Yes, gentlemen, and I enjoyed it as well :) Thank you for another reason to make time to read some more Eusebius! If I may respond as a practicing Christian - but not _for_ all practicing Christians - the part about, "ok, but why still this 'blood magic' thing in 2023?" is a real question which was asked at a study group I attend, just a few meetings ago. While I don't recall the exact answer I gave, I think I began by saying that it's the sort of thing that can be viewed from at least a few different perspectives. On the practical level - and as you point out - there was a history of literal blood sacrifices which took place up until the time of Christianity, and this had - at least at some time - included human blood sacrifice. As mythicists, I'm sure I don't need to explain to you the "coincidence" that it is that this alternative sacrifice shows up around the time of the end of the 2nd Temple. And certainly I think most would agree that it's far better that the blood we spill now is communion wine! Of course, someone can say, "but why even do it all? Do we really think the heavens would rain down on us until the earth was flooded if the Church ended the practice of Holy Communion." Well, no, we don't (I hope!). But the idea behind the sacrifice - of one taking on the sins of all - is not founded on nothing. When someone sins - when they do a wrong - someone ends up "paying the consequence" for it, and it is not necessarily the person who committed the wrong. When we are doing Christianity best - when we are truly being disciples of Jesus - we are sharing in the work of His offices of king, prophet, and priest. This is to say that sharing in the work of His kingship, we fix our hands, hearts, and minds on what is best for His subjects. Sharing in the work of His prophecy, we fix our hands, hearts, and minds on witnessing on what is His will. And sharing in the work of His priesthood, we fix our hands, hearts, and minds on sacrificing for the sake of the deficiencies that remain. Ultimately, then, we must - as He says Himself - take up our own crosses, and follow Him. Of course, if it isn't obvious, I am not speaking as a "one and done" variety of self-identified Christian, but as someone who sought out and was received into full communion with the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, which most certainly continues to value our martyrs and our martyrdom. What I find odd, is to hear you speak as if this is peculiar to Christianity. What is the point of a "justice" system condemning people - all of whom, I would guess, are the way they are as a result of some trauma response? Isn't the logic virtually identical in the sense that human blood is spilled - not because it is literally unavoidable, but because some have an irrational belief that making these human sacrifices (to the "Almighty" State?) will bring about some public benefit? And what of war? Of course, social justice Catholics are against such barbarism which the supersufficient sacrifice of our Lord rendered unneeded centuries ago. Just something to think on, maybe.
@@MarcillaSmithI think they’d also feel the justice system needs lots of reforming so it’s not like they’re only pointing at Christianity. But this belief in a magical blood sacrifice to save those in the justice system has perpetuated the lack of reform whereas social workers and psychologists figured out how much trauma is involved in conditioning maladaptive thinking patterns that get a them into the system. Eventually the magic blood sacrifice of Jesus needs to become more like a philosophical tool rather than a literal belief in order to help us evolve to the next level.
This is why, especially when talking with Christians, I always refer to their God as the "Canaanite Highlander Wargod" and holy communion as "ritual cannibalism," prophesying as "soothsaying", etc. It's easy to dress-up these traditions but when you call them by their most precise definitions possible, you see them for what they really are. The perpetuation of archaic and primitive dogma.
You know I came to the very same conclusiones just as you described an it is amazing to find another person that share the same thoughts as I have I find the concept of SACRIFICE an the actual practice as a savage reality of the past but to find people today that still glorified this act and hold it as the pinacle of their faith an the fundación of their faith those people are no better than those beast of prey who used to SACRIFICE their first BORN to the DEMON they were worshipping as foe the sootthsayers I ihave always stated that they were the sorceres always pronounsing evil againts other people but people today worship such characters as iconos of moral rectitud when in fact they were plain old sorcerers an for hire to pronounse courses against others so glad again that you have done your own research have have done your own thinking an find the sad truth but productive truth.
I believe you are missing a bit of the depth of some of these rituals. Jesus isn't just a guy, according to some of the scriptures these people take as canon, he is God. He is the Word. Communion is about sharing the body (not meat) and blood of Christ. Getting back something that Adam and Eve lost, staying united and in comunion through God's latest gift. Also it's never been anything else then bread and wine (even in the bible), so "body and blood" are clearly metaphorical. And the glorification of the crucifiction is not about human sacrifice. It's, at least to me, a clear coping mechanism to deal with the loss of a prophet.
@@sangwaraumooh it's just a metaphor for ritual canniblism. That's better. It's a magick ritual dressed up so they could otherize and thereby condemn magic that's not in your system. So the crucifiction wasn't a blood magick sacrifice to forgive your sins? Because it's pretty clearly stated that his death was supposed to accomplish something.
Song in church I sang as a little girl:. " Oh there is Power, Power, wonder working power, in the blood (in the blood) of the lamb.....' (in the precious blood of the lamb..."). Creepy!
@@jonathanyoung8109 at the time it all felt so loving and powerful (also the fear of hell) but analyzing it afterwards it becomes very clear why the religion continues to grow and sustain. They were very smart with how they wove all the different psychological elements into the indoctrination.
These jokers in shorts are not going to get you to heaven. Jesus says “ my sheep know my voice” the ones who follow other things will not go to heaven. It isn’t too late. Follow Christ not these skateboarders.
@@gloriousgloria1000Wow, you're really doing God's work aren't you? Condeming people to hell is something that religious people really seem to enjoy. It's a bit sadist, if you ask me. Sometimes I can't believe I used to be the same way. That's the power of brainwashing and indoctrination... I finally asked God to show me the truth after the Bible left me confused by all the contradictions and I got exactly what I asked for. The truth I received is exponentially more beautiful than anything I learned from Christianity and I'm glad I questioned what I had been taught asked to be shown the truth. I found the kingdom of God exactly where Jesus said it could be found.
