It's time for me to quit Genshin TCG 

another thing i want to add on is deckbuilding is so stupid, you make a unique deck that wins like 3 games and you feel good, only to get destroyed to someone running cynoverload or stall. Its also stupidly hard to play casually because nowadays if you want to win you have to magic 18 dice or do 46 damage by round two.

first justapal and then you, i'll miss you tcg youtubers, and remember the hours i've spent enjoying your content, but everything you said is true.

Bro, I started watching RU-vid because of you. Guess I'll delete RU-vid.

Honestly, I kinda stopped playing tcg since stall decks became more prominent when match-making. It kinda felt boring and like frustrating just playing against them with my goofy electro childe deck and the new cards became just too op and hard to understand for me. Eventually, i just quit tcg. I honestly don't really understand or like the new cards so much and the decks that can just oneshot you with big pp numbers. It really just doesn't appeal as much as 3.6 tcg

1:55 this is true for Random Matchmaking (rmm) this is why most people are playing in Arena of Champions instead cuz u dont gain anything in rmm also there is a hidden matchmaking rank (mmr) in the rmm for Global but in CN there's a website where u can view what rank u are in that mode which is crazy how competitive CN are... and Global is kinda behind I just hope that they'll add something which makes players play more TCG but to be fair TCG is just there as a very minor side content unlike abyss/theatre where u get primogems and yes most ppl find TCG boring and that's understandable cuz I played other TCGs for more than 5 years now... the only way I motivate myself to play is just brain exercise pretty much 😂 I hope you'll come back with more content especially in 5.3 and 5.8 cuz thats usually where TONS of cards will come out also this patch for TCG seems dry im not gonna lie 🙃

Bro, I started playing tcg because of you

Man, I agree with every single point I'm also burned out from the game for the same reasons and I don't even make content with it (which I assume takes more time, hence more burn out) This is one of the reasons why stall decks are the death of me, I literally quit midway one of the CTG because I kept getting stall players and I'm not going to sit 40 minutes + MM five times a day slogging through boring ass games There's also the fact that they just release omega busted cards that will clearly dominate the meta and then they nerf them to the ground, I mean, understandable that they want to keep the game fresh, but it's also exhausting keeping up every update Anyway, I look forward to content on regular genshin and it seems like the usual pipeline of genshin content creation is...other hoyo games lmao, don't forget you're here forever

Its sad to hear that your quiting but your reasoning makes sense, TCG has gone from "what can i do with the cards i have" to "how can i draw/topdeck the cards i want/need", Anyway looking forward to you getting back to back aces in valorant

This is very understandable, I considered quitting last patch as well cuz playing keqing whale mirror every match just took way too long for me and it's also just super boring to play the same thing over and over, my main issue with tcg is the way they design it encourages only one or two main strategies and if you play anything else you just lose, and then they nerf that strategy only to replace it with another dominant strategy the next patch... It's unfortunate but I hope you continue to make regular genshin videos and other stuff :)

I don't get why people need so long to think.

u were the reason i started tcg i am now stuck in this hell i understand quitting its so dry but i hope u come back someday 🙏

I can relate to the luck and the time issue. In tournaments it almost takes 20+ min to complete a single match. Who got that much time to stare at your opponents cards while they strategies. And you have to complete 5 of 'em. And speaking about RNG, 4/5 matches my dice roll and card draw sucks.

all thats true, even I stopped playin for a while bc I got bored, but I always like to watch some videos, theyre relaxing. but its undeniable tcg is leaving behind by all the content creators I use to watch, not just you an justapal, a few others too. well it was a good era and ill keep here for all the content you gonna upload. valorant, genhin, minecraft, lol, whatever, Im supporting you

TCG is pretty much like every game you play : you discover, you play, you get better, you feel confident and talented, and then there's this part where you discover META and get bored of always the same looking decks. I only play because It's a good occupatiion when you don't have anything to do, I agree. Goodbye in the world of TCG 👋

Every single patch, the game releases new mechanic to be super meta. I always challenge myself trying to beat them with other decks, but most of the time it didn't work... Also, i totally agree about stall decks. It took too long to finish just one game (especially Barbara stall😭). Whenever I matched with them, I wanna concede right there. That hydro cleanse, +2 Tenacity shield and +4 healing makes the game at least 10 round to finish and I ain't got time for that. ps. As for other games, I do enjoy Honkai : Star Rail too! I hope to support you in other type of content also, thank you!

