Ironic that the Joker kicked her ass ,at the box office.This is what id expect form a side kick getting their own movie,Not like id be itrested in seeing a Nightwing /Robin movie or one about Batmans butler Alfred.
Jędrzej Dumania It's only when it's serious that it's a problem. I'm not being sarcastic there. In John Wick or Birds of Prey, it doesn't really matter, because it's not really pushing any kind of violent agenda intentionally or unintentionally. As much as I liked Joker and feel that it doesn't glorify violence, because it treats its world and setting seriously, there will always be criticism for that because it has more potential to be meaningful to the outside world.
@Jędrzej Dumania Ok, come on. No one ever levelled this criticism at any Marvel movie before this point, and plenty of fans levelled it at Man of Steel. Joker actually does explain why Arthur goes down that path which can be seen as a glorification of violence, whereas all other comic book movies simply use violence without any thought or impact. There is a very clear distinction between those two and pretending this is another instance of “SJW BAD” is simply hypocritical.
the difference was that she was dressing and being the "villain" herself. Nothing she did anymore was to get the Joker's attention which was her main personality in Suicide Squad. They gave her a real identity instead of being Joker's "pet".
I love how DC/WB's deliberate attempts to create long-running franchises have largely been failures, while a movie intended as just a one-off throwaway film (Joker) ended up being their biggest critical and commercial hit.
@@user-iz7km4zl5k No I basically agree, people like her because she's hot. She's average at best with regards to actually acting. She was pretty good as Harley in Suicide Squad (I haven't watched the trainwreck reviewed in this video) but, let's face it, quirky manic-pixie girl is the low hanging fruit of female roles. Cara Delevingne (June Moon) was a much more impressive actor in that movie as far as performance goes.
I find it hilarious and sad that Aquaman. AQUAMAN is DC's highest grossing film. BvS didn't do it, Justice League wished it could but no, Aquaman did because it's a solid movie with a likable hero
Yes, unfortunately a common recipe in bad action/fantastic/sci-fi movies now : take bland, uninteresting, inconsistent main characters, how try to make them look bad-ass : easy, just water-down the enemies. As you said, it doesn't work.
The "bad guy" should've been just Batman. Bruce is just a better candidate for someone like Harley to deal with. He's a beast in combat, and is cooler than black mask. Heck even WW is a good "villain", even though she's OP. Missed opportunity imo. Switch out canary or huntress for Catwoman and poison ivy. Remove the kid entirely. Have 4 sexy DC females trying to make a living, while batman is trying to stop them. Because he's batman.
@@MrREAPERsz At least for the Batman part I agree. Plus it might even give Harley and mates some sort of tragic sympathy, since well Batman is not that quid and rightful so his own "preys".
Being a woman myself and having been in a lot of all female fandom groups and thus seeing all sorts of fandom ladies, I think I know who the intended audience is for this film. It's the kind of woman who sees/hears about the film, says, "It's so cool that they have an all female cast in a Superhero movie! It makes me proud to be a woman." And then goes to think about other things without ever bothering to see the film. I don't think the studios took the second part into account.
Studios seem to overestimate the value of social media interactions. 1.000 fans making 20+ minute videos talking about their passion + 1.000 fans going on and on about their theories for where the characters will go next mean *a lot more* than 10.000 retweets, which are *free, limitless and take no time to do* . How much activism would we see if there was a daily limit of hashtags? If instagram had a subscription fee? If retweets costed a single cent? If to "like" a post you had to endure a harrowing 2 minutes marathon of captchas? Studios reboot and make sequels precisely because the existing fanbase gives their risk averse arses some assurance of a return of their investment, but then they hire activists whose confirmation biases make them misunderstand social media and not only do they canibalize the universe to pander to an entire new target audience, but they childishly double down on their activism by lashing out against criticism from the very fans that enabled the entire venture to begin with. It's even rougher on tv where "watching" means "watching *as it premiers* ", not "binge watch it one week later at 1.25 speed" and *that* implies commitment beyond what most social media activists are willing to put
They've a ready made excuse, as with this movie. Failure was the result of men/patriarchy. Which was the excuse for this movies financial failure. They blamed men for being sexist and not turning up to watch it.
A similar story, a famous feminist writer for a national newspaper was ranting about how female soccer players should get paid the same, mysogeny, patriarchy etc etc. The interviewer asked the obvious question, as pay is linked to viewers/attendance had the journo ever been to a female soccer game? Silence and sheepish 'no'.
Thing is, you can't actually separate Harley from Joker's reputation. She rides off the Joker's fame because he was the one who manipulated and brainwashed her to become Harley in the first place. Trying to turn her into an independent woman makes as much sense as Batwoman trying to justify Batman taking all the credit away from her image while she runs around in a modified hand-me-down suit of his.
