Here's a question for all seriously religious Muslims... why are you wanting to live in western society if it goes against your religious society and beliefs?
Accepting abuse does not absolve the crime. It is a crime because society deems it to be immoral and unacceptable in society and also to defend those who do not have the wherewithal to defend themselves.
In 2001 I was not allowed to wear shorts as a white man in Jeddah Saudi Arabia. I did not revolt nor complain. What the hell are these interlopers screaming about I dare say????
I'm of the firm belief that when you go to a country, you follow and obey *their* laws, *their* rules and *their* customs. If you don't like it, don't go. Don't visit. Don't live there. End of. Can you imagine going to Saudi for example, and insisting on doing things that they don't allow? You'd be locked up in short order, and rightly so, even if we dont agree with their laws. Nor should we try to do so. So the same should apply here.
@@ChrisAndCats I disagree. I think that there should be a minimum standard of decent behaviour everywhere in the world, and part of that should be people winding their necks in and not trying to impose their backward behaviours and views on others. In islam it's supposed to say that there should be _no compulsion in religion._ So why, even in their own countries, do they try to impose their nonsense on others, even making it illegal in some places for foreigners to eat or drink in public during the ridiculous and irresponsible ramadan, let alone forcing women to cover up? They are massively overly self entitled.
@@tinytank6642because France is a laic country, there are places where religious objects/clothes are not allowed (like schools or the parliament) so it includes crosses too yes
@@badapple2221If any country wants to solve religious conflict, then remove public crosses and other religious objects (unless under clothes like a chain under a top) and end religious laws. individuals in their homes can worship anything, that is fine, private religion is fine. Let's all make our own religions
The niqab is a great way to hide the bruises. And before anyone just down my throat, I am a Muslim woman, Happily left that country to come to a FREE country and I don't want to be dragged back to the 'third' world.
@@pastorvictorministries5060 Hello..; You say harsh words to a woman who covers herself, preaching in the name of Jesus. Tell me, what does 1 Corinthians chapter 11 say? I will start for you: Source:"Christian Standard Bible 1-12 "1 Imitate me, as I also imitate Christ. 2 Now I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold fast to the traditions just as I delivered them to you. 3 But I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of the woman, and God is the head of Christ. 4 Every man who prays or prophesies with something on his head dishonors his head. 5 Every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since that is one and the same as having her head shaved. 6 7 A man should not cover his head, because he is the image and glory of God. So too, woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman came from man. 9 Neither was man created for the sake of woman, but woman for the sake of man. 10 This is why a woman should have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels. 11 In the Lord, however, woman is not independent of man, and man is not independent of woman. 12 For just as woman came from man, so man comes through woman, and all things come from God." This is the book you believe in. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's not a mistake or I want to label you as wrong, no. But even the interpretation of Christian scholars comes to the conclusion that the woman should cover herself. In the “modern civilized Western world,” Christianity, like the Bible, is adapted based on societal norms. As for religion, it doesn't change and that's a good thing. Either you reject this part of the book you believe in, or you please think again about your statement. The sister who covers herself should receive protection and support from this service. No insults in a RU-vid comment section.
@@pastorvictorministries5060 Hello..; You say harsh words to a woman who covers herself, preaching in the name of Jesus. Tell me, what does 1 Corinthians chapter 11 say? I will start for you: Source:"Christian Standard Bible 1-12 "1 Imitate me, as I also imitate Christ. 2 Now I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold fast to the traditions just as I delivered them to you. 3 But I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of the woman, and God is the head of Christ. 4 Every man who prays or prophesies with something on his head dishonors his head. 5 Every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since that is one and the same as having her head shaved. 6 7 A man should not cover his head, because he is the image and glory of God. So too, woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman came from man. 9 Neither was man created for the sake of woman, but woman for the sake of man. 10 This is why a woman should have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels. 11 In the Lord, however, woman is not independent of man, and man is not independent of woman. 12 For just as woman came from man, so man comes through woman, and all things come from God." This is the book you believe in. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's not a mistake or I want to label you as wrong, no. But even the interpretation of Christian scholars comes to the conclusion that the woman should cover herself. In the “modern civilized Western world,” Christianity, like the Bible, is adapted based on societal norms. As for religion, it doesn't change and that's a good thing. Either you reject this part of the book you believe in, or you please think again about your statement. The sister who covers herself should receive protection and support from this service. No insults in a RU-vid comment section.
