'It's Bang Out Of Order!' Ten Hag's Turbulent Time EXPLAINED! 

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Can you imagine the strength of the manager to put up a brave face and defend the team and management in spite of the immense pressure he was juggling. The only time he spoke for himself was when he was asked about his future AFTER he won the FA Cup. That shows remarkable strength of character. Kudos Erik!

It's been 2 years since Ten Hag was appointed, and he's dealt with 10 years worth of drama without complaining. He's the most United manager I've seen since Fergie. Hope he gets to build properly.

I have always said that if Ineos walked into that change room and told the players that Erik will outlast all of them, abject performances would be gone in an instant. If we have a successful transfer window ESPECIALLY with the OUTS, watch these players perform like their lives depend on it next season. Erik staying (whether you like him or not) is the ONLY way to end player power.

Mirrors what Rangnick was saying...manager after manager can't be wrong! Player power is the main problem at United.

This is incredibly revealing, thanks to Laurie for lifting the cover on these issues. No wonder last season was such a mess.

Martinez is absolutely integral to his system.

I remember at the start of the season when Varane and Casemiro were fit but not playing, people were saying ten Hag can't manage big players. But now reports are coming out that Varane and Casemiro were challenging his instructions. Here lies the problem, players who think they are too big to learn something new. They were great players and they were good for United to a point, but if you won't follow your manager's instruction, please feel free to walk out the door. And the worst part of it is that in front of the press, Ten Hag kept making himself look like a fool while defending these players. There is no greater disloyalty a player can show, that a manager backs you to the detriment of that manager's reputation, and the faith is never repaid.

Ralf warned the club.. get players on 1st contracts and get rid of the prima donas..

The Athletic are elite man great to get these insights. Proves EtH was handling multiple situations like a boss. He’s rebooting the mentality at the club and I’m here for it

And everyone wondered why he fell out with varane and blamed ten hag. may this be an eye opener for people

Exactly the type of content we want from this channel. Questioning mainstream media narratives with actual detail. You guys been smashing it recently. Looking forward to Monday.

The "why isn't Varane playing if he's available" question from earlier this season has finally been answered

If I fell into a pool Carragher is the type to tell me I'm wet and take credit for the observation

Why don’t united have a breach of contract clause? You refuse to follow the managers instructions or say you’re not playing in a position he wants you to play. Then you don’t get paid. They can keep it in house, but it’s a fuck about and find out. You don’t cross the boss. Then we can blame the manager when the tactics don’t work.

This is why we need at least two new CB and have to get rid of Lindelof and Maguire. Also: with how slowly some of our players learn and adapt, I understand ETH's reasoning...

Jadon Sancho has been such a disappointment. Really liked the guy, then goes on with his prima donna attitude after winning that lottery contract. I think he really thought that he was a superstar and had reached those heights. A complete United failure. Poor attitude, can't follow instructions... even at Dortmund, he was just negligible, went missing in major games. Can't press, can't run... I am just disappointed.

No mention of PR man Rashford and why he has been so lazy and jogging about the pitch all last season.

It will be glorious to see the FANBOYS of those players go livid 😂🍿

My respect has grown 10X for him. I can't wait for next season, and he gets everyone back on board with a team of players getting after it for the badge!!

Ten Hag deserves respect just for having to deal with all this mess and doing it with dignity

It shows the problem of buying " Galacticos" who've won the lot is a bad strategy. They are set in their ways because it has been incredibly successful. We need players that are hungry and are willing to be coached. That's not to say that the younger players;Rashford, Sancho, Antony etc are blameless. Their attitude has been wrong.

Good on you guys for discussing this article and dispelling a ton of myths that Player FC have been using against Ten Hag. One thing you missed though was Erik's rationale for not changing his system. In one interview a few months back (might have been with the Dutch newspaper), he explained that if he changed his system with so many players injured then the players who *have* been playing will need a new system coached into them, and then when the injured players return they will need to be coached to do the opposite again, while playing with returning players who have only known one system. In other words, you got half the current squad playing under one system and the returning players playing under a different one. So I feel that context is important because it makes sense, ESPECIALLY when we now know that it wasn't player's who couldn't play the right system, they just didn't want to (Ronaldo, Sancho, Casemiro, Varane, and all the younger players they were influencing).