The thing that gets me is that the line is not even in show. In the show she actually liked that Batman was taking all the credit. It wasn't until she fucked up that she realise that Batman would also get the blame for any mistakes she made. That's why she change the costume and took on the Batwoman name. The line was added to the trailer for woke points.... And like... Why?
@@Sin-kj9qt oh man, lol it looks like when I read about the emperor shooting lighting bolts to the sky in the recent star wars movie, I had to download a "Chinese version" to see it, because it sounded unbelievable. Now I will have to that again... Shitting diamonds... Damn
I seem to remember another movie where a crucial character swallows a diamond. Oh yeah, and a squeaky toy!! That character was a lot smarter and potty trained, though. He also had better lines. "Do you know what Nemesis means? A righteous infliction of retribution, manifested by an appropriate agent, personified in this case, by a horrible bunch of cunts! Them!"
When you were talking about Harley being an unreliable narrator, it dawned on me that every man being dumb and every girl being glorious could've been used to represent how she sees the world, with her being fabulous, while every man she encounters being just the worst because they all gotta be like the Joker (and any and all other exes) who dumped her. This would not be that bad of an idea for her character, at least this version of her. Thing is though, it just doesn't work as a basis for a full movie. It could work for a single scene, perhaps recounting a scene that the viewers have already seen - but painting it in a completely over the top way when she narrates it, where every man looks really bad, while she looks as amazing as possible. This way, with viewers seeing the clear difference between what actually happened and how she narrates it, it would actually highlight her being heartbroken, angry and bitter towards Joker, and projecting those feelings onto every other man around her. But fuck that, that would make her into at least somewhat of a relatable character. Who needs that, when you can have *the message,* amirite?
That sort of warped perceptions-living euphemism kind of thing has been tried, in Suckerpunch. Another all-chick, action-heavy movie that was actually thought-through and fairly clever. And it bombed. The most common complaint I heard was 'it didn't make any sense.' It did, but it was (like I said) buried in warped perceptions and euphemisms; frankly, it was too smart for its audience.
That’s because Ripley wasn’t designed to be a male nor female character but...just a character. So she comes off as genuine in that way since she wasn’t designed to to be a man or woman. But just a good character.
Not really, people just think she's stupid, that's why she can get away with it, since compared to what Bane or Joker can cook up, she's just a child putting a whoopee cushion on her teachers seat (I mean have you read the comics? She's literally more of a side character)
@@nutsandbolts1264 yes, I have read comics. She's a side character most of the time, yes, but she is also a killer. A killer who has committed unforgivable crimes alongside of the Joker lmao but some people either ignore that fact simply because she's a woman, or they don't even know
@@turtlecat9445 It's more over the fact that they don't take her seriously, she's harmed alot of people, but all for joker, and in this movie (as horrible as it is) she's sorta fighting against other bad guys As compared to Punchline who actually is batshit insane, and straight up harms for pleasure
@@nutsandbolts1264 okay, but she's still basically a villain. Doesn't matter if it was "all for the Joker", that doesn't excuse her actions. I honestly don't understand stand the point of your comment, though. What are you trying to prove? That one villain is worse than the other? I already know that. The point of my comment is, that some people seen to forget that Harley Quinn is still a villain, despite some writers trying to push for the Venom and Deadpool route, which, in my opinion, doesn't work well for a character like Harley Quinn.
@@turtlecat9445 My point is that, Yes, there are worse villains, it's *Gotham* people are use to things like that, saying that Harley Quinn is a villain isn't really something to make a big deal about it There's still much worse than a girl with a hammer and other people who are crazy, and let's not forget that this is a work of fiction, Harley is more of an obviously fake character People don't make a big deal about it since it's not
Why does the feminist fantasy of the perfect woman, mimic to the "T", the stereotype of the alpha male...the same stereotype that they're always complaining is "toxic"?
To quote Knuckles from Sonic Boom: “Anytime someone calls attention to the breaking of gender roles, it ultimately undermines the concept of gender equality by implying that this is an exception and not the status quo.”