My son had to take off his cap to enter a chemist. But a female in full covering (incuding face) walked freely into a post office that had a sign on the door - Remove helmet before entering. Rules? Freedoms for whom?
@dockingtroll6801 yes permissible. It may not be illegal here but it’s against social etiquette in our country. To cover your face so someone can’t read your expressions in British society was considered rude until five minutes ago, it was the preserve of terrorists and bank robbers. Funny how an English man or woman can’t go into a bank or petrol station etc with a bike helmet on if they’ve been riding but some can cover their face with a veil and people just say oh well. No, this is our country and our norms should be followed, it’s about time these people shows some respect.
Correct, because we associate men with covered faces as the perpetrators of crimes. With women we do not. Thus if it would not be much cause for concern if a woman entered a bank with a Niqab on.
I agree if at the time he demnand money there while brandishing a gun when tying up and blindfolding his hostages there too. By the way how would you be able to automatic tell if a person wearing a hijab covering most of their face is a man? Is that because you yourself have been often violating the privacy of others online on a regular basis or what?
@@vivienwade4378 she says she loves the country and that she was born in this country but she doesnt say she loves the people of the country. she is pure evil
Full face gear SHOULD NOT BE WORN IN THE WEST. This full face thing is intended for Muslim countries, countries that demand this gear of women! In the west, part of our interaction demands seeing the full face! I support Douglas Murray TOTALLY!!
Actually it isn't even intended for Muslim countries. There is nothing in the Quran to say that a woman should wear a full face veil (niqab). There isn't even anything in the Quran to say that a woman should wear a headscarf (hijab). So if it isn't from the Quran, which Muslims claim to follow, where does it come from? As with so many things that Muslims believe and do, it actually comes from cultural norms - many of which have been written in books called hadiths or sunnah. These are what Muslims really follow. The ironic thing is that the Quran does actually say that there will be a day when Muslims have abandoned the Quran - and we are there today.
@@craigs3007 I didn’t know that. Thx for the info. All I know is that if they want to live here in the west, they should fully assimilate or go back home.
@@Atcraftcity I'll partially agree. I lived in a Muslim country many years back, and there were a bunch of expats just like me from several different European countries living and working there. It actually drew a stark contrast between us and the country we were living in. Although we were from a variety of different European countries, we had more in common with each other than we did with the country we were living in. One thing we didn't do was assimilate. Nor did we try to push our way of life on the locals. Having said that though, one major difference between that and the Muslims who live here is that we never intended to stay there. We were working there, and when the job finished we would leave. These people though, have no intention of leaving. And in that, I will 100% agree with you. If they are going to live here and call it their home, then they should fully assimilate.
@@craigs3007 I do think there should be a quota of how many and immigrate here and they need to be fully vetted due to the fact that Islam is not, in my understanding, a peaceful religion. And vetting isn’t a 100% guarantee these people won’t someday get violent, thus a quota, a small one. I believe they do want to have dominion. We must look at what is happening in the world and use some foresight as well.
@@Atcraftcity I agree. There should be an upper limit in terms of numbers, and each one should be fully vetted and in a position to contribute to the economy rather than detract from it. The religion of Islam, as practiced by those calling themselves Muslim, can be peaceful or not, depending on which particular hadiths they follow. Ironically, if they followed islam as laid out in the Quran, we wouldn't have any problems with them. As laid out in that book, it is submission to God, and to do good, to be moral, and to fight only if attacked. It is not about forcing people to become Muslim. Nor is it about forcing women to wear particular types of clothing. But then, as I said previously, Muslims don't follow the Quran. They use it as a springboard to get to what they really follow, which is the hadiths or sunnah.
