Italian Cruisers: How To | World of Warships 

My father was a non-commissioned officer aboard the TRENTO from 1940 until June 2 1942 when she was sunk by the British. My father went down with the ship. He survived by hanging on to flotsam for some 14 hours. He was aboard her at Matapan.

Real life: Zara class had no torps; most heavily armoured cruiser until the arrival of the Des Moines class post WW2; regarded by most naval historians as the best Washington Treaty cruiser (along with the Algerie). WG and "in game": fragile as per Italian flavour. To WG: did you really do your homework here?

woow you can absolutely dominate the enemies with those ships.... ....in Co-op lol

How to play Italian Cruisers: Throw a few AP rounds at them and enjoy the citadel ribbons. Oh, you meant how to play AS Italian Cruisers? Why would you want to do that?

These ships need substantial buffs, the SAP one announced one week ago is *not* enough! Give them a Main Battery Reload Booster as their damage is pitiful, the only strength they should have! EDIT: just noticed how the video says SAP can't ricochet until 80 degrees, that's false! They can at 70! So bring the assured angle back to 80!

Giulio Cesare: best pizza Roma: good pizza Italian premium cruisers: average pizza Italian cruisers and Genova: pizza with pineapple

"Starting from Tier 5, Italian cruisers have 203mm guns". While this is true of the premium T5 cruiser Genova, it is NOT true of the researchable ships; Raimondo Montecuccoli (T5) has 152mm main armament. The tech-tree 203mm guns do not start until Tier 6. I know your statement is technically correct, but some might see it as misleading. I do believe the Montecuccoli could do with 1 to 2 seconds quicker reload time.

Feel bad for italians, they waited a long time for their ships and finally they got crap...

How to Pizza de Pasta: 1. You don't.

And here I am waiting for 1 or 2 spanish ships at least...

Can't start fires, no armor, no radar, no hydro, crappy concealment, long reload... Am I missing something? What was it that was supposed to have made these good?

How to play italian cruisers? You dont

change the horrible reload on guns and maybe it would be playable - for now its worst in game for every tier :/

1:49 what kind of ... "statement" is that? It´s like saying "Although gasoline engines don´t differ much from Diesel-powered ones, they can also move a car" Wouldn´t make a difference if you just leave out that sentence.

As an italian I'm offended by those "ships"

I am gonna make a controversial comment: my first impression of italian cruisers, specifically the Trento after unlocking her with the combat mission, was quite positive. I do like the heavy cruiser playstyle and I think SAP and the exhaust smoke are interesting new mechanics. Plus the slow long ranged torps are surprisingly effective. However, after playing multiple games with her, being both bottom and top tier, I did start to struggle with her. Her damage output is quite low. I consider myself to have fairly good aim, but most of the time I averaged around 1K per salvo. SAP can be powerful, but 5 and 6K salvos are the exception not the rule. Considering her slow reload as well I struggle to break 100K in almost every match. So I do think italian cruisers need some help so I am glad that their SAP is getting a pen-angle buff. Another controversial oppinon: I don't think the armour is that big of a problem. Yes its very weak, but actively maneuvering, changing speed and using the occasional charge of exhaust smoke really does help IMO. The big problem I see with italian cruisers are their low overall damage output. They are glass-cannons. They should be high risk/high reward - ships which I think they will be with an increase to their damage output.

Italian Cruisers: How To - play the Smolensk until they're buffed out of hot garbage tier

This video would have been perfect for April Fool's Day. The line is HORRIBLE! Italian players should be offended at this line.

So it´s basically a "gitgud" comment like the one they gave when introducing the broken GZ, just put in a video?

also note how all the examples are done in the Training room; in reality you very often CANNOT pull off these shots in a game with live players; and at these ranges expect to die or get citadelled to death exposing even slight broadside.

I like the new crusiers although their DPM leaves much to be desired. They need 15s reload, not 20

So to conclude: - Reload is horrible - Ricochet angles are horrible - Usable DPM is horrible - Tech tree ships at T5 have 152mm guns not 203mm - Genova is garbage, worst ship in the game. WG response to the abysmal issues with the ships.... "git gud" 😒 I really like the idea and playstyle, they just simply are not good enough to even compete

I dont understand why for WG is so difficult to admit mistakes. This line and the SAP was rushed too much. It required more testing. So wouldn't it be better to say "sorry we screw up and will take more time to test this ships" .

