It Has Come To My Attention You Don't All Love BIRDS OF PREY 

Why's the comment so late though lol

It is bad for anyone who likes a movie based on it's gender That bad Like you hated gostbuster for being bad I hope you lean a lesson and not like it Like you people sucks Liking birds of prey because she is a woman and then complaining about gostbuster 2016 is bad The movie was not great but people blaming sexism is the downfall. But then people say It is always mysogynist. Then people are angry to those people and hate the movie.

I’m a guy and I fucking love this movie. People love to be miserable to follow their agenda.

@@anymarcos2355 No this movie is a agenda & this video is garbage.

@@elongatedmanforever1252 what makes you think that I care? Certainly you do care what people think of this movie. But let me give you a tip. You ain’t shit, and I don’t have to agree with you. I LIKE THIS MOVIE, and no it doesn’t have any political agenda in it. There is just a bunch of women in the screen that’s all. Calm ur tits

I actually thought the fight scenes was the high point of this movie. Now I get it´s also been a while since the last time I watched one "a la Antigua", with no CGI and mostly practical takes.

right? it adds so much to her character, when I saw the amount of throat jabs it almost immediately made me think of all the womens defense courses I had seen or heard of over the years, adds that reality of her needing to protect herself even before she was harlequin

Ya beat me to it ! Go for the throat or the knees ! Side of the knee especially... my Nana taught me this as a kid !

This is also a great explanation and the first thing I thought when he mentioned her throat punches around 15:10. Throat punching is one of the easiest and most effective self defence moves especially with big weight class differences (Harley fighting these 8ft beefcake gangsters) EDIT: Lol expanded the replies and ppl beat me to it nm

I also loved how they addressed hair getting in your face

@LokiTetch the big part that proves my point is Roman stripping down the woman in his club, especially after the girl with the diamond escaped him. He was mad and he took it out on another woman like that, using her as an example of if anyone went against him in any way. Nobody could miss that but other moments I and other women/minorities easily saw portraying Roman's awful intentions was when he tried to dance with Black Canary literally right after that, and she clearly didn't want to. But she had no choice and she knew it, if she denied, he could hurt, assault, traumatize, and even kill her. Also there was a scene where Harley was super drunk and men tried to carry her off in their truck (it's been a bit since I watched the movie, but I know that's the jist of it). That's a massive thing we have to deal with and keep an eye out for too. Women and minorities don't get to deal with flamboyant, cunning, villains like Joker, we gotta deal with the scums of the Earth no one else cares about. We don't even get to beat them in the end, but surviving and portraying the reality meant so much to I and other people watching Birds Of Prey.

@LokiTetch yea exactly, but even though they're not dangerous to men, it just makes me wonder if men are typically able to tell if someone is predatory/dangerous towards women (or another minority group) and from what I see, sometimes they really aren't and that's scary. I completely understand that Roman's a stupid villain, he totally is but he's such a realistic type of stupid. I view it as: Roman himself as a character is ridiculous, his motives are dumb and he has no reason to do some things other than for dramatic flair and to masquerade as a big time Gotham villain for his ego, but what he represents is something evil and real, and I think that's what they were trying to convey with him.

@LokiTetch Then wtf DOES scare men? I could imagine NOT being scared for these girls I thought they were going to die or worse 🤦‍♀️ Listen to this young woman she's right, many men ARE desensitised to predators

Wow beautifully said. It does seem that way to me too. Like not understanding the difference between “harassment” and “compliment” for one.

Honey, you are a teenager. Stop acting like you are smarter than everyone.

It was Also pretty sexist also.

@@elongatedmanforever1252 the opposite actually. I think it was a nod at all of the female superhero’s having their hair down all the time, when it’s inconvenient

@@DeezNuts-dm1md Its still sexist why make a whole scene about that?? you would never see a scene where a superheroes junk gets cramped because of his tight outfit, so why do it with women its stereotypical at best, funny how nobody has a issue with this.

@@elongatedmanforever1252 it’s not that deep

@@DeezNuts-dm1md Its still very cringe worthy.

That's a very fair statement. And an interesting commentary by the makers of the film if it was intentional.

Also, do the _villains_ need to have substance??? Why do you need to like them so much? The point of the movie is that we _don't_ like them, and so long as their obstacle for the heroes make _some_ narrative sense, so long as the villains abide by what that says about them, they don't need more. Sionis also _did_ have his backstory aired - Harley spit it in his face while calling him stupid. Why do you want to make him feel like some anti-hero all the time???

@@justanawkwardnerd Substance doesn't mean you have to like them it just means you have to understand them. Understanding your character makes them a good character even if they're not a protagonist or a good person you should love to hate them not just hate them, if you're bad guy doesn't have substance you're not all that happy when he loses, at most you get indifferent. A villain without substance is a boring villain which is why the female villains that the original commentator described were so abhorrent They don't have to be an anti-hero and not everybody wants that in fact I don't think most people want the villain to be an anti-hero then he doesn't serve very well as a villain in most cases and definitely wouldn't fit this movie

​@@protagonist-kunspersona5860 Point, but I was more taking it as "likeability," as we had already understood them - they are creepy narcissists on a power trip, and we even got Sionis's motivations and backstories aired out accurately by Harley. I figured that they couldn't really be complaining about "not knowing" these villains, as we DO know them, but about something else, which is why I wrote my comment the way I did. That the "substance" people claimed were lacking was more about qualities they'd want to emulate. I elaborate more on the villains else where, but I didn't feel like doing it here, too, is all.

@@justanawkwardnerd Well that also goes hand-in-hand with something some other people in the comments section have been saying that they don't line up with the comic book counterparts I don't know too much about their comic counterparts but I can understand the frustration although the only time I've seen black mask he was an underwhelming character anyways so🤷🏾‍♂️ but I still don't think people want to like the villain or emulate him most just think his character was completely altered to fit this movie and they didn't like that

I feel the exact same way, I've watched BOP at least half a dozen times because I love it so much, and yet each time I debate skipping through that scene

yes, halfway through the beginning of that scene it dawned on me "oh it's *that* kind of villain" really well done but also a scene that makes rewatching hard ahaha

it brought me to tears in the theatre, and even the quick clip in this vid made me physically recoil. but hes right, its not something anyone can misconstrue as sexy, it is obviously evil and its awesome for that reason

@@Snow-pw6vw oh yeah I definitely let a couple of tears fall

Ikr, I looked away every time I rewatched it

i love how they constantly remind us how harley actually has a brain and an education while in sucide squad the one time we learn she was a psychologist was during her backstory when she falls in love w the joker.

@@mandiesofie9123 sadly I think that’s the norm (or at least for a long time it was the norm) where the psychology angle was just a means to get Harley to interact with the joker. In some cases, they do away with the psychologist angle by implying she slept her way to her PhD so she’s not actually qualified. So her backstory just being a means to an end in SS is to me just a repeated trend. Why I really love birds of prey.

