Italy's Political Chaos: Why the PM Tried to Resign 

thank you for adding this i find it quite important

Mario Draghi: I quit! Mattarella: No.

Mattarella refused the resignation because even without 5 stars, there’s still a majority in Parliament. Draghi tried to because he said that the informal pact that led to the creation of this government was broken by them.

Also Italy's system is not purely proportional and a Right/center-right coalition would EASILY have the majority.

Also here in Italy we don't understand, so that's fine mate

Ahahahah so true

Foreigners doesn't comprehend how our superior politics work, a new government every year or less chosen always after a political crisis, eddaje forza magggica

As an Italian, I agree

Unfortunately yes, I just wish we had more stability

A natural disaster? I feel like UK politics is going the same way.

Hahahha, pretty much :D

remember when early this year i wanted my retirement but this fuckers electedd me again and basically force me to help ride the ship well i can't leave so you can't either

You understand how Italian politics work more than many Italians

@@ChristianIce christianairte tu stai ovunque

@@frafrafrafrafra Oggi mi perdonerai, mi devo sfogare... :)

hailing from South Korea: Trust me mate, Korean politics are even more fukced up than this, how do you think we were divided for 80 fukcing years?

As a fellow Italian, I can’t object it: Italian politics really suck

Italian *parliament

Tutto cambia affinché nulla cambi.

@@alienelephant4721 well, in your case it was the cold war power destabilising the country by not letting you have your civil war, we Italians did all the work

Draghi: Yeah, dude, it's not really up to you :)

@@ChristianIce hey ChristianIce nice to see you here

@@giovannipelissero1886 Cheerz! (well, it's not really the right day for that...)

I resign your resignation

Very good point!

So every year new government 😲

I am Italian and yes, this is pretty common

The 8th economy thing is just living off the past. Italy has barely grown in many years and the demographic shock will hit hard. Italy is gonna come crumbling down and end up closer to 20.

8th developed economy and still have the highest debt to gdp in EU. The Italians have low income tax. That's what's the problem here. If a recession comes Italy is in deep shit.

More like "no, you CAN'T leave me with these childish idiots!"

well i guess that would confirm just how uncooperative that workplace is lol

@@whitezombie10 Especially because we have some very Fascistic-like politicians.

We need to implement some kind of stability mechanism. Something that prevents these collapses. It's shameful and ridiculous at this point how often this happens. Either by giving more power to the President or by forcing the parliament to go on until the next election, something has to be done to prevent this happening now what...5 times in a row?

Technocrats not Technician

@@mygetawayart either way we need a structural reform, but it won't happen with the current system. What I think could happen (and kinda hope for) is a slow descent towards a sort of semi-presidentialism, with more and more power given to the President of the Republic as the problem solver, with the Parliament and the parties with it losing importance, until we come to a point where the new state of things will be implemented directly into the Constitution

This was a problem at the time of the kingdom too, if I remember correctly they where struggling at creating a coalition government when one of the political forces decided to organise a march and the king thought “oh, yeah, this Mussolini guy definitely deserve the trust to run a minority government”…

@@mygetawayart You can't reform until shit really hits the fan because of the current system.

Well it just collapsed for the bilionth time

Since always*

Better than having the same party in power for decades.

See The Years of Lead and Operation Gladio, then get back to me on that one.

Even Roman Emperors had conspiracies and political instability to deal with. It never ends 😂

@@lucadesanctis563 Italy basically been in crisis since 400BC. 😂

In Argentina (where 60% of the population is of italian descent, and many have dual citizenship) there is a saying: "Italians are the argentines of Europe". We too on this side of the Atlantic live in a constant state of crisis. Come to think, it would not suprise me if there was a saying in Italy about Argentines being the Italians of America.

But why tough?

@@prypiatshadow6371 Because serious persons (like Draghi) who care about doing their job in the best way, instead of trying ao appease the electorate with silly promises, won't last in politics for long, they've got better things to do.