I just absolutely love these two dudes. Intelligent, articulate, truth seeking, open minded, well read, and seasoned with a dash of handsomeness. What more could I ask for? I could literally watch the two of you hanging out all week long.
What point are you trying to make with all your bible quotes. I have read the damn book you know !!!! Cover to cover, 3 times. Have you? @@ring-tone278
Exactly 💯%. My very last sermon I gave before I had a profound dream where God told me I had no business preaching on the blood of another human (Jesus Christ) in order to gain salvation. I immediately stopped preparing sermons and I actually stopped preaching, that was my last attempt at trying to convince others to dedicate their lives to the worship of another human being, to gain entry into heaven or not, I discovered that I was promoting the same very things that the Satanist do, they worship blood and I found a very strong, STRONG connection between other religions that Christianity is supposedly against, but practice it in their every day beliefs. So I quit being a Christian, they were some of the nastiest people I'd ever been apart of. And now I have 1.25k subs that believe in the blood of Jesus Christ and I'm upcreek and Definitely without a paddle, but, I have a lifeline, Im.not without a power greater than I, because I've been able to stay sober, live a fantastic life and I'm now in the process of trying to retrain my brain to accept other spiritual beliefs and the closest thing I can find is Hinduism and the Bhagavad-Gita has been so eye opening and when I compare it to the texts of the Bible I see same corollary truths, but I don't know where to go, but straight to God, pass by all the Lords and other polytheistic religions and find a connection to God, but learn through and by some of these religious texts that are so enlightening.
I made this revelation within the past few days and shared this among other revelations regarding the impact of Greek mythology on the Christian faith with my husband but now I’m being accused of denying Jesus Christ. Please help me make this make sense 🤦🏽♀️
I love this kind of free flowing discussion that draws on so many different specialties and pulls them together into the bigger picture. Plus, it is great that you two do not talk down to people and offer understandable explanations for new terminology so everyone can learn and be a part of the discussion. You guys make it fun and exciting to all these interconnected fields of study.
...and wouldn't this very Universe needs it architect?!? Christianism is fucked up mythology like any other (man-made) religion, ok, but Deism does make sense if you stop to thinking about how did the atoms and everything else came to existence in the first place, just saying.
I’m so glad that I found this channel. You all are making plain what I have been researching for the past several years. How then can I now share this with loved ones who will accuse me of blasphemy and of denying the “Diety” of Jesus Christ? I am also an Ordained Minister which makes matters worse!
Kind of fun to listen to you two talk, almost a shared language and thought pattern. You are on to something and making all kinds of connections, but this discussion could almost be broken up with mini videos to finish the sentences that were cut off. Haha 😂 it’s obvious you both know what you’re talking about but it was kind of hard to learn from this conversation. love this channel!
Great discussion his find about El sacrificing his own son is huge!!! Also in the Bible the Israelites go up against the moabites and loose after the king sacrifices his son to his sun god.
@@lordhriley no he sacrificed him to shamesh or how ever you spell the sun gods name Camesh and the Israelites were run off. The scripture is vague what happen to the Israelites trying to hide their defeat but the stone Stella makes it more clear. Also their referred to as the house of Omri. The nation of “Israel”is very hard to find mentioned before 1948.
@@lordhriley Moab = water father (Aquarius) like in the rainy season of winter. Typically this is the four sons of Shem/Pluto aka Sagittarius thru Pisces. The Moabites = the four winter months, rising up early in the morning (at the spring equinox), and seeing the Sun shining upon the water, which appeared red, said: "This is blood, and the kings have surely smitten one another." They were right, for the sacred year had just ended. The zodiac wheel (12 signs, months, tribes) never stops turning.
Fascinating convo, cheers boys. It’s fabulous to see how you both have evolved over the past few years, to a point where you can hold your own when you’re in *very* esteemed and academic company. You both deserve what you’ve built here on Utube.
Music on this was a lot better than some of your other vids. Sometimes its so intense and loud its hard to focus on what youre actually saying. This was perfect
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 📜 Introduction to the conversation - The discussion begins with an exploration of Old Testament motifs and the connection between Abraham's sacrifice and Jesus. 01:12 🐑 The Myth of Abraham's Sacrifice - Abraham's sacrifice of Isaac is discussed, drawing parallels between Isaac's story and Jesus, highlighting motifs like carrying wood and the Lamb of God. 02:09 🌍 Connecting Myths Across Cultures - The conversation delves into the connections between myths from different cultures, including Greek, Babylonian, and Phoenician myths, emphasizing the interconnectedness of ancient worldviews. 04:12 🗺️ The Myth of the Tower of Babel -The discussion explores the Tower of Babel myth and its potential connection to ancient structures, suggesting that the myth is rooted in historical sites. 06:29 📚 Usages of Ancient Texts - Usages of ancient texts, including citations by Eusebius, in the context of connecting myths and historical narratives to Jesus and Christianity are discussed. 11:10 📖 The Phoenician History and Sacrifice of an Only Begotten Son - A deep dive into the Phoenician history mentioning the sacrifice of an only begotten son and its correlation with elements in the Bible, such as circumcision. 15:22 🪄 Correlation with Greek Mythology - The discussion draws parallels between elements of Phoenician and Greek mythology, particularly the role of Kronos/Saturn, in the context of religious and mythological connections. 20:08 📚 Commentary by Eusebius - Eusebius' commentary on the Phoenician history and the significance of this ancient text in the preparation of the Gospel is explained. 21:14 📜 Theology of the Phoenicians and Ancient Sacrificial Practices - The Phoenician theology is discussed, indicating it contains earlier elements than many other myths. - There's a connection drawn between the Phoenician's theology and the concept of the only begotten son being sacrificed. - The discussion touches on ancient human sacrifice and its historical context. 25:17 🩸 Primitive Beliefs in Sacrificing Humans - The conversation delves into the historical acceptance of human sacrifice and how it was perceived as a way to please the gods. - The video highlights examples of human sacrifices from different cultures, including Greek and biblical narratives. - It raises questions about the ethical and modern perception of such beliefs and practices. 34:13 🤔 Evolution of Superstition and Rationalism - The section discusses the evolution of beliefs and the transition from superstitious practices to more rational thinking. - It mentions how early Christian thought incorporated rationalism while retaining elements of martyrdom. - There's a comparison with ancient philosophers like Socrates, Aristotle, and Zoroaster, who also pushed back against superstitious beliefs and rituals. Made with HARPA AI
"i didn't mean to cut you off"... hahaha both of you are captain cut off... both had so much to say.... so many directions... so many "this must be prefaced with this".... one of your best culminations of years and years of historical, mythological, religious studies. such a journey you took us on.... wow excellent excellent....