ZARA AP cannot pen the side of a Tier IX BB at 4km Italian Cruisers need BIG BUFFS and hydro acoustic search

“Pure pleasure” pure pain more like. I’ve been trying them out in Public test and they really need buffing. Reload times are terrible overall and in the Genova it’s a joke and the sap shells are pretty useless except on DDs but hey reload is so slow they’ll kill you well before you can get a second shot off. And the smoke which follows you although a good idea just doesn’t last long enough to be effective and you don’t have enough of them. I was really looking forward to these Italian cruisers with a different play style but Wargaming have really messed up on this one which is sad.

these ships arent for me and i doubt if they are for anyone really, u get spotted almost at the maximum range you shoot at and they are paper. i quit after unlocking tier 6 most maps are open with you have to getting closer to engage and closer to getting 1 or 2 shotted from a bb that shoots at you from the other side of the map . the ammo is cool but that alone cant make a ship. you really need to consider rework their concealment of their firing range. and its not like you have hydro to counter DD's or a smoke that lasts longer like most ships do, its like a one legged man on an ass kicking contest.

Dont matter how you play them SAP is useless so your stuck with AP, best play the British cruiser line :)

guys seriously buff the reload. i know you want to make a slow reload high alpha type class, but the lack of fires really hurt the damage output potential of these ships, especially with the super long reload. also make the pen angles pre nerf.

This How to Video is as legit as Pineapple on Pizza

All you need to know about SAP is that it has the weaknesses of both HE and AP and very few of the strengths

Buff the reload FFS, I enjoy playing with my pity montecuccoli, but It's insane to have a 14 seconds reload in a T5 cruiser.

1) Don’t play the Italian gourmet bread line. 2) Select the OP Russian counter part, and profit.

This was my Favorite update of last year

Just avoid Italian ship at the moment, WG made them bad

> Starting from Tier 5. The Italian ships will have 203mm Guns. This is incorrect. The T5 Researchable Italina cruiser has 152mm guns.

Buff the reload time on the main battery...even by like 3 or 4 seconds. Or give them a lesser version of the reload booster

The short answer to "Italian Cruiser: How To, is Don't play them. The Italian Navy, AKA the ships that got shafted by Russian Bias.

People who liked the video are either WG staff or people that haven't played the pasta ships yet. This is the worst line ever released in WOWs. Period. The SAP is pathetic, the guns are mediocre, the armor is quite bad, the reload is terrible etc. Garbage ships and a line to be skipped unless they buff them A LOT which could happen after 5-6 updates judging by the speed of the re-balancing so far.

Only have the tier V tech line but here is my opinion Good things so far: Very maneuverable. Can go around obstacles and islands with little issues. I love the speed on this thing. Decent torpedo range to surprise inattentive foes As always attention to detail in ship design. Good job animators! Full speed Smoke generators Things that need improvement: SAP reload time. Low tier so I know it shouldn't be all that impressed but if the whole line has high reload times the faction will suffer in the damage department. On average in a random battle in the mont I get between 16k to 35k in damage which sadly I can sometimes do 16k in my Albany since it can set fires. Since they cannot set fires I would make them have a faster reload time to compensate for that as say a battleship will not suffer the same against regular HE. Slightly better concealment when firing guns. Right now at least on the tier V the concealment like is somewhat near the gun range line, this result in the ships having to move away from the battle sooner than other ships and is more vulnerable to mass targeting. And it is fast and maneuverable but it is not a French cruiser by any means.

They need a concealment buff! How should we get close to an enemy, hit him hard and run away, when you're spotted from the moon?

ANyone notcied that they are ONLY against bots in this video?...

While I appreciate the effort in bringing us these videos, but they will not make Italian cruisers good or even decent. The Amalfi on Tier 8 not having a heal, not having hydro, missing radar and being a very very light cruiser, is just bad. Cruisers with these traits usually sit behind islands or in stationary long lasting smoke screens but not the Italians (and Germans...). They have flat trajectories that force them into the open, but while British cruisers got smoke and Germans have at least some protection, Italaians got nothing. Concealment and not using your guns is your best bet on survival and you will have a hard time marketing thsese things to the players.

"SAP shells are new to the game." And they should be removed as quickly as they were added. Give me my HE back.

how about instead of a "How to play" these ships video, you make them not crappy? reload is 15 seconds on a T6 with 8 guns; best concealment on it is 12.7km AND your smoke takes over 2 minutes to come back up after like a 25 second puff AND your bloom in smoke is still over 9-10km and you have no HE. DO NOT play these cruisers unless you are ready for a painful grind; ESPECIALLY in +2 matchmaking.