@@prypiatshadow6371 Because the Italian constitution doesn't allow for cabinet reshuffling. Each time a party decides to pull out its ministers from a government, they have to start a new government from scratch. So, even if the following one is basically the same except for a couple of ministers, it still counts as a new government.

@@prypiatshadow6371 because the constitution was written to avoid one party having a relative maggiority from having his way ignoring the others. That was a reaction to fascism, which didn't have an absolute magiority, and communist/socialist scare.

@@LucaPasini2 indeed. All this rhetoric about the "77 governments in 80 Years" makes no sense. Up to 1994 they were all Christian Democrats without a real alternative so it was even more stable than today. And many of these governments even today were just PMs just reshuffling their ministers or deciding to put their puppet (like Renzi did with Gentiloni) with the same policies

>"assassinated" >everyone celebrates

Also Italian Politician: “Let me tell you about The years of Lead”

It has been collapsing after tangentopoli

"Italy Politics Just Collapsed 9: Rise of the PM" now in Cinemas near you! "Italy Politics Just Collapsed X: Duel of the Parliaments" scheduled for 2023

@@DeadKraken "italy Politics Just Collaped XI: a New Hope" "Italy Politics Just Collapsed XII: The Parliaments strikes back"

Looks like FdI stole support from them.

hero Italy: just not water up and global gaia our water

Italian : maybe because of Salvini's unpopular gaffes :\ like the russian scandal and so on

Less typin and more talking with your hands please Mr. Spaghetti and Meatballs

@@Mynipplesmychoice we do not eat that shit. Spaghetti is a first dish and Meatballs second dish, coupled with vegetables or something. We are not Americans

@@lucadesanctis563 credo che fosse scherzando

@@whitezombie10 don’t care Americans jokes sucks …. Everything that is American sucks

I don’t think he’ll be that well respected considering he laid the foundation stone for the upcoming Eurozone crisis during his tenure at the ECB.

Dovresti esserci abituato

I’m a Canadian, now living in Italy as a dual citizen, and Draghi is my first Prime Minister in this country. I can tell you, he’s very well respected in Canada and the United States. In the past, the Prime Ministership of Italy was always seen as an unstable liability in the G7, because of how often it changed hands. Draghi has always been that steady hand in the financial world, so having him as the PM of Italy, brought optimism to a newfound hope for steady cooperation. That hope is now fractured, and it’s disappointing, to say the least.

@@cobbler9113 is this not the same exact man credited as the hero of the euro? I think you may well be clinically insane.

@@cobbler9113 He literally saved the Eurozone.

They are pretty good. In many videos about different countries and their political issues people compliment them for their insight.

It is not complex at all.. It is human stupidity and hate for the others at his best

Yeah, tbh, I'm more in shock that Italy still exists considering how unstable any government is. Probably just the fact that things are so unstable that even those wanting to dismantle the state fall victim to it.....

@@MajinOthinus I think that most citiziens just keep going on despite government at this point, because we are used to this kind of things happening. We are actually hard working and resorceful, so even when the government falls, we still try our best to go on with our lives, because it's not like when this happens life stops. We still have our jobs to do, our families to take care of etc. I mean, we compain a lot, i admit, but still it happens so much that we are sort of desentisized to it.

@@MajinOthinus It's easy to answer that: we italians are so used to this that we learned how to keep going easily by just using our talent and the strenght\quality of our work and trades. Plus pretty much all the biggest decisions ever taken in italian history after WW2, were approved by popular referendums and therefore are now untouchable. Referendums regulate a lot of stuff, like yes to public health, no privatization of water, yes to abortion, yes to divorce, yes to contraceptives, no to nuclear energy etc...(many people are now asking for referendums on euthanasia, gay rights etc.. for this exact reason), and governments can't touch them. Plus our country is old and structured to keep it together by the convenience of services and economic trades, so aside for a small number of ugly racist shits in the nord, no one cares to start internal civil wars on regional independence, culture or to keep some orange hoe in power. No one of our neighboring countries is willing to invade or start shit over territory(we also have a very good professional army btw). So it more or less works lol

"get the country up and running" how? with next generation EU funds that others before him provided?

