The young man who was portrayed in this episode, Ronald Flowers, was actually sexually assaulted by Jeffrey. When Ron woke up in the hospital, he was beaten up with ligature marks on his neck, and he discovered blonde hair in his underwear, which Jeffrey had put back on him the wrong way. When the police went to his grandma's house, he used the same story he did with Konerak - that they were in a consensual sexual relationship and Ron had just too much to drink. Ron has talked about what happened in the Mind of a Monster documentary.
Well, I don’t think the argument is if he’s racist. He at least found black men attractive. I think he just knew where he could get away with certain things.
deffo! especially him using the 'gay' card so much. I know he was actually gay but he definitely used it to his advantage because he knew what the reaction from the cops would be. He knew it would make them uncomfortable and not care once they knew that. Passing off all the abuse as 'gay stuff' hopefully this comment makes sense idk how to word it and I don't want to sound insensitive.
Like he said, the apartment is what he could afford. The apartment is in a poor part of the city which means that it has higher crime rates and less police enforcement.
@@rachgregory3892 Dahmer definitely used the gay card to his advantage because this was like the height of the HIV pandemic and it wasn't understood as well compared to today. People literally thought you could catch the disease by interacting with gays. I think the show would have benefited more from the gay discrimination from the time instead of the systematic racism that they try in the show. It just doesn't work with the case study of Dahmer.
I honestly don’t think his family members knew anything. Being a young adult now, looking back it’s easy to live a double life and your family have zero idea what you’re doing when you leave the house, especially if you don’t talk to them as much. His family just assumed he was a “weird and awkward kid” so they didn’t bother him.
But, his family knew he wasn't "normal" from the love for dead animals to having a mannequin in his bed to exposing himself at the fair/carnival. They knew something wasn't right about him and didn't provide any help. They are just as much to blame
@@mr3thouzand i think his dad at least tried to help, he even sent that letter. Honestly, we never think our kids are capable of doing something like this, and I think it’s not right to put an equal responsibility to the father, he didn’t kill anyone, jeffrey said he was born this way, and mental health wasn’t take as seriously in the 80s than it is now, I would say the police have much more responsibility on this case because they had multiple chances to catch him, he was an adult when he did those things, the law should have been able to stop him
The worst thing about Dahmer was that his excuses stink worse than the dead bodies. That pork chop excuse is so bad. No one would believe that it would still stink of bad meat three days later.
@@whitneywilliams317 or at the very least fired without ever being reinstated like they were as well as loss there pensions and blacklisted from every PD in the country.
But at the same time they wouldnt think he was murdering people, i personally would probably just assume he lets meat go bad all the time and is embarrassed about it and so doesnt want to say or something
@@MissMusicForYou I don't know about dating, but he & Dahmer did know each other and hang out for at least a year if not more, according to the victim's friends, I believe. And one of the relatives did say Dahmer stopped by a few times as well.
@@MissMusicForYou right they made that shit up soo mfs could feel bad but truthfully it’s no different than any of the other victims n if u wanna feel “more sympathy” for anyone it should be the 14yo kids he killed
That court scene pissed me off. I can't believe after everything he has done already to get introuble with the police and they keep giving him a slap on the fucking wrist? I really want to believe this isn't real but it's was and it's absolutely horrific in every way. God this show is good but it's so hard for me to watch it.
That's one of the benefits of having white privilege I guess especially back in the day when causal racism and homophobia wasn't even something people tried to hide I was just out in the open.
I was always aware of him, but I had no idea he was such a good actor until recently! Honestly I used to think he was mostly cast in things to be a pretty face, but I was so wrong. He deserves all the awards.
Evan Peter's acting is so intense, man, I think he should at least get an Emmy nomination. His characters annoyed me often in AHS, 😂 so maybe I wasn't able to evaluate him well as an actor, but he plays this one really brilliantly!
@@BRIDGECO1 he doesnt have to be meticulously planned in order to still use that racism to his advantage. Just continue to be privileged, and continue to take victims without that same privilege. Be surrounded by witnesses who wont be given the same benefit of the doubt that he is. Whether he realized what he was doing or not, he still found himself in the perfect spot to get away with monstrosities and stayed there until the very end.
