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Kendrick hasn't tweeted, posted anything, he has no festivals, no concerts, no IG caption, just 1 verse that Shooo everything up, and it was a surprise feature, no music video, no cover art, he is really the boogeyman
@@colonelfrogs Facts . Hip Hop is art but is also a competitive genre . It's a blood sport and Cole is bleeding between the legs right now. If drake doesn't respond the war is won for K Dot by default . I bet never hear Cole throw any subliminal shots after either. All that tough talk was fluff talk !
Another Cole stray was... "Let's get it up, it's time for him to prove that he a PROBLEM..." That's what Big daddy Kane called Cole when he chose him over Kendrick... That line is so slept on
Respectfully I don't think kendrick said anything crazy at all. The problem is neither did cole and people just assume kendrick will wash him so he is dealing with perception more than reality. But, cole flat out lied. kendrick don't got any trash album at all. The problem is to me no matter what kendrick was going to say it would be overblown and no matter what cole said it wouldn't be respected as much because of perception. Doesn't matter anyway now because cole did some straight coward ish
@@ouzykun8796 I agree with most of your comment but Cole isn't a coward... He's not about negativity... He's changed since born sinner... And it's made him a better MC... People need to chill on the apology...
@@ouzykun8796Yeah, after seeing comments about 7 minute drill, despite even being a slightly better disstrack because of how longer and more direct it was, people slept on it. The media was swayed way towards Kendrick’s side. I didn’t really care though, because I felt as though that would just be inevitable, or maybe not if J. Cole drops a diss that ends it once and for all, but instead he decided to forfeit the battle, which just straight up more disappointing than the fact that the internet is biased toward Kendrick, now its literally his fault
As a cole fan, we took a fucking L. And not because of a skill issue. It's the Drake effect, cole got in his feelings, because he has been hanging around Drake for too long...
I’m conflicted On one hand this is soft ash from Cole . At least he should hear out what Kendrick has to say in response. Meek Mill put out a diss with the Undertaker theme song that everyone clowned on and he still left it up. Icejjfish too. On the other hand I always thought of Cole as a peaceful guy, so it makes me sense seeing him stay true to himself. The album was literally called might delete later. At least alla this is making hip hop fun again. We ain’t had many good disses since Pusha T incinerated Drake. Ion get why Cole apologised for the diss track. He let Nas down again
You’re just as bad as them lil bro. Both of these rappers talk about lifting and elevating the culture but now you want them to fight just for your own entertainment. Crazy.
As a fan of both of them Yall Kendrick fans losing your godamn minds after he said "it's just big me" As if it's the most complex coldest line in all of rap, Both disstracks weren't really that good , but We all know if kendrick responded again, shit would've gone wild, same with Cole
@@WillemDefoecouldn’t of said it better myself. Instead of people just enjoying the new music and the beef, they’re attacking both artists and the people that like them. It’s truly sad.
The glazing from Cole fans is insane. Why are you applauding him for being "mature"? You wanted him to respond just two days ago. I like Cole a lot but this was a bitch move
So you would rather listen to music where they are dissing each other off of “fake” beef? Cause that’s what this is. Entirely fake and manufactured, pushed by fans and social media influencers that know “beef” means views and money This shows how pathetic most hip hop “fans” are. You’re more a fan of toxic drama and fake / insincere artists who are just a manufactured product designed to get maximum attention. How can there be a beef, when there’s no beef? And how would you enjoy it knowing it’s not authentic?
@@Day-ZDuke Nope. Personally, I'm much more a fan of Rap when it's just music. Not really interested in beef or diss tracks at all. But you can't spend the last four years talking about being the best and chicken out before the fight even starts. Cole will still be one of my favourite rappers but he chose the least respectable option. He could've just not responded. That would've been better tbh
@@theworstguys9487 fair enough, I get where you’re coming from I just feel like Cole just doesn’t want to / can’t really come with a proper diss track, when he doesn’t have a reason to diss / any real emotion behind it. But again I do understand the point you’re making as well
TBH I get it. We're always talking this "Essence of Hip-Hop" talk and I'm an old head (40), so I remember the battles of old, but rappers nowadays are a lot more older and wiser than the pioneers. J. Cole is 39 years old, which is more than twice the age of the 17 year old pioneers that made dissing a thing. When you think about it, what good have we ever gotten from rap beef? Remy defeated Nicki, so Nicki retired and Remy didn't put out any music = the fans lose. We lost MC Shan, Ja Rule, Canibus, and a host of other great talent, because someone else won a beef... not to mention all the artists that lost their lives due to that culture. What we all truly want is that Kendrick and Cole collab. Both Kendrick and Cole are fathers, what do they look like writing passionate critiques of each other? Not a popular take, but the culture needs to mature a bit.
