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I’m still not sure if I have Fi or Ti, but I know my “wake up call” was being told by my therapist that I was turning into my dad because I was over-isolating and didn’t spend enough time caring/helping out with others. It was terrifying because I knew how much I resented my dad for doing this, and how eventually our family stopped bothering with him altogether. I don’t want to be resented, I don’t want to be alone. It sucks to be caught in this loop, thinking you’re doing great until you find out about all the problems everyone has with you that have been dog-piling up, and having to take responsibility instead of playing the blame game.
Would it matter if you have Fi or Ti , if both of them are so damn similar that you resonate with both at the same time? please love both.. coming from an Isfp, Istps are hands down , almost a duplicate copy in a way, yet unfortunately for me as an isfp, wish i had the impartial skills to NOT GIVE A FUCK AND RIDE OFF INTO THE SUNSET WITHOUT ZERO FUCKS FOREVER>. istps have NO emotional attachment. If you have any emotional attachment to others and you cant decide whether your FI OR TI think about this. Do you care about others? Y or N Do you literally, Truly, Madly, Deeply (sometimes) care about others and their opinions? Y or N. Would you cry and make a scene and ball your eyes out to express how MUCH you care about others and try to convince them WHY you care so much? Y or N If you answered YES TO the last two. Then your Fi If you said Fuck this, at any point in Reading that. Then you're TI there ya go. and i love you either way because i cant help but love isfps and istps the most since im an isfp and i frigging am jamming on my ham right now
@@hp6338Haha, I guess your little quiz *may* be somewhat right despite the extremities. I was actually typed as an ISTP, Ti-Ni according to this system by someone who had some experience with objective personality. This was before I was into it myself, so receiving the typing made me curious as to what it meant and how “credible” it was. I am emotional, albeit selective in allowing those feelings to affect my situation. It doesn’t mean I’m entirely unfeeling, there’s just a cost to letting that aspect be involved. I tend to overlook actually going out of my way to prove I’m extremely caring about what other people think/feel about me. I’ve still broken down before from screwing it up but usually it’s because what people want doesn’t make sense to me and I don’t mean to be a bad friend I just interpret things as they come. I’ve decided to respect a friend’s wishes to leave them be and let them reach out since they’re otherwise busy, but my sister always visits them unannounced with gifts and shit and suddenly that’s exactly the thing they needed. Wtf?? Anything that requires deep contemplating about what other people would like just drives me insane… And if they get upset, then well, shoulda just said so the first time since I suck at the flowery stuff.
I’d bet Ti. Your ability to dispassionately face the unpleasant reality and that you’ve been unconscious about that aspect of it steikes me as Ti - I can relate. And yes, we (ISTPs) have feelings and attachments; we just don’t prioritize the emotional part. At my broth-in-law’s funeral I let the tears flow and was not ashamed. My judgement allowed it.
My biggest fear is self betrayal. It's not living my life according to my values. It's also why some of my personal heroes are all people who where willing to die for what they believe. ENTJ here, Fi at the bottom.
Woah! This comment caught me off guard; I wasn’t expecting the end! Do you think this same reality is true for a lot of ExTJs? And do you think masculine/feminine Fi would change this?
@@sophiaredwood5825 Great question. I'm not sure if it applies to other ExTJs. And I'm not familiar with the difference between masculine and feminine Fi. What I do know is that Te (making things work with the tribe) is my savior. So I'm not afraid of that. I do it naturally. I can function anywhere. Work, school, or socially. And it happens seamlessly. What I struggle with is when my personal values and desires conflict with making things function for the tribe.
don't listen to her imaginations for isfps are endless and we love the fantasy of relationships in our imaginations. we like getting stuff done too. but the imagination is way more fun and playful and can really get our intimacy triggered by mere imagining what could be.....
As a pretty strong IxxP, actually I have gone pretty far in trying to work with the tribe and create some kind of synergy and mutual beneficial experience. But repeated lack of loyalty and disrespect for my mission, has lost my patience. There simply came a time, where I realized enough was enough, and that people can't really hook on to the thing I am trying to provide. I am done selling myself to the tribe constantly.
I’m not sure a tribe will ever accept us as members. That’s fine. I think it’s because we don’t really accept them. I find when I form the tribe things are very different.