In the animated series Ivy gets her to analyse herself objectively by describing her own symptoms to her from an outside perspective, which then prompts her to break out of the abusive relationship she has with the Joker. That is also recent, and I'm not sure about earlier appearances, but I'm pretty sure that isn't the only time I've seen her use her PhD as full on post-Joker Harley. I do love that duality between her extremely smart and educated side, and her whimsical lunatic though, I agree.

@@artywolve I feel old when you said the animated series and I’m thinking the 90s one haha. 😂 Yeah the new show also uses her phd like psyching out an insecure teen out of killing her. The animated series, as good as it is and it’s where she came from and I love it, her psych background in Mad Love was generally just used as a means to get her to the joker vs an extension of her character.

I’m thinking about going for a degree in psychology just to do that.

Yeah Im confused at that why do people not think it's that bad.

Yeah I haven't seen anybody say that that was boring and I can't comprehend as to why they would, any man who doesn't at the very least get uncomfortable seeing that has got to be some kind of predator, incel, or neckbeard

@@protagonist-kunspersona5860 It was Cringe honestly, & the female Charecter only Existed to be Objectified for a Male Villains motivation?? That's stupid.

So it's a Victimhood Narrative okay then.

I find it is those who understand that these actions are horribly disgusting and incredibly realistic who does see the villainy. The men that do find these scenes boring are those who do not understand that these behaviours are terrifying. These men are usually those who have not had conversations with women about men over sexualising them and the dangers that it causes.

I feel like the apparent chaotic look she sported here is very authentic to her characterization + adding a LOT to her attractiveness, since she's picking outfits that genuinely fit her and radiate a portion of her more developed personality.

I saw a video that made a REALLY good point about how Suicide Squad filmed Harley with a male gaze while BoP filmed her with a female gaze. So being filmed with the male gaze makes her more appealing to men since every shot is meant to sexualize her and her body. It's really sad.

It is bad for anyone who likes a movie based on it's gender That bad Like you hated gostbuster for being bad I hope you lean a lesson and not like it Like you people sucks Liking birds of prey because she is a woman and then complaining about gostbuster 2016 is bad The movie was not great but people blaming sexism is the downfall. But then people say It is always mysogynist. Then people are angry to those people and hate the movie. You know If you want a good female move makes it not revolve around feminism and don't blame sexism for people hating it 54% of people who saw it where men if they where sexist then they would have not seen It so most critics should not be because they where female but because They did not like it because it was not as good. Don't include feminism unless you want a feminist inspiration movie not a female inspiration movie. I don't hate the move because of that you can like It Never like or hate a movie based on People gender but the skill Like The People liking birds of prey are hypocrite like they make fun of ghostbuster because they revolve around feminism but they only like bird or prey because of it's gender. The ghostbuster fanbase is les worst than bird of prey fanbase Harley queen has more famous than ghostbuster Because batman is part of the justice league. At least ghostbuster fans are not hypocrite more of then like then for their artwork which means Southpark was right I should have never mistrust Southpark and pc principal. You can like birds of prey becuase it was good but not only because of it's gender

@@noviglove8093 Stop copy and pasting into everyone goddamn thread with your gibberish regardless of what people are saying.

there's a reason everyone cosplays as her SS costume instead of her BOP costume, one is sexy and one is ugly

Yep... I also read recently how the whole cult like adoration of evil men (real people) as these geniuses is just misguided and false view of pathetic men who got away with way too much for way too long because law enforcement didn't give a shit to catch them, or didn't believe the victims. Hell, Tedd Bundy was marketed (a serial killer marketed, wow) as this panty dropping charmer but in fact women didn't actually like him much. It is just that people who WISH to be able to do what those people did, WANT those people to be intelligent, charming, misunderstood as you will- because then in their fantasies, they imagine themselves to be all those things as they brutalize other human beings.

@@stefanmakara373 Perfeclty put. Mind sharing where you read that?

Stefan Makara I hope it’s less “I want to be that brutal man” and more “evil can’t possibly be mundane and unassuming because then it might be hard to stop and we can’t have that now. It must be over the top and obviously wrong.” Like how people think they know about racism, because they see blatant KKK members touted as villains, but then they completely ignore subtlely racism, because they don’t want to think about how racism is pretty status quo and easy to ignore. It’s easier to think that serial killers are incredibly charming masterminds than it is to understand that a lot of killers are unassuming, normal people who we could bump into on the street and not even realize. Come to think of it, I don’t think I’ve seen this sort of “realistic” villain in superhero movies. Could just be my optimism though, and people totally do just want to project onto big baddies.

These are amazing points about the nature of society’s glorification of villainy and everyone in this comment section should read them 👆🏽

well said! thats exactly how i felt about the male characters in this movie!

@LokiTetch I mean i Kinda also feel like thats in there for a reason. When he had Harley alone and in his control he chose to drag it out instead of contact his boss or just kill her.

@LokiTetch Did we watch the same character? He incapacitated and toyed with the main character of the movie in what's probably the second or third most disturbing scene of the movie. All of the women I know and a good portion of other non-men, including myself, know for a fact that that scene could have easily gone to a MUCH more painful place; and that if we're ever similarly impaired by a similarly sleazy person in a compromising situation, it could happen to us, or worse.

@LokiTetch How is it pathetic for a man to be beaten and killed by women? Sounds like you have some mommy and brain issues. They might intersect here, considering mommy dearest must have held your head beneath the bath water long enough to kill plenty of brain cells for you to make these comments.

He has a realistic appearance too. A skeezy rat man whos a skeezy creep show.

Right?? I was genuinely very scared of him. Like on one hand, is he a vindictive, little prick who will never make it to the top of the food chain but on the OTHER HAND because of all this, he's excessively aggressive, volatile and constantly punches down on anyone who isn't Roman. He's like the boss' son who feels you up by the water cooler just because he knows he can.

One day we might have nice things. When our species grows the fuck up.

I didnt hate the movie but it definitely had issues. Not liking a movie doesnt make you a misogynist.

@@seanisgone5413 but not liking it for the the wrong reasons is Which is the case for most people

Alien, Wonder woman, Kill bill, every episode with ashoka in the clonewars and her upcoming show

@@ayman6733 come now, Wonder Woman? She doesn't wear that skirt for it's defensive advantage. Yeah, I know it's supposed to have some basis in history, but realistically, she could at least wear leather pants with plating or something to offer some protection. Yeah, I know she technically doesn't need it, but my point is whoever designed that armour knew what they were doing: titillating. Tarantino is also some obscure example where a creative genius is accepted and funded by large studios and his work is also successful. Very rare. I watched a review of another work like that that only had 2 out of those 3, and it didn't do so well. The point is, stuff like that doesn't happen often.

This is a dumb Comment.