Exactly rap has to mature pass that you’re right young man have dictated what goes on in this sport/art it’s time for the same men, to be mature and keep evolving to tell the actual simple truth of it all
@@Shadybiglpac 💯 even in competitive sports, you have the concept of "good sportsmanship", because their have always been adults and mentors that know that wild rivalries can spiral out of control (just look at soccer hooligans, as an example). When you have this crab in the barrel mentality, it robs us of great collab like the Cole/Kendrick album, we lose great artists, AND it promotes snubbing and gatekeeping. The word toxic is overused, but it applies here.
@@kj_H65f Why? People our ages should be logical. Sure, Hip-Hop can have competition, but why does it "need" beef? Do other forms of music need beef? Other forms of artistice expressions? Even sports has the concept of "good sportmanship" amongst rivals. The truth is that beef has robbed us of lots of collaborations and good music/art, and even the lives of great artists... but it's just "weak" I guess? We shouldn't learn or mature and we should look forward to the latest rap gossip on wax.
I would love to disagree but I can’t smh. Because what’s up with all those “competitive” bars if we gonna backpedal? Like I get it because he let the world influence his response but still. Idk.
How would a fake beef, between two artists who have no real animosity towards each other, something good or cool? This is a perfect example of the shallow, fake, insincere society we live in. Obsessed with drama and conflict and insulting each other, bringing each other down at every opportunity Having these 2 rappers fake anger and resentment towards each other, all so youtubers and bloggers and record execs can make money, and fans can have someone to make fun of / diss on for “losing”. This will “breathe life into rap”? A bunch of manufactured drama and allusions to violence, borne of fake beef. Pathetic really
@@Day-ZDukeso stone cold can’t fight the rock because they are friends . It’s entertainment but u so soft and commenting everywhere no wonder u a j coke fan
Shouldn't have even dropped That diss song man. I heard somewhere that J cole probably saw people dissing Tpab on twitter and realised he caused an irreparable damge to the culture and now wants to fix it. Feeling bad for the dude. HOWEVER. Dude you literally claimed you were the Mohammad ali of this game so what did you expect others to do? just accept it? of course they will come for you and you have to be ready for that.
This comment lacks intelligence. You can’t damage an album that’s been out for years already received every possible accolade it could get. Say that his silly diss did damage. Like what you smoking? Not even j cole feels that way he was reading yall comments that’s why he lost. You can’t diss k dots albums they are far too great 😂😂😂😂😂 tf
@@JudgeMeByMyProgression Take time and actually read what I said dude.I said "The twitter folks think that way". Obviously I or J cole don't believe tpab was boring.The fact that this diss even caused this kind of conversation is the problem (jokers like adin ross calling tpab overrated and shit) Before that you would get SMOKED if you said anything about tpab but now that heat has been reduced why? Cause one of the biggest rapper just dissed it. That is what my point is. J cole saw that People were using HIS name to diss Tpab and that might have saddened him. Also to clear these are all speculation
Cole himself ain’t believe anything he said on that track. I felt like it was just bluffing especially the tpab slander. I was lowkey disappointed he even downplayed that album but now looking back at the apology it seems he was too.