All fans calling for ETH should be embarrassed and ashamed about the call for him to be sacked when this shit was going on behind closed doors as well as injuries galore.

I swear I’ve been defending ten Hag all season. I told people over and over he said United couldn’t play his style of play. SERIOUSLY: asking players to play basic tactical football in the midfield and having them not even attempt to do so is solely on THE PLAYERS. Look, if everyone holds their lines, moves in tandem according to the given structure and where the ball is -- it takes LESS EFFORT to carry out a basic press. For people who do not get this, if you watch basketball it’s literally the same thing when a team press their opposition in their opposition’s half. It only takes one player to fail to position themselves correctly for the entire press to fall apart. And for United, that player was -- Casemiro. This was an EFFORT issue, not. ten Hag issue. AND: the claim about lack of flexibility is bs. Obviously ten Jags was flexible… ask Cristiano Ronaldo. Oh, WAIT! Don’t because he’ll lie through his teeth and say it didn’t happen.

Someone wrote an interesting analysis piece on Reddit about Man United playing a higher line when Maguire is in the team. They showed this with official stats from Opta, I think it was. Maguire, to me, comes across as the kind of player who listens to his manager and does what they ask. This backs up Laurie's claim that it was some of the defenders dropping too deep rather than the manager telling them to play deep. I'm looking at Varane and Lindelof mainly. And maybe Evans because of his age/lack of pace, not because I don't think he listens to TH.

God it sounds like ETH from this has had a complete and utter shit storm to deal with behind the scenes. So disappointing to hear that these vets where undermining him.

If they had actually sacked ten Hag, it would have been one of the biggest miscarriages of justice in football history.

casemiro tell ten hag ill solve his problem now im the problem

Quality chat lads.

I would like to say something about this title ETH was right, it should be ETH is right! Thanks guys for covering this subject as it is sorely needed. I will always revel in the way Rolando. Casimero, Varane and the rest have played for United, but we are in a new dawn and to hear you heralding it gives me comfort and confidence for the road ahead.

I have been saying it. ETG played miracles to achieve what he achieved in that S. Show.

Every time the press and pundits will mention 8 th being the worst position in the EPL. Nobody wants to remind us that when SAF took over the club during the first division days the club was out of the top 10 THREE TIMES in 6 years. 13 th once and 11 th twice. Only in 1993/94 EPL season he won the title. But no one want to upset SAF, do they?

This is old news we have known this he told us in interviews . Plus he told us its a 3 year plan but if ur player get injured it slows it down. Get on board or feck off .

The Ronaldo, Greenwood and Sancho issues were obviously a huge problem long before it was news stories. The dressing room must've been diabolical.

A breathtakingly serious discussion by three lads who really know their footie! Masterful well done lads! ETH has been treated disgracefully by the vultures in the media and the rats in the dressing room!

I don't think we will ever truly know just how much damage Ronaldo did to ten Hag's position in the dressing room.. His attitude around the other players, on the pitch, the interview and then getting out of his contract.

Said it all season about the line, he wanted it higher and the defence we had predominantly wants to drop, either through physical or mental decisions. Get some quicker, braver CBs in and see how we do next season

So this journo had nothing to write about Rashford?

Well done guys i had hoped this vid came out late last year because ETH had been saying in several post match interviews he wanted his backline to stay high up but they never did especially Lindelof and Maguire. thats why I've been saying since January united NEED to sell Lindelof and Maguire and sign TWO quick ball playing defenders that is the most important thing united need to do

It doesn't help if nearly every week we have different players in defence. The defence is the foundation. Which is why I think England won't win the euros, and France will. I really hope we do well with Ten Hag next season. C'mon United!

The manager is being asked to play a certain way. he is then given players who do no want to play that way. The team puts up bad performances as a result. The manager is then expected to take on the blame, while the architects of the issue and players remain. If this does no change it does not matter who the manager is.

Can you please ask Laurie about other players such as Martial and Donny? What their issues were. Why did we send Pellistri, Alvarez and Mejbri out on loan? Why did we send Reguillon back when we needed a LB? I remember Reguillons first game and he was great. Showed heart! Laurie's article was fantastic. Gave so much insight and confirmed to me that it's been a player problem all along.

ETH didn’t buy Sancho if I remember correctly.