@@BRIDGECO1 He lived in a black neighborhood, so logically most of his victims happened to be black; but a racist killer would target one race specifically while Dahmer had African American victims, Latino, Native, 3 of them were actually white. He was all over the place with nationality... he simply killed those he found attractive.
As someone who has 2 of the same diagnoses as him (Borderline Personality, and Antisocial Personality), I can totally see how things could escalate to this if left unchecked, not taking medication, and no regular therapy. One of the components of BPD is a fear of abandonment... Dahmer had fear of abandonment to the extreme.
He really was just left on his own for most of his life with his thoughts unchecked. Had he perhaps gone to therapy or seen a psychologist early in his life; have someone he can talk to about these "tendencies" or "feelings", he might've never gone down the path he did. He was just holding it all in his entire life and if you do that; either with stress, depression, etc, it can explode and make you spiral out of control. I agree with Dahmer (really don't like saying that) when he says that killers are born, HOWEVER, I do think that raising a kid badly or a kid having a shitty home life will aid in raising a serial killer. While bad parenting/home life isn't the root cause, it's definitely a catalyst. Unfortunately back then (and even still now), seeking mental help, especially as a man was put down and seen as being "gay" or "girly", etc; you'd always be told to "be a man" or "man up". It was the mentality of the times. It also didn't help that Dahmer was gay as well. Just another thing he couldn't really tell anyone about without having fear he would be ostracized further for that.
@@jjpark98 Yup plus we don't know how many people there are like me who could do something bad but managed to control themselves. So there is that bias in the data, we mostly only know the ones that ended being criminals.
I disagree I think taking meds from an early age is the CAUSE of people's heads not being screwed on straight also it was explained earlier in the show that he had some weird sexual behavior towards flesh and viscera dahmers problem as horrible as it was wasn't complicated and was heavily worsened from his terrible parents and living situation no professional was going to fix that
I admit it, Evan Peters is so damn scary on this. The way he mimics his voice, mannerisms / body movements, everything !! idk how they have done all the research that good but all the actors who played their roles, their voice, body languages, the cops, oh damn it ! it's all the same irL people they were portraying especially the court scenes. I've seen the actual court / trial room videos, and they all have the accurate portrayal as the Netflix's tv series Monster Dahmer. I'm so convinced of how Evan Peters made us believed that he was Jeffy D, his voice, mannerisms / body movements , seeing the actual Jeffy D's interviews available on every apps was so unbelievably accurate as how Evan Peters does on-screen, so eerily accurate. Emmy's gotta be blind if he don't win that award. This series is so fascinating.
In the psych ward after the first night they left me alone to wander around. The first night a therapist sits down and lets me cry while rubbing my back til I fall asleep. Every week a stern in personal Psychiatrist asks me if I'm still in danger psychologically as if just wandering around the ward was supposed to be medicinal. They had 'group counseling' which is not individualized at all and did nothing to fix my mental illness. Three weeks later im discharged out into the terrifying world with no follow up or therapy. I don't mind submitting to the medical system if they actually heal but I felt warehoused and nothing more. So I'm not surprised Dahmer never got necessary care in custody 😞
This show deserves Emmy nominations for - Best Drama Series - Best Directing Drama Series Episode 7 - Best Writing Drama Series Episode 6 - Best Writing Drama Series Episode 7 - Best Actor Drama Series, Ewan Peters - Best Supporting Actress Drama Series, Niecy Nash - Best Supporting Actor Drama Series, Richard Jenkins
There’s definitely racism and homophobia on the part of law enforcement throughout this series but I’m still not sure if Jeff himself was a racist or discriminated against people by race or skin color etc. his victims really only had one thing in common and that was all were males. He targeted a wide range of males in various age groups and races. As for living in that area of Milwaukee I believe it just happened to be what he could afford which was not much. And living in that area is likely what contributed to most of his victims being black gay men because that was the predominant population among the clubs he would visit where he’d find victims
Both can be true. He may not have been targeting men of color because he wanted to harm them for racial reasons, but it was still absolutely common knowledge at the time that black communities got less effective policing. Even if that awareness was subconscious, he still used their race (and his own) to his advantage
oh no ur wrong. When he killed the people in his grandmothers house, he realized that no one came looking for them. He didn’t see them on the news or anything. He KNEW THAT. So of course what isn’t broke don’t change. He kept going after those specific people (race). He also gotten away with SO much shit because of cops so obviously he knew he could keep getting away with shit. He knew his white privilege and he knew that the cops were not gonna go looking for missing people of color.