original Prometheus In Greek mythology, Prometheus (/prəˈmiːθiəs/; Ancient Greek: Προμηθεύς, [promɛːtʰéu̯s], possibly meaning "forethought")[1] is sometimes referred to as the God of Fire.[2] Prometheus is best known for defying the Olympian gods by stealing fire from them and giving it to humanity in the form of technology, knowledge, and more generally, civilization. In some versions of the myth, he is also credited with the creation of humanity from clay.[3] Prometheus is known for his intelligence and for being a champion of mankind,[4] and is also generally seen as the author of the human arts and sciences.[5] He is sometimes presented as the father of Deucalion, the hero of the flood story.[6][7][8] The punishment of Prometheus for stealing fire from Olympus and giving it to humans is a subject of both ancient and modern culture. Zeus, king of the Olympian gods, condemned Prometheus to eternal torment for his transgression. Prometheus was bound to a rock, and an eagle-the emblem of Zeus-was sent to eat his liver (in ancient Greece, the liver was thought to be the seat of human emotions). His liver would then grow back overnight, only to be eaten again the next day in an ongoing cycle. According to several major versions of the myth, most notably that of Hesiod, Prometheus was eventually freed by the hero Heracles.[9][10] In yet more symbolism, the struggle of Prometheus is located by some at Mount Elbrus or at Mount Kazbek, two volcanic promontories in the Caucasus Mountains beyond which for the ancient Greeks lay the realm of the barbarii.[11] The Flood: Deucalion and Pyrrha | Greek Mythology The son of the immortal Titan Prometheus, Deucalion is warned by his father of the coming Bronze Age-ending flood, and he builds a small boat to carry him and his cousin-wife Pyrrha, the daughter of Prometheus' brother Epimetheus and Pandora to safety
Just from the intro I want to warn you guys about reading too much into people talking to statues “think the statues are god.” Because I strongly doubt that they thought the statute was god, even the ones who were genuine believers in the religion were probably only using them symbolically. Edit: this is a great episode, I love seeing you two together, you two are always hungry for more information, and I can relate to that mindset SO much! Much love to you both and keep up the excellent work. Stay safe my brothers.
3:12 Tower of Babel was likely a much latter addition from the Persian period, because the Ziggurat of Etemenanki means temple of the foundation of heaven and earth and the top of stairway the temple at the very top’s entrance is called “Ba Bel” or heaven’s gate. This thing was/is right outside of Babylon.
3:44 trust me, look into Etemenanki, this is exactly what you’re looking for and it was indeed the Persian period that it came from, it was rebuilt by Nebuchadnezzar II. The dude who destroyed Solomon’s temple and forced the Jews out of Israel, there were likely many Jewish slaves working on Etemenanki. It actually didn’t last nearly as long as it should have considering the time and manpower put into it. It was abandoned long before the Jews exile was ended by Cyrus. So this specific Ziggurat was in ruins already when the Jews were brought into Persia and then Nebuchadnezzar II used huge amounts of slave labor to rebuild the tower, with it collapsing again before Alexander got there.
4:57 the Hittites are some of my absolute favorites, they’re incredibly important in the actual history of Israel, as are the Sintashta who are the Hyksos, they invented the spoked chariot wheel that enabled true war chariots. When the Hyksos got expelled from Egypt I believe they aligned themselves with the Hittites because of obviously related lineages, and at the battle of Kadesh the Hittites gain control of at least northern Canaan. Soon after this the Sea People incident happens, which is very poorly understood and the Phoenicians rise right around the same time. Well, there’s this wood in Lebanon called Lebanese Cedar, and it’s extremely important for the building of the Phoenician boats that could make long journeys. The Hittites gaining control over Canaan gave them access to this Lebanese Cedar and they combined with the Canaans to become the Sea People after the Assyrians pushed deep into Anatolia and the Hittites had to abandon Hattusa and their religious site right outside of the capital called Yazilikaya, which is one of the most incredible astronomically aligned sites of that era. There are obviously a LOT of other city states and tribes involved in the Sea People, the Dorians and the Mycenaeans and likely some groups from more north and west in mainland Europe because we have this settlement right around southern Austria that was abandoned right at the same time, so they’ likely went down south through Italy and there were Italian settlements along their route abandoned at the same time, so there was likely a huge warband from the entire route to the sea that was part of this event. Then there is Genetic and contextual evidence that suggest Sardinia participated as well as tribes from southern France and Spain. This is why the Phoenician city state network was made up of a wildly diverse grouping of peoples right off the bat and why they had far flung colonies before they even had Carthage. Like the English colony for the tin mining, and a southern Spanish “colony.” The sea peoples board look just like Mycenaean boats from before the event and Phoenician boats do too, the ram on the front that defined sea battles was established by this tradition of boat building and it started before the Sea People were even doing their thing together. The people of Canaan actually had a crazy long history of interactions and intermarrying with the Greeks WELL before the Hellenistic period.