Wow. You are rellay making these ships sound better then they are 😂

Please wg buff the reload time of all Italian cruisers

Unfortunately there needs to be a solid buff to pen angles, reload speed etc. unfortunately they’re VERY situational and feel like floating citadels especially at low-mid tiers. Not to mention the anemic damage towards the BB bois and girls. Additionally, tech line wise: doesn’t the tier V still have 152mm?

How about a radar on Tier IX Brindisi and X Venezia? Historically, Italian ships were equipped with GUFO, the first Italian built radar. Roma was one of the many Italian warships which equipped it. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gufo_radar

You nerfed SAP, nerfed armor, nerfed reload and give basically only 1 smoke to italian cruiser line, Horrible AA, torps almost useless and so on... italian line is .."meh"... and you dare also to write and say "..The ships of the Italian branch have a number of advantages that can surprise your rivals and help you find a way out of almost any situation." ? Come on guys.....

Excellent material! I truly love the ARMADA series and especially the ones longer than 90 seconds. Thanks WOWS!!!

How to play pasta cruiser 1- wait for buff

Im still convinced that the velocity of the shells is slower than advertised they need to check it. The Italian line is very weak you simply cant carry in them or have a large impact on the game especially with the lets hug at the back meta the cv rework brought with it or the influx of recruiting station players that have come on boaed.

Meanwhile in Azur lane.. Zara Bacame the pasta

WG makes these ship sounds good.. then you start playing, then your like WTF, you go back to this video, and your like what am I doing wrong.. then you realize.. the ships suck.. not you.

Fair warning, these are my opinions after playing the T5-T7 (since the T8 drop chance was made to be 0.001% as a joke) I wouldn't play these at any point unless absolutely necessary to complete a mission while grinding my teeth... take it with a grain of salt. Lets see... How to play your new Italian mistake (erm...) cruiser: First lets look at the aspects of your new researchable Italian cruiser 1) Total lack of DPS () 2) SAP shells with more DMG than AP, but 100% lackluster in performance (but hey you can shoot DDs right?!) 3) AP shells that shatter, ricochet, bounce off of BB and Cruiser armor but citadel for 4k dmg@ about 3-6km from target (203mm guns right? WTF!!!) 4) Battleship reload times on a cruiser (see point 1 for more details. What were you people thinking?!!) 5) Paper thin armor that makes an Atlanta laugh at you, DDs spit on you, and BBs love you (Awesome! Ever been citadeled by an Icarus in a T7 cruiser from any other line?) 6) Total lack of support consumables (good luck finding those DDs, see point 2. GOOD LUCK BUDDY!) 7) Detactability at range of torps (we'll come back to this) 8) 12km torps, slow speed, detected at long range (and sure enough, range is under or just at detectability, see point 7) 9) Fighter or Spotter plane (see point 10) 10) AA deadzone where you can't hit a thing, but you sure can't get away (Maybe use that awesome smoke?) 11) Smoke where you can roll full speed (Awesome if it lasted long enough to get out of range of the BB that spotted you before you popped smoke) Now lets look at how you play: 1) Sink by fire after being spotted 2) Sink by massive inc DPS as you are a pinata seen for miles 3) Sink by torps you couldn't see, from the DD you tried to chase into smoke without sonar 4) Sink by massive dmg, while spotted trying to chase the DD into smoke because SAP rouns are awesome against DDs 5) Sink because you came up broadside to an atlanta and his AP does more than yours (great armor there) 6) Sink because a plane keeps circling you, but you can't shoot it making you a pinata 7) Sink after popping smoke because it ran out before you could get out of range of that BB you wanted to use SAP rounds on because it "LOOKS" like that bit of his bow isn't saturated 8) Sink because this boat sux 9) And Finally, get kills by holding fire until your teammates have them down to 1-2k hp and snap that stuff up like a scavenger, then sink because you were spotted

3:12 another feature is thier consumables: in addition to repair party (WOW none has that ) you can have scout plane or fighter . WOW WO W WO W another exclusive! IS THIS A JOKE ? WG DO YOU REALLY THINK WE ARE STUPID?

Aim for lightly armoured sections like the... magazines? Really?

love the maneuverability on them but the moment anything even looks at them wrong. their engine and steering breaks. every single match ive used them in, first hit, there goes the engine. even with the upgrades to help prevent it.

usless ships good work wg only release broken op russian ships the other countreis you make sucky...................

"Very rarely bounce off" and 2 of 6 hits bounces on video :D Even u showing the SAP shells are weak.

How to. Stay at long range and lose Karma faster than your health pool evaporates when shot by a BB. Angle away and save your smoke for retreats. Torps are used to annoy team mates/go pink. Abandon hope of damaging anything angled against you or RU BBs. Wish you were playing a French cruiser instead. That cover it?