@@Qnexus7 By eliminating the constant and insufferable idiosyncratic squabbling and backstabbing. You know, the politics. For a few short years the parliament didn't resemble a bloody kindergarden made up entirely of moronic narcissists.

@@mnk9073 oh so that's what it was. By eliminating politics, he solved politics. Solid logic. Look you had first conte's government, why did lega demolish it? Then you had the second which seemed to work decently enough, brought back even a nice sum from EU for recovery, why did the renzie demolish it exactly? It looks to me that there are too many shitty guys in italian politics and the society doesn't seem able to orient, demand and vote such as to get rid of them, ending up with a grey mass where theres no dpossible distinction between good and bad, thus endless stagnation. Nice country, nice society, nice politics.

@@Qnexus7 Mistrust of the political establishment, economic crisis and constant instability have turned a country which already had a lack of solid ideologies and political education into a system that is incapable of supporting a democracy of any kind. People trust politicians so little they literally jump onto a different populist bandwagon every few months with little to no regard for coherence, responsibility or even logic, let alone a vision for the future. Anybody who can shout their nonsense louder than everyone else is the new leader in the polls and trusted to fix everything that is wrong with Italy. It's easy to see why in this political environment truth, respect and reality are way less important than impossible promises and simple communication, so the quality of information and debates has dropped significantly. It is now not uncommon for me to feel like it has become irrelevant or even harmful to watch the news, as they've s gotten so bad and diluted they never manage to say anything meaningful. We are now left to decide whether to vote for proto-fascist right wing parties who hide behind populism to serve the interests of the richest companies and banks, or a (pretending to be) left wing party which lives off the fear for a right wing government and never does anything, besides of course serving the interests of the richest and the banks anyway. Whatever you choose to vote you can remain assured you're getting poorer, less educated and aware of the world and perhaps even left with less abortion rights if the right wins. Whenever politicians aren't outright evil or idiots, they are afraid or blocked from doing anything useful for the country because by that time the people would then support the next populist party on the opposition because we are absolute idiots and deserve nothing good.

running... lol

nor for the italians... and if somebody do they usually try to get them out of the way before they lose electors

Agreed , what they did was to kick the can further down the road , now there is no road only a dead end !

The tragic state of italian society where it cant even distinguish between good and bad thus ending with a political grey mass stuck in an endless stagnation where each attempt to change the overall status quo ends sabotaged by a thousand knifes. Sometimes i think that the messy political instability of late western roman empire where each emperor lasted a few months ending killed one way or another, never left the italian peninsula. Ever since then "italian" politics has been definided by constant ruthless struggle for power at all costs.

@@Qnexus7 even at the start the romans had political problems

@@whitezombie10 they partially solved them with things like mos maiorum

L'unico problema è che non abbiamo politici decenti

@@whitezombie10 esatto. serve una persona che abbia carisma e soprattutto che faccia gli interessi della gente invece di disprezzarla , perché parlare continuamente e negativamente di "populismo" significa disprezzare il popolo. E fare l'interesse delle banche e della finanza. E questo vale per buona parte dell'europa non solo per l'italia.

@@roadrelics8162 a volte vorrei che la monarchia avesse vinto il referendum...

@@whitezombie10 royals are still powerless in modern societies

@@roadrelics8162 è esattamente ciò che direbbe un fascista

It could be worse. How could it be worse you ask? Remember The Years of Lead?

Citizens are responsible for whoever they vote for. It's not just politicians

nobody voted him, and Italy is still the 3rd economy in the eurozone

@@lucadesanctis563 peccato che non c'è nessuno decente per cui votare

@@commenter4190 and who voted for the members of Parliament who are now in power?

@@diegoyuiop trust me, in italy, when you vote is like when you throw a crazy ball... I voted the last time 5 stelle (i know it was a dumb choice but at the time they promise new face, a fresh wind and a strong economic reform) but now we came at this point without we can choice nothing.... From the 2018, how can we knew it?

