It’s not a cassette - so what is it? 

Funny how they licensed an incompatibility...

Sounds like another episode to me!

Techmoan! Thanks for your videos they are really awesome.

First that Channel Master thing, and now this - what was up with Sanyo and incompatible losing tape formats anyway? =P

Very kind of you to help Mike out.

OH yes indeed :)

Yep

Hmm there could be something about our nicknames. But i can't put my finger on it.

Ever seen a wire recorded ?

exactly :)

You should do an episode as well. AST video was super cool Love your videos too!

Ha! subbed to both of ya!

They had more common sense in the past than us.. Now people ignore a permanent cd to have a temporary licence to some music they can be pulled anytime.. You could love a certain band but have their songs disabled because some group protested the music company due to their politics etc....

Cool 8 bit guy watched this awesome

Like your channel?

Cost and space. Machines are expensive and take a lot of space. I think Techmoan's collection makes more sense and is more valuable, from scientific point of view, but each private collection is important, on the long run.

@@moamber1 That's pretty ridiculous, frankly. Every one of our basements and storage untis is a 'museum of obsolete media'. It helps no one! lol!

Imagine being a Betamax collector just in it for looking at the physical tapes :P

Because it's not the Museum of Obsolete Media and Players, obviously.

To make the media extra obsolete. What is more obsolete than media you can't play?

...and Joan Rivers xD

A good deed indeed ^^

@Jacob Mayes that is awesome man!!!!

I did a similar thing one day when a nun got into contact with me after watching one of my videos about minidiscs. She had some recordings from some religious radioshows on minidisc. But since they were recorded in lp4 she couldn't play them in her sony mz r55. So she send me the discs and i started copying them and sending her the recordings.

Agreed. Great guy.

It's next the museum of dodgy leads. Or across from the museum of batteries.

Luckily, there is. It's Techmoan's house. And I agree the actual museum seemingly not caring about machines to play their data is Captain Picard facepalm meme level 3000.

@@BlaBla-jj6sh it is pretty obvious. If they also had the players it would become "the museum of obsolete media, and their players...." ;)

What is the point of preserving the media if you don't have machine to play it on? That is beyond ridiculous!

@@HerecomestheCalavera could be a decent unviersty project where your given a random bit of media and have to make a device that can actually play it back somehow

@@andymerrett Yes, you can since many years correct speed and pitch and many other things in the computer, i know this since i use professional softwares for recording and mixing music, being a musician.

Even without software, he could modify the cassette player - swap the polarity of the motor to make it run backwards or flip the head the other way.

@@simontay4851 Swapping the polarity of the motor would probably not work that well unless you have a autoreverse deck at least since the autoreverse ones has capstans on both sides. I think flipping the head would work since it would then play the other side of the cassette which would normally be backwards compared to the first side. I had a 4 track cassette portastudio in the 80´s, on that thing you could have just played the tape and transfered it correctly since all 4 tracks was in the same direction so that may be an option far easier than modding a tape recorder. its of course easier to use the computer though since you want to transfer it to digital audio anyway. (Flippin head ! or Flippin heck ! :-) )

We have a similar problem with backup media. ;)

I guess they don't want to be inundated with requests of this variety to solve incompatibility problems!

"We only carry books that are written in forgotten languages."

@@Pooua exactly!

just don't let her hear them backwards. that was a bit creepy/weird

Probably because the tape was not playable in any device except the forgotten ones.

precisely my thoughts

Because it was rendered through Audacity program,,

@@kirmutsalter5770 Audacity can only provide quality equal to or lesser than the source. It does not improve it.

If the TV had a headphone jack it and the recorder had a mic input, it would be possible to plug a line directly in. You have to limit the volume on the TV or it will be too loud and cause distortion. I did this in the past, mostly for TV themes, and got some good audio recordings. It's much better than holding the tape player in front of the TV.

We only call them “proptietary “ from an historical context when they didn’t end up being the dominant format. History is written by the victors.

@@stuartcole4845 Agreed - One example is Firewire was proprietary, however Apple licensed it and eventually it was available license free as IEEE-1394 when it became standardised...

@@stuartcole4845 not really though. If it can only be bought from a certain producer and only used with stuff from that company it is proprietary no matter if it becomes the standard format or not. It is just that proprietary formats generally have little chance to become the industry standard. There are loads of "open" formats that never got any traction and we do not call them proprietary.