ENFP, and I felt this. I get the idea of demon De meaning I have to work on it, but at the same time, I don’t hate where I am. I can’t help but think that there are less benefits to working with a tribe than there are to working with yourself, since the tribe has the potential to be ruthlessly cruel and unsupportive. I would guess the best time to improve that De is only when you absolutely HAVE to work with the tribe to move forward. Though that may just be the double-activated savior Di bias talking. ~ENFP
I find this so interesting. I’m writing a story with main characters who are ENTJ and INFP. Both of them are so similar, yet so different. They have fears of being cast out by the tribe, but they face/avoid them in completely different ways. The ENTJ actually does have intense paranoia concerning the idea of trust, and she’s so mentally unstable that she believes everyone else is out to get her because of her position- but it isn’t her personal hell. To her, it’s just _life._ It’s simply one other thing she has to grapple with while slaving away for the tribe (as their leader), the same tribe she’s also convinced herself will be her downfall in the future. And on the surface, she shows absolutely none of the latter. The INFP, a part of the same tribe, is an outcast. He seems to own it and disown it at the same time- he’ll separate himself from everyone and purposely annoy everyone around him because it’s how he deals. He’s cynical and sarcastic on the surface, but deep down he just wants tribe recognition and camaraderie, which no one ever gives him easily due to the fact that he always follows his own agenda. It’s to the point that he’s always on the defensive, poking at the places where others fall short and pushing them away for fear of being rejected. He’s a really thoughtful and sad guy, but you’d never know. Both the ENTJ and the INFP feel staggering attacks fo their self worth because of the way the tribe views them; both are convinced, whether subconsciously or consciously, that nothing they do is enough to truly earn tribe pleasure. So the ENTJ sacrifices herself to her group every single day and feels all the worse for it, while the INFP refuses to budge on all matters despite silently craving inclusion.
Seems pretty accurate to me. I suspect I'm an ENTJ, and when the guys in the video were talking about their personal hell where "there's no trust" and "people leave you/ don't want to work with you" I literally thought, "isn't that just life, though"? I mean, solid relationships are very important to me, and I am afraid of losing the ones I have now, but I consider them more as a monumental stroke of good fortune than as a necessity. I've survived without support from the tribe before, and I can do it again. Anyway, I also find OP and Myers-Briggs a good resource for writing characters.
I appreciate you two; and acknowledging our weaknesses as IxxP's. It helps us a lot to make the right changes in ourselves.... WE NEED THE TRIBE!! And without them, we spin in turmoil and fear and lack of confidence..... Thank you for helping us.
I think a lot of us would rather be alone. "The Tribe" will abandon you for not being valuable or useful to them, at a certain point, no matter what you actually do or say. That's just how "the tribe" is.
This assumes that IxxP has the tribe's attention in the first place. Also, parent Ne may not find an audience if SeFi tribe does not want to consider new options.
Helping the Tribe has to be genuine otherwise they will pick up on the vibe of "I don't feel like doing this." So IXXPs have to find a way to make their Tribe function genuine, which is a battle within itself. Basically the Di has to get on board with the De using whatever mental gymnastics.
As an infp, I find that doing things for God is a good way to avoid building resentment when doing things you don't feel like doing. It also avoids building expectations of other peoples responses to your actions, and so avoids disappointment if they are not grateful.
@@nada3963 @Fakiha. Hell yes, glad us females mainly focused on Shans badass eyeshadow skills. She's a Queen. And gets better every DAY> damnit. i also love watching her eye make up progress and get better. Shan you deserve like a team of Make-up artists at this point; so you don't have to do it yourself and waste your time, and can spend your time thinking of correlations, connections, and eye popping insights to tell us how to navigate this magnificent and god forsaken world in a better way. DAVE you should do Shans make up one day. Challenge to Dave to do Shans Make up 1 day. Maybe possibly on April Fools day since it would be the funniest.
Idk, man, a world without people seems better than a world where people force you to do stupid shit that makes no sense. No tribe > stupid tribe. -- INTP
I am (allegedly) an INTP and my biggest fear is having people constantly wanting my time or relying on me to be their emotional crutch. Literally "Dont ask me for help bro...and if you do and I do help you, you'd better not ask the same thing again"
I'm not sure I get this. I understand Di to like being alone and doing things alone; don't plunk outside onto my thinking or feelings. Yeah, the demon Fe/Te needs to have outside feedback, but screw it, Fe/Te for IxxP is not even there. Is not Ti/Fi savior basically saying "I want to do this myself so leave me alone". I would think the demon Fe/Te would be afraid of tribe hates me or tribe doesn't care what I think, and this is quite distinct from fear of alone. Alone is good, rejection and animosity are bad (the person's value for themselves, thoughts or sentiments, are rejected and attacked, and THAT is disturbing). So, I am confused again, just when I though I was getting it.
I mean, you might prefer to be alone. However, we are a social species and need people in our lives. Maybe not all the time, but you definitely need to have friends, family and a support system. Life’s tough and no one can do it all, so that’s why we need others So not having other people, and being truly alone, can be considered a hell to live in
An IxxP’s ultimate fear is not necessary being alone in and of itself but is instead rejection and abandonment (I.e. being alone NOT by choice). A lot of IxxPs will pre-emptively leave others or put up so many defensive mechanisms to purposefully avoid any situation where someone else could get close enough to hurt them (which of course leads to them slowly suffocating themselves in loneliness over time).