Two the actual flying fuck did a animated echidna from a kids show about anthropogenic animals fighting a guy who builds robots and is called EGGMAN, manage to single handedly tell all feminist that they're dumb, WHILE TELLING AMY A BETTER FEMINIST ( a feminist with young povs) TO SHUT UP
It`s hilarious how this movie preaches about a man stealing a woman`s work, when that's exactly what Birds of Prey is doing: it's a movie riding on the coattails of popular male characters in the DC universe, starring a character who is only popular because of her relationship to a much bigger male character.
plus, it makes no sense. Part of the sick tragedy of Harley Quinn is how she is solely defined by him, driven insane my her misplaced love and willing to do and put up with horrific things to gain his praise. To quote the Arkham games, "This makes her another one of Joker's victims, abiet a very dangerous one." Plus, the whole thing about Joker stealing the credit is bs. Joker's such a dangerous villain because HIS plans are unique to him alone. Only he knows what his next goal will be, how depraved it is, and how to accomplish it in ways not even batman can predict. And what makes is worse is that he's good at it, with the consequences often being devastating, even if he's beaten by batman at the end. Harley is a lapdog at best. The idea of her coming up with the plans is laughable. You want a female mastermind? go watch queen's gambit (I've heard its good)
@@hollowshield2315 Absolutely. This is the sort of stuff people are complaining about when they talk about "forced" diversity and "forced" gender pandering. It's not that there's a woman in charge, it's that the direction of the work makes zero sense and has clearly been warped entirely around the genders of the character. It's a bad story, and it is bad BECAUSE they cared more about pushing a gender message than they did about writing a good story or respecting any of the characters. Like you said, when a story with strong female characters in the lead comes out that's GOOD, like Queen's Gambit, all those alleged "hordes of sexist racist manchildren" are nowhere to be found and the series gets overwhelming support. It's all corporate PR bullshit, pure and simple: "if we call critics sexist or racist, and cherry-pick a few shitty comments from trolls (or write their own) to 'prove' it, we can bully anyone who doesn't like, buy, and vocally support our shoddy product!" Imagine if other industries worked like that, like you bought a chair on Amazon and it fell apart so you gave it a one-star review and suddenly Jeff Bezos was in the news calling you an entitled bigot, and a bunch of half-wits were clapping him on and insisting the falling-apart chair had wonderfully subverted everyone's expectations about sitting down and that all chairs from now on should fall apart.
na come on, this is not true. she was in a full cast of males but her character standed out for good reasons : she was feminine, in love, technically didn’t hurt anybody in the su.cide squad, she was funny, she was relatable and touching with her love story. there was a huge hype for her, and her particularly after the movie. that’s why they did this film here, but ofc they couldn’t just keep it that way, and had to rewrite everything that made her interesting to force their propaganda. this is another story though
@@crimberlies She's just honestly a really hard sell. Sad to say she's interesting BECAUSE of her fucked-up relationship to the Joker. When they try to sell her as some kind of relatable role model instead of a victim, she just loses what makes her interesting. She just sort of becomes a lol-so-randum type character, and they're rarely interesting on their own because she is just so loud and in your face non-stop. It's draining. What she needs, if they want to sell her as more of a relatable role-model type character, is to put her beside a more dry and grounded character in a buddy-buddy type movie. It's why Harlequinade, the BTAS episode where she and Batman team up, or Harley's Holiday, where she accidentally commits a crime and ends up on an adventure with the daughter of that psychotic general, are so good, because they give her much more serious characters to play off of. Hell, Harlequinade has one of the funniest moments with her ever: she's just going completely bonkers, Robin asks "what was she before she went crazy?" and Batman just very matter-of-factly answers "A criminal psychologist" hahaha
You know, That giant chemical explosion would have also been a great way to get Batman to come down and stomp your ass too. But I guess that's not in the script either.
No guys, no. You just don't get it. It's a strong womanly film made by and for strong women. So naturally all the men are loud brutish idiots that couldn't possibly suspect a woman of doing such things. Batman clearly thinks Joker blew up the chemical plant, so their having a fight about it off screen. Or Batman is at home washing his tights, one of the two.
As a young woman who isnt a feminazi, I’m really over all these “feminist” movies. They don’t represent me either, and I’m supposed to be the target audience 🤦♀️
I’d love to see this movie with the gender roles reversed. Watching the media meltdown over how sexist it is would of been hilarious. No one would ever dare to do it though. Just imagine…
@@JonathanGaeta Yeah, they tried using incredibly deceitful tactics to sabotage 'Sonic''s box- office performance before it even premiered, but they failed, and 'Sonic' completely spanked 'Turds of Prey' in the box- office. Truly a case of good triumphing over evil.
Harley Quinn works a lot better as a supporting character in other films or shows like Batman and Suicide Squad. And while the cartoon show managed to pull off Harley Quinn doing her own thing as a major character, it still had to go the 'Rick & Morty' route with the meta and deconstruction in order to make it work. To do a live-action film set in the DCEU with her as the main character, it was bound to fail.