@@yourmomissougly No not Manbaby just you're average tiny man. Also I'm pretty sure I have a point, these movies are just dumb.

i hate incels

Ikr! I was straight up having gay panic over Huntress, who dares calling her unsexy?

@@monkydance2880 I hate misandrist comments made by women & men.

I actually heard a someone complaining that the villain was too much for them, over the top misogynistic and thus "unrealistic" apparently, because "no man acts like that", smh

@@ShersterQ I hope the person who said that is a woman who's never had those kinds of experiences in her real life. It would be nice to think there are such women.

@@jimballard1186 I'm so sorry, it was a man and I know him personally.

ive never been as terrified in a movie as I was in that dance club scene where he makes the girl take her clothes off

@@ShersterQ Disappointing, but not surprising. I'm sorry you had to deal with it, and for every similar bit of ignorance you've had to deal with.

YES! This so much XD

omg THIS

Whoa. No joke, this comment gave me goosebumps. Now I want to give this movie a real shot.

@@christinesilva9040 unus annus

@@jasminesloan5321 Let us remember these last days *cries* It will die but is shall live on in our hearts. Memento Mori Unus Annus

Its because black mask is a terrible villain would be much more fun to see him get tortured.

i couldn't watch that scene, but a big difference is that most of us won't have to fear that happenong, while many women have been in situation similar to those of the dancing scene. sexual harassment and assault are real threats that most women actually face and pretty much all fear, so we actually RELATE to it. being hung by the feet and having your head peeled like a banana - not so much

@@chickenx777 Sexual harrassment & assault is a issue everyone faces.

Basically what Chicken Mama said, not many people can relate to the experience of getting kidnapped by a supervillian and tortured but many, many people relate to the feeling of being sexually harrassed, assaulted and dehumanised. Sexual assault affects both men and women but it disproportionately affects women meaning that the target audience of the movie were presented with a situation a majority of them could relate to in some aspect. While the scene you mentioned is horrible and more lethal, the horror of seeing something that mimics a common trauma the audience knows is more bone chilling. Hope this helped!

what you just described it's an every day in Mexico bodies of men and women cut off in pieces, burned it kind of makes you less sensible and when i saw that part of the movie, i was just calm, not impressed as superman would say obviously not impressed but in a bad way

That was what I was thinking. Also it shows for me that they thought about the fight scene well. Harley isn't physicly as strong as the men she is fighting and she is fighting like it. Love it when movie makers actually think about how things would work realisticly.

It is a common self-defense technique that's really important.

Exactly! And for all the people that are like, go for the nuts! Guys guard that area damn near instinctively since childhood. Their neck area? Not so much.

Holy sh*t what kind of life are you going through? I'm glad you're still alive.

@@halfbloodprincess989 Haha. Now that I'm older I look back some times and realize "Welp. I guess that wasn't normal."

If Chris Nolan’s name was on it, it would be “layered and complex” and “rewards repeat viewing”, but because it’s a bunch of women it’s called “messy and confusing”.

I know i didn't give it a second glance purely because of how bad Suicide Squad was. That whole film felt like a meme it was so bad. I will be going to watch BoP now though.

@@drakinkoren same. I rolled my eyes when it was announced, thinking it would be 90 min of the David Ayer version of Harley purely for fanboy gawking. But i caught it On Demand and loved it!

@@drakinkoren see that and some other things were the problem. Unfortunately, it's related to Suicide Squad. Not to mention after all of the hyper realistic, heavy DC movies like Joker, people didn't want to give it a chance. I loved this movie. Saw it in theaters and it was a fun time. I wasn't going into the theater expecting a deep emotional film. I wanted a good time and Birds of Prey is nothing if not an actual BOP.

@@alisaurus4224 Me three; I only watched it because I had nothing else to do and I thought I'd pass a few hours watching a horrible Suicide Squad spinoff. Boy howdy was I wrong!

I saw a reviewer who said that "everyone fights the same, always kicking" and it felt like they hadn't even seen the movie

Yeah you're Comment is Bs, Men fear going outside by themselves too, Also this Movie is so dumb with it's Feminism making every woman a Victim, even Harley a unhinged lunatic is made into that, I hate this film it's literally Demonizing men.

@@venuslowe My Problem is "Women being the Heroes" Yeah I don't see that in this movie heroes of what?? Did they save the world?? Save a kitten or Save starving kids in africa?? No they just killed black mask that's about it. There's no real journey, No good Charecters, A shit ass Villain, There's no stakes & Movies like this keep getting made?? Propably because it gets congrulated for having nothing more then it's Feminist agenda who doesn't give a damn about art anymore or storytelling when everything is about Societal issues that people already hear about all the damn day on the news. First of all that Scene was dumb for many reasons If she likes that's fine, Also I agree sexual assault is awful Disgusting & evil. But no most men do not discredit women, women are listened too About issues way more then men, men are told they have no issues, Also both men & women have been abused by each other & the same gender, Being a Victim isn't Exclusive to being a certain gender.

@@elongatedmanforever1252 they’re antiheroes, like Deadpool? what superhero’s have saved starving kids in africa? batman? ironman? i don’t remember those movies or comics. did you not watch the same movie? Harley had her own character development, getting over the joker and learning to take care of herself. Huntress avenged her families deaths. They all came together in the end to keep Casandra from being murdered and stop Blackmask (who was trying to take over the city and was killing loads of people, if you missed that part because it was a man doing these things). You literally replied to a comment about a woman’s experience with “men have problems too” that’s not listening, that’s trying to put the spotlight onto yourself and trying to discredit a woman. Women are not listened to about issues more than men, that’s such bull shit. This movie doesn’t demonize men, that’s such a stupid take. The bad men in this movie are criminals, if you didn’t notice. There are also good men, like the guy who took Huntress to Sicily and the men that took care of her and trained her. Or Doc who helped Harley, sure he gave up her location but then Harley turned around and was going to do the same to Casandra, proving that this isn’t a “women are better than men” movie. This movie isn’t anti-men, or saying that all men are bad. Or even saying that the main characters are good people. If you seriously think that anything that supports women is immediately against men, then you need to figure out why you think that. Also the “feminist agenda” would also help men. I’ve seen more feminists (male and female) talk about the issues men face then people who are against feminism. if the only time you bring up issues men have is when people are talking about the issues women have, you don’t actually care about men, you just want to shut down women. also, great storytelling is relatable. no one enjoys unrelatable characters, how are you supposed to immerse yourself in a story you can’t understand?