I don't think so. If he wanted to stay he would have exclude some of the issues from the plan. I bet he will confirm the resignation in front of the parliament and let the kids playing alone.

@@ChristianIce as I said, Mattarella won’t permit it. It does not look like it, but Mattarella is quite good at persuading people that don’t want to be where they are to stay, while avoiding a right wing reactionary government to be formed. Draghi will have some things to sort out, but he’ll eventually keep on going. I hope so, or I’m screwed

@@alessandrobenvenuti6551 That's not how it works. Mattarella cannot force a person to do something he doesn't want. EDIT: I share your hopes I just don't see him doing it.

@@ChristianIce yeah, I know he can’t force, he can convince him and others to collaborate. That’s what I intended. It would not be the first time

@@ChristianIce I think we'll see M5S fission again, and there's going to be a Draghi 2 comprised of everyone except M5S and FdI. There's a decently sized chunk of the 5S who were not at all on board with this plan.

draghi was only placed there for emergency it was obvious that he wouldn't have lasted for long

@@thejaerd4881 Was elected there, not placed.

"Why no good people in politics?" "Because all the good ones are resigning"

Yeah Italians always get rid of the best

He was not the best, the policies of his government were terrible. There were no policies addressing inequalities and this will affect Italian society and Italian working class people.

Yes, exactly. I agree on all that you just said. Especially on Mattarella's decision. I think that Draghi will insist on leaving, but Mattarella will most probably make him stay until it's due time. As for the 5 stars movement, they ended up imploding on themselves literally five minutes after they were created, so it does not surprise me that no one votes for them anymore. They talked a big game, but when it came time to deliver they failed miserably. Turncoats, all of them. Sorry for the rant.

Tifa won't lead the government, stop with this simping!

She has my vote

@@lucadesanctis563 ma se non sa niente di politica. Vuoi fare battutine sessuali tutto il giorno o salvare il paese?

@@whitezombie10 porcodio é una battuta. Ridi

More it’s the norm no party have a majority and coalitions are made as a general rule. And the UK understanding isn’t related

Damn, Bri'ish "people" don't know that we WANT to hang our parlimentarians. Smh my head.

I would argue against that. Hung parlaments means no coalition or party has a majority which means that it is uncertan which the next goverment will be. There is no hung parlament if a pre election elliance (of 2 or more parties) get a majority

I mean I look at Italy and Israel, see the utter disfunctional chaos they seem to be perpetually in, and I wonder if it _realy_ is the best method of representation.

@@ahmedsaleh9509 I would say a hung parliament always mean no part have majority

Ohh you are so optimist. you just need to know that the highest pooling party right now is the extreme right wing party of Giorgia Meloni “Brothers of Italy” which is just as incompetent as the 5Star but way more fascist! Dark times ahead of this country.

Don’t underestimate us

Why would they be against infrastructure? It’s bad we here in the US are

@@Wayouts123 they are against the TAV (high velocity speed train), explained quickly: almost 20 years of usless work, some home terrorist attack, millions of euros wasted and people still arguing if it may be worth. it's like to the berlin airport but unfinished

Actually Italy's response to covid under M5S and PD was applauded by the rest of Europe. And The universal basic income introduced by M5S has been helping a lot of poor families, while keeping them away from underpaid jobs. While surely having a populist vein, 5 Stars are not a simple populist party like the Italian rightwings are. About the railway you're mentioning, the region isn't economically struggling at all (surely not like the South), and the people living in that region have been opposing that project for decades. Your previous boss simply has his own opinion of the situation, opinions that are pretty aligned to the old political culture of Berlusconi's party, then inherited by Renzi.

Xept the lore age of the characters are far younger than Italian politician lol

Except less bloody and incredibly less fun.