@Jacob Mayes Yes, Sony who co-invented that obscure format called CD. History writes what people call a proprietary format. Sony also invested Beta which became Betacam, the defacto standard in TV studios for decades.

@@Fifury161 Firewire did get abandonned pretty quickly though, as USB 2.0 was faster and camcorders started to use SD Cards (or Memory Stick or xD card, depending on manufacturer) so they could just be plugged into a media reader for dumping files onto your computer's HDD for editing.

My brother-in-law looks at the wear on a brake pedal when buying a used car. ... What a dumbass!

@@rongarza9488 Why is he a dumbass? There is a lot of information about the car and the previous owner there. There are quite a few things to look at on a used car to prevent you buying a poorly maintained or previously wrecked car.

@Jill Sweeney Yeah, I wasn't directing my comment at anyone in particular. It's just that some things are good indicators of how the car was treated, and some aren't. Whether a driver slides his/her shoe off the brake or not, well that not a great indicator of anything.

why the fuck are these the replies

The white paper when wet is like a wet t-shirt. When white t-shirt is wet you can see through it easier. That's why wet T-shirt contest are so popular.

Indeed, George Gershwin toiled away in the composition of piano rolls. The rolls had a interesting feature. In order to "fatten" up the musical piece, they would often cut extra holes. So essentially, the work could not be played by a single human piano player only by a machine. It's interesting to note that so much music insists on human physical interaction with an instrument. Unless there is fingers on strings or lips on a mouthpiece many of can't emotionally react to the piece. Even if it can explore extra-human musical possibilities.

Fascinating, never heard of this!!! Every day is a school day

@@Flshbckmn - It is indeed fascinating. Although famous pianist had already made lots of 78rpm recordings for record companies like HMV, the sound quality was very limited, due to the fact that only after 1915 the electrical microphone started to be used by record companies (which would significantly enhance the quality of the recordings). Having a famous pianist or composer 'play' for you 'live' in your own home, on your own piano, was of course way more appealing than listening to faint sounds on a fragile spinning disk that mainly produced hiss and loud spikes of white noise. This explains why companies like Welte Mignon could afford paying so many legendary artists to record pianorolls for them (including very famous people like Saint Saens, Strauss, Mahler, Grieg, Debussy, and Paderewski). Judging from the thousands of piano & pianoroll ads I have seen in newspapers and magazines of the early 1900s, there was a lot of competition among producers and distributors of pianorolls and reproduction pianos (which by the way could also be used as a regular piano). Of course, this was a big market with lots of opportunities, since you didn't have to learn to play the piano before buying and enjoying a piano. The content (on pianorolls) motivated people to invest in a piano/grand piano, just like iTunes did with the iPod and later the iPhone. It always puzzled me why so few people know about this part of the history of recorded audio/music. At least there is enough interest over here, which is great!

It’s similar to the deliberate decision to split DVD compatibility into regions. There’s no technical reason for it. Purely a marketing decision because they believed it was advantageous to separate market regions - thus introducing technical impediments artificially.

@@ChrisMelville - Was that really a marketing decision, though? I thought the regional restrictions were introduced because of the difference in movie premiere dates and subsequent DVD release dates around the world.

All of them?

@@sammie9999 what brand do you use? Also FYI there's at least three companies doing that now unfortunately! I know of Google and Samsung phones joining that particular band wagon

@@SavingSergeantLiam darn shame too, if i was lg id market the hell out of the quad dac, it already had an edge over alot of phone audio outputs, and now its more of a factor than before

@@fernandogonzalez5770 I prefer wireless headphones anyway (I'm not a big sound enthusiast, I prefer the flexibility over wireless to sound quality), but it is a shame to see aux dying out slowly. It seems to inflexible to be only be able to charge your phone or listen to music.

@@SavingSergeantLiam i understand, and yeah i just think it sucks that were getting one option removed, there are many high end headphones that people use on their phones, and even though bluetooth adapters exist, youre losing fidelity that you had when you had the jack, so some manufacturers can save a few dollars or maybe a little space.

I have to say, Museum of Obsolete Media sounds like it's at least easy to keep in an old gym bag, but most media lose at least some of their fun and utility without a device that actually plays them.

Silly eh? Why keep the media but not the devices to play it on? Its a no brainer. I watched a thing on RU-vid recently with Money Mark from The Beastie Boys & he had a load of those paper music rolls but nothing to play them on so I think he rigged up something homemade to do the job? I may be wrong on that though? Cheers anyway Mike. ;) Peace out...