Because when black and brown people went missing, there wasn't news coverage, there wasn't strong investigations, and nobody really cared until it came out that they had been murdered by a white man... some of them had been missing for 10 years, but it just wasnt given police attention or taken seriously because of the racism in the law enforcement surrounding Jeff's crimes
@@concretelove But a couple of his victims including his first one Steven Hicks were white? The 2 main cops in the series seemed racist but aside from them, The department and courts were all around incompetent. I mean how’s the 911 operator and every single cop just gonna ignore numerous complaints about death screams coming from a sex offenders apartment that also just happens to always smell like decaying corpse for over a year. The levels of incompetency that law enforcement displayed are beyond my comprehension, And the fact one of them got promoted to Captain after is just astounding. 🤮 So I’d agree that those 2 cops were racist but they also didn’t care about the white people he killed, It’s like they were just so stupid and lazy they didn’t wanna do their jobs regardless. That’s how it seemed to me anyway.
oh Tony.. Oh my god, that one just hit me too too much. The click Tony has with his friends, kiki-ing together in sign-language made me soooooooooo happy that was so beautiful to see and seeing Tony shine.. But yeah, at the end..it made me literally so so sad and angry
Not that it matters in the grand scheme of the way things played out but I think I heard they only had him in prison for 10 months and the family of konorak (the 14 yr old he killed after he got out) wasn't even notified. Which they should of been because by that point he'd already sexually assaulted konorak's older brother who was the boy that got him in prison in the first place.
I subscribed to you guys, you are so humble and so fun to watch! This series traumatized me for good, because it is a real thing that happened in real life.. rip to all of the victims and may god bless their families
It was well sad, because Tony was a really nice man who actually cared about Jeff just to be murdered by him 😢 I clapped in the schene where dahmer got killed
I don’t think his grandma was racist, ignorant in the way she worded things but she was from a different time and she was genuinely concerned for the guy that was at her house, the police on the other hand were blatantly racist
He may not have been racist himself, but he definitely used racism & homophobia to his advantage, which is worse imo. He knew law enforcement didn’t take minorities’ issues seriously & he recognized that homophobia scared cops away because of the stigma around homosexuality & the ignorance around the AIDS epidemic back then. The parents on the other hand, refused to take accountability of their actions/parenting. With the father brushing things off & ignoring obvious red flags, and the mother’s absence & mental health history.
What I’m looking forward to besides episode 6, is The Jeffery Dahmer Tapes documentary coming out on Netflix Oct 7th. It’ll be cool to watch that after remembering everything that happened in this dahmer series and being able to compare the two
Man I have to say that Deaf person really hit, I don’t want to spoil it for you guys but it was really sad. I was watching it with my girl and she crying over here and I’m like shocked almost.
The judge pissed me off, not only because of his leniency with Jeff, but how he treated Mr Sinthasomphone. The man spoke perfectly good English...but the judge's racist a** didn't wanna hear his English.
Duck ling- you keep commenting this but its ENTIRELY different. How many prior episodes focused on the victims story? None. So how can it not be worse to see the kid from a child and see what he was going through to put him in Jeffs path. Big fucking difference, dumbass.