Thank you very much for all the tcg clip. I love your commentary very much. It is sad to know that you will not continue, but i understand your every reason. Sometimes i found the game not fun too when facing the player who think too long or getting my bad rng.

I'm going to follow you wherever you go, I really like watching you play 😭😭😭 thanks for making the game more visible and I'm sorry for your bad experiences, I'm going to miss you sm :((

thanks for your content up so far, i really enjoyed your vids and plays

I've been playing pve only since the discard meta. When I tried to give pvp a chance it was either against a stall deck or someone going afk to waste your time in hope that you give up. Every patch releases a new game breaking mechanic that makes you face the same deck over and over again, I don't blame you one bit. It was fun to see you collab with justapal tho, maybe you could do some videos together about regular genshin :)

Hi Zen :D (this is my first time commenting on a video feels weird but anyway) I just wanted to express my joy whenever i watch your tcg videos, they make my day 10x better. You are the reason why i started playing tcg and i agree that tcg definitely has become more boring now that everyones just not using skills to fight for the win and just spamming keqing whale cyno overload blah blah. Its not competitive and not fun anymore :( but yeah I definitely look forward to the content you will post in the future! All the best, Zen!!

I think it was around the time they added the melusine card where you can generate random cards was the beginning of the end. I did love the random RNG from that, but it really incentivized decks to cater to specific build types and if you were not playing it, you were losing to someone who was using it. Then Fontaine healing cards just made games way too long and frustrating as well as units like Layla that can passively apply cryo even after they fall which made freeze decks that had healing super annoying. Eventually when whale and bloom came out, it’s all I saw for like that whole patch and nothing was as consistent at winning so it became a can’t beat them join them. I haven’t really played actively since but I haven’t really played tcg in general because I have a job and I can barely play the 15 minutes on my work days let alone catch up on my off days. I appreciate the tcg videos just because no one really covered it, but I do respect the decision. Hopefully will get more content from you in general or if a future tcg patch fixes some of these problems we can see a return.

For me, personally, it's the reverse. I don't find playing normal genshin fun but the tcg is what keeps me coming back every patch to see what new cards/ mechanics they've added every update. I can see why you're quitting as the 4.8 and 5.0 metas are shaping up to be pretty stale as there's like 3 decks going around right now, being kazuha, xianyun, and crab. A few of my pain points for tcg are the balance changes geared leaning so heavily into one playstyle where you just stall until you get a round where you can overwhelm your opponent with dice, and having your decks be tailored into drawing those dice generators asap with countdown t1 and gilded shenanigans. It's like every deck is an abuser of magic engine, or something built around pyro res because that's the only thing that forces magic to not ramp 8 turn 1. I think the best time for gitcg was 4.7, Where pretty much all the broken stuff was at its height. Pre nerf Kaveh, YJ, Whale, Treasure, the whole shabang. It allowed for so many decks that you could play to reasonable success bc of the pure strength of the characters themselves and not the cards you paired with them. Kaveh specifically allowed for a completely different way of deckbuilding that we've never seen before, and it was pretty fun having a deck that's just raw dmg output. Furthermore, furina wriothesley treasure decks actually let you contend with some of the better meta decks by using treasure as a catalyst to avoid key breakpoints vs sayu wgs and match the sheer dice output of conwhale. I think treasure, while before 4.8, was a problematic card and was pretty annoying to play against, was one of the, comparatively speaking, healthier cards for the meta. But then... it and many other cards got gutted in the 4.8 patch (some deservedly so) which just meant that if your deck relied in any way shape or form on treasure, that deck is now dead, so the meta instantly just reverts back to all the decks that were good pre 4.8... which is magic and pyro res.... What changes to tcg do you think would make it more fun? I think for me if we had a larger deck size, and maybe reworking card draw to be less cards drawn overall, but more choice in the card you draw (Ex: using countdown now draws 1-2 cards of your choosing instead of 4 off of topdeck, using timaeus lets you draw an artifact you want instead of it being random) Love to hear your thoughts!