Italy was ruled by the same party until 1994 and just like Japan PM changed very often, but with little difference in government

I mean Japan was used to be ruled by the same party (well technically) since 1870 till 1945 even if the parliament ended up liberal at one point, and the rulers were from the exact same cast as the previous ones xept they followed someone else

As an Italian who's an American politics enthusiast: well yes, but actually no(?) I mean, once you know the game it's only the names that change in Italy, otherwise things are pretty stagnant (politically speaking) What Conte has done now to Draghi is what Renzi did to Conte during the pandemic and going back it's what Salvini did during Conte's 1mandate (the year prior to the pandemic if i well remember) and so on, it goes on like this once every year and half. It's not really a shock to Italians, we're used to this, life goes on normally, most of people just stop to ask if they have to vote again or if they're (politicians) gonna resolve it among themselves. On the other hand, USA has shocking news dayly (i have to be honest: trump news were my guilty pleasure but even now with all the big issues going on in your country your politics are really interesting to listen to)

It had to last till March 2023, the period of the next general elections

Personalmente penso che possano arrivare anche al 10%, comunque un tracollo rispetto alle scorse elezioni.

@@frafrafrafrafra ormai non mi importa più chi viene eletto, sono tutti terribili

@@christiansollami5751 it's likely we'll have an election in the fall

hear, hear.

Let s go my brother, we in Romania have exactly the same problem governments AT MOST last 2 years. In 33 years since we ve been a republic we ve had 25 prime ministers. Ppl trust politicians so little the last parliamentary elections had a 33% voter turnout

Do you think you would be happier in the UK, no better here. We are lead by the least of us. Cheers

@@willtricks9432 UK started its downfall in the last 5 to 7 yrs maybe? Italy has been in political chaos since.. The fall of Roman Empire. Nah just jk, there were conspiracies and political instability even back then

@@lucadesanctis563 Uk started to slip in 1979 when the right wing starting to sell the country off to any money maker.

You don't want to be in a country that has the "stability" of a single party for decades like Mexico. Or a state that only has two parties to keep stability like the US. I'm trying my luck in Canada right now so we'll see...

Non si era mica spezzata la coalizione di destra?

Ogni volta che c'è da votare si rimettono insieme, poi con il taglio dei parlamentari di due anni fa il premio di maggioranza è troppo sostanzioso per lasciarlo scappare

@@andreabegnoni3944 i nostri politici sono ancora più bambini di quanto pensassi... quando serve vincere le elezioni si uniscono ma poi riprendeno a litigare come dei bambini finché il governo non cade

@@andreabegnoni3944 last time I checked Matteo Salvini and Giorgia Meloni *Hated* each other, but a lot can happen, and it usually does.

@@sawtooth808 they'll join forces in a coalition following the elections cause they know they would be irrelevant by standing alone.

Dude Italian governments collapse like, a lot. I have some Italian friends and it's actually pretty much a rarity if a government lasts for the expected amount of time (that's because you don't vote the "winner", but you vote who sits on the benches, which means that different parties can form different coalitions, leading to governments "falling", just to be recreated with just some minors changes in ministers)

@@georgewright4285 fun fact: it NEVER lasted until the end of the legislation...

@@giorgioguercio3331 well I am not Italian... That's a fucking record though, Italy has been democratic since 1945? How have you managed?

@@georgewright4285 Our country functions in a quantum superposition of all parties being simultaneously in power and in the opposition. We've had 70 governments since 1946. Yes, that makes it an average of more than one a year. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@@georgewright4285 that's one of the reasons why the Italian economy is struggling in recent years... At this point, we are used

The center-right runs together at elections but falls apart suddenly after that due to ideological incompatibilities. It happed in 2018 and will happen the next election too. In 2018 the first explorative mandate to form a government was given to them but they weren't able to agree with each other and instead Lega ended up forming the first Conte government. That's because on an ideological base m5s and Lega are much more aligned than the other members of the center-right.

@@tommasongr that's wrong, they didn't hold any majority in parliament on their own. The explorative mandate to M.E. Casellati was merely to gain time. It had no mathematical chance of succeeding without M5S which was vetoed by Meloni and Berlusconi. Salvini and Meloni were smart to manouver one inside and one outside of the government so that their total consensus actually blew through the roof.

@@StarryNightGazing if they really wanted they would have formed a government bringing someone else on board. Anyway we won't have to wait much to see who is right I guess...

