector, one who fights by themselves and doing everything themselves It wouldn’t be strange to think she wasn’t human, sure she looks, talks, and bleeds like a human, but she never had that one important component, worldly desires or more accurately the seven deadly sins that reside in all humans. Example: She never lusted after someone She never was greedy She never envied She never experienced gluttony She was never wrathful She never experienced sloth And she never took pride in herself as a individual She never had those qualities so she was seen as inhuman, the seven deadly sins exist because they make people people, the ambition for wealth comes from greed, love comes from lust, sense of one’s worth is pride, the drive for knowledge is a form of gluttony, the power to fight and protect the one’s you love comes from wrath, innovation is born through the thinking of “what if there is a better way” aka sloth, and the admiration children have for heroes is envy. The Seven deadly sins aren’t bad or good because they are part of us, the purest part because it’s not purely good or evil. Artoria was different, too different, and that was the problem she didn’t have any substance, just the constant self sacrifice and forcing her followers to do the same, which in a way is selfish. And would you serve someone like that, a person who has cast aside their natural human desires never acknowledging them, to go to a battlefield feeling practically alone even when your lord and master is right next to you, to constantly be force to do things without gaining anything, are okay with being a slave to what’s right and not decided your own decisions? “A man chooses, a slave obeys”, a quote that says a lot, the path to kingship is long and blinding, it can be as dark as a black hole or as bright as a white dwarf star, in the end no matter how much you or your friends and allies walk it it’s impossible to see what’s up ahead, Artoria ran ahead leaving her friends and trusted allies to die alone on the battlefields they fought, while Ishkandar ran with his friends and trusted allies fighting, even when he was far ahead on the battlefield he was still right next to them. Artoria placed herself on a pedestal so high to the point she was unreachable Alexander placed himself on a pedestal too but high enough to be admired and low enough to be relatable That’s my way of explaining.

​@@thegooneygamerboy5302dont the 7 deadly sins cause more trouble than there worth and would be better gone?

@@audreyharris7643Yes they do but they also make what who we are. We are lustful, prideful, greed, enviable, gluttonous, angry, and lazy but that doesn’t mean we can just ignore those qualities. What we must do is control them, bottling them up has never helped and just letting them loose only harms others, hell imagine yourself without these sins good and bad. Not very good am I right? Without greed yes people in power will stop cutting corners and actually care those beneath them but that also means we loose the drive to be anything in life. Without envy yes people will also stop trying to bring people down for the pettiest of reasons but most people look up to others cause we envy them. Without sloth yes people will be doing more in life but I think we can agree the feeling of laziness is far too comfortable to give up. With wrath, we’ll that’s pretty self explanatory. Without lust, there will be no more humans and physical attraction to other people is what gets you to pursue a lover interest. Without gluttony, we can loose our desire to learn. And without pride, we would have no sense of self respect in our lives, just because they are called the seven deadly SINS doesn’t mean they are entirely bad. Hell, try think of life with JUST the seven virtues, the two balance each other out, if you think life would be bad if we ONLY had the seven sins them it would be safe to say the same could be said of the seven virtues in its own way.

He wouldn’t remember it after 10 minutes

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Well unlike artoria who's kingdom fell when she was present, iskandars own continued on, even it was for a short time, it stood until it fell.

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From gintama

You have to remember too that Jeanne was martyred by the English church as a witch for all her troubles & sacrifices. Her end, like Saber’s, was tragic.

Indian British?

But saber is welsh not british

a king leads, a squire serves. if the king serves, then there's no need for a king.

Better than some carpenter who can do nothing but talk.

@@DarkAdonisVyers who are you referring to, Jesus?

@@gedaliahakselrod777 Yes.

@@DarkAdonisVyers The carpenter did fockin miracles, and he encouraged people to not be assholes to each other, Alexander asked people to join him in mass slaughter and pillaging. Say what you will I know which one I prefer

@@gedaliahakselrod777 Parlor tricks. No, he taught people how to delude themselves to value their weakness (slave morality) because they did not have real power, rather than teaching them how to get power (master morality).

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It's true that his dreams and way of living life are totally unrealistic but even if we have small percent of dreams like him that is also going to make us happy like "ignoring people and living lives by our own rules" these types of people are rarely seen in today's society, scientist which were considered to be mad for asking why apple falls from tree or making vehicles which can fly, etc would be really happy if i meet someone like him and he shares his dreams and goals with me even iskandar said that it is not necessary that ur dream should always come true but definitely chasing those dream is going to be adventurous and fun in life and as u know we mens are always in search of adventure 😏......so it's not wrong to have some childish dream we get to live only once consider that too

"always, ALWAYS end up turning into Gilgamesh" Is that a bad thing?

@@DarkAdonisVyers YES!!! The guy's a hedonistic creep who would gladly use us and then toss us away based purely on whim and fancy!

​@@MasterSwodude, that's not Gilgamesh, his kingdom is his property and he takes care of his property very carefully as a slight blemish on his kingdom is a blemish on himself.

@@mugiwaraboyaa9406 He is mad, but "all the best people are"

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Found it. Its fate and tragedy!

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Nope where did you find this quote anywhere on yt except here?

🤣 you nailed it

What makes either side what you call them

@@audreyharris7643 Historically, Alexander was not a Christian, while Arthur was. The result is obvious. One is super apologetic about everything.

@@DarkAdonisVyers from what I've seen you can be a Christian and not over apologize thats a bad trait to have anyway

@@audreyharris7643 Isn't Christian theology all about apologizing for the "original sin"?

@@DarkAdonisVyers not to my knowledge it's more so about quelling and fighting the wickedness temptation and sin within you and go on a good path connected to God. Tbh I've ever only been told about the first sin not told to constantly apologize for it only for the sins you do