Bit confusing this report, ETH has not been afraid of dropping or dealing with players look at Ronaldo and sancho, yet he was gonna let varane and Casemiro whinge and moan? He has been full of praise and support for both even when they both seemed tired and not performing. ETH would dropped them full stop and moved them on in January

Ten Hag Nov 4th in a sky sports article "I can't play like Ajax because I have different players," he's been saying this for a while

The players need time to get used to a new system and it's easier for new players to join that system if the team around them is already used to it. Deviating from the system because people are injured isn't going to help the team in the long run, and it worked out in the City game. United would've got more points, but at the cost of an FA Cup. Now he's hopefully going to get players that want to perform and play for the club.

Go back and watch the spurs v Ajax CL semi, same problem, 6 years earlier.

Casemiro was GREAT in his first season.. his 2nd he played half the games due to injury.: played Centerback and had to carry a 19 year old with him

Excellent analysis today, boys.

so incredibly glad you guys covered this, reading the article was shock to say the least. to think he was dealing with all this and he still never managed to throw the players bus is just crazy man. dissappointed as well because guys like Varane and Cas behaving like this when they're seniors is just insane

Ronaldo never loved United the way us fans loved him. Then when he came back and realized it's not Fergie's United anymore he decided cutting ties with the club he "loves" in that fashion was worth it. I'll always love what he did for us in the past, but he completely f'd up our momentum. He caused issues for Ole, Ten Hag, Cavani, Rangnick and who knows what else. There was a window of opportunity for us to actually get back to competing sooner but his transfer made it impossible.

Happy I never for a sec had any doubt in ETH

I believe The pressure he has experienced this season has made him tough and im hopeful he will do better next season (ten hag)

Great show. Really good insight and a solid article to begin with. Not surprised to hear all this ~ this notion that somehow ETH didn’t see the massive gaps in more than half of our games this season always cracked me up. It was obvious. Of course he saw it. This makes a lot of sense. And is further proof that we need to stick with our club ethos of signing and developing young talent and not going for aged Madrid castoff~types, no matter how great they might appear to be.

Clear to see sancho signed for the money because how did he think he was gonna start on the left over rashford 😂

I don’t think TH has been faultless in his time here. However he has done a lot of good in this time also. Now ineos are in, hopefully provide the support needed in recruitment ins & out, improving the working environment. Confidence did waver a bit but I’m glad we are backing him into the next season. Couple cb’s & midfielders, another striker. Clear out the last 5,6,7 of players not needed we can have a bit of hope. GGMU

We need young players to build a legacy at MUFC! We must stop buying the legacy of other clubs

How do we know any of this is even true though…

Remember how poor Liverpool were in Klopp's 1st season as he started to impose his style of football on the team. Changing the way players respond to situations on the pitch during a game takes time. The key will be to see whether or not the performance improves during next season.

Joe saying that his master plan wasn’t coming off and maybe should of mixed it up or something but then you also said the style was laid out by the hierarchy so maybe he didn’t feel like he had the option to at that time..

5:04 This, absolutely this. I’m EtH in, but he was part of the problem in a way as well. Idc what tactics or man-management skills were there or weren’t there, CR7 & Sancho departures meant he’s taking no prisoners, which hurts us now but good for future. Slippery slope

Defenders dropping deep lol with Maguire and lindersoft what do you expect there's roadkill quicker than both .

this is why journalists are not experts in football and get things wrong. la liga is not slower or just worse than EPL therefore you can play with more 'liberal' tactics. La liga is based on player intelligence and concepts which are more appealing to world class mature players. some of the visible issues on the pitch show that the players dont know the concepts or ETH didnt teach them and that must be disheartening for players that have been exposed to high level tactics. EPL is not smart football, why 1 intelligent manager can cake walk it for almost a decade.

Ronny shouldn't be pressing alot at his age TBF when you sign that sort off player you make it work for them Ronny wouldn't be playing now if he pressed in the prem like a mad man just a clash off styles that's all

The lack of speed from the centre backs always forced them to backtrack especially maguire. Martinez attacks instead of going backwards.

Any counting of the events around Sancho reveal a player who chose to not play for multiple managers. Commentators who have carried water for Sancho, & there are so many, can't be forgotten.