9:01 the duking it out with the Pagans thing was such a short period for the Christians during the second century, before then it was the Jewish Rebels (which is what ACTUAL Jesus and his family and followers definitely were) who were getting persecuted and they continued to get persecuted for a long time, but after Constantine it’s the Roman Universal Religion doing the persecuting, including against other varieties of Christianity. Look what they do to the Aryan church, including their art in Theodoric’s cathedral in Northern Italy. Unjustinian was an AntiChrist.
Great conversation!!!! You two are coming to conclusions that will ultimately put Bible scholars and theologians out of business. It's beginning to look like religion and mythology are flip sides of the same coin!!😇
Religion an mythology it's one side the other side of the coin is politics I find it amazing that from beginning to end those so called holy books have nothing but politics in it.
If we start here, everything will make sense: Human beings are programmable creatures AND critical thinking is not naturally occurring to humans (it must be developed). Religion is an indoctrination framework, in which human beings are brought into the fold of humanity. Religion gives a people an origin story and a basic explanation of their world. This framework leads to the creation of one's paradigm. However, when critical thinking is not developed as part of the framework, religion is then believed as fact and becomes the paradigm. The lack of the development of critical thinking leads to erroneous programming and make humanity manipulable. These errors are generational and mutate, and the only way past these errors, is to remove the error's influence of future generations. For a certain people and their derivatives, child sacrifice, and other practices, were replaced with a "last sacrifice" in an attempt to implement a program patch, ie. Judaism v2.0. As I suspected, it is now clear to me, that Christians are Jews 2.0, they are Hellenized Jews. By Hellenized, I mean the injection of philosophy into the religious framework. However, the lack of critical thinking as part of the framework continues to lead us down a path in which the individual is ruled from without and not from within.
After just listening to a religo go on about how men have dominion over the earth, despite being a woman saying it, I started to think something similar to this. A few mins on some threads I began to see that dominon over the world was a poor substitute for dominon over our ownself. That and the realization that the biblical fruit might have been a fig and not an apple as that was what was handy to make clothes and remembering how Jesus cursed the fig tree (finally puting blame where it belongs?) puts the whole story in a type of 'stay tuned for the rest of the story' school of text. It is an apple to the greeks and a fig some others and its all just a metaphor... for what?
I agree that there’s a lot of interesting history, but if you’re walking in a close relationship with God filled with the Holy Spirit, then you couldn’t deny the Christian faith. There’s more to having faith or a religion than just logic and head knowledge. Heart knowledge trumps head knowledge because without faith it’s impossible to please God.
I just want to make a point that pre2000 BC we were in the age of Taurus, this is a time when agriculture ruled and I think worshipping blood came from this time because they put blood on the fields to increase fertility. 2000 before Christ was the age of Aries, the world became more obsessed with war, military, weapons and metal, Mars the planet of war rules Aries. Aries also marked the time we became monotheistic, the fight for one dominant ruler, it was the time of great empires emerging. Aries is the Ram so all beliefs in God related to sheep and lambs, shepherds and flocks. Aries is also the baby of the Zodiac the first one. Jesus brought in the age of Pisces, this is the last sign of the Zodiac, that's why Jesus is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. He was the last sacrificial lamb to mark the end of the age of Aries. Pisces is two fish, Jesus was a fisherman, the sea of Galilee he found his disciples fishing. Pisces rules spiritually, fantasy and the esoteric deep knowledge. Negatively is ruled lies, deceit and manipulation which we can all agree there has been a lot of that going on. We are now moving into age of Aquarius, the bringer of knowledge to all, the ruling planets bring space travel, technology and communication. The internet is a great example of the influence of this new age. I believe all people with have a higher understanding and we will be able to leave the Bible behind. I see it as a crutch or scaffolding that kept us up and held our conscience together over the last age until we reached a point of awareness where we can let go of the Bible and stand and walk by ourselves in our own divinity. Aquarius is the only sign that is beyond the planet, he is the messenger between man and God. Raising our frequency to connect and communication with divine energy/forces/entities. It's an exciting time but there is always those wanting to hold onto the past and are reluctant to change. Religion is dying, being controlled by another man's interpretation and ideology is ending. We are taking our sovereignty back and being the masters of our own lives. Viva la revolution. Thanks guys for all your hard work. Love you loads ❤
@@harveywabbit9541He was a made up character like 99% of the bible, Jesus is the sun moving through the zodiac annualy, thus why the christians have kept and done those rituals annualy, just as the sun moves through the zodiac. Seasons come and go, sun gives new life, sun "dies", on and on and on. If it wasn't for the "apocalypse" part, i don't think people would have kept as long onto christianity. It's all about the end of the age anyway.
These two are a joy to watch how they explain these correlations, like with Kronos and Abraham sacrificing their sons. This has been really helpful. The history of circumcision is a most ancient one, possibly dating to the Neolithic period when these myths would explain the process of agriculture and now with Cronus castrating Uranus, which led to the followers of these mysteries circumcising themselves. In such mysterious, initiates ceremoniously performed similar actions as depicted in their dying and rising myths. The chief male gods often lost their penis's in conflict with opposing gods, like the farthest back we go in recorded history, we discover that Osiris lost his after being defeated by Set. And in Hurrian mythology, we find that their god Kumarma bit off the junk of Anu, which is where we probably get the hellenized version from Philo saying that Kronos (Kumarma) cut off the junk of Uranus (Anu).
Nice to learn this, but this are not israelite /canaanite gods as the title suggested. but . . . but of course israelite gods are all 'taken' from other older traditions.
@@willempasterkamp862 you're spot on. Israel began around 930 BC or even later. The Mesha Stele of Ammon calls them Y'srl. That suggests that it began as the city state of Tel Jezreel which is nearby Phoenicia and probably had many of their migrants, probably called Yisreel at the time and that expanded over the rest and conquered the rest of the city states of southern Canaan around the 10th and 9th centuries BC to become Israel. The Jezreel Valley is a most fertile green land, and so the meaning of the name is "El will sow". Coincidentally, the early kings of Israel and all those dynasties from the 10th and 9th centuries come from Jezreel, that might be a clue of how southern Canaan became Israel.