i havent even touched tcg since 4.7 .. it just got too boring + annoying.. soo many cards, too much skills and all.. and i feel exactly the same way as u do! And as for content, we would love to see u play regular genshin too! :D ❤

Wuthering Waves is a game that could use some guides if you're interested in it

I started really watching TCG content because of you and didn't really have any card game knowledge (Go Fish does NOT count) so I learned from your videos how to navigate the cards and plan decks and also how to manage dice better because you always explained what you were doing and why. Thank you so so much for all the work you've put in making videos to share, they've really helped me out a lot and plenty of others too. And I agree with a lot of other commenters that since you can't really play whatever you wanna outside of the meta and expect to succeed with skill alone (unless you're playing at high levels which... most of us are not i think lol) then it gets boring and/or frustrating, and I've definitely been playing it less because of that, so I totally get the shift away from TCG. I think you're very funny and that humor of yours would translate really well to regular Genshin and also to Valorant, and I'll watch content regardless of what you choose to go with just for that! Thank you for your TCG content until now!! And as a Kaveh main, I thank you for your service in providing Kaveh TCG content 🫡

It's nice to see You join the dark side, my friend. I officially declare You dismissed from TCG. We both know that when it comes to games between us, I always had the upper hand and You never had a chance of beating me anyway. So run ahead with a clear and empty mind, free from TCG, and don't look back as it's now it's time to begin your journey anew. Here's to hoping that you take the _Impact_ from Genshin Impact and manage to place it somewhere else, or recycle it back into Genshin. Either one is fine really. Make sure to not fall into irrelevence either. And if you're ever in the mood, I'll always be down for another game or two. 😉

Nooooo another good tcg RU-vidr is gone. :c I’ll miss watching your vids

i understand because ig i just got burned out after playing hours of tcg a few months back. its literally just how to make the best deck and theres no fun in using the deck u enjoy cus ur just gonna get destroyed by whatever new thing is out (havent played in a while baha) your channel was my fav for a while tho... sigh

Nooo :( you’ll be missed

Make asmr. Your voice is really soothing

This makes sense it seems like everyone quitting Genshin but wow I loved your voiceovers

I miss being excited to play tcg. Your content was really good though, it's a shame

Very understandable bc I also quitted tcg myself during Fontaine, I just felt like it’s too “meta dominant”, if u get a slightly worse rng u can almost never win against meta decks like MEW or stall decks w high dmg output like Nilou bloom (idk abt now). If u wanna win for most of the time you are basically forced to use a more meta deck as well, if u use ur own creative decks that are not meta, u are prepared to face a lot of losses Btw no offense, when you said the playerbase is dwindling, such as looking at the views on YT, did u mean the whole game in general? Or just tcg channels views? Bc imo, tcg channels are indeed losing views bc ig more ppl lost interest in tcg, but for the whole game in general it still holds a lot of attention

It’s understandable, one day you’ll just get a burnout from even the most fun games. I only play TCG maybe once or twice a week so it’s still extremely fun for me, but playing it every day would become boring for me easily too. The reason I followed you was not only TCG but also your personality, so I think I’ll stay subscribed and I’m looking forward to your future videos! Genshin videos are always awesome, but it would ofc also be entertaining to see you suffer in Valorant xD It would also be very interesting to see you maybe try out new games! Strinova is an upcoming gacha game just like Valorant but with anime girls and a pretty cool new technique where you can transform into paper to dodge attacks and fly in the air! Since you like Valorant you could maybe like this one too :D So yeah, I wish you good luck and lots of fun with your future videos :)