I found the fight scenes with Harley Quinn to be..."believeable" enough. But Black Canary, Montoya, and Huntress clearly didn't even receive any kind of fight training, or STAGE fight training for that matter. Their punches look so awkward.
Mary Elizabeth Winstead had done fight choreography before in scott pilgrim vs the world and she was great plus she's done ballet before. The problem is more likely that this movie didn't put much effort into her choreography because she has such a small and quite frankly useless part in the movie.
Well, in the comics, Black Canary is one of the DC universe's premiere martial artists. She hardly ever uses her sonic scream because it's so destructive. Of course, this character doesn't bear much resemblance to the Black Canary of the comics.
I went to see _Sonic The Hedgehog_ in the theater less than a week before the Governor locked down the state. Though I admittedly went at a bad time and the viewing was understandably low (early on a Monday), purely out of curiosity I stuck my nose in the unattended door of the screening room next door for _Harley Quinn._ And I was tickled to see that not only did _Sonic_ have far more audience in it for the time of day I went, but _Harley Quinn_ had _no one_ in the seats- the movie was literally playing to _an empty room._ (I wonder where the projectionists went off to, that they didn't just turn it off? Or maybe whoever bought a ticket had walked out before I stuck my nose in?)
Says you! You Cis white male that needs to check his privilege and stop being so threatened by all these strong women!! Did I say that right? Gotta practice, I live a short drive from Portland Oregon and Seattle so it’s only a matter of time before these sjws are marching around and building concentration camps like socialist/fascists that came before.
It's even sweeter because the butthurt 'Turds of Prey' SJW fanatics tried to sabotage the 'Sonic' movie before it even premiered by posting a bunch of fake reviews of it on social media claiming that it contained racist and/ or homophobic content (Again, the movie had not even premiered yet when they started doing that) and saying that they then took their kids to 'Turds of Prey' instead and had a much better time. In spite of that incredibly deceitful tactic, 'Sonic' still managed to completely crush 'Turds of Prey' in the box office. Truly a case of good triumphing over evil.
@@oussdrif6501 Unfortunately, few people in our societies will try and teach them that real world just doesn't work like that. They will have to learn it by themselves, the hard way. Sad...
@Ork Trukk Drivah Sadly that happens yes. And I've heard of / read far sadder stories still. Because, with a crushed face, you can still have plastic surgery. Death, or even some body / brain damages, are irreversible though.
I'll never forgive them for what they did to Cassandra Cain. The daughter of the two most dangerous assassins alive (David Cain and Lady Shiva), a mute fighter who is able to read body movements so precisely that she can tell if someone is lying to her by their breathing. Someone so dangerous that Bruce himself admitted that Cassandra would likely kill him if they fought hand to hand. Not to mention she has the coolest fucking Batgirl suit that makes her look like a literal phantom. Instead, we got edgy Rose Tico.
the people who made this probably didn't do research..just looked up random dc characters' names then *pooof* make up a character background from shit.
Here's the thing everyone's been through a breakup it's really not that special and lots of people have left abusive situations as well. This is basically a 109 minute movie where you watch someone who is highly self-destructive and unstable childishly get over a breakup. In turn she's entirely defined by her breakup instead of by herself. She's still being defined by the relationship she had.
Exactly. I'm surprised that anyone else thought about this or that this comment don't have any more likes. I might say that if you want to portrait someone as strong and over the relationship, you portrait them as not giving à damn about their ex. She still use clown related gadgets, blow up the place when they dated and she's still hateful toward him. When you're over someone, you just don't care about that person anymore, no matter what they say or do. She's portrayed as if he gave her à call, she will run back to him without questions. She's still in the relationship without being in the relationship and look like someone who's still spitefull to have been dumped. So all mens are obviously evil and ennemies because she's still hurting badly to have been dumped. She make me think about one of my Ex, that was trying to have a reaction in doing all kinds of nonsense. She was more angry that I didn't give her any attention than anything else because I didn't care about her anymore and it was hard for her ego. Edit 2: english isn't my language.
the thing with the john wick guy being brought in to do the action scenes is hilarious... its like the hollywood equivalent of a "strong, independent" woman needing a man to open a jar of pickles for her...
Margot Robbie always seems smug to me, a bit like Brie Larson. Where's the poise and charm of stars like Helena Bonham Carter, Linda Hamilton, Sigourney Weaver or Helen Mirren in superhero movies? Instead we get "hard hitting" barbie dolls who just aren't convincing as badasses (except Elizabeth Olsen, who I adore!)
As a woman I tend to enjoy recent movies with male protaganists and often relate to them more than female protaganists. The reason being that in todays age movie makers, most often female writers/directors etc, make the female protaganists so OP, perfect and boring that I want them to lose while the male protaganists are actual characters I can root for.