Lol if you live in Milwaukee you know thats a horrible part of town only a few blocks from Marquette university. Has literally never been a good area. Still now heavy drug area
'Dahmer wasn't racist' Body parts were found on his property that were painted white iirc. He definitely targeted black men for other reasons than fetishizing/ that was his type (if I'm not mistaken) I think the cop was actually on to something. Dahmer was a calculated guy
Trigger warning? So now I’m starting to think about that fact we only get so many details from Dahmer. The portrayal always seems him being ignorant of the fact that the racism from cops and such let him get away with it for so long, so in my head he was always just “lucky” for where he ended up and everyone around him being racist… but now I’m thinking of it more how a lot of criminals do deny certain aspects of their crimes. Like when someone murders someone but they deny r*ping them because they see that as below them or worse than their other crime. So maybe Dahmer did just play it all off as ignorant to that fact, but in reality did utilized it to get away with it. I didn’t know about the painting part either!
And where exactly did you hear that nonsense? That’s 100% not true. Stop spreading false information about cases because you want to project racism onto something.
I don't know to me Dahmer always seemed like one of the stupider serial killers imo at least. Maybe he targeted black people subconsciously (like some people think) maybe not but personally I'm willing to take him at his word that race wasn't a factor it was just about looks when it came to who he chose to be his victim.
I need people to understand racism is a big part in the story, Jeffery dahmer wasn’t racist, BUT he would use racism and homophobia to his advantage, Also he found black men attractive
I have absolutely never felt legitimately this sick to my stomach watching a show/hearing a real story. Absolutely horrendous how this was just happening and he was basically just allowed to do it.
i think the human mind is more complexe than just "he was crazy". It is "nature vs nurture", are serial killers born that way or do they become that way, or is it a bit of both, is there a way to heal killers mind so they dont feel the urge, the compulsion to kill, can they be fix ?
The biggest issue with this show is the racial push. Dahmer himself, if I’m correct, was not racist. He went after people he deemed “beautiful” it’s why all the victims are very good looking. The homophobia was understandable especially with the AIDS epidemic occurring during this time but these cops and such especially in the 90s were not this racist. Maybe he got lucky and the one racist judge and multiple racist cops somehow allowed him to be free due to him being white but all the time? Idk. Peters does a great job and should be commended however.
Yes. Jeffrey himself wasn't racist, most of the victims are black because he lived in a black community. The cops were racist, had they not failed to act, the killings would've been stopped sooner.
just bc u don't know what racism is or have not experienced it does NOT mean that the situation was not racist it def was.....more of his victims were mINORITY which is why on the cops end YES THAT WAS RACIST bc they did NOT CARE....if his victims were mostly WHITE he def would have been caught.....also he did move in a neighborhood that was MAINLY BLK bc he knew NO ONE WOULD EVER THINK TWICE there....stop being so oblivious to clear social issues. There is no racial push but the facts that are facts and you're the same type of person who would swear racism is not a thing today. We need ppl like you OUT all shade- it was both racism and HOMOPHOBIA....u just dont like t see YOUR RACE in a BAD LIGHT they PUT THEMSELVES in jus say that
Racism did, and still does, play a huge role in the effectiveness of policing within various communities. Dont forget, he started in the 70's, and was caught not long before the Rodney King beating in LA. A refusal to acknowledge the role of racism in policing does not mean it isn't happening, and stats show that black and brown communities get less policing for victims and are far more likely to be arrested/convicted than white people doing the exact same crimes.
Well according to some one else Netflix left out a lot that they read in an article that Jeffrey was aware and using racism to his advantage as he uses the crazy black woman tactic on the woman trying to help the 14 yr old. they just left those parts of the conversation out
I think he definitely knew that people were checking less in under patrolled areas. The action itself was inherently racist whether Dahmer put much thought into it. Similar to the way he went into a gay neighborhood and weaponized the homophobia to get away with more / how serial killers target people like black and brown full service sex workers. More opportunity because of the racist institution. He knowingly and *intentionally* benefitted from institutionalized racism, so I don't think the question "was he racist" is that simple, nor do I think it's important lol That being said, he fetishized black men, so ya he was racist lmaooo
No he wasnt stfu yall throw racism on anything the cops n judge wer racist he just was a weirdo that lived amongst blacks because that’s where he could afford to live
That shot of the bracelet on the severed arm. It's very brief and there's nothing like it in the rest of the series. Very unnerving. ALSO...that chocolate company, correctly identified BY NAME in the series, is still in business. Odd. There was a RUMOR that Wendy's contained worms and they almost went outta business. But Dahmer mixes the chocolate at a chocolatier where he ACTUALLY kept a severed head on premises, and nothin'.