@@JudgeMeByMyProgressionno he’s right. 90% of fan are sheep. They will literally create a narrative that TPAB.. a masterpiece is trash. Once that dies, all real hip hop music going forward is gonna be deemed trash. Tupac will be considered trash, Nas, Biggie , etc.. He protecting the bar in hip hop which is already dying
I respect him as a human for being able to admit mistakes but hes been talking about being the goat, "putting your favourite rappers neck in a noose"... its a dissonance between how he acts and what he raps. Im still waiting on the fall off but i feel like this is a career defining moment
A lot of people are going to start realizing this was part of the point of "Like That". Like you said person to person it's respectable but he's been out here talking like a battle rapper coming for the top spot for years now and Kendrick called his bluff. Now so many Cole fans are saying "it should just be about the music, rap beef is corny anyway" but they're proving they don't really listen to what he's saying because the competition has been a HUGE part of his music this whole time. As a person I respect him, but as a rap legend he's forever got a stain on his career he put there himself because he could've just kept his head up high instead of caving to public pressure of putting out a distrack
How is this career defining? If the music is still fire who cares what is said on stage or in interviews. Plus Cole hasn't been put in a real beef situation in a while anyway. This was manufactured by Kendrick who apparently is willing to say stuff just because
Cole shouldn’t have responded in the first place. Drake probably convinced him to respond and gave him ideas of what to say. This call to action was for Drake he either need to get in the studio or completely ignore it. I commend Cole for being honest because he didn’t sound like he believed what he was saying.
@@Jason__0336 Well I used to think the same thing. It's a bit frustrating but we both know that his apologies have nothing to do with his lyrical abilities. I believe that Cole responded because he felt like he "had" to respond. He's an amazing spitter/storyteller or whatever, but he's also too much in his humble/uplifting others persona which is not that surprising if we're being honest. He's Always been like that, let's just wait for him to see what he has to offer on "The Fall Off".
@@NXMAD85 I don't think you understand. His album isn't gonna take off like it could have. Only die hard J Cole fans will be supporting him. He had the chance to back up everything he said in his music that wasn't even close to being humble and when the time came he backed down away from it. There isn't a song that can be made now that reverses this damage he self inflicted on his career. As much as his fans say it's being "humble" it comes off as soft and you can't fix that
@@Jason__0336 I perfectly understand man. Cole been rapping his ass off like nobody could mess with him until those apologies that no one asked for. Nevertheless, I don't wanna call it a "self inflicted damage" like you said. I still think (hopefully) that he can come back from it. I actually listen to Kendrick way more even though I've always acknowledged Cole rap skills. Like I said before, it's frustrating and it would've been an amazing sparring between those two, Hip-hop needed that. I'm still curious to see what he has to offer because he said that he had six iterations of "The Fall Off".
Tbh might delete later on pace to sell over 150k first week, I consider all those sales his true fans mixed with a lil fans listening to 7 min drill. I’m still optimistic he will drop a diss when his mind is ready for it and the fall off too.
@@MentionDav3 it's two weeks later. He had a lot of time to remove the diss from the project. He was sleeping like a baby until it dropped. He said what he felt and is now taking it back and losing respect in the process.
@@bafanakaione9534 only y’all are invested in two people you don’t know feuding for absolutely nothing. This is exactly how Biggie and Pacs beef started. A bunch of lames adding gasoline until a flame really broke out. They are both great artist in a game a lames and weirdos. Them making music together would bring hip hop together more than a beef over nothing and some crew members stepping out of line eventually.
😂 Only J-Cole fans couldnt hear the obvious. It was clear J-Cole didnt want to do that shit. I hope this helps with yall maturity and growth in being able to listen to music past the words.
As much as I love a good battle, I respect Cole for knowing himself and his truth. Never do a thing that feels bad for your spirit, no matter the what people feel about you. LOVE YOURS.
Because it's real, you feel it as he does because he is able to express it on mic perfect, that's goat potential. Talking simple shit and making sound like an abomb 😂
@@KingBenny Once you make diss tracks about each other specifically, it’s beef. Look at what Cole said about what he thought about Kendrick’s albums and lack of studio time. That’s personal. That’s the reason he apologized, cause he didn’t really have a reason to make it personal but that’s the only way diss songs work is if they’re personal. Then on top of that, despite Kendrick barely referencing Cole in his verse, a lot of people said Cole STILL didn’t do enough simply because it was Kendrick (which was ridiculous) and they clearly wanted it to be even MORE personal. Friendly competition is both of you calling yourself the goat and putting out your best work, and maybe some light jabs here and there. Diss tracks are for real beef in my opinion.
Y’all trying to make it seem like the only time you can be competitive is when you’re beefing naw Kenny wanna see how they really cooking and Cole just got out the kitchen.
7:26 idk I feel like it’s the right course. He’s being honest and true to himself, doesn’t care what people will think, and I respect that. The rap beef was stupid anyway.
