Debating is not about fighting. It's about discussing to achieve a certain understanding. Hindi dapat tunog nag-aaway, hindi rin tunog nag mamayabang. A good and ideal debater speaks calmly and soundly, laying off his/her points clearly. Plus appealing to emotion in a debate is a logical fallacy. The topic is a wasted potential.
pag mas malakas daw ang boses, mas maganda hahaha tanginang debate to nag aagawan ng mic, hindi man lang nag aantay bago matapos yung isa bobo ng gantong debate
I think Josh is too overrated because of his appearance rather than his arguments. I am more convinced of how Norlie elaborated and delivered her (their) group points. In my opinion, Norlie deserves to be the best Speaker. Anyways, this is a good channel it focuses on students' points for they will be the ones who will inherit and come across in this issue in the future. Very well said!
In social psychology, we call this "Peripheral Route to Persuasion". This is when listeners focus on speaker's attractiveness and manner of speaking rather than the strength of the argument he gives, and pieces of evidence he presents.
DEBATE TIMESTAMPS 3:40 divorce introduction 5:44 stand #1 (favor) 6:11 stand #2 (unfavor) 8:01 start bardagulan 15:00 nagbigay comments 17:30 1st topic tackled (values, sacred, religion) 23:30 2nd topic tackled (cost, availability, accessibility, effects on children) 26:59 3rd topic tackled (continuation of child as priority, effect on the child) 31:35 Question favor for Pros (Abt continuation of marriage with a problem) 32:56 Question favor for Pros (Abt marriage with acts against human rights, effects on the child) 34:17 Suggestions favor for Cons 35:39 Question favor for Pros 38:27 conclusions
josh. he can't even deliver his side properly, some of his statements were contradicted by himself. he kept throwing sentences in an informal way, pinuputol niya yung mga sinasabi ng kabilang side without even hearing them out first. sarcastic yung way of talking niya, and mabilis mag-burst ng emotions, defenders should and must stay calm during a debate. he doesn't understand the point of the other's statements, i believe that he was just trying to voice out his insights about the cons of their topic, however, he delivered it in a contrasting way. i am siding on the pros' side, as their members conducted their statements formally and more reasonably. the cons side were also giving fair point, however, some of their basis and elaboration were not quite understandable. norlie deserves to get the title of the best speaker! i disagree with josh being the one who won the prize. norlie stood on her side and constructed her statements very well and open-mindedly, despite being cut off by the other team, she kept speaking up her opinions undisturbed. therefore, personally, i would love to see more of her participating in a debate session like this! they are all intelligent in their own ways! i hope she and the others become successful in the future. ( ꈍᴗꈍ)
30:25 Josh: Kapag sila ay na expose sa divorce sila rin ay magiging ganon. Josh, kapag sila ay masyadong na expose sa pagbubugbog, pananakit o pag aaway ng kanilang magulang may chance na isipin nila na tama yon at gawin yon. Baka maging abuser din sila. Putragis ka.
I agree it is a matter of probability whether the child will adapt the things he experienced or saw but we can't fully conclude that a child will turn out just like his parents. It may have influenced him/her at some point but Josh ended the statement as if he's really sure the child will do the same thing. He didn't clearly elaborate his point of argument. Some of his words contradict his previous speech and the information is vague.
36:35 it's also logical based on your argument sa pagiging modelo ng mga bata na maiisip din nila na tama lang kapag nagbubugbugan ang parents nila nag aaway nag sisigawan dahil yung din ang nakikita nila. When you file for divorce sa isang abusive at toxic na relasyon. tinuturan mo din yung anak mo na to stand up to his/her rights. Na hindi tama at normal na naaabuso sya sa isang relasyon dahil lang nakatali sya sa isang tao. Na hindi mo need magtiis sa isang situation na hindi na tama. Which can also be the case for Bullying.
I they should respect other people time before they talk and let the other party finish his or her argument so that they can explain their thoughts more clearly.
Ang dapat na best speaker ay si miss noriel kase mas may strenght ang kanyang points na kahit singit ng singit yung other parties hindi siya nagiba tiyaka mas naelaborate ni miss noriel ang point ng kanyang group
Di ko na tinapos yung debate nila HAHAHA. Binabasa ko palang mga comments mukang hahighbloodin din ako dun sa Josh. Knowing na ang informal nya makipag debate, sya parin yung best speaker maybe due to his appearance
I just find it ikot-ikot by Sarah G. charoot, for me umiikot lang yong sagot ni miss Tania about doon sa abusive partner. Filing a case against abusive partner still, doesn't give you a freedom to that partner. Imagine, pagnakulong yan, sinong mag-aaalaga ng anak? Wife pa rin. So it's not far from being divorce, right? Ang wife lang din mag-isa ang nagtataguyod. Pero the problem is pag nakalaya yong partner, saan sya babalik? Doon pa rin sa wife nya dahil kasal nga sila. So do they give the freedom to the wife? No.