@@tommasongr someone else beside M5S? So PD or LEU?

They can, but they will not be able to have a net majority. I guess, a PD-PDL-M5S-smallcentristparties is still on the table, and would still have the most chances of surviving.

Every month*

And calling 5-star Putin puppets because they don't tow the establishment line of being hostile to Russia. Try reporting the real news and not parroting the narrative.

Right? Then he says "And the rest ..." You mean the majority?

The effectively of electoral thresholds is probably the biggest myth in history.

Sounds interesting, but can you maybe tell me why the SSW is exempt from this rule? It sounds very strange

These issues have very little to do with a lack of a hurdle. If I had to put it down to any one thing it's that the italian government has very little power. Like absurdly little. I personally don't think a government should have all that much power but it does need to get stuff done. In Italy that is rather difficult. Not only that but the government can be removed with ease. That is the main issue here.

Italy has a 3% hurdle but SVP is excluded

God i wish any kind of strong government took power and remained

You really need to take drugs and pretend you aren't Italian? I don't find these falls of governments so stressful

@@whitezombie10 I am Italian, I am proud to be Italian. I just don't pretend to live in Italy, for 9 out of 10 the government does not act in accord with my preferences. And yes. Since the present crisis jeopardizes 22 billions from the PNRR, 10 from the last decree, and 17 from the market crush that happened yesterday, I kinda find it somewhat stressful

No problem has ever been properly solved without the people getting involved. If the bury their heads the country will be buried...

@@FernandoMendoza-dw8nz aside from voting in elections and referenda, there's very little we can do. I have tried to sway people for better politics for the past 10 years. So far, it got me nowhere.

we don't have a center right in italy, as well as we miss a center left. We only have idiot populist unable even to poop in toilet, that's why they just give approval to technocrat while they do the only thing they can do, propaganda, talk show, propaganda, a bit more propaganda and propaganda

yeah the issue is that probably cdx would come up short with like 47% of the seats so the problem would be to find someone willing to form a coalition and that does not thret to pull support at every issue

Yeah, they could get the numbers and give Italy what it needs: blaming the EU, blaming the immigrants, blaming gays and trangenders for whatever is not working. Che culo :D

The right doesn't want to form a coalition. They want to go to the polls. If they right could've formed a coalition they would have done it 4 years ago.

@@davidegiolitti7392 I think you can be slightly short of a majority in an election (even in a representative system) and still get a majority in parliament, because parties that get less than 3% of the vote don't get any seats which in turn slightly boosts the numbers of the remaining parties

Can confirm 👌 You are not first.

yes, "Voto di Fiducia" in Italian

Yes it's that, it's widely used by most Italian Governments. And it's the reason for most of the crisis in our history. Draghi used it 45 times, more than 3 times every month. Is it also used that often in Canada as well?

@@maurobianchin8862 It varies. When one party has a majority, then it's sometimes not as necessary. But when the governing party (we almost never do coalitions in Canada, even when there's a "minority government"/"hung parliament*) doesn't have a majority, or if they're facing some kind of a caucus revolt, then they may use it more frequently. The one consistent thing is that budgets, and other money bills, are essentially *always* votes of confidence in the government in Canada. * Instead of coalition governments, when no party has a majority the governing party (which is usually, but not always, the party with the most seats) will govern by looking to different opposition parties to help them pass different pieces of legislation. Occasionally a "Confidence and Supply" agreement will be struck between the governing party and a single opposition party, where that party agrees to support the government on any confidence vote, but is free to vote against the government on any other issue without the government falling.

Just don't.

4...

Are you Italian?

It's a big deal because the time the crisis arrived, the global current events and because the crisis has been provoked by a party pretty close to Russia's positions. If I may add the other Russia's close party Lega, even if is not the direct crisis maker, is particularly silent right now...

*cinque anni

@@M.M.83-U hai ragione pure te

I’d say that chaos IS exactly how it works…

And this year is just right the 100th anniversary of Mussolini's march with his black shirts