@@ring-tone278 the title 'King of Kings' originates from the Assyrian Empire in 1233 BC used by the Assyrian king Tukulti-Ninurta and is continually used throughout later Scythian and Iranian empires such as the Parthian Empire and the Sassanid Empire. Israel was eventually formed in around 900 BC, possibly earlier or later given the only ancient accounts mentioning it around that time. There were no Israelites or Jewish kings called the 'King of Kings'. The Hebrew variety of this goes back to the Book of Deuteronomy written in around 600 BC and no doubt barrows this most heavenly anointed term of Yahweh and Yeshua from some Heathen Assyrians whom were a wicked kingdom and sworn enemies of Yahweh. It says in the Old Testament by Jeremiah himself "The Lord says, do not practice the ways of the Heathens, and do not be repulsed by the signs of Heaven as the Heathens are repulsed by them." So you really think an omniscient, all knowing, all powerful God would not know that he is using a Heathenistic term for himself? This is how you discover the truth. If you need a real potentially powerful God to have peace in your life, may I suggest a more fair, more ancient one like Lord Shiva or others from Vedic religion. Hell, study Buddhism. Anything but a false destructive cult. Of course this information was a matter of simply searching the internet for less than 2 minutes. You yourself could have very easily figured this out, and you can figure out much more historical truths about your religion. I have faith in you and I bid you a good'ay.
Excellent, thank you! These historical aspects are important to understand. It would be interesting to see you two engaging in a discussion on inner meanings of these mythologies. For instance, the pervasive motif of sacrifice at the foundation of order can be rendered psychological. Christ on the cross can represent sacrificing deluded self-identifications (just as spoken of in Buddhist philosophies) towarda a kind of awakening. It is fun to poke holes in literalism and historical nonse se, but the deeper issue is the wealth of existential meanings which are inevitably embedded in mythologies, regardless of the intent of the original authors. To see mythologies as cultures' collective dreams is every bit as insightful as studying one individual's dreams. To stop at "This is all primitive nonsense" is to miss out on a lot of understanding.
The Christian Savior (the Sun) is crucified in Egypt (sun falls below autumn equinox) and in Calvary (sun rises above the spring equinox). The crucifixion in Egypt marks the end of summer (light over darkness) and the crucifixion in Calvary marks the end of winter (darkness over light).
@@harveywabbit9541 Yes, of course all that too (ie, the macrocosmic rendering). But it is the microcosm, ie, the inner meanings--this is what I'm interested in.
None of it our "history" comes from the common man [human]. This is something none of us should forget. History, the "image" of reality historical experience is generated, stored, and published by an extremelely small portion of humanity.
Did you realize that "the Story" was a remake of a remake? Before Abraham almost sacrificed Isaac (rescued by the sudden appearance of the "new" Ram of Aries), Cronos (a man called Ilus or El by the Phoenicians) slayed his only-begotten son Jeoud/Yod to his father Anu/Ouranus in a burnt offering. It's in Sanchoniathon's History of the Phoenicians, written about the time Astarte the Sun was wearing the bull's horns of leadership. The story of the burnt offering was about the changing of the Ages. And Jupiter's trek to Orion in a time that Sirius or Betelgeus exploded in a periodic nova. The Hebrews, of course, were mistaken in placing the "historic" event at the beginning of Aries or Pisces. The Etruscans, Hindu and Ojuelans knew it happens four times a Precession. And since the vernal equinox has migrated 90 degrees (6 hours right ascension) since it happened last time (upon God's declaration "Let there be Light!" and the Rig Veda began with "Agni" meaning Fire), we should probably be concerned ... but for the fact that what passes for world leadership clearly intends a manmade version of the Apocalypse rather than leaving things up to God or the cosmic order.
If, as some of the ancients knew, that Ekpyrosis comes four times to a Precession. If, as they depicted, Jupiter is at Aries (the burnt offering) and Saturn at Capricorn (the wandering sacrifice). Then we have precious little time left in which to prepare for what comes. The stones show they expected a great flare, a meteor storm and pole shift. It was the death of Pisces (oft depicted as their God or Goddess). And it was time for humanity to begin again.@@whitemountainapache3297
In the Book "Ancient Fragments" it describes the " Sacrific of the First Begotten" to god of the Canaanites / Phoenicians. The King or leaders of the community would dress-up in Royal Garments their 1st born (stand ins could be used) son in times of extreme hardships or calamity and Sacrifice them to appease god and bring back his good favor.
I haven’t seen this but man is this title already getting me hooked. I just bought the Athiest Handbook vol 1. Pretty easy to read . I’ll be watching while at work for sure.
Isn't the prosperity gospel a sacrifice of your ability to invest in yourself and invest instead in a mega church, mormon temple or catholic cathedral?
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Hello, would you be interested in organizing a livestream with Bram Rawlings to discuss whether Jesus was a failed apocalyptic prophet or not? I believe it would be interesting to watch.
There could have been two reoccurent motives overlapping each other trough the sacrifice. Its not a coincidence that Abrams god intervened only "after" and "not before " Abram decided in his "heart" to sacrifice his son. The myth is conveying real sacrificial murder at one point in time that was replaced by a symbolic offering later on in time.
Great video, once again you guy are in the right direction, and the proof of what you guys are trying to say is shown in the Arabian pre-Islamic religions with the Arabian tribes coming together with the idols of god and his wife, they put them in the kaaba, a set from each tribe to show that they are all speaking about the same God and his wife, although each tribe had a different name for them, and different myths & legends of god and his wife. The Arabian religion shows exactly what the ancient world did, only because the Arabs were late to evolve due to the fact that they were secluded from the rest of the world until modern times. The kaaba has 360 idols showing the 180 arabian tribes and dialects. Put it all together and that is exactly what the rest of the world did at different stages and times in history.