@@slee2167 Yall be really corny as hell saying that to women who happen to have different opinions from the crowd of oestrogen. Edit; kinda misogynistic of you 💀
I remember going to a comic con a few years ago, and like every third girl there was dressed up as Harley Quinn. Then I had a Facebook who every day would post several Harley Quinn themed memes an hour all day long... almost as if she actually believed herself to be that person. I always enjoyed the character, but have grown tired how she has been coopted by so many people that think liking her or identifying with her somehow makes them more interesting.
Can go through a police station and take down big henchmen on her own, but later on, she has trouble fighting a drunk police woman. Plot armor when it's convenient.
The police station scene was so freaking ridiculous. In real life and a real police station, Harley's bleached- blonde head would have been blown off in no more than about fifteen seconds. As soon as she fired her stupid confetti- cannon thing once (And in a police station, to boot), under standard police protocol, she would be deemed an armed and active threat, meaning that the dozens of remaining officers in the station would be considered fully justified in using lethal force to take her down. She'd be riddled with more bullets than Bonnie and Clyde combined!
"The script is actually kind of an interesting insight into the minds of present-day feminism when you think about it: a protagonist that's self-destructive, narcissistic, violent, unstable, selfish, and refuses to take responsibility for her actions, lashing out at the world where every single man is portrayed as the enemy." Critical Drinker (10th of February 2020) Outstanding!
I don't know who is really the guy behind the critical drinker alias.. But for sure this guy knows how to write things that make sense. Did you remember his conclusion when reviewing The star war sequels trilogy? Awesome!
Women do need to be careful they don't buy it,, a man will mentally dismantle a woman in seconds and she wont know she's even been mentally dismantled.
Actually, Black Canary, while horribly miscast in this movie, is a very competent fighter. She's not superhuman except for her sonic scream. She's also never lost a fight to Batman.
Your critique is pretty much spot on. A WAY WAY better treatment of Harley Quinn can be found in the (thus far) four-season animated series starring the voice of Kaley Cuoco, who absolutely nails the character's speech and mannerisms. Harley is a cartoon character in the best sense of the term, and would frankly be quite diminished in any live-action performance. Also, while Margot Robbie gives it her best, Harley really is slighter and more athletic, with a higher voice register and consistent Jersey accent than Margot can muster.
This movie tried to mimic "Deadpool" but forgot that the main character actually undergoes *change* through the film - the character of Wade Wilson starts off as an unhinged loon who only wants to do crazy shit for money, meets a girl, becomes infatuated with her and then gets cancer: from there he goes to extraordinary lengths to cure his cancer without becoming an undue burden to her, gets mixed up in crazy human experiments and goes on a rampage of revenge before finally reuniting with her after realizing that she will accept him as he is. Quinn doesn't undergo any kind of self discovery - she starts as psycho who believes that she doesn't need anyone else and pretty much ends the same way...
@@FrankCastle-tq9bz And frankly, the way Deadpool treats the kid in the second movie is much better than the way Harley treats Cassandra in this one. Deadpool goes out of his way to protect the boy even though he probably shouldn't be, risking his skin against the odds at all times. Harley tries selling Cassandra out as soon as things get rough, and only tries to save her when it's clear that won't work for her.
Remember when over-the-top movies about female action heroes didn't feel it was necessary to shove afterschool-special-level messages about social justice down their audience's throat? Pepe Farms remembers.
Honestly, the scene with Harley breaking both of the guy's legs in that manner is alone enough to turn me off to the movie (which I haven't seen and probably never will). How much permanent damage do you think something like that would cause to a person, not to mention the excruciating pain and inevitable surgeries and hospital stays. Yes I suppose it's supposed to be *funny*, but I'm afraid I don't find that sort of thing funny, in fact I find it appalling, and I pretty much have always enjoyed tastefully-done comedic performances.
I just don't understand why people glorify Harley Quinn, I mean just because she's no longer with Joker doesn't mean she's a good person, she still did a lot of bad shit in the Joker's service that's not just going to go away because she finally leaves him. People have long memories.
Batman and Harley Quinn covered that nicely. In that version Harley has become a waitress at a super herion/villaness themed restaurant because nobody except pron production companies want to hire her. So she's stuck working as a waitress until she agrees to help batman who pulls some strings for her. Her iob at the end is hilarious, she hosts a Japanese style game show where the prize is free therapy sessions It's the movie where she bangs nightwing lol
Cathryn Bigelow (one of at least some) is probably heavily drinking here and now just to forget that she could be associated with those pathetic excuses of a Female director.