I’m INFJ. My biggest fear for a long time was my nieces getting kidnapped and sex trafficked. Still a fear, but now my biggest fear is that something bad will happen to me (like murdered) in front of my boyfriend that he won’t be able to stop and he will blame himself for the rest of his life. Both of these fears are related to the goodness and innocence of the involved parties and how I know they wouldn’t cope well.
This. Idk my type, but my biggest fear is the apocalypse and the collapse of society. Even if my loved ones and I survived we will be confined to a hellish life. The women in my life may have to live as sex slaves since it'll be a word where you have to be physically competent and how are women supposed to outcompete men? I can't even prepare a doomsday bunker since I'm a broke college student who lives in a country with no guns. Survival skills don't do shit if someone can just take what I have brutally. My 5 years of martial art experience wouldn't do shit if there's more than one person. If the apocalypse did happen, I would prefer to just end myself but I'd want to keep my loved ones safe.
@Christina T Thanks! These all sound like good tips and though if it's a nuclear apocalypse, I think I'll take the easier way out. No one surviving that shit and those that do end up surviving will have to live an existence that is pitiful. Joining a hunter/farming community hadn't occurred to me. It sounds like a great way to both make skills and connections so I'll give that a go.
A small suggestion, but it would be super cool if you guys gave realistic examples of what you explain in personality terms, such as making the self happy but not doing "the thing" - would that be "I love you guys and have a connection with you but I don't make an effort to see you or be involved in your activities"? so like a real-life example would be AMAZING. I want to understand what you mean by "keeping the self happy", "not doing the thing", "not useful to the tribe/helping us survive". Also, Tom... I feel ya. I always describe my biggest fear as being "alone in a crowd" etc. I'd prefer to be alone alone, than to be alone amongst people
IXFP= introvertedly working on self so that self survives (watching objective personality), TI= introvertedly working for self so that self survives (fixing engine of own car or puzzling over thoughts), TE= extrovertedly working for the tribe to make tribe happy that things are done (fixing the tribe’s car), FE= extrovertedly encouraging a group of people (tribe) to cheer them up. “Doing The Thing”= Te= extrovertedly working for the tribe. “Not doing The Thing”- not extrovertedly working for others, instead introvertedly focusing on your own needs and own life issues.
One of the most concise, accurate, & hands on descriptions (& strongest pitch for/demonstrable proof of your system) I've seen so far. Props. PS Ron & Tom NAILED that Seagulls part. Or did the seagulls nail the Ron & Tom part? Hmmm...
This is interesting, I have never thought of this as my fear before. Maybe it is because nobody has ever left me (I on the other hand have and I feel really shitty about it sometimes). I don't think all IxxPs have that they don't care about anyone's happiness except their own. Maybe masculine Di more (idk)? I have fem Fi and I always try to help my friends when they are in need (though I always prefer to help with intellectual abstract things like doing their assignment, homework, calculating smth or doing research on the internet rather than practical things like washing the dishes). It is extremely hard for me to say No (maybe it is more of a 9w1 thing). But yes, I am aware that I am doing all this for some subconscious reason and it could probably be - if I want to have friends that I can ask for help if necessary in the future I have to be a really good friend now. (and fear of conflict and separation, which is again type 9 thing) - FF Fi/Ne CS/B(P) or simply an INFP 9w1
Yes as an infp, I prefer to help the tribe by doing research and finding the solutions online, but I will help them do practical things, but only if they don’t ask me to do them alone, since I need the synergy of relationships to feel motivated to work. I guess that’s what they mean by wanting people to “work with me”.
This was FANTASTIC. Seems like most of the IP things are Fi things for OP...sorting them out and so clearly showing the difference is HUGE. I do fear the lack of connection hard.
Wow, I've said before I fear not belonging and connecting. Over this past weekend I've also discovered that I rather do the things I want and the person that really matters notices the disconnect in emotions 😮🤯 - a fairly certain ISTP & ENFP (😮) ! Feeling the benefit of watching this already.
This is probably more visible when you get older, no? When a Di is young it's easier to say you don't want the De, and for individuation that is probably useful. But you will fear what you avoid in the long run, mainly because you never train to deal with it. Eventually while self-actualizing one finds out that the path to what you need (not what you want) always leads towards facing what you fear.
I am an ISTP. mine is where nothing works. Hell is when I cannot get any traction or success, I am frustrated. And even worse: surrounded by idiots. Who never shut up.
Both fears happened to me at work. We were short-staffed and all my trsuty colleagues were sick, and as an inefficient probie, my job security was only saved BECAUSE they were away and I was, at least, available and working. Having both fears at once scare me enough. If they return...
As an INTP. I don't think I fear people leaving me. It's happened to me b4. It was painful but I'm good. Maybe I don't fear it cause I've been through it.