The _abuse_ of bringing children up in _any_ religious/cult belief system needs to be recognised as such and banned. We don’t (if we’re responsible) let children have access to porn or recreational drugs, so why is it legal to expose them to far more dangerous material, such as the torah, bible and qur’an? The results of such exposure aren’t just potentially damaging to the children, but to the wider society, in a range of ways. No one under the age of 18 should be allowed to read such dangerous nonsense, it literally changes the way that people “think”, and it’s to their detriment.
You are funny 🤣 where is this relation going? What is the effect of the social environment if you wear proper clothing? Less jealousy and lust.. that's why westerners have lots of suicide and depressions.. you will rarely meet this case in Muslim countries
Your face is your identity. It speaks of your mood, your seriousness, your anger, your love, your compassion, your everything. Your face expresses your heart, your spirit. Not showing it negates your existence. With the jihab you have confined your existence to the hoarded property of someone else. The hijab makes you an object, not a person.
I agree. It’s also punishing women for Muslim men’s lust and lack of self control. Just as being confined to your home like a prisoner unless being accompanied by a male when going out. Look at Afghanistan-prime example of young girls/women being subjugated.
Technically, they are British, just not culturally or ethnically. I've got no problem with people from many different countries settling here, but islam is observably corrosive, and needs to be curtailed before it's too late. What will it take, a European country falling to the jackboot of islam and becoming an islamic caliphate before the idiots in power wake up?
England owe its existance to the all poors of continents they have plundered, massacred natives for 100s of years and used their wealth and grain back home to build that you see around. Proof is all you museums and even crown of your clown is studded with Diamond from Bharat.
@@Sooty333 come on , buddy theses people are just racist When they colonies the other countries than it's ok to spread their culture (In the name of making them civilized) Not When we are just practicing our religion they have problems
I can't wear skimpy clothes in a Muslim country, it would insult the citizens of that country. Can someone please explain to these women that's it's courteous not to wear a scary full face veil in public.
In majority of muslim countries, you can wear whatever you want as tourists. I understand you are not familiar with other religions and never seen them, but that does not give you any of excuse to insult their clothing. We wear it for a reason and we are very much confident and happy with, and this will not change because of your western ideologies
@@sadeceaysel5584 the full-face veil in most Islamic countries is not obligatory to begin with ..Very few force this and this is not in the quran but sharia law
@@sadeceaysel5584 It wasn't a insult, what she stated is a fact. Everyone has the right to criticize, its called freedom of speech. It does look scary. If someone walks into my shop wearing a face mask, you dont think thats weird or suspicious? Hell why dont I turn my cameras off too while were at it.
Mr Murray is well read and an excellent scholar, but he's never been tested. Is he tough enough to do the job? The iron lady may fell short. Hitler ? but then , he is not British. Go back further, you need the modern day version of Oliver Cromwell. Tough enough to steam roll all the NGOs, he will seize the crown and nullify the Magna Carter and be dictator. While civilized enough to allow Charles to keep his head. But why would someone do that, the UK have a nasty habit of punishing those that gave the country their best service and reward the idiots. Cromwell was badly treated, so did John Harrison, Hugh Dowding, Churchill, Enoch Powell etc.
The problem is not what the arab world allows or not allows. The problem is that European countries do allow this behaviour. It's not the responsibility of arab countries that european countries take in all their fall out. They couldn't care less.
@@geertruivanbroekhoven7209damn dude don't you see how twisted that logic is? If you come to my home, I will treat you with respect, and not force my personal beliefs onto you, like make you cover your face, nor show violence unless attacked first. But at your place, I am supposed to be subjugated by you. And if I simply disrespect you with words, let alone fight back your subjugation, your "@llah" orders you to attack me! [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection Sad man. Do you really think heaven is 70 virgins ? Is that really YOUR idea of heaven?.. I doubt it bro.. You should look for the Lord a bit harder then that. Are you certain of your God, or can there be something more?