I get that people respect that he's being true to himself by backing down from something he never wanted and I can respect it on some level. But I also gotta look back at how tough he's talked about himself throughout all the years and realize he ain't really like that. He doesn't have the spirit to be fighting for the top spot and that's fine but now all those bars throughout his discography are going to feel weak and fake in hindsight
I feel bad for Cole sometimes like when he's the nice guy people say he's boring and soft(I like nice guy Cole 4yeo is his best album fight me) but when he starts dissing and stuff and it comes of as half-hearted people still make fun off him like he's being forced into a box that just doesn't fit him also I just wanna point out how quiet drakes has been
J Cole is a bigger person than I could ever be. Kendrick is unarguably the better artist but this was J Cole’s chance to prove he was the better rapper through the beef. I want with all my being to say he didn’t want that kong fu kenny smoke but I truly think he just didn’t want to get that respect from beefing with someone he truly admires and loves. Weird feelings for all hip hop fans rn tho. Kdot still gets a 1v1 with Drake tho 😈
Well as a J Cole fan, seeing your brothers fight or beef with each other is inside sad, from outside we dk how close they were as we weren't there with them, so Cole saying that he felt inflicted after releasing that, we should respect his feeling toward his bros who he thought were his competition not opposition.
Jcole 's apology and some random thoughts. (While this is post is gonna be looong, I'd recommend you read it throughout, cause I think it says what YOU may be thinking.) I see a lot of talks about Cole backing out of "Fear" - but to me that's not the case. I mean, he pulled a triple entendre with the "Stone Temple Pilots" bar and all that. Plus he's hung out with the likes of Daylyt, Soul, Royce, Benny. So I don't even think it's fear of being lyrically bested, I think it's something much more worse and frustrating. And you'll unsurprisingly realize that if you've followed Cole his whole career. Lil Pump basically led a movement to clown this MF, and he still thought himself to be Jesus and "sit down and talk". Another case is the no name saga..he even made the thing worse by his response -indirectly acknowledging what No Name said?? Did Kendrick say anythin? Why does he feel like he has to dying on hip-hop's cross? to save who? Lol. Incase you haven't caught it by now -he's too much a Nice guy, and trying to keep that “Humility and peace” image. Which makes zero sense when it comes to a genre like fuckin rap!!! So I don't think it's fear, rather, naivety, nice guy syndrome and just lack of self respect. Seriously one of my main grips with Cole has been this nice guy, "humble "persona he keeps puttin on(especially in a genre like hip-hop) which I thought was kinda slowly wearin off with his recent releases. But did hanging out with Drake made him soft again or what? On a more personal level, I remember by roommate being the one that got me into Cole. Now the nigga had a particular scorn for Eminem, and I had a particular scorn for Cole too cause I believed the whole "Cole is boring and overrated" stuff without actually listening. So there was this unspoken competition between us when it comes to our favorites. But he ended up winnin me over to Cole. So before now, I've been grateful for him for introducin me to Cole. Listenin to Cole these past years has been surreal, like I've been missing a lot. Infact the good on features but bad on albums thing ironically made me like him more cause it reminded of a GOAT of the character -Andre 3k. And talkin about that, he should from now on just stick to Andre 3k type artistry -try and be an actually great rapper technically.. and definitely stop making claims like “a beef with me is like the BET awards I bet you niggas don't want it" From Royce(Eminem's and Tariq's only equal) to JID to Bas to Krit to Benny ..now to Daylyt and Soul, he's consistently proved he can either outrap or equal high caliber spitters. I thought he's acquired all the aspects of "rap rap", with only a 10/10 album, and battle rap remaining. One thing he doesn't realize is that with this, the standards for the Fall off just soared so high. Just like he's deleting his diss from the aplty named EP, the Fall off might be his true fall off. So he better come with S+++ work on the Fall off..cause this is def weirdly stewpid lmfao.