I don’t think ETH is a good communicator

A great show lads, joe is believe what i told him when he got on the train at Stockport to manni, i honestly think that un years to come we will all be happy that ETH wasn't sacked. This manager is one of the best and when he gets in the players he wants and the players with the right attitude we will see how ETH wants his team to play and fight for each other and the club, just like he did with go eagles and Ajax and take this club forward as fergie did after the club stuck by him after 89/90 season.... WIN LOSE Or DRAW ALWAYS UTD 💪💪 COME ON UTD 💪💪💯💯

As always, thx guys for wonderfully honest content! Pls ponder this list of players......Pogba, Sancho, Antony, Ronaldo, Martial, Greenwood, Rashford, Shaw, Lukaku, Eriksen, Lingard, Varane, Casemiro, etc etc etc. How can players be termed Top Professionals or World Class if they lack Commitment to give sincere effort for the team and teammates, refuse to work within unfavored formations deemed beneficial for the team, fail to find the character necessary to graft out success, fail to understand that successful group endeavors require de-emphasis on personal brands, etc etc etc. We remark for years with shocked surprise that "at the moment" the attitudes and behaviors of the players is "shocking", yet the consistently displayed attitudes and behaviors of the players could be described as Self-consumed or Narcissistic? All these players...and others unnamed....must be ACCOMODATED by others, regarding field positioning and effort. How can players be World Class if they require special accomodation ? I left Fernandes off the list so i could address him here......hmmm, imagine being a midfielder required to "play with Bruno". Imagine that. Wandering around without Positional Responsibility, leaving massive holes in a midfield that has been overrun a thousand times, often unavailable as a source of potential distribution unless the distributor might be named Scholes or Pirlo. Lolol. When Bruno is playing above the #9, I would choose to kick the ball over the touchline and berate him publicly. This team of Overpraised, Overpaid, Overaccomodated Prats is not just unsuccessful but they are unlikeable, showing zero of the effort and graft that the United Fanbase put in every day of their lives. But we idolize these adolescents, demanding nothing....ultimately meaning that we will be disappointed as we Hope for everything. Surprise!....wasnt it obvious to anyone ever witnessing successful or unsuccessful families or workplaces, etc...that Ralf Rangnick was 100% correct? Open Heart Surgery!!

Makes me so much happier hearing this after knowing they are keeping him bc the man has had the worst shite to deal with out of any new manager at any new club period

It’s difficult to get a decent large number of this fanbase to understand. You will hear ‘it’s Ten Hags job to get control of these players’. It’s a valid point if this hasn’t already happened with 3/4 previous managers. There comes a point where you have to start putting the blame on the right people. For a very long time we haven’t been. And I would say it is probably the main issue as to why we have been so unsuccessful for so long.

The football philosophy of the likes of Ten Hag and Pep are similar where players are allowed to do 2 or 3 things on the pitch. This is means that players are never allowed to fully express themselves - unless they’re Messi of course. This is the case with most modern managers and in stark contrast to Real Madrid’s philosophy and Carlo Ancelotti in particular where players are encouraged to take more ownership on the tactics and own their position and make decisions before the game and during the game about how they should play there. It’s easier for players to play for Pep / Eth as they’re told exactly what to do and they just need to stick that, while playing for Ancelotti requires higher footballing IQ from players and decision making skills. Players like Ronaldo NEEDED his coaches to trust his football IQ and involve him in the tactics formulation which would never happen under Ten Hag and that’s why their relationship was doomed from the beginning.

Wow imagine that, I've beens saying all season that the gap in midfield is in large due to the lack of CBs capable of playing a high line. It's not that a high press is tactically flawed, it's the fact the players he has at his disposal can't execute it properly. Sure he could have abandoned the idea earlier, but with the available CBs all he could play was counter attacking football with a low defensive block and fans would hate him for doing that.