The thing is those countries don't advertise themselves as "free society". You can't claim to be a free society and pick and choose what's freedom. You allow pornography as a freedom of "artistic expression" you are fine with men walking around in dresses. You are ok with people coloring their hairs like rainbows, you are okay with people tattooing their entire faces.. But suddenly you have issues with women choosing to veil themselves?
Always remember seeing them fleeing from Afghanistan in fear of the taliban, and as they stepped off the plane even the kids were dressed like this and i thought they were fleeing oppression, no just bringing it to this country
These women will never integrate wearing these clothes. It completely separates them from secular society but I’d never go as far as banning them as it would have the opposite effect. Anyways, don’t see that happening in our country any time soon 🫤
The ideology should be banned; they would not have any concerns for our rights in their countries, in fact they don't even consider that they may be offending us in _our own_ countries.
This is so silly, In Iran where there is a compulsion to wear women do not want to wear and in a free and fair society as UK women want to wear. This shows the true picture of Islam in a way as they do not want to co exist in any society..
@@toms8879 It will crumble. Saudi-Arabia "the home of islam" has been on a fast modernisation streak. They already have bikini beach open for payment, they have music festivals, recently they opened first alcohol shop. The sense of preserved holy will be destroyed and not a trace will be left. After that it will be like christianity. No anchor and devided for good. Once people taste progress there is no going back to medieval times.
@@ChrisAndCats you seriously believe that EVERY muslim woman wearing a niqab is planning to commit crimes including murder in your country... I feel so sorry for you...... what a horible life you must be living.... childhood issues..???
I am deaf and rely on lip reading. I feel very threatened by women who wear the Nicab. It says to me “I don’t want to communicate with you” which I feel is so rude in a free world.
If there is a purpose to having a covered mouth then I am sure you would not feel offended by it. For instance, if you go to the dentist's office, or during the pandemic. There is a valid reason for this too, the only difference is that it is a religious one. Now that you are no longer ignortant to it you should not feel offended.
@@zkringthat’s true, but those are generally temporary things, and masks wouldn’t cover the face quite the same as niqab, but masks tend to bring certain amount of distance and fear for that reason too.
That would've been fine 20 or 30 years ago but it wouldn't get it banned as theirs too many Muslims, woke lefty types that would vote against it nowadays 😊😊😊
@@C.E.Thomas1952 they pull their veil forward so their face remains covered, it’s very strange to see, but hey even the oppressed and brainwashed need to eat!
If Nikab hides women's faces from the gaze of men, then, the culprits are men. Therefore, men should be blind folded when they meet women, and women shouldn't have to cover there faces. This is better justice. Isn't it?
Hijab should be banned worldwide. It's difficult to identify possible dangers for the society and it's possible to carry ammunition very easily inside the burqa. Governments should stop appeasing one community in the name of democracy , endangering others lives.
Then hats and bags should be banned. Who knows what people are hiding there! Literally shut up you sound ridiculous if modesty triggers you liberal filth.
That's silly... Who carries ammunition on top of their head? Mogli? I don't agree with full face coverings but head coverings aren't bad. I'm a Christian who wears one. The face is made as an identifier and if they believe in God... Why wouldn't they recognize He gave us a face for a reason? It's impractical to cover their face.
I do not understand why this narrator insists on inserting their voice into these videos. For God’s sake, stop telling us what Douglas Murray is telling us and let him tell us himself.
I think you mean a ski mask. A balaclava exposes the whole face, it just keeps the head and neck warm. I know, I grew up in the era when most schoolboys wore these in winter.
The point of a full face vail is to make women unheard and unseen. If they insist on wearing one in a free country, they should be denied service and ignored in public.