We should not blame josh for that, because josh is also doing he's best to protect their side. That is the purpose of this debate, to discuss certain things and to prove in which they stand (Pros and Cons) 🥂
yeah pero dapat hindi niya cinucut off si norlie ang informal ng debate paano sila magkakaintindihan kung binabara niya i mean nagsasalita agad siya kahit hindi pa tapos yung isang team, debate is not about fighting, purpose ng debate, discuss siya kung paano maachieve ung certain understanding, hindi sila masyado magkaintindihan dahil nagsisigawan and keeps cutting off each other, hindi purpose ng debate ang pang cucut off so yeah sana itinuro man lang sa kanila yung formal debate kasi hindi dapat sila magkakaintindihan if sabay-sabay magsasalita.
These high school students are intelligent. However, the execution of the debate was informal. The arguments are good but this should've been done formally.
34:38 i don't agree with what she said na "short term remedy" lang ang divorce. ang short term remedy ay ang napakulong mo nga pero paglabas niya ng kulungan babalik parin ito sakanyang asawa dahil hindi pa sila hiwalay. hindi napawalang bisa ang kasal. putting the abuser to jail wasn't a complete solution, it gave the victim and children a short term break from the abuse. norlie did it better.
H'wag nating hayaan na magtiis at patuloy na masaktan yung mga taong nagiging dehado dahil sa palpak na relasyon. Tama yung sinabi nila na yung bata yung pinakamaaapektuhan. Mas magiging malala yung epekto nung mga nakikita nung bata na pag-aaway ng magulang nya. Pwede ring magawa nung batang yon sa ibang bata yung mga nakikita nya katulad ng pananakit (kung meron man). Yes to divorce!
Naiisip mo rin ba na abusado ang mga tao sa freedom nila? At kapag naging legal ito. Kawawa ang mga babae. Dahil paniguradong ang pinaka malakas na reason kung bakit ka papayagan na mag divorce ay "pananakit". Baka kapag nananawa na yung partner mo sayo bugbugin kaniya para lang mapayagang kumawala? Also hindi na mag iisip ng seryoso or magdedesisyon ng talagang pinag isipan bago ka operan ng pagpapakasal. Kasi magiging trial and error nalang to.The "PAPAKASALAN KO TO PARA MAKUHA KO YUNG GUSTO KO SA KANYA" kapag di ko na gusto mag file na lang ng divorce. Gusto niyo yun? Atleast kung di ilelegal to mas malaki assurance na seryoso ag partner mo dahil pinag isipan. Kung hindi mag work edi mag hiwalay na lang kayo. Tutal para sainyo di ganun kaimportante nang papel diba? Kaya nga gusto niyo ilegal e. Kawawa talaga ang babae dito promise. Sa dami ng babaero ngayon sila ang mga halimaw nag mag te take advantage nito. Ngayon pa nga lang na legal yung divorce may cheating na what more if may divorce. Wala ng halaga ang kasal pag ganun. Kasi para na lang kayong mag gf/bf na may kasulatan. Kaya No to divorce
Divorce is a complicating topic but it can turn your someone's life uphill because if you cant deal with your partner and the same goes for him, you'll claim a divorce agreement right? It is not that easy to divorce with someone that you LOVED but HATRED will remain if you dont do anything right? Make a move, divorce team did it better
Oregon-Oxford debate format na lang sana ginamit. Para mas organized ang speech, and rebuttals. Sa debate na 'to, hindi pa tapos ang isang debater, nagsasalita na kaagad 'yong opponent. Hindi na na-explain nang enough, and maayos ang argument.
34:30 Bat ipapakulong mo lang, magfile na rin ng divorce, what's the point of the marriage contract if nasa kulungan naman na ung partner mo. It will just hinder you to start anew, remember may limitations ka if married ka parin.
I think it's just not sa loob lang ng family natututo ang mga anak. Nakadipende rin sa mga friends and environment ang ugali and habits and influence na napipick up ng mga bata. Yung ibang mga bata nga, kahit complete family tapos naaalagaan naman ng maayos, eh nagrerebelde at/o nagiging masama pa rin. Ikaw? Ba't ka ganyan? Dahil lang ba sa pamilya mo, o dahil din sa mga taong nakilala mo?