@Ricky Shiffer Yes I've learned she was a competent sculptor too... . Tl-dr, in any time, and any society, we probably will find women who are far more valuable than the poor caricatures of glass-built-yet-strong-and-independant victims last-wave feminists / SJWs try to put all women into...
This follows up with the reason for why I hate women; they're so irrational, and I'm a woman...makes me ashamed to be one, but then I also know if I was just like them, I'd be supporting them.
@@amberslahlize7961 Well though not all women are probably not born irrational-prone (confer your own example), still our actual kind of education / culture surely doesn't help mental stability and reliability...
@@amberslahlize7961 As a woman i agree, i often feel ashamed of being a woman. So many irrational women/girls out there, feminists of course. The future doesn't look bright...
This is the kind of thing that I hate about these movies, at least in marvel it makes a little sence that other characters won't get involved in other characters plots, and most of the time they have an excuse, but here? Is like scucide squad, you have superman, wonder woman, batman, and you chose to send a bunch of criminals to stop an intergalactic wizard? What?
Being from the DCEU, complete failure to create any hype, being R rated and the cast's insistence on calling it a feminist movie (when it's absolutely not) is why this movie lost to Sonic.
exactly !!! I watched these two movies and I swear to god that I was exited and intrigued by Sonic and was yawning and bored while watching Birds of prey
The biggest irony is that in spite of the claims that men wouldn't watch it because sexism, more men watched it than women. What was it, 58% in the first week?
I found this channel recently and very much enjoy the reviews! I wish Rotten Tomatoes certified critics were more like you and RedLetterMedia as opposed to the people who give terrible films like Captain Marvel, Terminator: Dark Fate, Wonder Woman 1984, Birds of Prey, The Old Guard, Gunpowder Milkshake, Charlie's Angels (2019), and Ghostbusters (2016) positive reviews.
Dk Soulstice it’s a shame too cause I like the actress and she did fine in suicide squad despite it being...well suicide squad. But hey the price of fame clouds ones ego I guess.
They didn't really have to try though tbh. She's already unlikeable and insufferable. Imagine that voice and personality coming out of an ugly fat girl's mouth. See? Fucking unbearable, right?
After hating Birds of Prey and Suicide Squad, I was pleasantly surprised by the animated series! It was actually funny, had a good plot, and I loved the art style.
Imagine a sequel to Joker called "Harlequin" being a deep psychological thriller of Arthur Fleck slowly getting into the head of his nurse at Arkham Asylum, pushing her to commit worse and worse acts of defiance and gradually driving her mad, eventually breaking him out and going on a crime spree, or maybe not, maybe it's just a sick fantasy of hers. Imagine how angry *they* will be when it does way better than Birds of Prey.
I like it, but the twist is just cliched. "It was all just a dream" works when the subject is completely original. Seriously, it sounds like a great pitch for a film though.
Part of why people like the Joker, is part of why people like Batman. They have no powers and rely on normal human ability. Harley Quinn basically ignores this and knocks out people twice her size with her bare hands. If she used her giant fucking mallet to do this then I would think "Alright fine" but nope. This is just one of its many problems.
Joker: A daring view into the mind of a mentally unhinged man, forgotten by society and driven to madness. Harley Quinn: *snorts coke, kick guy in balls, funny spunk gargle weewee* Okay.
Exactly, no actual reference to the source material. Hell even character designs themselves don't look like their comic counterparts. Its no wonder DCU has failed so hard.
Joker is a nemesis to Batman, is a mastermind of crime, and it was portrayed as a sad looser with a 6 shooter, who can arrested off screen by a cop... and "everyone" loved that.
@@nofarsheli9378 it was his origin story you moron he was shown to be diabolical and a quick thinker when he snatch that one book from the psychiatrist or when he changed clothes... and i can't emphasize this enough: it was a damn origin story he literally has about 20 years of gaining experience before he takes on the bat
It's getting more and more cringe worthy being a woman today. I've stopped going to female lead action movies altogether because I can't stand the all men are evil thing. Or women who look like a butterfly would knock them over being in a fist fight with a man. The last great female in an action movie was probably Linda Hamilton in Terminator 2. Sarah Connor was actually buff and skilled in fighting, but still got put down by stronger men when she tried to escape the ward. She was absolutely unhinged, and called out for being so when she went on her feminist rant. Her rambling doesn't prove men are evil, it shows she's gone completely nuts (called out by her own son no less). She was a terrible mother, and her son was messed up because of it. Yet you understood all of that, the why was clear, and you want her to win because you knew the stakes. Flawed, hard to like and still a kick ass heroine. God I miss those characters.
I am still sad that the Drinker never reviewed the movie Mary, Queen of Scots (2019). He would probably implode due to the stupidity, virtue signaling and general lack of respect for Scottish history.