@@venuslowe Wow you're just proving How dumb this movie is First of all I was joking with those things I'm just saying how The Charecters lack any Motivation, Harley Didn't change, If she did she would stop being a Criminal & help people in need but nope she's still a Villain, Also the other Charecters besides Black canary & huntress are So damn forgettable. Also I love how you're framing me as disliking this movie because it "supports women" also isn't a movie supposed to be Entertainment?? You're literally treating as a vehicle for Feminism that's weird & annoying people need to keep their Politics in CNN & in the real world, because this shit is only making people utterly miserable & less fun, it's why I'm glad The theater's are unavailable, Even though I loved them how Politcally Obsessed its gotten is a Problem & it's pissing a lot of people. Off.

@@user-cn6px4gr7o No Feminists nowadays are the Problem they want to Shut down men & anything that makes them mad, & their BS is Completely ruining entertainment, logic & Society in general they annoy me.

Always.

I know! I feel like more sapphics are attracted to fictional women when they’re actual people than men...

as a gay woman here................ agreed

she's my favorite part of the movie, that ball of rage

No asscrack make pp sad

this is a callout and i do not appreciate it

Sorry but she wasn't made for anyone, including gays...

@@WinstonPoptart dude are you even gay?

@Alex zees Huntress isn't lesbian...

THANK YOU!

luckily not everyone. the audience is simply divided to those who either love the film or hate it and those who hate it like to be annoyingly noisy

Make gaze is boss.

@@XmarmeladyX no its because the movie is hot trash.

@@elongatedmanforever1252 you are embarrassing yourself..

@@RandomSwiftie13 How exactly am I doing that?? All I'm doing is calling out nonsense.

No it won't.

Yes. It will.

Yuh , did u see what happened with Jessica's body I mean not that I'm complaining..

@@theimplications635 Nope.

@@astrotrain85tr70 you're right and it's boring comic book movie no character beyond harley is like the comic versions in anyway, huntress is just punisher as a women, cassandra is pick pocket and not shivas badass daughter, black canary is black mask's employee instead of super powered vigilante renee montaya is good tho

I saw an Instagram post once saying in the first movie she was dressed by/for the male gaze; push-up bra, t-shirt cut to show her body, "sexy" pigtails that frame her face.. And in this movie you can clearly see that she is on her own now; the messy self-cut fringe, fun clothes

NO TRUER WORDS HAVE BEEN SAID 💖

@@lara_xy Maybe the film industry has FINALLY discovered the concept of and decided to cater to the virtually Mysterious and almost mythical ✨Female Gaze✨ ????

@@shreyarishi2720 Yesss, the female gaze was experimented with a lot more over 2020, especially with period drama pieces like the Jane Austen remakes. So the focus is more on sensual things like hands and eye contact, and the idea of romance more than just plain sexualisation of men and women.

@@cece2859 exactly and it's so strange that it took us so long to realise the existence of 50% of the population of the world but it's fine, I think we are only going to move forward with this and honestly just imagine how many new things this opens up as an artist for everyone... As our mindsets and consumption of art shifts and becomes more inclusive 💖🤗

I think you are right... Or maybe the ones who didn’t see it as exciting couldn’t empathize with that woman because they never feared getting sexually abused

I’m not a woman however I am non-binary, as a non-binary I personally look androgynous so I am not free from the constant harassment women face. The reason I’m saying this is because I do understand the fear and disgust in this scene, I almost threw up and maybe what makes me even more scared if this was me is that I wouldn’t exactly have the desired private parts the harassers would want. Truly horrendous it’s a daylight villain to me.

also my apologies if there’s any incorrect grammar or something doesn’t make sense, the scene is just disturbing to the point where I can’t focus a bit

@@saso5096 I fear getting abused I'm a man.

I just wanna say that your feeling and fear is valid🖤

WAIT I DIDN'T FUCKING NOTICE THAT THAT'S SO FUCKING COOL

Really? Did Harley really get so easily over Joker despite him abusing her physically and mentally for such a long time? Or that somehow Cassandra Cain is just a random fat girl and not a trained assassin from birth? Or that black mask doesn't wear his mask at all because actor ego is again between accurate depiction. Why do they even bother portraying dc characters if they don't even depict them slightly accurate. Also they don't even use the birds of prey in the birds of prey movie. A lot less people had less problems with it if they just called it a harley quinn because the birds of prey don't show up and harley quinn was only twice in their comics when Cassandra Cain beat her up.

@@laisphinto6372 you sir are correct

@@laisphinto6372 These are character setting and not character personality. Harley in the comics have several interpretations, however, the movie bodies Harley's love for interaction. And Harley DIDN'T get Joker easily, she made ALL her mistakes because she can't get over Joker.

No you people dont read comics do you?? I doubt you're real fans.

As someone who has read a lot of Harley comics, this movie gave me HUGE Volume 3 (2016) vibes. Harley just trying to live her life and making friends in a hostile world. Volume 3 is my favorite Harley comic by a lot so its so great to see its influence in the movie

I loved how Harley used gymnastics moves in her fighting, and a more flowing style between moves that pulled the men off balance instead of standing toe to toe and winning by waif-fu.

Every part of this movie was made for women and it shows! It’s not perfect but I really enjoyed this movie.

LoL telling somebody weaker to attack somebody stronger that most likely is doing illegal shit for years. Is worst thing imaginable. Self defense in actually dangerous situation starts and ends at who can run the fastest. Unless somebody is some MMA fighter or something. If it would be so easy to randomly damage humans in fight all fighters in MMA and similar low-rules as well no-rules fights thingies would be doing it.

@@CzornyLisek the reason they teach throat jabs and eye gouges in self-defense classes is so you can gain a little more time to run away, or to distract an assailant so you can break their grip on you. Women are not being taught to attack large men, unless there is no other option.

@@CzornyLisek no one's telling small, underprepared women to knock-out strong, criminal men in unexpected situations. The whole point of self defense techniques is to 1. get rid of your attacker's hold and 2. do just enough harm to leave them behind when running away, even if just by a few seconds. And whats the other option anyway? If your attacker's holding you you should just let them keep going? Not try to defend yourself at all?

I thought I was going to throw up while watching it in the theater I was so horrified. However I was so happy that for once sexual violence wasn't made to be sexy and something to watch but a genuinely terrifying scene on par with or even more terrifying than Roman peeling off peoples' faces.

I watched it with my girlfriend, and we were angry and sad with that scene, I think we didn't talk about afterwards

I think that scene really did what it was mean to do. It made me sick and it made the ending so much more gratifying.

@@em01455 tbh i was enjoying the movie until he peeled that guys face off and then i was literally in a state of panic for the rest of the movie so i rlly did not take anything in after that

I also loved that everyone but him in the bar was super uncomfortable about it, didnt want to be there, and didnt think it was sexy either, they were all uncomfortable and scared, and the move meant it was something that could be turned on them too. It always feels like scenes like that always have background characters enthusiastically participating, and im glad that this one didnt. Everyone in there knew it wasnt okay.

That sounds like a great moment! I wish I could've been there haha

Yall have good taste keep it up

@@morriganbermejo4042 Lmao? Most of the women are deeply flawed in it too. Sorry the main characters happen to be women.