Very interesting and animated discussion. One small point: The forces fighting as allies of the Byzantines did not flee because of a blood red Moon. When they saw that all was lost, the Greeks went back into the city to be with their families; the Genovese and Venetians went back to their ships; the Emperor and his small forces fought on and were presumably killed by the Ottomans. We don't really know what happened to the Emperor.
You guys such a wealth of information, it’s amazing. How do you remember everything? It’s fascinating, and I learn so much. I keep pushing back on my deconstructing, but this video clinched it for me. If I could remove all my fear, it would be great.
Ancent Religion started with the summer and winter solstice as a way to track the harvests, and the people had to sacrifice an animal or grains or wine, whatever they could contribute for the village to eat and celebrate that they had food during winter, a thanksgiving. They prayed to the founder's of farming and celebrating their ideas for future generations to have food to survive. It was that simple.
I'm confused. The description says, "In this video we describe how the Bronze age Phoenician deity El sacrificed his son Iehdud. This section is found in Eusibius preparation for the Gospel". But I went to the link in the description for the Eusibius writing, and did a search for both "El" and "Iehdud", they don't seem to appear in the text. So, where is that information coming from? I also tried to Google "Iehdud" but couldn't find anything.
Yes - there seems to be a lot of waffle in this video and most certainly Abraham did not sacrifice Isaac and that particularly is the point of the story. People don't understand that the stories are for training of the mind in the way of the working of God.
There is no doubt that Eusibius is using a source by Philo of Byblos, who is translating ancient works by a guy named Sanchuniathon. In this work by Eusibius, he is the one suggesting these claims of an ancient El who sacrificed his only begotten son. www.tertullian.org/fathers/eusebius_pe_01_book1.htm en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanchuniathon
Check this out as well my friend. vridar.org/2008/05/25/the-beloved-and-only-beloved-sons-sacrificed-by-loving-fathers-offering-of-isaac-5/?fbclid=IwAR0Zy4hUxYCT8ith0UFAYwmzcjyMrvzSGhOeZ7IjKf88EfO45fcZQWfxGNw
In listening to this friendly dialogue, I love hearing the passionate excitement, intellectual curiosity, and love of learning. I live in a liberal college town and such liberal-mindedness as expressed in this video is more common where I live. But even among most well educated people I know, such in-depth discussion of scholarship like this is so rare. I so often feel isolated. I watch something like this and have almost no one to share it with. I hope to live long enough to see such knowledge to become more widespread.
Pythagoras means Heart of the Serpent, he was born in Sidon, a fishing Port in Phoenicia. His mother recieved a message from the Oracle of Delphi that he would become a great Leader and Teacher. Sidon means Kingdom of the Fish, and the Essenes, who wrote the Dead Sea scrolls, worshipped Pythagoras. The Sarcophagus of Eschmun III found in Sidon names him as the Widow's Scion, aka Hiram Abiff, the Founder of Freemasonry, of which Tyre was the premier Capital (at least equal to Thebes). In 911BC Rameses II married the Queen of Sidon, home of Jezebel (Daughter or consort of Baal, basically "Queen") founding Neo Assyrian Babylon, an alliance between Egypt and Hiram, father of Jezebel and King of Assyria, and Egypt, forming the Phoenician colonies and building the first Temple of Melqart to commemorate the alliance. The Si in Sidon is the basis of the Latin Exe, or X, and is the basis of the Cross, or Chi Rho that Constantine painted on his shields. Also known as the Cross of Tyre, or Cross of Baal, being Ra-El, or Ba'El. Oddly enough irrational numbers can also be mapped using Euler's number, producing a Templar Cross in the process. This cross can also be seen around the neck of Nimrod in Assyria, and is consistent with the Union Jack, and Solstice Calendar found in the Vatican Shiva Lingam. Shiva is the Hebrew word for 7, their culture also found its way to Japan (via the Phillipines) ultimately becoming Shintoism. It was the Phoenicians who gave their name to the Pole Star, which they used to Navigate the Oceans using the Zodiac, thats what the Antikythera mechanism was for, and with it they wrote the Byblos Baal, what we now call the Bible. The first form of the Bible was written in 325BC and called the Vaticanus Greacus, or Son of the Sacred Serpent, a reference to Sirius, the basis of the Sothic Calendar, which uses a Hexidecimal or base 60 system found in all the Megalithic sites around the world. In the second century AD astronomer Valentinus Vettori transcribed it into a Lunar chart of 13 houses, what we now call the Zodiac. Horoscope means Star Watcher, and the Phoenician word for Saturn, or El, was Israel or El, (Fruit) of Isis and Ra. El is the primary God of the Phoenicians, representing the offspring of Egypt, and his consort Astarte represents the Assyrian half of the alliance. It may be possible to trace lineages and alliances through the naming of gods, which can be traced all the way to Ireland and the Vikings, and to Indonesia and the Americas, even as far away as New Zealand and Australia. It denotes Sirius as Son of Orion and Pleaides, which sits at 33 degrees of the Zodiac. The basis of the Sothic (dir Seth) Calendar of the Egyptians. The New Moon in this position marks Rosh Hashanah, the Egyptian, Celtic, Phoenician, and Assyrian New Year, the first New Moon of September, which is called September because it's the 7th House of the Zodiac, when the Sun is in Ophiuchus. The Phoenix, Benben, or Bennu is the