If you are an IP, I think that’s how you rationalize the fear. If someone asked me if that was my biggest fear I may say no bc it’s so hard to admit it. I’ve pushed people away and it’s been painful and I’ve survived as well, but it’s for sure a personal hell imagining it happening again
For me, the Hell is remembering the people I pushed away, neglected, or have pushed me away. To think how much different my life could be if they weren't gone. It's like they came into my life at the wrong time.
@@hannahwinishut6961 maybe but, I've lost groups of friends before and met new ones so for me... I'm never really alone when I can always meet new people.
@@CaveyMoth that's a good point. I've had some people in my life that I should have got rid of a long time ago. I think that's also growth and seems to me like it you actively push some people out of your life you probably aren't as afraid of losing people.
Intp Hell is other people. The tribe doesn’t like truth tellers, visionaries, leaders. So what works is to start your own tribe and then they love truth tellers, visionaries, leaders.
Truth tellers and visionaries/prophets yeah and they probably will get stoned in the streets... leaders on the other hand can play the FE~TE game and make people get the truth out little by little until its proven right to the mases... if you´re a truth teller and won´t push your tribe function at least find yourself a leader that believes in your truth, sometimes you just have to win over just the right person to get going... I´m probably an ESTJ
dude thats why we Break down the Rules!!!! We innovate and see authentic expression as a way to bring our chaos to their Order. Its quite beautiful when you really zoom out. Although they do suck, i still think the tribe sucks sometimes but it's easier. for me to shrug it off. Haha. dude lets start are own tribe. But I guarantee we would fail tremendously if it was just all IxxPs. Why do you think the United States has managed to not become Corrupt>>??(not as corrupt; in comparison; Venezuela or other similar places.....) Because of our Institutions. And the People that made the "System" to not allow bribery, or corruption. I know for sure, IxxP's wouldnt be able to do that...... we wouldn't care, and some IxxP in our tribe wuold eventually have an ExxJ or a IxxJ baby who would Hate our ideals, motivations, way of living, and constant disregard to Fe or Systems) and then we'd be fucked. But Keeping our blinders on would be the best route forward. Maybe peeking here and there. INTP's would probably be the Closest to creating a good society. I think that actually might work in hindsight. INTP's have that analytical impartial ability to keep us in Order..... I'm an ISFP so i'd be like all the SP's and i'd be frolicking and. creating way too much art and having fun and not wanting any systems in place, and then My mind would be destroyed because of all the chaos and lack of Te control.
Before being typed, I was pretty sure I was seeing ExxJ/lead Te, but these IxxP fears of being alone kept making me think that maybe I still wasn't seeing myself clearly, because they sounded like my personal hell too. UNTIL I processed the various manifestations of my debilitating fear of my own chemicals 😂 glad I watched this video; I think I'm gonna go on a "how to deal with demon Fi" binge now.
It's interesting. I'm an infp, 9w1. 9s are known to struggle with the anxiety-preoccupied attachment style. Codependency, abandonment, people-pleasing, and love addiction. We merge for fear of conflict. I admit in my twenties I did do some self-posturing, self-righteous (listening to music that would reinforce the self-righteousness) solitude, separation from the tribe, but another fear from the anxiety attachment style is fear of healthy intimacy. I'm 50 now and am planning on a more alternative job career change next year, being my own boss, where I'm helping the tribe, but in a more focused, individual, intimate way. This is Ne at its best, staying with the individual, using empathy and working through the problem with encouragement and care. It's seeing the tribe's perspective, the Fe, which is difficult for IPs. The Te will kick in when we are very clear on how we can connect with the tribe. I also learned that it isn't about extraverting our ideals and values through our extraverted intuition like I thought. I think Dave and Shan are correct that it's more about the Fi-Te axis because our ideals are not realistic. They're too subjective. They're a poor excuse. Also, unconditional values are already in our human DNA. We are advocates, catalysts, or reminders of these values others need to hear again. Contributing to the group as a teacher in a classroom for more than 20 years has been a learning experience, but in abstraction not emotional, more humanistic, connection. It's ironic how we're a very people-oriented personality type, yet we avoid the tribe. Then maybe the Ne is able to validate others by simply being ourselves presently. Maybe it's connecting the dots for others, which is Ne auxiliary or what I call secondary function. It's about the immediate experience with Ne. The possibilities in the moment of the connection, which was not usually modeled by our caretakers, which they did not receive from their caretakers, etc. As Dave mentioned in another video, we INFPs or IPs in general struggle with our Fi flowing into the tribe and really seeing their perspective and how we can help them with information that is creative, wisdom-based, information. Kiersey in Please Understand Me II mentioned that INFPs along with ENFPs are diplomatic advocates (information-based), not diplomatic directives like the ENFJ (teacher), INFJ (counselor). For INFPs (healer) and ENFPs (champions) it's about sharing information, BUT more about the creative info. It's more about how we can encourage or champion others maybe by story, aphorisms, parables, metaphors, analogies or examples than telling others directly what to do in terms of life or behavior, which I don't like when others do that with me.