You would think a place that has the media would try to have the equipment to play it... 😕

Otherwise known as the Techmoan Museum!

Made me smile.

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It's likely meant to be a Mueseum about the formats themselves and the history of recorded media. Lacking the visual aid of players could be called an oversight still I suppose

Yes, what are they thinking? it's all useless without being able to get the information off it.

@@pvthudson5069 Perhaps the museum was set up for the purposes of cautionary education. See this worthless crap.....don't do this.

@@drmodestoesq maybe. It all becomes worthless crap in the end.

If they had the media AND the ability to play them, then they wouldn't be obsolete anymore!

I'm not a fruit user, but don't Apple have their reasons for incompatibility, e.g. security? EDIT: I know it's a milking machine, but there are *some* valid reasons why keep the *software* incompatible.

Right, because a regular 3.5mm headphone jack isn't "secure" enough.

Fureon Nectarmoon you can use any Bluetooth headphones with an iPhone.

You need phones thin enough to get papercuts from them for security reasons?

@@vaclav_fejt They're not "reasons". They are "excuses".

Or if you lived in the sticks with parents who thought going to a town with more than three stoplights was "dangerous city driving", then Sears was your whole world. I have no doubt that with some research I could find 90%of the stuff in my childhood home looking at nothing but a stack of Sears catalogs from 1965-1985.

My dad worked for General Electric in the 1970s and we got employee discounts on GE products, so practically everything in the house that ran on electricity was GE. Fortunately in this case GE standardized on the Philips cassette. Dad had a GE recorder that he used for years to record everything we said on Christmas morning when we were little kids: getting manically excited about some of our presents, grousing over presents we found disappointing, singing dopey Christmas songs, etc. Every one of them ends with my mother saying "Gary, turn that thing off." My sister kept the tapes as nostalgia/blackmail material.

If Sears sold it, then I guess they thought the Sanyo tape cartridge was a promising format. As I recall, Sears also sold Betamax video recorders, another promising format that quickly bit the dust.

Doug Browning Sad but true. I never owned a sears Beta machine, but stayed loyal to the format because of how much better the video looks on it, till I was no longer able to find blank tapes for the VCRs. very reluctantly added VHS to my collection, and was disappointed always with it, needing to record only 2 hours per tape for decent quality... It was very cool when the SVHS-ET variety came out however. Finally a version I liked, definitely more video noise than Beta, but higher resolution for sure! Sadly compatibility issues are also exaggerated with SVHS-ET. oh well, I know I never said VHS was ever a format worth choosing over something else...

@@MattMcIrvin lol blackmail.... f'ing sisters for you! :D

Maybe backwards, but we didn't know the release date of the Sears player. I think it can have a low chance that it was released before the Philips compact casette.

@@vadsuhanc Lmao certainly not Nice pun, springbay1

@@vadsuhanc Seeing as it has the exact same tape reels, just repackaged in a slightly different shell, I'm sure it came later. Philips copying Sears is way too far-fetched.

A crappy policy is what that was. Kinda like printer companies charging ridiculous money for ink cartridges.

I think it's a bit premature to say conclusively that Sears was responsible for this format. Sears is a retailer; they have manufacturers slap the Sears name on their products, but they're not a company that develops technologies. Sears clearly sold these things, but I don't think they MADE this oddball format. Did they have an interest in you coming back for tapes and accessories? Clearly, and that may very well have influenced their decision to market this particular format, but that doesn't imply they developed it.

I think the only things that I could say that are _slightly_ more positive about Memory Sticks are that more than one manufacturer made them and they could be bought in more than one store. (but I’m not defending them either).

Not unlike the Sears Video Arcade (Atari 2600) en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_2600#/media/File%3AAtari-2600-Tele-Games-FL.jpg

I shill have memory sticks that for some reason i can still read them in my computer multimedia slot.

At least when they first came out, Memory Sticks had some advantages over CF (smaller size, no fragile pins), were less glitchy than MMC and especially SM, and Sony didn't restrict their use to their own players and laptops. This cassette is just pure spite.

The advantage those memory sticks have over this obscure tape however is that those sticks were used in a widely and internationally sold product, the PlayStation Portable.

L Ofaday the 'Razor and Blades' business model.