Egyptian word for Heron, a Feathered 'Serpent'. It baptised itself in frankincense and myrrh at BaalBek, and then alights atop the Pyramid, upon the Holy Grail, or Alter of Ra every 630 years to take three days off the calendar during the course of the first New Moon of Nisan, which means "Prince". The Capstone of Pyramids is even called the Benben or Bennu. The Phoenix is found in all religions, which are all Astrological Allegory for the Moon travelling through the Constellations, as a soul migrating from body to body, this is the basis of Joseph Campbell's Monomyth, or the Hero's Journey. The various planets no doubt play their own roles as portents, omens, and aspects, this astrology is the science of the Bronze age, and lasted all the way up to the 20th Century. Resurrection was an early teaching of the Christian Church, and likely relates to the lineage of Kings (The King is Dead, long live the King.) Phoenicians represent the interim step between Egypt and Greece, their artisans and culture exceeding that of the Greeks, who literally adopted the Phoenician Alphabet, which we still use to this day, sounding out words phonetically. Phoenician is aliiterated in Venetian, and Vikings, being Kings of the Sea. The Bennu is the Egyptian Phoenix, to Phoenicians the Hoyle, no different to the traditions of the Etruscans, who saw birds as sacred, just as the Celts. Hebrew and Iber as in Iberia have the same root meaning over, as in overseas, as in those who travel "over the sea." A colony called Iberia also appears on the Eastern shores of the Black Sea, where the same Dolmens and Megalithic culture originating in Ireland and Brittany appeared circa 4500BC. _Phoenician_ means Scions of the Phoenix, the first Bible: Vaticanus Greacus Son of the Sacred Serpent (Prince). Then there's the Essenes, Sons of Light, the Tuatha De Danaan, Sons of Light, Annunaki, Sons of Light, Arthur Pendragon means Arthur Son of the dragon, Chertoff is Russian for "Son of the Devil" and Dracula also means Son of the Dragon, Masons have been known at times to call themselves the "Brotherhood of the Great White Serpent". The Ziggurat of Anu also denotes her as a great white Serpent, while New Grange and the Bru na Boinne in Ireland (4000BC) coated buildings with white quartz to denote the Moon. The Moon itself travels outside the Solar Elliptic by 5 degrees, which means it passes through specific constellations in a serpentine fashion that is always changing, but repeats every 19 years, the time it took to train a Druid or Magi, Magi meaning "Teacher" the Phoenix is also associated with this sacred number 19. The name "Pharoah" means "Great House" or "House of Light" and Cairo used to be called Babel. Pharaoh's themselves wore a hooded crown representing feathers, just as Native American Chiefs, ie the Feathered Serpent, they were also called the Commander in Chief. Aztecs also had Serpent Kings, (Canaan means Serpent Kings, and Sidon was a Son of Canaan, and Great Grandson of Noah) who were called to lead with cunning and guile, being the very virtue by which they claim the title in the first place; but to be seen in public as just and diplomatic. "As wise as Serpents, but gentle as Doves" the old Egyptian flag of an Eagle attacking a Snake is also reflected in the Modern Mexican flag, denoting the Constellations of Serpentis (13th sign of the Zodiac) and Aquila. The dimensions and 12 mathematical constants of the Great Pyramid are also expressed in New Grange, and Stonehenge, as well as in Watson Brake, (2500BC) and Teotihuacan, which correlates to the Phoenician/ Sumerian Hexidecimal system, which is what our modern systems of time are based on. Officially no one knows who invented astrology, the zodiac, navigation by the stars, and time keeping. But whoever built the pyramids, and pioneered the 24hr clock in Egypt 5000 years ago also knew the exact dimensions of the Earth, as well as the speed of light. These calculations can all be made using these Megalithic sites as surveyors use a theodolite. Specifically Teotihuacan, which sits 180 degrees opposite Cairo, and has the exact same footprint. The ideal positions to determine the speed of light using the transit of Venus, by which one can accurately determine Longitude for navigation. Capt cook did the same thing in 1774 when he 'discovered' Easter Island. The only culture that fits the bill was wiped out "not one stone upon the other" by the Romans in 146BC. Tyre, the capital of Phoenicia (israel) sat just offshore from Ur Shalom, City of the New Moon, or City of Peace. The root of the name Jerusalem, and was also seized by Rome in 70AD after a 13 year seige. The gap between is 216 years. Greek Dionysians built the Temple of Solomon (now called the Temple of Melqart) representing the Solar Lunar Metonic Calendar on which this system is based, they also carried mirrors, a practice associated with both the Magi and the Druids as well as Greek and Egyptian scholars, these Mirrors are Astrological charts called "Cycladian Frying Pans" and record the cycles of the planets. The first Temple of Melqart (the Phoenician form of Horus, or Hercules, or Pan, or Thor) representing the 13th Constellation of Ophiuchus or the Serpent Bearer (hence Orphic Serpent worship) had pillars of Emerald and Gold, representing Isis and Osiris. The Jerusalem Temple only took payment in "Shekels of Tyre" a currency minted during the Jewish rebellion against Rome. "Give that which is Ceasar's unto Ceasar" When Alexander sacked Tyre in 332BC they moved to Carthage meaning "New City" or New Jerusalem, where they built a second temple with Pillars of Bronze. Nebuchadnezzar also seiged Tyre for 13 years, taking the City captive in 573BC: the same time as the biblical account of the Jews. And again in 70AD after a three and a half year seige, also consistent with biblical accounts.