Hmm I mean, this is true sometimes but I also think there's a bit of a misunderstanding here. My fear isn't being alone it's that the only way to be included in the tribe is to do things that go against my values. As an INFP I've been ostracized by groups of kids that were bullying other kids and I wasn't willing to do that, for example. It's not about making me happy, it's about not violating my values. That said, I have dropped big responsibilities to the tribe before so that part is true.
Idk man, it's your vids but these random clips and music and whatever at the end are getting out of hand. I can just choose not to watch it of course but I really don't think it does good for the quality of your videos. If you must do it, at least make it some relevant footage that highlights the things you're talking about, but not 2 minutes of whatever this thing was at the end of a 7 minute video.
I think I'm demon Fe. COVID was great: study / knuckle down / it's OK if you don't see anyone and aren't good at making social plans... no one can anyway. Post-COVID, I'm making a concerted effort to do things I'd like to do (rather than chasing company just to escape isolation) and trying to create plans I can share with others. It's amazing, I've never done this before and I've become a little centre of social activity recently! And if no-one comes, I'm not seeing this as a huge rejection which I always did (which caused the isolation as I couldn't be active in keeping in touch with people)... I'm doing it anyway cos I want to. Build it and they will come.
I'd love to help people, cause it makes me feel useful, however at the same time when i help people, it kind of creates an expectation for me to be helping them again and again and that would be fine too of they don't frequently ask of me to do it cause then I'll just burn out.
I Love when people whole Heartedly Articulate-every nuanced definition of that term-their Truest Beauty. I hate/am disgusted/deeply saddened by intentionaly, maliciously & hypocritically stubborn exploitation & betrayal. I'm "ok" with finding balance between those 2. I just don't like how the world/most people seem(s) to demand the former, in service to the latter... And find it tough to have my own balance (between the ends of the aforememtioned spectrum). I find that God & observing & interacting with Mother Nature (& Her non human Creatures) fill that void just fine... Until the desire to share the experience with someone sinks in. Rinse & Repeat.
How would you narrow down your biggest fear? I have a huuuge fear of not being adored, of people not loving me and of following the same horrible pattern my whole life! What the hell (badum tshh) are my saviour functions then?!
@ᗩᒪIYᗩᕼ oh I’m aware of that, we talk and talk and beat relationship topics to death like no other, or rather like how you would expect an INTJ whose primary focus is relationships, would be (and an INTP that doesn’t mind talking about the what if’s until hell freezes over)
Have you guys done a video on the four (or eight) archetypal personal hells? I'd watch that. I think youall are uniquely qualified to riff on said topic. ... Incidentally, I thought of my own personal hell, and what I came up with was "to be surrounded by @ssholes". With an element of physical disfunction and discomfort, yes, but mostly the @ssholes. I thought I was lead Fi. Thanks for what you do.
Its quite silly how they portrait Di as that completly selfish. Di means another strategy to work in society. The most caring in ppl are Fe and Fi dominant, helping others all day long in the most unselfish way, proving emocional and physical support ina genuine way. The difference is that Fi will be more strict. Honestly this chanel shows some silly patterns sometimes.
i mean im ni ti so not ixxp but pretty close. i think that if youre used to the tribe leaving its scarier when they choose to stay. i cant stand it when someone tries to force their way into my life. because then ill start caring about them and then they might leave never mind i see it now
Fear of abandonment/ostracized by everyone- partner, tribe, family, friends, and Boss/coworkers- and/or not taken seriously by them. When reading about enneagram 9, this is listed as the core fear of Ennea 9. Tom Hanks- Istp? Song sounded like Smurfs.....My understanding is Tom is ISTP, the craftsman, always working on and fixing "things" out in the shop- mechanically inclined or computers/tech inclined and has inferior FE which means he feels incapable of fitting in with the Tribe and dealing with the Tribe's values because that is what FE is about and therefore afraid he will be left; and Ron is possibly INFP- with inferior TE and therefore he feels incapable of working on "things"- getting "things" done- fixing things- (for example, cant build things with wood) cant be efficient, and so is afraid that people will stop helping him out and eventually leave him because he doesnt 'do things' for the tribe in that way- he cant fix their run-down car.