Covering one's entire face does not take away from human desires. The abuse in 'those' countries is evident. That is why many women run away if they can.
@@al67849if he was, he sure as hell wouldn’t be sitting there being grilled by a bunch of invisible 2nd class citizens. They’d be berated, smacked with a shoe and sent back to the kitchen.
The full face veil is an affront to modern civilized societies. The basic argument for the full veil is that it protects women when it actually accomplishes the exact opposite. It draws unnecessary attention to a normal human being that has every right to be seen in their human form. Imagine working with someone and having no clue about how they look. Don’t badges at work have pictures or are we to make exceptions for these people? I mean how far are we willing to forgo basic common sense?
Over 75% of communication is non-verbal, facial expressions play a very important part. The niquab should be banned in public spaces where communication and social interactions are essential.
Yup, that is the problem. Facial exposure does bot compromise modesty, and does enable a woman to communicate, and conduct her daily business, more comfortably for all concerned.
@@jeannerogers7085 Of course this extends to these so called "pro Palestine protesters". If you really believe in a cause then have the balls to show your faces and not hide behind masks.
As a grown up women in Malaysia, don't know why I now see Muslim wearing hijab uncomfortable. Woman body was not a shame or dangerous or tempting, responsible for men's sexual behaviour etc all these nonsense from their point of view. Aren't they belittle woman as a whole? My mom told me long ago Muslim woman did not wear hijab, it was the politic men ask them to wear but the men's family didn't wear it. It is true, I just found a video proof, the woman's mother got burn for not wearing hijab.
I have always found it rather pathetic that men from those cultures claim they can't control themselves if they see a woman expose any skin. Truly pathetic
It's intimidating to hide ones face, only showing the eyes. It's a way of hiding behind a curtain. If you choose to wear a mask, expect others to be offended. We have no way to understand your intentions if we cannot read your facial cues.
It happened here in Spain: A man took his little daughter to the hairdressing saloon, the receptionist opened the door, confirmed the appointment and led to them to the waiting room, few minutes later the hairdresser approached to the family man and asked this: Would you mind waiting outside the saloon because we are working now on muslin client, she is very upset and uncomfortable because there is a man in here! The man respond very politely, no problem, I will take my daughter somewhere else, thank you . They obviously left for ever!
When in their country Islam wants you to follow their values, beliefs, rules and cultures. Yet when in yours they don't believe in following your values, beliefs, rules and cultures.
I am not British, not even European for that matter. But when I see what is happening in Europe is just sad. Allowing all these people to disrespect the core values of European society is unforgivable. If they like their culture so much, there are many muslim countries where they can live happily
I wear it and usually take a walk in my back yard for 30 (no one can see me our houses fences are high) and I also eat a lot of fish and beef liver. My vitamin D level is normal from doing these 2 simple things. You don’t need to stand in the suns for hours. It actually causes more incidences or cancer. Which is why you see people who live in the desert wear heavy clothing men and women, and they usually cover their head.
@@zawazawa17 Muhammad did not know that. Because of this, they suffered from vitamin D deficiency because there was no variety of food in desert areas.
@@townsmanmacher3880 how do you know they suffered from vitamin D deficiency? They told you that? Stop being silly and actually animal sourced food is a big thing in our religion we have an entire holiday where we slaughter sheep and give it to the poor. Allah doesn’t command something except when its benefits surpass its disadvantages.
Thanks that's just reminded me that bin bag day is Friday this week because of the B Holiday! You are quite right though, a huddle of these woman on a street corner does look like they are waiting to be collected by the bin men. Hmmm that may actually be a good idea!
Why any woman would freely choose to wear these symbols of oppression is so bizarre. Literally expresses “Tell me you are subjugated and oppressed without telling me verbally.”
What I have yet to see really discussed (particularly here in Australia) is the fact that pursuant to our culture , a hidden face is an indication of criminality - even in cartoons for example, a mask portrays a criminal etc. Not that I am saying that the full face burqa is an indication of criminality on the part of the wearer, but it is a cultural offence in Western countries so whilst Political Correctness demands Tolerance from the Majority and allows a certain Intolerance on the behalf of a Minority per se why cannot the Muslim Community be informed of this cultural belief on our part?
