your work has been so completely eye opening for me. so much so that after 5 weeks of being on t, ive thrown it out. thank you for advocating for butch lesbians and being unafraid of honesty. you are appreciated
What a great conversation! Thank you both so much. As a straight woman I actually learned quite a bit about heterosexual relationships from you. Also, I run a women's blood mysteries temple (a Pagan oriented spiritual group). We had two of our temple priestesses leave because we don't allow trans women. As the groups founder, and with the support of the other temple priestesses, I pointed out that trans men would be welcome but it's a group about biology - it's about biological women. I was not willing to make some of these women uncomfortable but making them talk about intimate secrets and experiences with biological men present, these men have no point of reference to understand our woman experience. We don't hate trans women or men but we don't want them in our private group. We did weather the storm, that was in about 2016 or so. We formed in 2004. Good luck with your work Justine. I am with you!
What a great guest Justine was. I appreciated her insights into why a certain tranche of T-taking lesbian women buy into Gender so heavily and end up in organisations writing policy that makes life tough for other women, a category they seemingly despise for themselves. In the UK, it was ‘James’ Morton, a TiF, who was instrumental in creating a situation which permitted TiMs to be housed in the female Scottish prison estate. I was sorry to hear about the rejection you experienced as a younger butch lesbian from your family, Carol. As a heterosexual woman myself, through your show I have been learning so much about the lesbian community and the societal pressure the women within it, face.
Love to see Justine & Carol talking together. I have followed Justine's work since she started the Homoarchy. Gender Health Query is great too. I admire you both so much, & have learned a lot from each of you.
I love Justine! Very interesting thoughts about lesbian relationships and bed death. I wholeheartedly agree that “it’s ok to be a prude.” I also appreciate how right off the bat Justine gives such a precise description of her sexual orientation and connection to the lesbian community. Makes sense to me….i think there are a lot of “technically bisexual but pretty much lesbian in practice” women and I can see how it would be a struggle to know exactly how to word that and what label(s) to use.
I enjoyed this a lot. I think that if I'd seen so many lesbians decide they are men and work against us I would also be very angry about it. I only knew a couple, and then became totally isolated from other lesbians when I had (2 male) children, so I wasn't really aware what was going on. I did notice that if I saw female couples in public fewer and fewer were butch. These days I see lesbian couples nearly every day, and they mostly don't even have short hair, let alone are butch!😮😅
Your point about the dynamic of possibly many gay p[eople who hate the gender nonconformity in themselves and they almost want to stamp this out of the younger people like a wired self loathing psycho drama. I recently finished Jack Turban's nook "Free to be" and I was questioning if just such a dynamic was at play for mr. Turban.
Jack Turban promotes bad science 🫤. I haven't read his book and I wasn't aware he's gay. The more I look at all this the more I see that TQ is an actual existential threat to same sex attracted people.
People came to the conclusion years ago that a person's declared gender identity is the only thing that should count. If you claim that your gender identity and body don't align, other people are not allowed to hold you to any accountability, and they should also be forced to bend to what you're asking. Of course this is an attractive concept to the most insecure, vile people.
How does a person live in a same sex relationship that is but isn't, because transition feels different than a woman or a man? I am committed and confused
I can't give you much, but from what I've seen the relationship gets stretched to breaking point, and then either ends or HUGE compromises are made by the 'secure in her sex' partner.