Look whats happening to sears now,...god sees everything , they are reaping what they sowed

You could say that Sears was really ahead of it's time, pulling this sort of crap decades ago.

Comes with a $9.99 cassette case.

The joke gets even better when you realize it required a third party to provide data recovery.

and it needs a special pen to rewind :)

Thats the first thing that came to mind too

A few samples would be sweet!

I know, right? Who ever thought she was funny?

That must be a REALLY old tape!

Different times :-) Not PC today. (I'm not complaining)

@@ranz2355 exactly.

I wouldn't. Just take your time and be careful and it can be done.

Thank you @Meep for saying that. I do my best

Even better for the people his helping and on the bonus side also very entertaining for us. So; thanks for sharing.

​@Matthew Hopkins Ah, of course, I forgot about that part. Thank you.

While Philips licensed the format for free, there were other patent holders (or maybe even Philips themselves) cashing in on patents for some technical details that improved on the basic mechanism. The name of Staar S.A., Brussels, Belgium could be found as a licensor on many a Japanese player in the past.

Evil but clever. Youve probably seen the video on the Divx player that would phone home and charge you again to play DVDs each time.

It may be less corporate greed, and more avoidance of patent infringement. Also, this notion of brand incompatibility isn't unique to this. Really, it's been standard operating procedure for ages, especially where new tech is concerned. And, it's not limited to electronics, either. Back in the 70's, trailer hitch systems were brand specific, for example. Another example would be trying to mate a Ford engine to a Chevy transmission, then dropping that assembly into a Chrysler sedan. As popular as Sears was, at the time, their cartridge ( Made by Sanyo) could have become the standard. If the tech had shown up 10 years sooner, it may have, too.

I doubt there's much point. It'll be a standard cassette recorder but with slightly larger innards and the tape heads turned the other way up.

@@d2factotum like there being any "point" has ever held him back ;)

LoL. Or you perform a tape transplant. 😀

Lovely.

*cough* Hundreds of companies over the years *cough*

*cough*Nintendo*cough*

*cough* red *cough*

Or every corperation to ever be created if you give them the chance. It is what we encourage them to do, so no need to be salty about it really.

Sony? I thought of Apple at first. x)

sounds like someone who's never worked on a car once

@@mrb2917 how so?

It's how Apple works too. LMAO

That is how whole capitalism works.

So does Dell I swear they are like the Apple of IBM/PC Clones companies.

Look whats happening to sears. God sees everything, these companies will reap what they sow

so does dell, and ibm and microsoft

Join us!

Make sure you say all the words correctly.......

*_The Ring_* for me.

@@BravoTwoDelta klaatu... barada... necktie?

Silly atheist

I transfer anything for free for people.. Any format... I would feel guilty charging money for a fun hobby..

No doubt!

Damn, that's a good one :-)

Definitely. I've always said that you don't own your iPhone. Your iPhone owns you!

I'd say that Apple were more likely to be copying Sony. Steve Jobs was reportedly a big fan of Sony.

@@blahdelablah Depends on what aspect you are considering. The comment is considering the aspect of locking in customers.

Oh, I'm quite fond of my 3" disk drive on my spectrum +3, but maybe because I was a child (in Brazil) at that time and this computer to me was an utopia, an unnatainable dream :)

@@KarlHamilton ..and then he lumbered the Spectrum +3 with 3" drives too, because he had a load of old Amstrad CPC disk drives he couldn't sell.

And of course like this Sanyo cassette format, the 3" FDD was a failed Japanese offering, this time from Hitachi, that hadn't gained traction in the market. It was a very solid and reliable media format though, so I think Sugar got it right really.

Wasn't just amstrad, the Tatung Einstein used them too.

@@familyhelpdeskhelpdesk270 And Oric, and they were available as third-party upgrades for several other machines including the BBC Micro.

In Australia you generally don't buy another ink cart,you just buy the whole printer all over again as it's cheaper

dont user inkjet printer because its a scam, use laserjet.

@@sriley064 True, but I was told that the starting cartridges in a new printer have reduced capacity- they don't have as much ink as the replacement. When I buy a printer I choose one with the cheapest cartridges (which used to be Canon)

At least before you had the option of using third party ink carts. Nowadays....NOPE

@@lordevyl8317 I buy 3rd party ink carts for my 2yr old Epson printer at a fraction of the cost of genuine ones

Oh wow. I wonder if the Wish Books are there. We LOVED THOSE at Christmas time. : )

Still exist in Mexico

There's like 700 sears stores left in the US, filed for bankruptcy, but I think it's done for a reason, because I think they own Kmart as well.. Either they just transitioned to Kmart or simply that Walmart just took over. I remember going to sears with my dad all the time as a kid

Yeah. A clever scumbag, it turns out. : )

His nephew works at Apple today.