I have heard people argue that the way OP discusses decider functions is skewed and the associations they have with self/tribe aren’t always accurate. I don’t know how I feel about that, but here’s how I see it. A Savior Di wouldn’t spend life perpetually terrified of being alone, of course- rather the opposite. The Di lives to build upon its own moral/logic system and casts out the tribe in the process. But I think that all human beings intrinsically crave that ability to have other people to stand beside them and accept them- the Savior Di users just don’t like the “other people” aspect of that statement. So that leaves the Di in a place where it sometimes needs to include the tribe in its own visions, but it never prefers that route. And at the same time, the Di may start have those occasional low moments when it feels lonely and excluded because of this. Think of it like being the castaway kid at school- you most certainly don’t want to hang out with all the popular, annoying people, but every once and awhile it stings badly to think that not one of them wants to hang out with you, either. While I am a Savior Di, I am not a Di leader, so I don’t think I can speak much for the Di people and I apologize for whatever I may have said that ends up being wrong. But if I did have to compare it to my lead and last function- Ne and Si- I would say the juxtaposition makes sense. As an ENFP, I do have a fear of Si commitment, but at the same time, I also have a fear of never fulfilling that Si commitment. The latter is just something I’m FAR less in tune with… though when I do feel it, it’s a horrible, suffocating feeling. I typically go about my days avoiding all of my commitments and only taking responsibilities for the cool new ideas I think of on the fly. But when it dawns on me one day that my biggest accomplishments live only in my mind because I never commit to making any of my ideas into a reality, it makes me think. And I go, “Huh, I have all of these ideas that I want to build for myself. But what have I done with my life? I feel like I’ve spent years building, but there’s absolutely _no_ substance to anything I’ve done because I have no discipline.” And then I feel insufficient, weak, petrified even, because I have that full understanding that I can’t achieve my first function without using my last, and that I’m just living a lie. I crave Si achievement and mastery, and my response to that is to go right back to my Ne life of endless options and no commitment- in hopes that it’ll achieve my Si goal. And perhaps that’s the same way a Di user might suddenly feel alone and crave De tribe appreciation, and then only “resolve” that by continually building up their Di instead of engaging with the De that needs to be engaged with? I don’t mean to poorly connect the dots or wrongly tie every function back to my immature Ne/Si axis- in fact, that’s typically the only way I can understand things, as my Ne/Si + Fi is constantly trying to relate new information to my own experiences. There could be major holes in my perception of this. But in my eyes, I don’t think the Di people are perpetually afraid of being alone. I think it would make more sense to say that they are so fixated on building introverted logic/values that in the moments their lack of extroverted involvement with the tribe hits them, it can feel debilitating.
I'm sort of ass but I get bored of people and the same interactions and see people less and less as I get to know them. Not the other way around. But I and most people Im close with understand we move on and can pickup our friendship without issue. You don't need to see people often to stay friends. Thats ridiculous. I've had so many friends over the years there's no way to stay close to them all. That's life. I have trouble finding long term friends where we are both getting something from each other with lots to time spent together. But most usually get more and more one sided as it goes. One way or the other. A good relationship is knowing what you give each other and not overdoing it. But Im also not someone that needs to regularly process with the tribe. Fi savior
Spoil the people you love. treat them how you like to be treated. Respect them and their emotions. Everything has to be presentable before it is acceptable. You need to give your tribe members a reason to stay with you. I’m an isfp and ive learned the hard way I’m 20 years old right now. Also study the bill of rights to give you more insight in what is fair and not.
I'm calling extroverted bias on you two. This IxxP loves being alone and has from earliest memory. Being alone is HEAVEN not HELL. Sometimes it sounds like you don't know wtf you're talking about.
hi, i have a question... i would say that my biggest fear is becoming sick or physically incapacitated to the point where i can no longer move or use my body without restriction. does that point to... demon sensing? i thought i was an ixxp up until now lmao.
I mean, that can mean a lot of things. I would assume there are Savior sensors who fear that because they’re so in tune with their physical body. I would also assume there are Demon sensors who fear the same because they don’t want to be pulled into the sensory in such a terrifying way. An ExxP could fear that because it would take control over them and an IxxJ could fear that because it would disable their ability to control. It’s a scary concept in general, though different types can be more terrified by different aspects of it. I’d say there’s no way to know for sure just based off of that, but it may be helpful to keep in mind. ~ENFP
@@sophiaredwood5825 hmm interesting, thank you for the response! i resonate with being very in tune with my body, and fearing losing control of my own physical body, which is the only thing i feel have any real control over in life. everything else (outside myself) feels pretty random and chaotic, and i definitely don't have any desire to control others. trying to figure out what this all means. thank you again!
@@lindsaycamerik2017 Oooo! I feel like there are probably trends in certain types that relate to what you’re experiencing, but the people working at OPS would be far more likely to understand them than me; I haven’t the experience with enough people to pinpoint something like that. Either way, it definitely sounds like it would relate to your observers! Good luck with figuring everything out, and if you remember this comment after you have a better idea, feel free to come back and give an update if you’d like :)) wishing you the best on your journey!