I'm personally a stall enjoyer specifically because i feel like it's the playstyle that relies the most on skill, whenever i play aggro I feel like the game is solely dictated by how i roll my dice and if i roll pyro res. But then since the jeht meta stall has never recovered fully and the game has kept relying on more and more on the rng.... which sucks if i'm being honest, your deck's power relies so heavily on action cards instead of the characters you pick that all the decks i go against feel the same... Its always the most busted cards of the patch before it gets nerfed, making the whole strategy you learned useless in a few weeks....... I also feel like hoyo has put too much focus on implemeting new gimmicks that it's hard to keep up and older characters feel abandoned... I miss the use three dice deal three dmg skills man., i just want to play the characters i like the most without feeling like im being punished for not using deck of the patch(tm).

TCG now = Who is the best meta spammer

I’ve also considered quitting tcg since every mechanic is always powercrept by newer ones. A deck I used and won many games with in 4.8 is now completely useless in 5.0. Also, there are way too many mechanics now and I can’t be bothered to learn them all.

You were so interesting to watch 😢 thank you for the TCG content😊 I'd love to watch some Valo gameplay I'm bad myself😂

I still like the game personally (maybe I like being in pain mentally or something like that💀) but your reasons for quitting are very much understandable The wait time is indeed a problem especially in NA & EU I think. 5 minutes wait time is still not that bad compared to the wait time in NA & EU during odd hours. In NA I have reached 59 minutes 59 seconds not just once but twice💀💀 and that's how I found out apparently it resets back to 0:00 And the Ayaka boss solo is nice haha

I've been playing Genshin TCG since release, I find TCG was genuinely more fun at the time since the whole game was pretty simple & easy to understand. The main reason I played TCG was to collect dynamic skins for the characters at first. After playing TCG for such a long time, it just felt like a massive waste of time tbh. TCG never felt rewarding to play & on top of that some players in rmm are just so toxic with their time wasting antics, instead of playing card game it quickly become time wasting competition (yes I just time stall them back lol).

I find pve to be fun to do from time to time because it's like puzzle solving pvp isn't fun tho same way yu gi oh isn't fun for me anymore people will just use the most meta tactics and it become people using the same decks over and over again until the next meta characters arrive

AWW NOOOO but nah me personally i loved ur zenless zone video even tho i dont play it. apart from genshin i also think valorant vids sound like a funny idea. if u play overwatch thatll be nice to see too :3

Why is everyone suddenly quitting TCG??? Did I miss a chapter??

6:29 i will literally watch you play anything man🫡

I like Genshin TGC, but sad to say is a mode with out any incentive to be played , no real rewards and no ranking to have a reason to improve,this mode gives you no objectives o reasons to play at all.

I understand that, I got into tcg to play with my friends and I loved to watch your card game videos. Even though I stopped playing, it was always fun to watch you play. I’m excited to see you play other games and maybe some other strategy games you upload to the channel 😯 thank you for sharing all your tcg matches and commentary🩷

What I realy like in genshin (in addition to TCG) is spiral abyss. I think I would love to see you doing abyss run. But maybe you don't like it and you don't want to upload this on your youtube channel, wich I can understand

Any thoughts on moving to other tcg games like YGO: MD, MTG, or others?

If you play pokemon showdown, why not upload it? It's not that popular either but if you're already playing it you might as well. But if you don't mind pve games I think project moon games would be fantastic for games that require thinking.

Please play osu. Click those circles.

And now the second good TCG tuber goes 😭 it's really sad that you stop with tcg because we could learn a lot from you and were able to improve our way of playing but I don't want to talk bad about your decision or try to stop you from it or any stuff like that. I’ll be still subscriber to you and would like to thank you for all the effort you put into showing us your games, thank you very much 🥹 ❤

Dang everyone is quitting 🥲justapal and elgris

understandable 🫡 thank you for uploading tcg videos for all this time, you're the reason i got better at it and you've been my favorite tcg youtuber since the game came out :) if you ever want to i'd love to see more zzz videos, i liked the one you did when it first came out!