I think this mixtape was actually thrown together pretty quick. He's been saying a little lately/over the past year or two (paraphrasing), "I should just release all my music regardless of quality cus it came from me and its me". I think this mixtape was one of those cases and from a technical standpoint, this is probably some of J Cole's best rapping (slight contradiction lol), but I do feel like there's no real direction or story being told with the bars, hence I don't feel like this is some of his best work lyrically. Technically, fantastic... lyrically, not so sure, which leads back to my idea of this being thrown together quite quickly. We still have It's A Boy and The Fall Off. I think it was Ives that was asked what his favourite Cole album is, and he said The Fall Off. I believe that the Cole's technical and lyrical abilities will shine brightest on those two albums (I hope). I refuse to believe any rapper can have 6 iterations of an album, and by the time we get to hear it, it's mid 😂 I'm a bigger Kendrick fan than Cole, but I really hope J Cole's last two projects are classics. "The Fall Off is like Hov dropping Reasonable Doubt last" 😬😬🤞
I did read the whole thing but I'm caught on the Kendrick didn't respond to noname. I'm pretty sure he did on Family Ties when he said "I've been ducking overnight activists". Doesn't really change much but it was bothering me
Bro apologizing ain’t never been a weak thing depending on the context. I respect J Cole bro. Especially if there is something behind the scenes J Cole knows and understands about Kendrick… Quite sure J know things we don’t know about K-Dot personally, why we so competitive as a culture!!! Let’s talk about that!!! Why cats just can’t be Great! Why they have to be the Greatest!! This what the Romans were like…&That’s Demonic!…Yea see!! They killed Christ!! Man,Let J Cole live! the culture is bloodthirsty like J said!!! Sad!! The Culture need therapy!!
J. Cole didn’t apologize all he said is that the track he made was lame because his heart wasn’t into it and he just did it to please the fans and he doesn’t like doing that. He likes doing his own thing and not fall into the hype.
I think a lot of people looking at this from a young man's perspective. You got to remember who j Cole is as a person. He doesn't really like confrontation. And I know it surprising given what industry he's in, but he doesn't want to fight someone. He said that in the song twice that he didn't want to fight Kendrick and that people been hunting him down and begging him for a toxic reply which is why he didn't even create such a heavy diss track is because he didn't want to do it to begin with and that it's just not was right in his spirit. And one unfortunate thing about hip hop is the community loves toxic behavior. And for Cole this right here was just enough to make him realize this is not something that he wants to do cuz it doesn't sit right with him. The fact that he even put negativity out in the world for him I respect him for it.
I don't. I'm an old man and I know that true wisdom is keeping your mouth shut in the first place, and if you do choose to talk, back up your words. Thats true hip hop, thsts real. Cole wants the benefits of the beef with none of the work and effort that it takes. Its weak and honestly I respect him a lot less than I would have if he would have kept his mouth shut. A giant doesn't need to move unless provoked and he just proved that "arms too short" Kendrick provoked him to write an entire track, after one or two bars. And then "U N O" Cole backs off before he even gets a response. This is weak. No way to spin this one.
Hip Hop is a blood sport we’ve had too many rappers come in and try and be Gandhi in here when rap is about PROVING you’re better than your peers especially when you’re challenged.
J Cole didn't admit defeat in any possible way. He simply has a conscious that disagrees with the beef he put out. Just because Kendrick calls him out, doesn't mean he has to be involved. He has been very open about supporting both drake and Kendrick. It was obvious he didn't have any real beef with either. Real fans saw this coming from a mile away. He has a pure heart.
Law 8: Make other people come to you, use bait if necessary.. Fam, he literally lyrically slap you and your man's at the same time and you respond with a warning and then you apologize. Get the F out of the way. Go kill another "Lil what's his name" because this the BIG LEAGUE! Mr. 3 no more Shadow Boxing go grad Drake towel or something. Meek, you're so lucky.
Talkin bout ,war’ in the state the world is actually in is sickening and as an artist myself i dont want to lose any of these people that i’ve listened to since literally elementary school, thank you
Tbh I think Cole is making a pretty smart move here. He responds to Kendrick with a “warning shot” (even though he basically said everything he could possibly diss Kendrick about and some of it was even false like the bars about Kendrick’s discography. He knows he can’t go toe to toe with Kendrick in a rap beef ( just compare the bars in Kendricks like that verse and the bars in 7 minute drill and the fact that Cole’s “paying homage” bars are just him biting other more skilled rappers bars), so he apologises to Kendrick as a way to back out of the beef before Kendrick has a chance to respond. If Kendrick responds now he will look like the petty one and Cole will take the moral high ground. So apologising is a win win for Cole since his fans think he bodied Kendrick with 7 minute drill ( even though he had a full song and Kendrick only had a verse which was mainly targeted at drake in the first place) and he gets the promotion for the fall off ( whether good or bad promotion is promotion). Fair play to Cole he gets to save face.