@@ohgodimdead i based it on the fact that my mind is usually focused on my own personal interests (savior Di) and i actively avoid feedback from others (demon De)… yet i recognize that i need the feedback to validate that what i’m doing is actually any good. i guess my main goal in life is to master something and then use my knowledge & skills to give back to others. sounds kinda istp-ish ? idk man
Why dont you just DO something about it... and if your so mature... why dont you just spread your DOO DOO on everybody else and stop calling us babies. we can Di and do what we want.. plus i dont even know what Di is when they say Di. i. hear Fi. and all im ever gonna do is Fi so "End of Scene" "Violin Quintet playing"
That depends. It sounds a lot like it could be Fi to me, since ExFPs often can feel a moral obligation to be good/authentic towards other people, and they have a very personal decrease in worth if they feel that they’re a failure or a fraud in that area. At the same time, other types can mirror a similar experience. A ExTJ could make it their top priority to make things work for other people and be constantly seeking reassurance as to whether or not that is being done. An ExFJ could be the same way, but with providing for the tribe’s personal and emotional needs. A Ti user can sometimes be insecure about their lower Fe because they feel they don’t use it to help out enough and an Fi user can sometimes be insecure about their lower Te for the same reasons. I think it really depends on whether or not this person is taking responsibility for this fear 24/7 (Savior) or if it’s something they run from most of the time and feel lingering insecurity about in waves (or _tidal_ waves, because it’s a Demon). It also depends whether or not this person feels this to be a deep and personal obligation that they’re following through with externally, but in order to be true to themselves (Di) or a responsibility for them that naturally manifests outwardly (De). And then, does this “providing” fear have to do with morals, values, the general emotional vibe of people, etc. (Feeling) or is it more concerned with logic and making things work for others (Thinking). I feel like once you’re able to get ahold of what specific functions are at play here, it’s easier to see what type your friend may be. But yes, an EP can very well be afraid due to an inability to be good enough for others. As one of them, it’s certainly relatable to me. ~ENFP
@@sophiaredwood5825 i typed them as entp - hopefully im right. i think it's that polr fi - they don't know where they fit in or their values. They say that they like to manipulate people and that it's easy for them. They are charismatic and argumentative to "test" people: i see that as only the start of their manipulation. Weirdly, theyree very nice and give out money and whatnot - theyre not into material things. Honestly, people are complicated and i wish i could do smth - ISTP
@@endgamez7621 I could see ENTP completely making sense there. The Ti/Fe coin* definitely seem to like it can be present in that kind of dynamic. I second your notion about people being complicated! Sometimes that’s a joy of knowing people, and other times it’s just so frustrating to me 😭 really depends on my mood lolol
@@endgamez7621 Well, I’m currently writing (or, well, “trying to start writing” as the ExxP lingo puts it) a story with an ENTP protagonist, and for a Lead Consume/Blast Last like me, that first involves watching tons of content on ENTPs- particularly the Ti function, since it’s is so bizarre to me. Fe has been a bit of a challenge as well. After asking countless ENTPs online to explain their type to me and after watching hours upon hours of ENTP livestreams and Blast sessions, I understand the type (and my main character) at least a little more than I did before. I think for an ENTP to have insecurities linked to Fi, they would have to first be linked to its other functions in some way. They may feel this absence of personal values sometimes, but it doesn’t usually feel like a detriment to them; the theme that I’ve constantly seen is that ENTPs are usually baffled and confused by the proposed purpose of Fi, as Ti and Fe usually suffice for them. They do sometimes note that they aren’t at all in touch with their personal values and desires a lot of the time, and sometimes they praise strong Fi people for being good at that, but the majority of the time they appear to be almost wary of the vague concept of Fi, as it gets in the way of the firm, logical compass that Ti is for them. (I think it’s because it’s a polr function- and I was expecting that reaction from the ENTPs, because I often find my ENFP self feeling exactly the same about their Ti! What IS that function???) Anyway, I feel like if an ENTP felt a sort of insecurity towards providing for others, it would probably be more linked to Fe than Fi. The ENTP might be noticing this imbalance of constant pouring into Ti logic that pokes holes in the tribe’s perception, and not enough Fe to sympathize with the tribe and understand when it’s best to allow one or two logical inconsistencies to go unaddressed for their sake. What I’ve personally found (for the time being) is that when people are insecure about something and aspire to better themselves in it, it’s far more likely to be 1. Their demons, or perhaps 2. Their Saviors, maybe that second Savior function if they feel they’re doing it inadequately. But both of those would matter much more than 3. A function that isn’t even one of their four functions. The Demons feel uncomfortable, sure, but those other four non-functions just feel… wrong? And contradictory? Intriguing in theory, sure, but awfully odd and disconcerting in practice. (You CAN get better at them, but in my opinion it’s a totally different experience from improving your blind spots/muscle imbalances/tidal waves, etc.) Growing ENTPs, I’ve heard, can use their demon