@@FitchTV People have always been fascinated with villains. We want to know how they got there because we're all a few bad choices away from being one. But what bugs me is when people pretend to be offended by something just to get what they want. In this case, they want to make female starring movies with feminist messages more popular than male starring movies with less political messages.
FitchTV He’s referring to how cuckbag leftards think Joker is going to somehow incite violence. All the while this movie exists with senseless violence turned up to 11 and it’s completely fine because the main characters have snatches.
Well cause joker had crazy ideas to destroy everday people and create anarchy but harley was a sidekick who just wanted to follow joker. She didn't kill innocent people or children but joker doesn't care if it is a child or adult. I guess only thing he will stop is rape? Idk. John wick and dexter were killers you don't see people complain about them cause they are actually good people who are happened to be killers lol
In the comics Black Canary is an excellent fighter because she was trained by world-class boxer Ted Grant, aka the superhero Wildcat, but she still relied on her vocal powers to fight when things got overwhelming. She also later would team up with and is often backed up by her husband, Green Arrow, and they often train together. In the DCEU, they could not dare to have her fighting abilities come from a man training her because that's "sexist" so they replaced her backstory with Black Mask taking her in and making her a singer.
@@brandon17760 Since you clearly have a hard time fact checking before writing comments; ..."That double standard is what I mean when I say “unapologetically female”. Not one moment of this film is made for the male gaze..." AMELIA EMBERWING (feminist journalist reviewing "Birds of Prey". So if you took 2 minutes to fact check before rolling your sweaty white knight fist all your keyboard to scribe your daily insults behind a safe space; it turns out a feminist DID say that this movie was not made for Men... Fact check before gagging on your Ego... You woke up 25 minutes ago...
@@brandon17760 Proof read your comments... Your bizarre emotions you attach make your statements un readable. You contradicted yourself 3 times. "no one in the movie said that" (that is a context you inserted and not apart of the original statement). "A reviewer can come to any conclusion they want to" (now you are having a separate argument since your last argument was disproven). “our movie failed” as if they are the ones who made it. (off topic since your claimed a feminist never said this movie wasn't for them when i proved that they did say that). Again, fact check before allowing your emotions to overcome your ability to answer your own questions; Director Cathy Yan revealed her vision for it wasn’t far from that mark. As a matter of fact, she wanted to, in her own words, make girls “want to smash the patriarchy” and display the “worst of modern womanhood.” Again, in the Directors own words^^.. "..as the plot follows Harley and the other women fighting back against the dangerous men who control Gotham City.” Again, thats the Directors own words. So yes, A feminist did say; "Not one moment of this film is made for the male gaze..." And yes, the Director did make a statement that this movie was for women. You are now wrong twice and you will probably have more words that contradict your pseudo "stance" while being professionally outraged for a group that never asked you to do so. I'm sure you'll have more insults too, since that is what one does when they have no argument.
@@DurdenTyler21 I see, most of the time when it comes to online discussions they are always watered down to meaningless insults people these days don't take time to think before they speak or in this case type So i was taken back to actually see someone respond respectfully without throwing cheap
Imagine if we got a movie where we see Harley's downfall and progression to joining Joker, as well as a look at their abusive relationship in a movie similar to "Joker" Instead we got this.
Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr Who, Terminator, Ghostbusters, Charlie's Angles went Woke: Did not meet earning potentials. Birds of Prey: "nah, it'll be fine..."
Reality is what hits you when walk out of the door .... But you have to actually do that once in a while for reality to hit ... That or live in your own created fantasy world until reality literally comes knocking at the front door with a repossession notice and a court summons.
@Harvey Dustin Every word in their current dictionary is a Doublespeak corruption of it ... Nothing new there ... Noble ideas and uplifting words are what cowards and power hungry manipulators have hidden behind since the dawn of your species. What gets me about this current lot is how poor they are at it, how shoddy, low rent and pathetic (in the classical sense) they are. Such an age where even the demagogues and would be tyrants are cheap, soulless plastic knockoffs
They've ruined the character of Harley Quinn. What once was a interesting take on an abused and co-dependant, yet competent and quirky villainess has now become a wall-breaking feminasty parody. Sad, and wasteful.
i liked the harley quinn from the 90's bat man cartoons when i was a kid. i even thought suicide squad was mediocre mainly because of harley. but when i first saw a preview for birds i knew it was going to be terrible shite. the industry has been on a steady bury itself in the ground trend for years and the preview didnt help. the whole point of a preview is to entice an audience, not alienate it, i thought. though the current - i dont know what to call them - movie brains? have me currently confused. the whole woke thing has been proven to fail unless there is actually a compelling script, etc. along with it.people seem to care more about a good, entertaining film more than political narratives and an insistence on divisive marketing techniques. i am confused in that i thought their main directive was to make as much money as possible. for years it seems the opposite. like they want to lose money? are they delusional? are they so far withdrawn from actual audiences that they dont understand their losing fans and popularity?