I appreciate you sharing your info. and historical facts and interpretation of historical facts. I would like to share my understanding in this whole mix. Regardless of what the culture and religious ideas and evolution therein from the first inception of sacrifices for the atonement of sins to the time of Jesus and his atonement sacrifice mentioned in scripture, Jesus was of a consciousness way ahead of his time culturally and ethically as can be seen by his teachings. His conscious awareness was awakened to the eternal principles of love and creation which he referred to as his heavenly Father and God. At his baptism by John he was commissioned and led by the Spirit to be prepared for the fulfillment of his role as messiah and Savior. The main point I want to share is that Jesus understood what you both are talking about, and the reason he intentionally fulfilled the scriptures, and cultural requirements of the belief systems of that day by offering himself as a human sacrifice for forgiveness of sins, was because he knew it was necessary to put a "new programming" in human consciousness for the spiritual evolution of mankind to take place. He himself was the new programing, and what the Bible call the "living WAY to the Father and our redemption and rebirth into the purity of his eternal love in which eternal life exists. Hebrews 10:1,5-22; John 6:27,29,33,35,40; 17:22,23,26; 3:3,5,8,14-17; Galatians 4:19; 2Corinthians 3:18; Ephesians 3:16-20; Philippians 3:20,21; Colossians 2:2,3. God in actuality did not have to be appeased and did not require a human sacrifice. Humanity in their ignorance and separation from the consciousness of that pure life and love which is the eternal nature of God, required a sacrifice to atone for their sins and move them through faith by the power of the Holy Spirit to be transformed by God's love, and enter a new state of higher consciousness in which love rules supreme, and in which sin cannot exist, and duality as we know it cannot exist within opposing forces. So the Bible says we become a "new creation" in Christ. Ephesians 3:17-19; 1John 1:1-3; Titus 3:4-7. So the "ransom" sacrifice of Jesus was required by the nature of sin and not by God. This is all revealed in scripture although not readily seen by human consciousness which exists in judgement of itself and of others. However, Jesus was aware of all of this and why it was necessary for him to offer himself as a human sacrifice for the sins of mankind. This is also why the "new birth" in Christ consciousness of unconditional love takes place through faith, and by the operation of the Holy Spirit. This is why Jesus said we have to die to self, take up our cross, and follow him into the revelation of God's love. This is why he said "I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Jesus said only the Son can reveal the Father. Mathew 11:27; John 1:18; 10:9,17,18; 14:6; Luke 10:22. This rebirth and WAY of salvation through faith and love revealed in our life by the operation of the Holy Spirit through faith in the death, and resurrection of Jesus is the WAY of salvation by faith. Grace is the only way to bypass the programing of the sin nature and die to the self generated by the nature of sin which exists in judgement of self and others through the divided nature of good and evil existing as two sides of the same coin and divided against itself in human consciousness. This is what the sin nature is; falling short of perfect love. Perfect love is perfect goodness and has no opposite. The eternal nature of God is undivided perfect love which is perfect goodness. In that love eternal life exists apart from sin. 1John 1:5; 4:7-19; Psalm 36:9; Jesus knew what he was doing and why. There is much more I can say and add, but it would take many pages. I hope this helps someone.♥
I really wanted to listen to this but I found it so hard with the music in the background. I thought it was intro music but then it carried on and I just found it so distracting because it sounded like you forgot to fade it out.
A key element to understanding the Sacrament of Communion and Christianity as a deep psychological mourning for our sins of the flesh is in remembrance of our behavior and actions to survive in the face of extreme hunger after Earth experienced a global cataclysm. Cannibalism, including the sacrifice of children then became that horrific yet necessary fleshly sin which through religion we transposed into the body and blood of God’s only son as a sacrifice to atone our guilt. In a twisted sense of atonement for God's abandonment upon humanity, facing extinction, Christian's coerced their God into sacrificing his only son so they can eat his flesh and drink his blood, just as our ancestors did of their children. This time of year is celebrated as the feast of the Dead, All Saints Day, Halloween, The Day of the Dead, etc. in remembrance of that time.
Osiris was also eaten as bread and wine in Communion, has a Passion, and acted as the intermediate between God and his People Also known as Commander in Chief
In Roman Judea, children were sacrificed outside of Jerusalem in the infamous Valley of Hinnom to the pagan god Moloch. It's also known as Gehenna which is the actual word that has been translated as Hell in the Bible, as in the afterlife's fiery pits of Hell in Christianity.
@@Uncanny_Mountain Saying that any white folks (Caucasians) originated in the Caucus Mountain region (Caucus Iberia) is like saying that an Aryan people originated from the Ararat Mountain region. It's like, well... yeah, the deluge brought our folks there, but our lineage certainly has antediluvian origins.
@@davidt1621 After the destruction of the first Jerusalem temple the Hebrews started to promote the worship of one god in order to unify the Hebrew tribes. All of the other gods like Moloch, Baal and Asherah fell out of favor during the second temple period.
After I saw this, it went through my mind the following: is there a connection between this and the Gospel narratives? Regardless of the historicity or ahistoricity of Jesus - was early Christianity a syncretism of Judaism with a revival of the old Canaanite polytheism, with the NT God being the god El from Canaanite religion and Jesus being his only begotten sacrificed son (regardless of him claiming it during his lifetime or it being claimed by his followers after his death)? I did a search online, and in a few seconds, I found this book titled "Jesus the Phoenician" by a certain Karim El Koussa, that appears to argue just that. Derek or Neill interviewing Karim El Koussa would be very cool.
Great video! I read/heard an audiobook (can't remember which) that the 1st born was sacrificed so the gods/demons could use the blood and severed head to accurately predict the future. Could you help elaborate on this?
I truly appreciate this channel bringing topics related to the Hebrew Bible, it's history & the Chrisitan propaganda surrounding it. However .... I think that we need to look at ABRAHAM's religion based on historical evidence rather than the claims of corporate religion.
No, it's really not All they can find in Palestine is Canaanite artefacts. Because the Bible was written by the Canaanites, hence Canny, a Scottish Gaelic word for Cunning Serpent 🐍
Enlil is Yahweh. Enlil despises mankind shortly after it's creation. Enlil owns the "Bootes Constellation". Enlil owns the "Black Knight Satellite" aka the all seeing eye. There is no love in Enlil. There is no forgiveness. There is no compassion. Enlil is the cause of our suffering. Enlil has destroyed all life on this planet a few times already. One example is "The Iridium Anomaly". Yahweh is Enlil.
Well, as a person who was reared as a Hebrew Israelite, I thoroughly enjoyed this exegesis of The Scriptures. I don't think that all of it is fiction, however, it is important to have an open mind and acknowledge that The books of The Bible are not, in totality, the inerrant, word of God/YHWH.