@@SandmanLibrary No the women were all perfect & The men were all bad & sexist morons who get killed, nuff said.

@@msk-qp6fn Terrible taste you mean.

They were selling the hand painted shorts and that shirt that says Harley Quinn on it at Hot Topic! I think the overalls might have also been part of that collection

Ikr, some men just don’t get it lol

Waaaaa Waaaaa harley isn't sexualised and margot isn't uncomfortable Waaaaa Waaaaa

Exactly! I would have Margot Robbie in overalls step on me any day. She’s plenty attractive without being overtly sexualized.

I actually found harley more attractive in her costumes in this movie and BOY was I gay for the huntress who hardly showed skin 😂

@@user-vt1zr9fo2c YES, Huntress was my Gay Awakening xdxd

Yes! I found the men scary right away, but then, I am a woman.

@@disgruntledmoderate5331 yea it’s crazy that being a woman has such such an effect on how you interact with media. We don’t consider that our perspective would be different if we were men.

Roman forced a girl to strip in public at knifepoint! How is that NOT terrifying?

I'm a female, but I found Black Mask to be a bitchy, petulant child. I wasn't scared of him, in the slightest. And Zsazs was done better in Gotham. To be fair, I guess, I've learned I'm atypical in most respects.

I was honestly confused when I heard the critique "he wasn't a villain for the first 75 minutes of the movie!" Wasn't he the villain for the _entire_ movie though??? What on earth did they mean? Was the stuff he did throughout the film not evil enough or???

I really loved the choreography of the fight scenes as well, they felt fun and fluid

God bless Chad Stahelski

I _adore_ the entire soundtrack. 10/10 an absolute banger

The best thing about it is that some songs and artist represents Harley's personality. In Diamonds, Megan thee Stallion represents Harley's tough side while Normani represents her soft side

And not in the clunky “HERE’s a song you like and HERE’s a song you like and HERE’s a song you like” way Suicide Squad did. While the songs are good as a playlist, that soundtrack was so jarring in the film

Yes! 10/10 would watch that

Hey, same profile picture.

@@clal8030 same hat!

100% I'd watch an entire series about this movie (and any movie someone is this passionate about, so twice as much interest in watching)

YES! A 1000 times YES to that. Pretty please!

No they wanted a good movie.

@@elongatedmanforever1252 I feel like I've seen you before

@@hamiltonians7235 I'm from the future.

@@elongatedmanforever1252 no they were mad about harley not being sexualized

@@euuda8267 No They & Me got mad because of Idiots screaming to the universe that they were Diverting this So called "Male gaze" also why is women being Sexualized a bad thing?? Male Heroes are like that all the time, funny how people bare okay with men being Sexualized like there's nothing Wrong with that but if it's a woman how DARE you!!!!

When Harley in Birds of Prey fought all the people in the police station it was "Unrealistic" (Even though this is DC where realism shouldn't be in the question) but in James Gunns Suicide Squad when she fought all those people it was called "Artistic" and "Creative" 😒

@@bratzbabe187 EXACTLY!!!

She's an incredibly incompetent and corrupt failure of a doctor though. She gave her violently insane patient a machine gun cause she wanted to have sex with him.

​@@andyrobin7196 Yes but through these types of actions we see someone that Harley could have been.

LITERALLY! I read the title of this video and felt immediately gratified 😅

Yes!

same here :,)

YES

Y'all are my people. I lowkey loved this movie and I felt guilty for being 1 in 100 to like it in a critic video of some sort.

Probably because the movie, you know, just sucked

@BL we? I'm black

Could have worked half as hard and done twice as good.

Rolled up sleeves and all lololol

I actually agree with ya

and it has pockets!!!!

my gay brain shut down im just saying like- hes very attractive and i cant handle it😳

@@salemsmith7085 I'm sure you will be fine :3

Wow you articulated what everyone was wondering perfectly

💯💀😆

cause gays cant be nerds........................sigh

@@serenityq26 yes because that’s obviously exactly what I meant.

@@electricfishfan7159 Same.

In hindsight he chose the worst example of a joke to dunk on cuz that setup and payoff is brilliant post WanadaVision.

lol he got unlucky to out of every scene to choose this one but to be fair who could've known there was gonna be a payoff 6 years later? 😭

Wu*****

Man, dude shouldn’t have touched Jimmy Woo, the most wholesome man in the entire MCU.

But this does go to his point about delayed pay-off of a joke.

I literally just laughed Cus it's supposed to be a joke Not a scene with depth Ya'll that over look that scene are the exact opposite of fans trying to justifiy the Martha scene

SAME

@@adolfogarzachaires394 it's the first movie I've ever cried about lossing a sandwich is a very depth screen

@@laralloyd7648 i get it I'm sorry for Your loss I might been rude our first encounter But since then, i had a character development and 3 arcs

Exactly..... I mean isn't the same factor make us hate umbridge much more than Voldemort. It's because we can see her in real world, in our lives

I also found that notion shocking. Like wasn't everybody uncomfortable and disgusted by that scene??

I don't think that they're not villany, but that they feel one-dimensional, i know that the scene where he makes a girl dance in a table and force the guy next to her to rip her dress can be pretty strong, but at last, it doesn't change anything in the rest of the movie (at least for me), that could have been a good plot point to develope him into a better villain, and give him some kind of reason of why he want's the diamond(if i can recal, his only reason was because of power, but why he wanted that power is what i'm reffering to), but it's just not used

@@tobiaslarosa8896 what do you mean, why does he want power? It's power. Everyone wants it in one way or another. Also, it does explain why he wants it, including in this video - he was abandoned and ignored by his father and he wants to prove himself. And he's a narcissist with no regard for human beings, which is exactly what that scene is supposed to show.

@@linasayshush oh, i didn't remember that, well, thanks for helpping me understand a bit more the character

Yooo, for real?! Thats wild

For me I wasn't even five yet. :)

@@fuzzybuzzy3159 I don’t remember how old I was but I was in nursery

@@fuzzybuzzy3159 I was ten :/ if only adults would've thought me confidence and self defence. I wouldn't have still have to talk to a therapist over a decade later

I was never taught this - when I looked for self defense classes in my area I could never found any and I think that's so fucking weird in a culture where we're bombarded with messages about watching our drinks, send a picture of your dates license plate to friends/tell them where you are, google a new partner to find out if they've been convicted of a violent crime, don't be out late at night by yourself... Ugh lol

This movie bombed because its terrible & agenda driven.

I have to ask, why on earth would you go *hiking* in PLATFORM HEELS!?

Going hiking in heels sounds like it would suck ass, I can barely walk normally in these things. How did you not die?

Wtf are you even talking about??