Fe more so as a conversational tool than as a way of making extroverted decisions. The same way my tertiary Te might be able to occasionally notice something that works and put it together, I would think that ENTPs experience this quickness of understanding what works- but in the world of people and their emotions and values. Instead of personally depending on this function, some ENTPs claim it helps them manipulate other people; it allows them to be in tune to what the tribe finds important and to bounce off of that in order to play with their values a little bit. In essence, I’ve read around that Fe can be more of a hobby before it becomes a place for self-growth. ENTPs are usually people of learning, and if their Fe serves their Ne (which wants new perspectives and more patterns) and Ti (which wants to take things apart logically and build truths) I could totally imagine an ENTP willing to use their Fe to play with other people’s minds if it serves the overall Ne/Ti goal. I do think you’ll find it’s not this way with all ENTPs though- or at least, it’s far less intentional if it is the case. A lot of ENTPs just take it upon themselves to poke holes in the logic of other people because it’s not only a fun pastime, but to them, it’s a gift that they wish to be given back to them as well. ENTPs love mental gymnastics and they seem to cherish conversations where other people can make them think. It’s usually less of a, “I want to argue with anything and everything you say!” reaction (though it can appear that way) and more of a, “I see a logical error in what’s been proposed, so let me offer a new perspective you might not have considered. And then we can discuss it.” And when ENTPs share their own views, I’ve also heard they take it as a great compliment if others return the favor. (I find that so interesting and admirable; my Fi, on the other hand, doesn’t usually respond well to contradictions, however necessary they are.) It definitely wouldn’t faze me to know that an ENTP didn’t mind giving to others, though that can apply to basically any type. The material item note, though, could be relevant, since I’m an Ne-dom and material things aren’t the biggest priority for me, either. (That’s all I’m going off of, though, so take it with a grain of salt.) Still, an Ne-dom is more likely to struggle with building substance in reality BECAUSE they chase ideas and conceptual connections rather than chasing a real-world commitment. And this last point doesn’t fully relate, but on a bonus note, something Ne people do sometimes is just talk about an experience- and then that’s enough. They feel no need to live the sensory experience because they find it more fun to explore the concept. If your friend is an ENTP, they may do that. Anyway! Here’s a huge ramble. Sorry it’s so long!!! I hope at least a little bit of it is helpful.
Yeah yeah definitely accurate one of my friends who is an infp show this behaviour he ends up being alone nobody ask for him such a sad story....BTW akon song is expressive
entp here dating an Fi dom (infp i think). i don’t care if she Te’s.... she doesn’t Fe cus she’s so deep in her Fi. receives love amazingly!! giving love?? SCARCE
Not being responsible for emotional environment is an Fe blindness problem. For a Ti, I can see it being a problem of needing balance of the needs of self and others. But for Fe blind, it will just happen to you regardless, the difference being that it's because you don't value Fe so much.
I am curious about something. Not sure if this is the best point to address it (if you have someplace where I can submit such a question let me know). Anyway, my question is this: Let's assume you have an INTP with masculine Fe. Would that still be true? How would the masculine-feminine dynamic play into this aspect of personal hell? How does this fear evolve over time, i.e. with maturity and experience?
@@Sunny_C Yeah, I also got mFe last (or I think I do) and it kind of seems like more of a burden. The thing that is more of a hell for me is feeling forced to be in a situation where *I have to* cater to other people's feelings. Being alone (as long as I don't let myself go) is more heaven than hell.... But you might have a point. We might be too immature to tell the difference ;-)
The question automaticaly dissmissed and contradicts itself. You can't have masculine Fe as an intp. However it's not to say intps can't develop it but they can only have it "masculine" when they enter their enfj subcontious
@@Sunny_C jungian analitical psychology. The one that csj talks about here on yt. I'm not the one to say which system is right or wrong. I guess you could say I take something from both
I don't know. I understand not being as cognizant of how the tribe (actually) feels as an Fe dom., but I can't imagine that my strong values, sensitive conscience, and my Ne would not compensate for the lack of Fe. I feel a strong obligation to my word, and I typically imagine the pain of others as much worse than what is real (I would never torture a bird). When I make decisions where there is no prior obligation, I consider what is better based on values, which are very tribe-centric, but.... no. It doesn't add up. - INFP
That sounds like you are healthy and well-balanced. Using other functions together to 'replace' the 'missing' function is actually quite normal and there are quite a few videos on this. All best to you in your journey! I have an INFP sister, and I can imagine things can be difficult sometimes. Maybe made most difficult by the INFP themselves for themselves, because of those high values.
Don’t Infps have both demons- Demon Te and Demon Fe? Along with demon si and critic ni? So they’re like a combination of both Ron Howard and Tom Hanks hells?
@@belen_hummus just kidding don't.. they'll find a way to love you either way.. Unless they kill you or imprison you. Then well, you're practically Fucked. that would be True Hell.