Sumasang ayon ako di na dapat natin pagdusahin ang isang pamilyang nagtitiis na buoin ulit ito. Pero tama din ang sinabi nang kabilang panig na mawawalan ng bisa ng kasal, basbas ng simbahan at ng ating Panginoon kung paghihiwalayin ang isang pamilya. Siguro pwedeng humanap ng ibang paraan upang maayos ang ganitong uri ng problema at mas bigyan itong pansin dahil kawawa ang mga batang naapektuhan ng ganitong klaseng problema.
30:27 You just said that you do not appeal to global audiences pero karamihan ng "researches" and "studies" mo galing sa ibang bansa which is part of the "global audience" -_-
Thinking about family harmony as one of the reasons why divorce shouldn't be implemented is complete bullshit. If you're thinking about the child, then would you rather show them how abusive and problematic your family is and grow up in that kind of environment? Based from experience, it is much better to grow up with separated parents than grow up in a toxic environment. When my mom was dealing with my dad's alcoholism and abuse, I couldn't fathom how could she never leave that man. All she said was that gusto nya lumaki kaming kumpleto. Fvck that reasoning, no one wants to grow up in a complete toxic, abusive and problematic family. And if it is all about the word of God and the sanctity of marriage, can you still consider it holy if ang actions naman ng mag asawa ay against sa concept ng marriage? Cheating? Abuse? Toxicity?
10:13 Well this is one of the reasons bakit need ng divorce. Imagine being tied up with someone for liefe na ganyan yung problem nyo. It might look petty at first pero try mo iexperience yan for the rest of you life. It's HELL. Sa ibang tao na lang kung hindi kayo same ng "personality" at hindi din kayo nagkakasundo ayaw mong gawing FRIENDS diba? what more yung Partner for life pa.
Debate is sharing knowledge and not argument to the point na mag eend sa fight. Pinag aaway lang yung mga student dito dahil hindi maganda ang pamamalakad ng debate.
Pro Divorce did best. Pero marami akong points na gusto kong marinig na hindi ko narinig. Like these: • Staying in toxic relationships are worse for the children than getting divorced. When children are exposed to abuse in their household, they tend to be abusive to their future relationships as the Anti-Divorce, kung ano ang nakikita ng mga bata ay yun ang iniisip nilang tama. They'll think these acts are fine dahil nahahayaan lang. It could also end up to the children standing up for their abused parent which puts them to greater risk. And hindi mo lang basta maiva-VAWC agad yan. Much better kung i-divorce muna and distance yourself to the abuser before filing VAWC kasi pwedeng magkaroon ng situation na gagawing "hostage" ang mga anak para idismiss ang kaso na yun.
34:13 This repetitive argument is senseless. You can file for divorce and file for VAWC at the same time. :D At kapag nanatilit kayong magkasama sa isang bubong mas malaki ang chance na mabugbog ka pa ulet compare sa hindi na kayo magkasama. It will drastically lessen the probability based on the "study of common sense" :D
why would you let something more abusive happen to yourself when you know yourself that you have the power to end it?and if you say that the best way to solve it is by bringing it to court and put the abuser to jail?by doing so,you wont fully achieve the freedom you wanted,correct me if I’m wrong but even tho your partner is in jail your marriage is still valid right?which means u can’t get married by someone else now if we talk about housewives who want to get divorced but isn’t financially capable of doing so?first i think Josh was the one to say this i can’t really tell the exact words but I think what he meant was that how can you sustain and support the life of your children if you’re just a housewife(you can freely correct me if im wrong),so my respond to that is even if youre a just a housewife it doesnt mean that youre not capable of working or make a living to be able to sustain and support your children,next is that if ever youre gonna whose gonna be the one to look after your childrens?well as long as u still have someone to trust then you can entrust(for example;relative,friends) the children to them. and lastly I would like to ask you guys Are you guys willing to watch your mom,siblings(if you have some) suffer not just physically but also mentally and emotionally just to keep the so called sanctity of marriage?is this sanctity thing much more important than what youre enduring?are you willing to endure so much pain just to keep the sanctity of your marriage?now lets go take the childs pov if your parents is always fighting and hurting each other,will you let them get divorce?or will you just keep watching and let them torment each other
Affirmative side used personal Attack against the opposing side, Which is not good for a debate. I've been through this before when I was in Sr high as well. Afterthought Yun ng titser nmin na I avoid Yung Ad hominem. Hahahha but its okay you play your part genuinely. BTW, pa shout out po Kuya Sky. Im a fan po. 💕💕💕
The against side said that the children would be greatly affected when their parents got Divorced but, wouldn't there be a more negative effect on the child specially in terms of psychological matter if the children live in a house where there is always fighting? when Parents got devorce, yes we can't deny the fact that there is a chance that those children will also have a devorce in the future but, if a child is exposed in so much fighting in the house may it be through words, or physical assault, there is also chance that the child will be violent towards other child at school.