Nerds in particular. Like, remember the backlash to the announcement of the She-Ra reboot? "How dare anyone make a children's cartoon that isn't specifically for me, a 45-year-old man who honestly thinks that having watched the cartoon in the eighties entitles me to be the target audience for all future iterations on the concept!"

@@jimballard1186 I was thinking of the same thing!

@@jimballard1186 because the movie sucked

@@WinstonPoptart youve managed to find a large group of people who dont care please book it

@@jimballard1186 I KNOW RIGHT?! They’re all entitled mommy boys and it’s honestly kinda sad

"but still dressed like Harley is disappointing" His appearance is one of the best things about this video!! I *love* to see men casually cosplaying female characters, and he looks amazing

@@p0lyxena pretty sure they meant the fact that nobody was talking about him dressing up was what was disappointing.

​@@katherinemorelle7115 Oooops no wonder that sentence didn't look right when i was reading it... sorry OP, we're in total agreement

im a bi girl with adhd who dresses exactly like harley half the time they fucking nailed the outfits in this movie

and I fucking love every minute of that movie XD

Lmaoooo his mind beat up lollll

@@betty6785 Yeah dumbest fight scene in the X-men series in my humble opinion

Birds of prey was just garbage dude I'm not a x-men fan but theres definitely more effort in those movies then this shitshow.

@@elongatedmanforever1252 dude, we get it, you didn't like, can't you move on?

@@carolinapriano4657 I'll move on when people stop making awful superhero films that pander to weirdos, & make something good.

same, my homeboy and I were having a blast watching this shit

It was trash lol

@@gondar6181 compared to the corporate slop that the MCU has been making, it’s a godsend.

Ah yes, their agenda to be treated like people Edit: wrong their

Don’t sugarcoat your words. Those “geek boys” are incels.

What a soy boy

shhh you will summon them

Couldn't have said it better, litertally the only lame combat they come up with is "stupid feminists" like grow up will ya 🙄

Cringe

how so 🧍‍♂️

@@hotjuices2 because I'm not buying this social justice Nonsense it's annoying.

@@elongatedmanforever1252 Go cry about it, manlet

@@mrpresident1232 Lmao I will When this movie gets forgotten like the trash can it is.

Same with Captain Marvel. Ooh! & that your favorite video game is The Last Of Us Part 2. Either of those will probably give you the same reaction. Edit: Almost forgot The Last Jedi.

@@TeresaKinsley OMG yeah I always take a guy who doesn't like Captain Marvel and when asked for a reason they go silent as a big red flag.

@@TeresaKinsley I dunno because those are terrible games or movies?? That are filled with a aggressive anti-Male agenda?? honestly you people are so stupid smh.

@@RandomSwiftie13 Because its 3rd wave Feminist nonsense & I hate what it has turned into, I'm all for women having rights doing whatever they want & being there own woman but I'm not for misandrist crap & making movies to hate on men, like CM & birds of prey did I'll vote with my wallet & if I sense any bullshit agenda I'll spend my money elsewhere.

What?? That he doesn't want to be hated on because hes male?? That's what the people cathy yan & the people who wrote this trainwreck were selling honestly any self respecting guy will hate this piece if shit, & also women hated it too & didn't support it it's a box office flop it rightly deserves too.

Those men should be terrified of her unrealistic

Hopping in a bit late to agree with this: It levels the playing field more. Also, there's something fundamentally practical about finding a basic, easy technique that works and leaning on it

I was gazing at Huntress with heart eyes during most of her scenes. Her outfit is incredible and I loved her humor and awkwardness

@@mariongivhan4574 Yes it was hilarious! And I was absolutely simping for Harley in the whole movie, I absolutely want that wardrobe along with that confidence and fighting skills!

i adore margo robbie sm so the whole movie i was kind of just staring at harley. she looked so good even if she was a mess

or another perspective: they are not attracted to women and dont care about clothes like some loser

@@mariongivhan4574 I died when I realized that it was Ramona Flowers at the end because damn, guess my taste hasn't changed at all...

it's not really on par with spiderverse and it's kinda a bad superhero movie since the characters that were superheroes in the comics are nothing like those versions and get they have to change some stuff but turning cassandra from the most skilled hand to hand fighter in the batfamily to some pick pocket is dumb

@@ayman6733 care to let people enjoy things that they like instead of policing people on what they should or shouldn't like??

@@RandomSwiftie13 then let people don't like things ir they don't And care more about other opiniones than just classifed them as hate

Right? Jurnie Smollet in that crop top thing was ssssmokin’.

I was so attracted to all the women in this movie and I was honestly dumbfounded by the straight men who were complaining about their supposed lack of fuck-ability.

Right! All the women in this movie were extremely sexy, more so because there was intention behind it, they weren't just presented as pieces of meat with a push-up bra. Also, Huntress could step on me

give us the gotham city sirens we DESERVE hell yeah!

Speaking as a red-blooded cishet male who's straight enough to use as a ruler, any het man who looks at the ladies in this film and doesn't think they're hot (with the exception of Cassie Cain who is like, what, 13?) are blind, deaf, and most probably also dead. That said, I ~think~ that BoP might get a sequel. As I recall, it came out right on the cusp of the 'rona- and making $200 mil right before everything went to hell would be a good sign to greenlight a sequel, at least by my lights. That said, even if there was a Harlivy-themed sequel, we sadly wouldn't be seeing it for a long while. At least we've got the cartoon to tide us over, I guess.

We could write a pretty long list of great female-led and/or female-starring movies that were pooh-poohed at the time they can put, but were later realised as the works of art they always were. I’m adding Marie Antoinette to this list.

I hate to say it but I don't like Jennifer's Body. Not because of the female presence(I am a woman)but because of the writing of Jennifer. We're supposed to feel sympathy for her but we literally only got about ten minutes of her being mean. Also it has similar themes to Ginger Snaps which does it better so yeah.

@@user-jn1wm3tb8v I love Ginger Snaps too

It’s absolutely gonna be a cult classic.

@@katherinemorelle7115 write the list! ahaha

it had nothing to do with male gaze, the movie openly hated men and portrayed all of them negatively, of course men arent going to like a movie that doesnt represent them in any way other than showing them to be awful

@@andyrobin7196 okay so? We can only have female degenerates or male degenerates only to male characters. Thats bullshit

@@DeadPizza so a movie that portrays one gender exclusively negatively and one gender exclusively positively is a sexist movie. Can you even imagine this movie with the genders flipped? It would be called the most misogynist woman-hating movie of all time right?

At least men will know what it feels like.

yet there is an entire fight scene that exists just point out how great he's ass is, pretty in modern superhero movies men get sexualized a lot more with little to no subtlety

@empty shogun Yeah, sexualized men is a definite thing, but nobody every talks about it. It's like with the female characters, they _must_ cater to gazes and it's gonna be called out if they don't.