It was Steve Jobs doing work experience.

...but then turned out not to be.

That's how the original edison wax cylinders were made as well. The horizontal grooves came later. Edison just stuck to them into the disk era.

@@spacemissing I learned something today! Maybe I shouldn't think I'm a recording engineer. :-)

This sounds like something Professor Farnsworth from Futurama might say.

@@andymerrett I ran into this problem back in 1990, when my gf at the time and I went into an antiques shop and bought a stack of the things. Took them back to her place and tried to play them on her Victrola, and learned of the difference.

That's strange. I have quite a few Edison disc records (collected by my father) and they play just fine on a standard turntable, although the correct speed is 80 rpm. However, I also have Pathé discs which do have vertical modulation. I've never found any way of playing those discs. The stylus just skates across the surface without tracking.

When it was playing backwards, I was thinking 'Reverse it! Reverse it!'

That's quite recent formats that still have widespread use.

Yes, but Jinni come lately

Excuse me sir, how many coins have you got due to advertising your address on your username? I'm genuinely curious, not trolling.

@jonny j Yeah, not really. nVidia always try to create proprietary technologies and products, and sell them saying it's the "future". And then a few years later their tech is dead. Actually dead.

Your profile pic scrolls really weird in dark mode on my phone... Just fyi

Nvidia isn't the only graphics card company to make backroom deals so games will run better on their card than competitors. Remember 3dfx?

nvidia..... anyone who doesnt want ot use windows HATES THEM WITH A PASSION

Lmao at AMD sectants, their hardware is so shitty that they constantly need to invent excuses why nobody buys it except them.

My brother once gave me his minidisc player/recorder because I managed to work out the Engrish instructions to record using the device itself via the aux input. It was almost a shock when I moved on to MP3 and had most of the work done for me.

@@Android-ng1wn And revel in the apalling sound quality of the poxy little speaker in the echo :( PROPER speakers are BIG with multiple drivers and solid cabinets. Anything else is cheap junk.

"How do you say no?" You just said it. lol also there are people who are jerks and probably would have charged them an arm and a leg.

I was tested within 24 hours after writing this......

@@DRDCC "how do you say no" "What's the number for nine one one: "Never say never" All sentences that do the thing they say they can't do

Another way to think about it: Doesn't not having the playback equipment make the media even more obsolete?

My first thought exactly... but then, instantly, the audacity of Audacity sprung to my mind...

I was thinking he would use one of those auto-reverse cassette players that had a double-head instead of a rotating head, and then grab the audio from the wrong head. Then he goes and shows us how to do this properly :-)

Some decks with auto-reverse used a genuine 4-channel head so as to avoid changing its position which could often lead to a mis-aligned head. I actually have one myself, a BTO Plus Deck, which is a cassette mechanism housed in a 5.25-inch form factor enclosure, just like your everyday CD/DVD/BR-drive.

@@BertGrink yes the 4 channel heads are often found in autoreverse walkman's and carstereos, while technics hifiset cassettedecks had 2 channel head that rotated.

Same here. My Dad received a portable shoebox-style "Sears Tape Cartridge Recorder" that uses ordinary cassette tapes. I retained the unit over the years and it's somewhere in my garage boxes today, to my knowledge.

@D.O.A. Yep... When Office 2007 has more functions than 99.99 percent of users will ever need, and it runs absolutely fine on Windows 10... How do you milk a product? You turn it into a service and tell people they are "supported" and automatically get the "updates". (Provided they agree to share all data with you and have an always open internet connection.... Or something)

Rudy Valllee doing "Winchester Cathedral": ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-APpoV0uJw6c.html and Lawrence Welk version: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-knKyF9tOo-8.html - wonder if recordings of Ed Sullivan and Joan Rivers exist. I'm sure archivists would like to know...

Paroxy DM That’s Valley Plaza in Van Nuys or North Hollywood - I think. It was our “back to school” destination in the 1960s.

'worked at one in the Detroit area that matched it Exactly 🌴 minus palm trees