Whoever set up the chapters did a terrible job, theyre all over the place. Liked the video though

Everything here boils down to ETH not being able to get buy in from bigger players. It’s actually a worry

Got outmost respect for ETH for believing in his way of leadership and wanting to win at old Trafford despite of all this.none of British coaches would have prevailed under these events. ETH❤

I can’t believe after all this revealing details and him winning 2 cups and people still think ETH is the problem and should go 🙄 they must really want Southgate as the new coach 🤣

Great insight

Having read the Athletic article it is clear Ten Hag has been a terrible man manager since day 1. Wanting to change the way one of the best footballers ever, Ronaldo played, after he had just scored 18 goals in an awful United team/season was foolish. Wanting to change the way big money signings, Varane and Casemiro played was equally foolish. This is NOT player power, after all Cantona got away with so much more because of what he could do on the pitch. Ronaldo, Varane, Caemiro, that is an important part of the starting XI. His bad man management is highlighted by how he handled Sancho. Ten Hag chose Antony over Gapko, it seems, because United could not afford them both, same as they could not afford Kane, however could they? Keep De Gea, do not sign Mount or Onana and there is the money for Kane and his wages It is annoying to read that Internally it was agreed that signing Hojlund meant United adjusted their expectations for last season The Athletic article should be read as a lesson by Ten Hag. Ten Haag clearly has struggled with man management, he has big name stars to handle, he never had that at Ajax He changed his process before the cup final, but, with some of the best ever man managers on his door step, Alex Ferguson, Jim Ratcliffe and Dave Brailsford, Ten Hag would be wise to seek their advice and learn from his mistakes. No one can disagree with Brailsford when, the Athletic says, he feels athletes should be excited at getting to their place of work, that is the same in every place of employment.

Why so short guys😢 I still want to watch it longer

Some shocking insights. Good show!

10.40...joe looks like he just got caught having a line and someone walked in on him 😅

Ugh sounds like a fucking nightmare

This makes the fact that we were looking for another manager disgraceful

The purchase of Ronaldo was a mistake that derailed all the progress that had been made by OGS in starting to build an exciting young squad that was feared by all the big teams and played very exciting football.

In many ways the problems in the current ManUtd setup is all the making of previous manager. the moment LVG tore the ManU team he inhreited by letting go of players who were the core of the team and getting mediocre players from the acadamy and in the transfer market to Pogba bought for world record fees to Ole going for Sancho, Varane, Ronaldo. Questions needs to be asked as to why was Elanga let go and Soncho bought. Why was Cavani let go and Ronaldo bought, Was Varane even needed when better younger options were available. The kind of money ManUtd Spent on superstars whose retrun on investment is, if not MINUS it is NO SENSE is sheer stupidity

This is amazing insight into the internal mess that ETH was dealing with. How come it’s only being reported now and not earlier when it all happened?

Squad is full of big time Charlie's, some with the right to be one, many who haven't. Rangnick warned about this and should've been kept on as DOF. These players made Rangnick look like a PE teacher, yet Austria have been one of the most impressive teams in the Euros, with a squad who've bought into his philosophy. The players are the problem 100%.

Thanks for the insight😮

Shocking but not surprised . Actions speak louder than words .

smart fans would see this - some of the players we have dont listen or cant understand what is needed

So you found one game where Ten hag was frustrated. He had the WHOLE season to stop that from happening and didnt. Look Im happy Ten hag gets his 3rd year, he deserves it after winning the FA Cup, but his coaching must be better this year

But why did ten Hag allow this to happen ALL season!? And please don’t give me injuries as an excuse. We lost FOUR of our opening SIX games with virtually a full strength team/ squad! It happened in the very first game at home to Wolves and nothing changed thereafter! Where was ten Hag’s coaching skills then! He coached us once, THE CUP FINAL! Nuff said!

A tactician needs more young players with less ego than some of the experienced players like Ronaldo. That way he can mold players into his plan. He is looking to build and army. It needs to have decipline and ability to adjust. More importantly, needs players to fit the roles and not the other way.

Sancho didn't want to play on the right but played as a false 9? Meanwhile Rashford was asked to play center forward and move a bit to the right, he threw his tools down and went to party and yet he starts every game and plays shit in all?? There is no sense here

I think one of the main reasons he stuck with his game plan was to highlight the players that were incapable of adapting to it. 3D cheese move

Myself and others were saying theres no way the manager isn’t telling them to do things differently and if we can see at large points in the season that the players were not doing simple things like attacking 50/50 balls and second chance balls and closing down passing lanes and if they aren’t doing the simple things that everyone who has played at any competitive level knows to do and still gets told to do then they certainly aren’t doing other things they are being told that are harder or higher level things either.

We knock casemiro n varane for questioning ten hag but they delivered when it mattered trophy time,the other squatters havent for 4/5 seasons under 5 different managers but for the help of these stars.

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