And the award for worst line now goes to... The Italian Cruisers! Why does Wargaming insult the Italians so badly with this awfully line? They had a better navy than the Russians did in World War Two. Is it jealousy? I understand why they hate the British and make there tanks and ships bad, after they got their arse handed to them by the combined forces in the Crimea, I wonder if the Italians where there too.

I really wanted to like these ships and they look great on paper but they pop way too easily and SAP is underwhelming. I'll be avoiding them until they get a buff

These ships aren't entirely garbage, but their stats are insanely padded in a negative way. Gotta' lower that Main Battery reload to 15 secs stock. Smoke CD needs to be lowered considerably. Torps should do 15-16K dmg at least. It's a triple launcher, and they're slow AF FFS. But honestly the reload change alone would probably put them in a way better place and compensate for the lack of fires.

i open around 24 containers and only got the t5 Montecuccoli its horrible, not getting any more containers horrible RNG to get any of those ships.

Mzybe on higher tiers SAP works like on this film, buy when i play trento i have a lot of dings, from cruisers too not only from bbs

The SAP shell would have been a brilliant idea if it was the British alternate ammo type. And the low speed of the Italian torps forces you to get close, making the longer range irrelevant.

1, Avoid getting shot at. 2, Occasionally try to shoot something (and really hope you hit or you'll be waiting ages to reload 3, See 1.... 4, See 1. Disagree with Vigilance - better to spend it on torp acceleration (they're so slow!) and rudder shift much more useful than acceleration. Not really sure what radio location is for either - pushing in in these ships is suicidal. It's not that you can't play them, just that it's not very fun - everything they do the French or Japanese do better. Good for a challenge, not sure I'm finding them fun yet though (only done T5 and T7 though).

even DDs bounce off SAP ..... Why we need to use acceleration upgrade on a cruiser that has to be on the move ??!!!!

I have 1 tip , you don’t

You guys don’t know what you’re missing these thing are fast and have powerful gund but I do wish they would add battleships

I like the idea of these glascannons.. the lack of range is an issue.. and they have no armor. Maybe the T10 will be a good armed ship in the end. i love the AP

remove SAP.

Everybody gangsta until the Italians made warships

Genova : 20s reload and no smoke : not interesting !

Just don’t... you are a disadvantage to your team by doing so

6:19 It was at this moment that Nathan knew he fked up

Italian snoozers

*don't. Safe some time and play another nation or entire game.

so this is how you pizza the medium italian girls

Apparently even WG didn't want to play those ships in randoms against real players and made a bot-stomp video playing CoOp instead.

Nice ad. In reality most T5 Italian CAs parameters need to be increased to T5 average levels: DPM (by reducing the rate of fire a couple of seconds), range (by a km), rudder shift, reducing the citadel because pretty much every BB AP hit from ANY angle gets a citadel.

Took four years but happy to see the Regia Marina and that they aren't just an HE spewing broken game mechanic line...they take skill and planning to use effectively.

Why is that WG puts out the STILL VERY BROKEN Russian battleship line, a middle of the road, French destroyer line, and now the bottom of the barrel Italian cruiser line? Either WG is getting lazy, they stopped caring (it was 20% at best), or they think we're just too stupid to notice.

1. click sell

So here's the thing that came to my mind, even the SAP ammo can't Citadel any ship. So what's the purpose of not giving them still s fire Chance?

Genova stats 8 battles: WR 100%, average frags 3, average damage 70,000. Its only 8 battles but that's not bad. As much as they seem built to fail I do great with them.

In the future I wish that aircraft carrier Shinano would be there and I 400 japanese submarine

I was expecting Flamu screaming for 7 mins about Pizza cruisers

If you want to experience 8 citadels in the first 2 mins of the game this is definitely the ship for you

I can deal with Italian ships so I'll take it any day but won't play it all the time, but when I'm determined enough I never perish in the game no matter what I have sailing for a battle, except for destroyers cuz it's too fast and fragile...

How to play them: Step 1: don’t

Why the Italian cruiser aren't in the PlayStation edition of this game

4:26 that handbrake turn tho,

I am gonna wait with playing these cruisers until I get the new legendary Luigi captain. Then I can level both the line and him at the same time.

Had a thought what about adding a baked in reload boost for the SAP ammo keep reload same on AP , switch ammo based on AP

How to play Italian Cruisers: Don't, unless it's the premiums, and then not the Genova.

Wait for buff patch

Give Roma those semi-AP shells. Her guns are actually big enough that they'd be useful.

Another proof that you don't play your own game... SAP is useless...