More like they're just brainwashed. My girlfriend had a theory that such coverings were invented by ugly women who didn't want men seeing much better looking women, but do you know who originally wore niqabs? *Prostitutes, so that no one could identify them!*
Since around year 1000, the Islamic women have been made to wear this, so now they think "it is my choice" I like it, having only my eyes showing. Some even have to wear a grid across the eyes as well.
I was in UK for 8 days and as a foreigner I was deeply uncomfortable with the amount of women wearing a full black burqa with a face veil, I did not feel very safe around them, especially when they were in groups, I'm okay with hijab and normal clothes like many women did but a burqa regardless if with a face veil or just a hijab is way too much...
The Niqab evolved from the Islamic culture which basically regards a woman's identity as insignificant owing to the small societal role they fulfil within it. The Christian culture on the other hand, has rapidly reformed according to Christ's teachings over the years to embrace all races and genders as equal. I support Douglas Murray's argument that a degrading religious imposition should not infringe on the greater civil right required in normal human interactions. Not to be rude, but only criminals mask their identities in the free world. Again it is Islam demanding special treatment from the rest of the world.
Nowadays islam is the most dangerous cult but in former days christianity was as bad as islam. Luckily, here in the west we have known the so-called enlightenment and that's why the most horrible doctrines are no longer practiced. The muslims and the so-called "believers" in general, and especially the women and the minority groups, are the main victims of their own indoctrination with all that supernatural nonsense, mostly from childhood on! The tragedy is that most of them are too deeply brainwashed and are no longer able to realize it themselves.
I had a student who began the school year wearing nikab. She was a friendly, bright girl and I soon learned from her that she had decided to be more observant at school. She received a bit of ridicule from some male students, which I nipped in the bud. Two weeks later was September 11, 2001. The next day, the girl returned to school wearing a simple head scarf. Her parents had put a stop to the nikab, as it was basically a teenage girl's personal search for identity.
You can't even wear a crash helmet in a bank for obvious reasons but the Niqab is acceptable, two tier policy for a non native religion, abide by our way of life as we do in Muslim Countries. There's a fine line between tolerance and and political stupidity when allowing certain freedoms.
"The veil is almost normal here in East London....." how dreadful a state this is for our beautiful England..... What is said is correct, I know I can never say hello to, nor smile at any such veiled female personage in my own country.
I've seen them completely covered up while driving around. All three of the girls in the back seat were covered up, and two guys were driving them around, pedalling drugs in London. That's a fact. Why don't they get stopped and searched for suspicion? It's mind-blowing.
It's one of those things - the victims of abuse will also defend their abusers. Plenty of North Koreans who are isolated from the rest of the world and don't know any better will also defend "their glorious leader" without realizing they are being literally brainwashed and abused by an oppressive regime. I'm sure most Muslims would also agree with that. If you're born into a particular system that tells you that this must be your way of life and have no taste of the alternative, it's easy to really think you "chose" to stay that way. It's easy for left-wing liberals to go "well, see, THEY are saying they are alright with this, who are you to say they are lying/deceived?" but it clearly oversimplifies the issue. Now it doesn't mean no such thing exists in western world - every society is guilty of this to an extent, but the problem is, of course, the severity of this brainwashing as well as insistence that this system must be implemented in the countries you migrate to.
I remember a few years ago watching on YT a Muslim woman somewhere in Africa that had FGM and she was okay with it until she discovered it was not required by the Islam book.
In communications, we studied that, 9% of what goes into our brain goes through the ears, 4% through the other senses like taste, touch, and smell, and a huge part of communication which is 87% goes in through the eyes which is the visual sense. How can one interact socially with another human being when the visual sense is blocked and not able to see your beautiful face?