Divorce is depends of the situation, if the situation is not worst or toxic to children then no to divorce. But counteract by that , divorce should be chosen as the last option
Oh em gee. Are we having a rap session? Lol. Why do high schoolers tend to shout in debate? Keep calm and be relax. As to Josh, don’t butt in while the speaker is speaking. G na g si koya. Use the Oxford Debate Style para mas maayos. Napakagulo geez
May mga relasyon at pagsasama sa buhay mag-asawa na hindi na talaga pwede. Physical, Mental, Emotional at Spiritual ang apektado for both magpartner at sa mga anak nila because of living with disfunctional relationship or family. Even buhay nila nakasalalay lalo na kapag abusive ang partner. My mga nakapaloob nman na criterias at kino-conduct na further investigation kung pweding i-divorce. Ung epekto sa bata ng divorce ay pwedeng matulungan sa pamamagitan ng support system ng magulang at mga kamag-anak at eventually maiintindihan at makaka cope up din sila rather than living the whole family sa isang sitwasyon na magulo, di na kaya pang ayusin pa at ikakapahamak pa nila. So, Yes to divorce.
32:15 doesn't really answer the question. the question is whether you would still continue a dysfunctional relationship, which involves physical, emotional, and mental abuse. ang sagot ng negative side is you can file a case instead of divorcing your partner. so nasaan ang answer dito? meaning they agree to just continue the relationship even though, yes, makukulong ang partner nila? ibig sabihin may babalikan pa yung partner nila? it's very illogical and contrary sa argument nila about sa sanctity of a marriage.
Im confusedt si Josh ba yung babae? HAHAHAHA kasi nakikita ko lang na nagiging objective and yung mayroong attitude sa isang debate is that girl without glasses lol the guy is not savage nor a good speaker, he's literally being a jerk.
@@omaeirmacabato378 you can see that its a debate and may proper etiquette na sinusunod pero ginawa na nilang face to face, not to mention them not being a prof when they're debating right in front of their schoolmates and teacher. I called the boy a jerk kasi the way he handle those questions and answer is may pa attitude like bro chill it ain't that deep tas di pa pinapatapos kabilang party magsalita sumasapaw na kaya tuloy di na cocoomplete yung statement nila na gusto iparating
@@omaeirmacabato378 a debate is a debate di mo yan ma la "lang" yan edi sana di balang sila nag debate kung ganyan lang naman ang gagawin, samin nga ket sa classroom very strict na sa whole school pa kaya. Not to mention na ine- air sa mainstream platform.
@@omaeirmacabato378 dun naman sa wala la sila masyadong experience then they should've pick yung more deserving sa spot na yan or could've oriented them first bago sila isabak sa harapan ng maraming tao plus sa camera
Yes to divorce pra sa kaatusan ng mga naghiwalay..mali term niyo gustong maghihiwalay..ayusin niyo words niyo mga mag asawang matagal ng naghihiwalay maayos na.
I totally agree for devorce bill in the Philippines una sa lahat hindi naman para sa maaus na familya yan para yan sa mga Dina pwede mag sama or dina kayang ayusin pa desevere a seconds chance ika nga nila sa mga ayaw sa mga maayos ang family nyu good for them so di nila kailangan pano naman ung mga my gusto or di maayos na pamilya
The topic was good however their way of debating was so informal. Debate is the art of persuasion but not in the way of shouting. Once you shout, your listener or opponent will struggle to process what you say rationally.
33:40 Sabihin nating baliktad naman, paano kung babae naman ang nangaabuso sa relationship? Papaano mo yon dadalhin sa korte? mayroong bang batas na domestic violence against men?
Medyo nakakainis yung iba sa kanila na sabat nang sabat HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH di ko marinig ng maayos yung sinasabi nila at nacu-cut off Pero okay lang masaya naman panoorin HAHAHAHHAH sana ganto din debate namin bukas
Ganda po nang topic tungkol sa debate nato. but i actually don po ako kampi sa no to Divorce. why? first and most of all nagkaroon ng kasal, nag sumpa hindi lng sa harap pari at mga tao kundi sa harap ng ating Dios, at nangakong sa hirap mn at Ginhawa mananatiling magmamahalan. ngayon nag karoon na ng pamilya dahil tapos na ang kasal. so kapag nag karroon ng divorce ano pang silbi na nag kasal kayo at na ngako kng mapapako din pala diba po pangit tignan lalo na my mga kabataan.
May batas na po tayo na kung saan, ang opinyon ng simbahan ay hindi makaka-apekto sa batas ng gobyerno. So, invalid po o hindi tatanggapin ang argument niyo:)