@@emptyshogun6194 the one fight scene where they talk about captain America's ass is definitely equivalent to the development of the male gaze over the entire history of film

​@@emptyshogun6194 Maybe, but many times when a guy is being objectified in a movie, it's usually what a male director thinks a guy being objectified would look like, and less what an actual objectification of a guy would be like. A good example is the difference of the 1st and 2nd movie of 50 shades of grey (hate the movie, and the book, but it's a good example), it changes from female directors in the first movie, to a male director in the 2nd, and since the main point is the hot rich guy, in the 1st movie he's more objectified, and in the 2nd he's shown more powerful, strong, less shirtless, etc., so it's in a way that men see as good, but not necessarily what women would ogle at.

Interesting

@@elongatedmanforever1252 Literally one of the first things I was taught in self defense. If you can get in a nice jab to the throat, you're attacker will be too busy trying to breathe so you can get away. Very effective.

That's exactly what I thought when that was pointed out! It's interesting how many of the women who saw this video noticed that more than the men, oh wait, women predominantly are more in need of self defense than men! How did I forget that basic fact lol 😂😂 P.S. no shade on you, just radiating negative vibes in general because of some previous dumb ignorant comments I read above.

I thought the same thing!! I thought he was gonna mention that, but then started talking about it as a metaphor 😅😅

That is the exact feeling I had watching the 2016 Ghostbusters. "Is this what straight guys feel like in the movie theatre? THIS FEELS AWESOME!" It's such a rare thing for us to experience a movie specifically made to make US feel badass, and that's so frustrating.

I love this! I felt the same, it's got THE best and the MOST interesting fight sequences in a DC Universe film (for me, personally) bc of the locations, pacing and stunts, it feels like a real powerhouse film for women and I want more of these types and if no one will make them then give me a few years and I will bc holy shit I loved this film sm

YES

exactly this!

@LokiTetch "positive", you mean sexualised and one-dimensional

In fact, I'm gonna suscribe!

ohh I missed the ContraPoints ref

im gonna be really honest here, that part of the video made me sit up a lil you know?

the little girl is watching an r rated movie every day with brutal gore torture and swearing?

​@@andyrobin7196 hey, i watched r rated films as a little girl, and i turned out fine

No, the movie sucked

@@WinstonPoptart No, it didn't.

There's rumors of a Birds of Prey 2 with Poison Ivy and Barbara Gordon's Oracle joining in the mix. Not so sure about its relevancy since the info I saw came from CBR but it's been said that Margot wanted Harlivy to grace the screen so...maybe.

@@camrolls3144 yeah gotham city sirens supposedly hope they do i love this movie. For me it was funny i love the action and how it was a bit gory with the face peeling i just though it made roman more sinister and funny. And something about seeing women kick guys ass for once is fun. Im not feminist dont even make that comment and love male lead movies too (winter soldier one of my faves) i just find it more entertaining

@@camrolls3144 we really need another Poison Ivy!

Right! The entirety of Goodfellas is narrated and that doesn’t bother the filmbros.

@@alaskanwave idk is that the same. Goodfellas had an in plot reason for why there was narration

@@MrRandomerz as if harley’s entire character doesn’t allow her to be narrator of her own story

@@mariebunn45 still doesn’t make it any less lazy. It’s lazy when dead pool does it as well and again not used in the same way Goodfellas was

@@MrRandomerz It’s not lazy lol it’s a storytelling technique that people *often* use due to laziness. But it’s not always lazy and still a reliable technique. And having experience writing unreliable narrators I can say it’s not anywhere near lazy-they made their jobs harder actually.

I couldn't agree more. This scene goes underappricated even by the media reviewers who give the film more tacid support. It's very uncomfortable and affective.

That scene was Stupid

@@elongatedmanforever1252 I'm curious, have you ever been in a weaker position and someone do something that not only humiliated you, but made you terrified on a deeply psychological level? I guarantee every woman watching that scene shuddered. "I will make you do this because I CAN and no one will stop me, even if I drag you out this room by the hair after you're naked." It makes you feel terrified and humiliated by your own powerlessness. And it's something that could conceivably happen to anyone, versus a man in a giant robot suit with his foot on your neck. Would you understand it better if he had made a man at the table stand on it and take off his clothes while everyone stood by and stared because they were too scared, too powerless to do anything?

@@atroposz Lmao if that were vice versa, & it was a man dancing for Black mask, People would be laughing, & Telling him to "man up".

The bad guy was bad.

@@damaskito he was a insecure Dudebro, LAME

Villains IRL don’t wear leather suits and roar things like “I AM YOUR DOOOOM!” They could definitely torpedo your promotion, trap you in a job you hate through subtle physical threats, treat you as disposable to impress their boss...

I’ve seen a lot of male reviewers saying that the villains were too ridiculously misogynistic. Like damn, I wish I lived in your optimistically blind world where you don’t notice all this shit that almost every woman goes through.

apparently he thinks huntress ordering chinese food is funnier

@@ayman6733 I mean I laughed... I love Wandavision but when I saw that moment I was like "Ah , Ant-Man & Wasp reference" in my head , but I didn't find it funny tbh just interesting-

Thank you for that insight about Captain Marvel. I'd never been able to figure out what about that movie bugged me. This gave me the perspective I need to figure it out on a rewatch.

literally the whole point of Captain Marvel is that she shouldn't have to prove herself. "I have nothing to prove to you" is the most pivotal line in the film. And you say it's about "superpowered individuals punching a god and "proving themselves".... jesus fucking christ, do people not pay attention to what they're watching? You're no better than the men who get mad she didn't "EaRn HeR PoWeRs!"

@@jimballard1186 Except her points make no sense, literally the whole point of Captain Marvel is that she shouldn't have to prove herself. "I have nothing to prove to you" is the most pivotal line in the film. Yet she says it's about "superpowered individuals punching a god and "proving themselves".... jesus fucking christ, do people not pay attention to what they're watching? This is no better than the men who get mad she didn't "EaRn HeR PoWeRs!"

@@Fantallana you're allowed to like the film. I enjoyed it at the time and I'm as mad at men who criticised it in bad faith as you are. But it still stands that she's extremely OP and even if she doesn't /have/ to prove anything, she still does. She still beats him. Anyway I don't want to get into an argument over Captain Marvel. I'm just explaining why BoP resonated with me much more because of its emphasis on women's solidarity. If you love CM, good for you.

@@Fantallana I agree Carol doesn't have a damn thing to prove to anyone. I think that ending is brilliant, subverting the tired toxic male dominance games while also being a meta middle finger to the trolls who were dragging the movie before they ever saw it. Neither do I have a problem with her not "earning" her powers; my favorite comic character is Superman, who earns his powers even less than Carol does. I think (and I say "I think" because I haven't fully sorted out my feelings yet) my problem is the character just feels a bit cold to me. She's so isolated from everyone else, in a way that feels unbelievable... but I buy that her standing too close to a magic rock will turn her into a super-saiyan, so maybe the problem is less with the movie than me. I dunno. I'm still sorting it out.