Harley Quinn is the annoying "edgy loud girl" in the room everyone makes fun of... Black Carnarey seemed like a more possibly interesting character to make a movie around..
“She’s like a bout of explosive diarrhea. She’s tolerable, maybe even kind of fun in small doses, but 109 minutes of her without relief just becomes a pain in the arse.” Oh, Drinker! You are a maestro among wordsmiths! My day is brighter just knowing you’re giving your adult beverage of choice lubricated reviews!
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Feminists are living out their fantasies by killing and controlling men in most of the new movies/shows. Feminists are now the gate keepers in the big studios. They only allow stories by authors who agree to allow their story to be polluted with "woke" elements. See The Witcher. They even invented a new position for these gate keepers called "Showrunner" (i.e. minister of cultural wokeness). Here is the "Showrunner" for The Witcher (NetFlix series) which could have been great, but was ruined by compliance to PC diversity quotas @t
The "Guys want to be him, and girls want to be with him" thing turns out to be true: women actually want to see desirable men in movies! What a shocker.
So let me see if I got this right, especially from the writer and director view points. Harley Quinn was the brains of the operation the Joker was running, but he was taking credit. This let Harley run amuck without reprisal because everyone was so scared shitless of Joker and his reputation that they wouldn't dare fuck with her. So then clearly he figures he doesn't need to simp for thots and dumps her. Meaning that now that she has no protection from Joker, everyone's gunning for her and so she has to join up with various groups like the Suicide Squad or these Birds of Prey bimbos because, again, she lacks the actual skill and reputation otherwise? Did I get that right? Because from where I'm standing, I kinda don't think they did their female empowerment thing right. Because if Joker really was just taking credit, but knew she was the real brains, why would he get rid of her in the first place? Wouldn't he need her? Wouldn't he KNOW he did? If it's because of something something toxic fragile masculinity something something, then wouldn't we have heard about his little crime syndicate crumbling without her? Any indication that he is desperate for her to come back (possibly what they are planning should someone be dumb enough to finance a sequel)? I mean as far as I can tell we hear nothing of Joker failing without her, so clearly she wasn't as needed as we're lead to believe. And I mean she was pretty much allowed to cause what ever mass amount of mayhem she wanted under him and wouldn't even need to really fear reprisal, so what if he openly took credit? Is it because he didn't that got her all upset? Lady, you are the supposed mastermind behind one of the most feared groups in all of Gotham and don't have to fear shit from anyone (except maybe Joker). You won't face any of the consequences that come with that responsibility. All the heat is off you and the police ain't really ever gonna REALLY be after you cause they all think Joker was 100% responsible. It's just dumb optics. Go full Cheney. Push the face of the group (president or crime boss) to do shit so ALL the guns are pointed at him and you still reap the rewards. You're number two but in this scenario you're the shadow boss, the real number one. If you were a guy we'd all be telling you this same thing. Get over yourself. Especially because you clearly ain't shit compared to the boss otherwise since merely being associated with him was all it took for people to leave your ass alone, the second you lost that, well you had to find other groupies to protect yo ass.
It would be refreshing if a fight scene with a small female character was choreographed to reflect how they would be able to contend against larger stronger enemies using weapons, agility, and creativity. A good start would be to mimic some of the creative Jackie Chan fights against large powerful enemies.
Right that has been shown before...that girl from Kick-ass for example...Kill-Bill...or the SW Clone Wars Season 1 : It gives good examples about how someone with 2 to 5 less weight can get heavier enemies down. But on the other hand, as you say, it would require creativity. A thing Birds of Prey's moviemakers seem to have been in shortage of.
The only equalizer you'd have for someone the size of Robbie is weapons. That's why it makes sense for Harley to always be using something, she would get smoked in a fistfight even against a slightly burly woman.
@@totalmetaljacket789 Yes and that's weird why firearms seem to be absent from that movie...after all it's not like the makers would dismiss extreme violence as unfit, right ? xd.
I think Atomic Blonde generally achieves this. There might be a little bit of suspending your belief but in general it's believable. Charlize Theron is never straight overpowering the men she's fighting.
One of the reasons why this movie sucked was because that Harley is supposed to be an insane mostly unlikeable antagonist trying to do anything for the Joker. So trying to make her a likeable protagonist is difficult to do.