I think it’s so stupid that people are upset that J Cole “apologized” and that he’s not “Big 3” for it. Him and Kendrick used to have a pretty close relationship and I really don’t think anything happened between them that caused them to fall out. It seems that Cole probably understands that he doesn’t need to choose sides in this “Hip Hop War” thing going on and that he’s just a dude trynna make great music. These dudes for the most part going at it over a female for the most part which has nothing to do with Cole.
I'm so sick of seeing this cope everywhere. I get that he didn't want smoke and I can respect him backing down from someone he respects but on ALL of his albums he talks about destroying rappers and ending careers and sending home in bodybags. Now all of that comes off so fucking corny. If it was just about making great music then he needs to stop talking like he's an underground battle rapper like he has been for YEARS and saying he's fighting for the number one spot when he ain't really like that.
@@edd8390 If he bodies everybody’s favorite artists on features how is he not like that? And y’all have no complaints about Drake saying he’s number 1 while having ghost writers, getting smoked by the supposed “Bronze rapper” on his own song like he was scared to even try to compete, and avoiding Kendrick altogether? Kendrick 1 Cole 2 and Drake 3 and it’s been that way the whole time I’m not denying that. But it’s stupid to say “He’s not competitive cause he apologized.” Who cares! He sent a somewhat personal shot at Kendrick and it didn’t sit right with him to get personal. That does not mean he’s not competitive.
@@StatusSymbol dude, all the features on the project he just dropped rapped just as good if not better than him. You're just coping at this point, Cole himself just backed down for the competition
@@edd8390 I’m not even talking about his project. I’m talking about him getting on everybody else’s songs and smoking them. You’re delusional if you say otherwise. I’m not “coping” tf I literally just said Kendrick is number 1 and Cole is 2. He decimates everybody on they own songs. 🤷🏾♂️
Well I was looking forward to where this rivalry was going, but I still respect J Cole for this He is already a top 3 and his legacy in the rap game is already sealed, and he did all of that without constant dissing or beefing with anyone. That just tell us the kind of artist he is, and if diss rap is not on him then it is for the best he doesn’t indulge further After all no matter how good bars J cole may have againts Kendrick, the youtube critics are still going to gass up Kendrick so why bother giving it your all to a un winnable battle and then losing a friend in the end? ( ex: Fantano and. His constant Kendrick meat ridding). Respect for Cole
Kendrick didn't even have the time to get in the booth and Cole is giving up? i mean, it's in character for him but he could've atleast waited for Kendrick to fire back.
Man, the fanbase is so toxic. Let rappers produce music to their best potential without creating beefs with others fo no real reason. Having beefs with others about basically nothing is so 2010. Grow up and move on. True J. Cole fans will understand the direction he is heading. The king for a reason! 🔥
Rap is and has always been a competative genre, if Cole wants to avoid competition and beefs that is totally fine, but then he does not have the right to call himself the best.
He could have rode this out on competition but no he’s acting like he’s stopping real violence. I was hyped for the fall off, I don’t even wanna hear it now. Talking about he’d smoke rappers and he’s number 1, no one’s trying to hear that now. Fumbled his whole legacy.
I respect it. Everybody want discourse nowadays when we already got plenty of that to deal with in the world. Don’t really care for rap disses anyways. Peace be with you all.
Man fuck all that drama, I'm proud him! He know things can escalate beyond what is expected. If Pac or Biggie had even a little of J. Cole's spirit, they would still be alive today for the world to enjoy them!!! Good bless the child 🙏🏿👑
I get it we put him in a sticky situation If you think about it saying f the big three it's just big me is not that different from saying I feel like Muhammad Ali J Cole clearly felt he was being pressured by something he didn't take the time to clarify Kendrick didn't really go at him he went more at Drake mostly he just caught a stray What other hand cole kind of rob us of a potential best moment in hip hop 🤷🏿♀️ By backing down what you can't force a man to do something he doesn't want to do especially if he doesn't want to live a facade and doing stuff for the sake of the people instead of himself
I don't know. I feel like how he has been rapping lately and all that I'm the best, goat, and niqqas shouldn't test me is all a facade now. Might Delete Later don't sound/feel the same no more.😢
I pretty much agree with everything you said in this. Plus he didn't like the discourse and that's probably because they're was less debating and more choosing sides