Ha! what alpha males they r mostly a hairy blob of lard that lived in their parent's basement

I like to remember that the whole alpha theory was disproven, it's like extra proof that even when they think they're being "scientific" about it, they're just full of crap.

@@Kyss111 like you?

@@WinstonPoptart I'm a girl, what?

@@WinstonPoptart You pop up everywhere but don't offer anything of value. Say something that is constructive and sn't coated in ten layers of salt next time.

Wtf are you saying male directors would sexualize assault?? "Also what are you do you mean by this is a movie where women & men who aren't terrible needed"??

I really felt that scene. Reminded me of a time when I was about to eat the last slice of pizza, got it on my plate, and then tripped. Pepperoni all over the floor. Heartbreaking.

@@j0br017 Oof, I just felt that in my soul...

Remember, that sandwich caused this whole movie. The happy ending wasn’t the Birds of Prey saving Gotham. It was Harley finally getting her sandwich

@@fruitygarlic3601 I did too, it’s so good. Harley has good taste... in food, not men 😂

You never take a drunks morning cure. That's the rule especially when it's a sandwich

Umm....BvS made more money because it was supposed to be DC's civil war. Two of the most iconic characters facing off against each. Llus a bonus appearance from Wonder Woman. Compared too Harley Quinn running around with a bunch of characters that are barely known by general public.

You don’t think it has something to do with the fact that it’s name includes the two most known superheroes ever and literally nobody knows what birds of prey is except comic books fans from 80’s/90’s? Honestly how many women in your circle read comic books growing up? The sexism was already there, making a movie that was kinda bound to fail when talking about male gaze to promote a beautiful breakup movie. It’s like talking about steamboats when promoting Titanic.

I love how "actual problems 50% of the population faces" is "feminist agenda", but "unrealistic portrayals of toxic masculinity" is supposed to be somehow free of any ideology

@@kaingates you aré like that guy who justified excluding female characters saying the fans of the franchise aré 99% boys. I'm pretty sure girls fans of Transformers aré more than the 1%. Same with comics. But they couldn't show their interest freely.

@@Harleyxjokerforever not to mention BVS came out at a time when the DC film universe wasn't as devisive as it is today, and the biggest criticism of the film before BVS was just that Superman kills at the end of his movie. A

She was shown doing roller derby earlier in the film, so she's clearly very comfortable maneuvering in them 🤷‍♀️ got a lotta practice

It’s scary that the scene doesn’t always shift in other movies. Like it’s filmed to be almost enjoyed... horrible

I LOVED that scene. It was more horrifying and visceral than even the face skinning scene. And when Black Canary had those quiet, helpless tears... that was exactly my mood, too. Fuck.

Same, same!! Violence in a way that makes you want to turn away instead of seeing more. Love it!

The tone shifted in such a way that male audience members were uncomfortable with how the scene highlighted what they do to women on a day-to-day basis and how the naked woman is what they wanted to see in this film and they didn't get it. It was well shot and I'm happy to have seen some actual men squirm.

That scene made me want to leave the theater. And that's what I want those kind of scene's to do! Not the fake, cringe shit

that is so interesting! i hadn't thought of that

Wow! Now I want a Chris Messina led Zsasz emancipation movie. And a for-no-reason-dance-break in the film is here-by mandatory. Because Messina dancing is just delicious!

@@ginao6810 sadly i think he's a bit too dead lol

@@lucyandecember2843 Since when has a character's death prevented the creation of more stories about them? Especially in the world of comics!

Well, if it was a good movie, it might not get hate

@@VulcanGray Well that's objectively untrue. I know all your friends and all the RU-vidrs who you take your cues from said that it was single worst thing to happen in all cinema, but it just isn't.

@@VulcanGray “might” not get hate. Cause everything gets hated on, whether it’s good or bad, you would be hard pressed to find a show or film without at least ONE bad review.

@Glenna Smith oh sorry, must have misread it 😅

@@dildonius Okay, fine, I'll become the begrudging recipient of your ire. I don't this movie, here's why: 1.Harley never displays any agency of her own, coasting of her ex's reputation and only taking action when forced to, this could be interesting except that she shows no character growth 2.They took Harley 2 (from the comics) and gave her the superficial characteristics of Harley 1 (name, origin story, hyenas) while retaining the core character of Harley 2 (dependent, superficial, unintelligent, useless). In addition, they kept Harley 2's costume, and in a movie from a clearly feminist perspective, it seems weird that the only superficial characteristic that comes from Harley 2 is the one that makes her look appealing to men. 3.The plot was slow. Like, really slow, like, the title characters only come together at the very end of the movie slow, you can do this well, they didn't. 4.The depiction of sadomasochism in the villan/assistant dynamic and it's implicit commentary on the sadomasochism in gay culture is particularly worrying, and a very sensitive issue to just bring up and use haplessly. I'm not going to comment on this further, because I'm not familiar enough with the wider gay culture to determine how offensive or insensitive this is, but suffice to say, I think there is definitely some fucky shit going on there. 5. The police station scene. The whole fucking thing. It was so bad, there was no point to it, they could've done a million other (read: better) things from a writing perspective and from a directing perspective, it just feels like a needless attempt at capitalization on the recent success of R rated superhero movies. 6.This is gonna be it cause I'm tired, but there are so many needless social issues just thrown in, black canary HAS to be in an abusive relationship with a pimp, Montoya HAS to be suppressed by the misogynist police dept, and the young thief HAS to be homeless and orphaned. And the movie doesn't even send a message to empower these groups directly or tell society how to better treat them, it just throws them in and says "there's you're one-dimensional fictional analogue, now fuck you and pay me". Tackling too many social issues can kill movies with actually good writers and directors, but in this? Poor piece of shit never had a chance. There are movies that do this right. Wanna talk about the suppression of women by authority figures? Try the VVitch, societal messages influencing men to abuse women? Better Watch Out (sorry that a lot of these are horror movies, I've been on a bit of a binge recently. I literally know a single gay furry porn comic that explores homelessness, abusive relationship dynamics, pimping/prostitution, and mental illness better than this movie, and that's not an exaggeration or distortion of the truth whatsoever. You're allowed to like this movie, I don't care, but the social change that it purports to want to effect is pushed backwards by its mere existence and success.

Or the movie just sucked

You guys voted. You did it. YAY! (I'm British, so obviously I had to wait on the sidelines)

@BL I am really glad that at least SOMEONE tries to stop this simplification and generalisation that "men didn't like the movie because it didn't cater to them/portrayed characters as sexy/ect bullshit strawman reason". SOME did, not everyone. Is it really a fight for justice when you shun people for not liking the movie ONLY because it has a social message? "Social message good, movie bad" is an opinion too, you know.