Except reform and conservative "converts" aren't Jews. Only one who accepts the mitzvot before an Orthodox (Torah observant) Beit Din can be a valid convert.
A Jew who does not accept a convert is a Jew and knows his or her's Torah. You have no right saying otherwise. If he or she is born to a Jewish mother or had a halakhic, Orthodox conversion, then they are Jewish.
@@cxarhomell5867 Orthodox Jews problems aren’t with Reform Jewish converts. Their problem is with reform and conservative movements as a whole. When you invalidate reform or conservative converts, you invalidate 90% of Jews who aren’t part of the small minority of Orthodox.
@@cxarhomell5867 I wonder what hashem thinks of a Jew who invalidates 90% of their brethren. Sounds like a type of thing that will take a full 12 months to wash out of your soul
@@jordansam I understand what you're saying, but the converts who join the movements will be unable to have their conversions accepted by the wider Orthodox Jewish community. Also, their converts do not count for 90% of the entire religious Jewish community, that would go to the Orthodox Jews, mainly in the Hassidim and the Haredim who are fortunately growing verily in size.
@@jordansam I wouldn't know, but to see that their conversions wouldn't be accepted by Orthodox beis din across the globe tells me one thing about their conversions, at least. My soul has already been washed, and I complete the necessities that I need to do daily as apart of my routine and my religious journey and davening.
Come on we need more Jewish and whoever convert in any Jewish nomination is a Jew and has to right to immigrate to Israel as citizen of Israel and protect our country
Not surprising coming from a Zionist. It’s not about religion anymore it’s about fitting the governments agenda of the state of Israel. Complete disrespect to the Torah original teaching.
@@goldengun9970 Yes and I took that commitment seriously when I converted I don't know what they teach at a reform but I do know what pulled me to convert so stop judging one's heart and be a light to the nations. Converting is a decision that was very easy once I started reading the Torah and I did not really converted since I had no religion before. So thank you for all your encouragements and Shalom to you all.
@@danieleprince1200 conservative rabbis dont properly follow the law so if u try to conservative conversion it doesn't count. There isnt just trying to be a light ontu the nations or taking stuff to heart. U have to follow and accept the 613 laws. That is literally what conversion is. Accepting the 613 laws. Conservatives think u can pick and choose laws to suit them. Do it orthodox and it will be real.
@@aquariusfriar "Orthodox trolls" How would the Orthodox community, a highly disciplined and organized community, troll? Please, explain further. I'm convinced.
Thank G-d if g-d didn't support the reform movement and conservative movement then why did Israel make a ruling that they are allowed. G-d is showing that he is ok with it listen to him people.
let's see orthodox / reform issue from another angle if on the one hand orthodox Judaism is stranded somewhere in the past & find itself misfit in the modern world. on the otherhand Reform movement is itself in a fix, how to reform Judaism, how to separate genuine & relevant laws of Torah from rituals, traditions & opinions of this & that. In rabbinic Judaism whatever the rabbi say is the final authority, that's the oral law, that's the authority above the scripture. personally I myself think that reform is long overdue but the million dollar question is who has the authority or who is fit to do this?
Skid Row Los Angeles California 🇺🇲Thank you Officer Joseph. Your work is very much appreciated.🙏 I am finding in my work with just one homeless person, there are endless, obstacles and hurtles, traps that actually work to create homeless a "comfort zone". As I begin to exercise increasing power to extract him from the homeless comfort zone, and reform him, the community begins to Counter-Reformation tactics to keep him in that homeless comfort zone. He himself concurs that he belongs there. I am not trying to invade Skid Row to become one of the population there.Yet, Ironically this seems to be the aim of the state in maintaining Skid Row, not to extract the homeless from Skid Row and reform him, and give him his life back, but instead to draw me in like a fish on the fisherman's hook, and confirm me, and convert me to be one like everyone else who regard Skid Row as their "comfort zone," The only thing is, I am extremely uncomfortable with that hidden agenda because it is fascist. So, now that I know what's up. I will do my advocacy from remote and discret distance. Sincerely, gospelgirl Ruth Goldberg-Ives Los Angeles, CA
This should anger the palastinians but is also an oppurtunity for them to convert. The state of israel was created for jews and now none jews who simply reform convert will have ful citizenship while palastinians in gaza or west bank cant freely come into jaffa or haifa. I would say the palastinians have more moral rights to israel then a reform jew. But not to a actual jew
Has nothing to do with monopoly and politics. It has to do with following the religion and traditions of our forefathers, and more importantly the Torah’s commandment.