At least you're not traumatizing your cute dog anymore. Man, did he looked stressed out. I agree. This is way worse than any horror film. This is a reflection of the worst of humanity. It's a good thing the performances are so good and the production is such high quality because if it wasn't this would be unwatchable
the victims (father-son speech in the court scene) were Asians. So unfortunately, this channel doesnt give a fck about them. So they skipped the most important scene, sad tbh
Gacy dug up bodies and was successful, it's never mentioned but Gacy was in jail as Dahmer was on his spree. So I wonder was Gacy a inspiration for Dahmer doing what he did.
This series legit gave me anxiety throughout No horror film or tv series made me feel the way this did and I grew up watching a lot of them it is absolutely disturbing but phenomenal it is easily now one of Netflixs best
I think he was fully aware or he realizes he could get away with this if his victims were poor black and gay. Especially during that time period smh sad stuff. Smh
@@argeadworldwide true honestly I think he was just attracted to black or ethnic guys. It was another killer Samuel little who admitted he targeted black females bcuz nobody would give a damn about them. The same with the green river killer. He targeted sex workers
The implication of there being no news stories of missing people is that everything is super-duper racist in early 90's. Yet there was lots of news stories of all the missing black kids in 1970's Georgia when Wayne William's was active. This is why the racism angle is pure bunk, because it doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
I don't think racism was the issue here. There was no evidence at this point that he had done anything malicious to this guy, other than his say so. The drug would've been out of his system by the time he talked to the detective, and hospitals didn't routinely check for drugs. On top of that, his grandmother corroborated what he said, whether she knew or not. You can't arrest someone just because someone else tells you they did something. And on that subject, I just wanna point out that, today, people get mad when officers arrest someone and search their car without cause or a warrant, or when they get a ticket or arrested for dangerous driving, but when the officer did give Dahmer a break, and let him go while he had the body in his car, y'all get mad that the officer was being kind. Bunch of fuckin hypocrites.
I’m glad you guys are doing this because I’m too scared to actually watch it, so atleast I’m seeing some of the stuff. Crazy how his victims were black,makes you think why he chose them. I’m curious if he ever admitted to being racist because why wouldn’t he if he was already being send to prison, might as well just say the truth about that
I watched the court testimony of this young man and he said that after the night, a year later he ran into JD at the nightclub. He got upset and went after JD, JDs response…, why don’t I buy you a cup of coffee and we can discuss it!! I kid you not
No, Dahmer was racist. At least subtly racist. It's too convenient that he mainly targeted people of colour, which he knew the police didn't give as much attention to, while also moving into a black neighbourhood, knowing the police wouldn't bother him there. Plus, they did episode 2 completely wrong. If you check out one the real stories from one of the women who was helping the 14-year-old boy. She said Dahmer called her "an angry black lady" as an excuse to get the police away quicker. Which worked because of the things I just listed. I think it's easier to think it wasn't targeted when you aren't the kind of person that would be. For example, we all think wild animals are scary because they can hurt us, but in the perspective of a wild animal, that's bs. To a wild animal, they're just living their life and hunting other mammals is necessary. To us, we're a potential meal. So, you can see how it would be weird. If a hyena moved into a neighbourhood filled with gazelles, mainly murdered gazelles, ate gazelles and knew nothing would be done about it because the police are also hyenas and then when the gazelle finally speaks up the hyena says that gazelles are too vulnerable and paranoid and overreact. And then you hear hyenas talk about how all these things come down to pure luck.
He said himself that he knew that black and brown people wouldn’t be looked for, so I don’t think he was racist but he definitely used it to his advantage
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