@@AsherSolomon777 convertering to reform Judaism, means nothing. It has no connection to the Torah and ti the believe. You can be an atheist and convert to reform. That is ballcrap
@@AsherSolomon777 a reform jew basically believes that he doesn’t need to follow any Jewish law and commandments to be Jewish, he’s basically the same as a Christian except he doesn’t believe Jesus was the messiah
The Supreme Court has no authority to change the law on who is a Jew. Also, Reform is a movement of Western secular people with a soft spot for Jewish tradition. Many of them are Jews, and the vast majority are at least descended from Jews, but they don't believe that Jews are a nation and they can hardly be called a religion when they basically say that the Torah was invented by a wise philosopher who was ahead of his time but is now outdated and aren't sure if G-d exists. So what exactly do those who do a Reform conversion convert to? It's not to the Jewish nation because they don't believe Jews are a nation (and changing the nationality is what Jewish conversion is all about), but it's also not to the Jewish religion because the Reform don't believe in it. All they are doing is joining the Reform movement.
The majority of Reform Jews may be genetic ancestors of Jewish people, but they have so much intermarriage with non-Jews that from the perspective of Jewish law technically non of them would qualify as actually being Jewish according to Judaism.
To be clear, I am not a Jew. I have found myself infatuated with and very interested in Judaism and the history of the Jews for many years now. I’ve recently began to wonder if I was meant to follow this path for good reason. So, long story short, I’ve decided to seek conversion. I don’t know how I feel about this. A person could spend a lifetime studying scripture and Jewish tradition and still not know everything. I feel I’ve only just scraped the surface myself. At this point it seems to me that a person should make a full Orthodox conversion if they are serious about being Jewish. This is what I plan to do. Regardless of how you feel about other religions, is a Christian really a Christian if he or she does not believe in the divinity of Jesus? Yet there are people who call themselves Christian who do NOT. Can you be Muslim if you do not believe Muhammad was the “seal of the prophets”? Yet there are some sects which call themselves Muslim who do NOT. From what I know of Reform Judaism especially, it is very far from what the scriptures tell us in many cases. If you’re not serious about being Jewish, then why be Jewish at all?
If by scripture you mean the Written Torah - then you are wrong. All Jews have a right to interpret the meaning of the 613 Mitzvah as they please, No Jew is bound to the interpretation in the Talmud. Show me where that appears in the Written Torah. I was born a Jew and went to Hebrew School for nine years studied through the Mishna. Read the opinions therein - There is little agreement as to what they mean. Read the Dead Sea Scrolls - in there the Cohanim have. Some rather unkind words abut the Fence Around The Torah. Reform Jews are just as Jewish as the Orthodox, and I would argue more so than Satmar.
The reason this is a bad idea is reform and conservative Judaism mostly convert people who are not serious and only want the title of Jewish rather than actually abiding by Torah laws. This will inevitably fill Israel with more liberal minded people which ultimately is the plan since the Liberals are looking for as many votes as they can get.
I converted to Reform…it wasn’t easy (2.5 years of study) and I follow all of the Mitzvotim with strict adherence i.e eating kosher, wearing tzitzit, sanctifying Shabbat, prayer, placing mezuzah on my doorpost, teaching my children. I was even asked by the beit din if I wouldn’t fit in more with a conservative or orthodox conversion. I chose Reform because that is where I was directed by G-d. Too many signs pointed me toward Reform and I for one am excited for the change in legislation.
@@dadasaurusrex That's a waste, then. Orthodox Judaism gives you a lot of more information and a good itroduction to Judaism. You csn follow everything that is kosher, yet still not follow a genuine path of traditional law.
@Diego Oliveira do you really believe a bunch of white people are the original people of that land 🤔really the people of God there not there thieves that land is stolen just like that land there language and religion
John 3:3 And Jesus said unto him; Verily Verily I say unto you; Except a man be born again; he cannot see the Kingdom of God Ephesians 4:23 And be renewed in the Spirit of your mind John 14:6 And Jesus said unto him; I am the Way the Truth and the Life No man comes unto the Father but by me Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed and heirs according to the Promise Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit; after the traditions of men; after the rudiments of the world; And not after Christ John 8:58 Truly I tell you Before Abraham was; I Am Eph4-5 One Lord One Faith One Baptism There is No Interfaith Religion.. There is One Faith.. Romans 10:17 So then Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God
@@אברהםבןרביב my Reform movement doesn’t worship a man as God. Also since you’re so “orthodox” what are you doing on social media during Shabbes? And I’m not the one using derogatory terms for other expressions of Judaism. You are. So how does that make you look claiming to be the only valid path and attacking fellow yids?
@@christo-chaney I did not say that, I said that your movement supports the belief that the Torah originated from a very smart philosopher, which is already a lie produced by people who want to "preserve" Judaism. I'm Orthodox but I spend time in private during my Shabbos. To say a movement is (deformed) is not derogatory, it's accurate seeing what ignorance they hold and how they misinterpret the Torah. They don't even hold a proper Beit Din and you expect me to take the reform movement seriously? No. Orthodox and Halakhic Judaism are both very authentic and genuine paths in Judaism. The Chief Rabbinate of Israel confirms this.
