Jack Neary is a very accomplished benchrest shooter. He's a member of the BR Hall of Fame and has multiple records to his name. Watch the entire Jack Neary interview here: www.shootsmall... Visit my website: www.shootsmallgroups.com
Jack Neary shot a 200 yard World record of 0.110” for 5 shots. Keep that in mind as you listen to him and why he does what he does. 😉 Like the video for more.
I’ve read things like the things you talk about here, but hearing them directly from the greats like Jack and Speedy makes it so much better. I think you have found a RU-vid niche Erik.
WOW! A top ranked f-class shooter comparing notes with a top ranked benchrest shooter. Who can ask for more than that? Thank you Erik and Jack for a great video.
Clean gun barrel is a happy barrel. When I competed in IHMSA in the Unlimited Class with a 7mmT/CU. After my 40 shot string in 35-40 minutes, and believe me when say the barrel would get hot, I would do a rudimentary bore cleaning with Sweets 7.62, but when I had to participate in a shoot off, I would shoot another 20-30 rounds or more a few times. When I get home I would take a day or two to fully clean. Most barrels would burn out in one season.
I shoot 1,000 BR, 8 sighters, ten record rounds, clean immediately, warm barrels clean quicker. I only shoot a completely clean barrel, but that's just me.
I clean my rimfire Benchrest rifle by Speedy Gonzales after 30 shots or one card at the range. I do a more through cleaning at home before I go to the range. I use iosso once a month. I use Wipeout patch out and Accelerator for cleaning.
Funny you should ask, I took an old 6PPC barrel that I felt was no longer competitive and rechambered it in 6X45 (necked up .223) with a Remington tenon. It was just 20" long when done and gave it to a buddy to play with. He came back a week later saying it was the most accurate rifle he had ever owned, it shoots 1/2" groups all day long! "Yes I know, that's why I took it off!"
It’s as if this PRS world is taking over. I asked a question about Alpha brass on a Facebook group, the PRS cheerleaders blasted me like I was a idiot. Most of these PRS shooters are young and inexperienced but act like they have all the answers. It’s kinda like modern day Democrats.
This is priceless information . You can tell when someone is at the top of their profession by the achievements they have earned and how they have no hesitation for sharing the information/experience about their profession . They only present facts based on their testing or competition results . They don"t force it upon you but they lay it all out for you to follow if your open enough to absorb it and use it . These people who share their knowledge so givingly will make us all better at shooting , reloading , competition , hunting , and most of all teaching everyone to perfect your skills and share that experience . Great interview ! Please Bring Jack Back ! Both of you have UP my game , put me way ahead of the curve . Thank You
Great interview Erik! I'm a PRS shooter and I do a patch cleaning every 100 rounds. I then bore scope the barrel and generally do a deeper cleaning every 300 - 400 rounds. I agree that I'll hear during a match "I never clean my barrel" a lot. Sometimes I think that statement is made to throw people off if you know what I mean. They're not going to fire 2,500 rounds down a 6 GT barrel that has high pressure and high velocity and never clean that barrel. I'll keep doing what I do and know that if/when I miss, it was on ME and not my equipment. Thanks again for this and I'd love to see you run a bore scope down a dirty barrel and discuss with us all what you're looking at, especially that nasty carbon ring.
My deep cleans are every 75 rounds with wipeout patching every 25 rounds. I shoot with a suppressor and carbon build up is insane despite tuned loads with 100% burn ratio. I can’t understand why people under estimate how baked on hard carbon layers get if not regularly cleaned. Nylon brushes are a waste of time for deep cleans. K1 carbon remover and brass brushing is needed. Anything else is tickling the carbon 😅
thanks guys, I learned a few things. Even though I don't shoot competitively, I'm always looking to shoot more accurately. By my standards I've improved watching Erik. My HBAR AR maintains 3/8"@100 yrds after implementing changes I have from Erik and some expert shooters I know from my Marine days.
Another topic well covered. Those folks that don’t clean well measure their groups in MOA, 10,000ths. A hit anywhere on a 2 moa piece of steel is still a hit. In benchrest, a shot outside the group is a participant.
Would like to see a video from start to finish on cleaning with some borescoping along explaining what we're seeing. I'm a prs shooter and I hate hearing shoot til groups open. Barrels are consumables but i still want to take care of it.
This is a pretty old video, so I don't expect either Eric or Jack to comment ; but I'm going to say that, when I was a kid, a very old man (mentor) told me that you clean a rifle barrel the same way you sharpen a knife. From the base to the point. I pull the brush and the patch, from the breech to the muzzel. It takes more time, but I think it's worth it. I don't have nasty stuff in the action and the barrel seems to get very clean. I have never had a borescope, I've only just looked down the barrel.🤷🏼♂️ To me, it just makes sense to run a brush and patches in the same direction as the rifling. Any thoughts on this?
Thanks for the video with Jack. I just started my venture down the 6ppc nbrsa. Thanks to Jack I have found a mentor in my area. There is still alot to learn but atleast the learning curve is smaller.
I really like these videos with Jack, "winning matches by .0001" that's outta my league by a bit. I believe I'll stick to " until my groups open up". Lol.
I have a theory about that “gravel road feeling”. Had it happen often despite regular cleaning. Instead of just using Wipeout, I started using K1 carbon remover and leaving it half an hour before brass brushing and was amazed at the carbon coming out of a previously cleaned barrel, which needed another several cleans with K1. Once all the carbon came out I used wipeout and hey presto, more coppering removed. Carbon is so hard and forms in layers which trap copper fouling. Carbon buildup was the culprit. Once clean enough the rod passes through smooth as silk. Takes me several hours to clean a barrel properly and 10 minutes to maintain it with Wipeout every 25 to 40 rounds. I only use extruded vhit powders.
Firm believer the regular guy shooting a deer rifle shoot it till it's grouping tight then clean it but don't scrub it . Oil it and put it up till next time.
Somewhere I heard that a top fuel engine doesn't even get 1000 revolutions between rebuilds. A few seconds at idle to set timing, then they tow it out for burnout and staging, which goes by pretty quickly. The run itself is over in only a few seconds and tops out with the engine staying well under 10,000 rpm.
This walk thru interview is just amazing. Love hearing this stuff! My PRS shooting buddies scoff at me cause I clean every range trip or day of match!! I haven’t heard anyone mention bore guides when they clean, why not?
I think because we assume it’s coming practice to use a bore guide and kind of basic that we just don’t discuss it, but you are correct, it should be brought up.
I always enjoy your videos - I learn SO much from this kind of thing - learning from the people who are truly good at what they do and know from hands-on experience. Thanks!
So are you using soft or hard nylon brushes and how far into the bore are you brushing with abrasives? Are you pulling the abrasive back out with a patch or are you running it straight through when cleaning it out?
@@bonsaiforu I’m also not a Match Shooter, but would be interested in finding a happy compromise in cleaning correctly, but maybe not as often to win per- say matches. But learn the right way, and how often to keep nice groups say 1MOA at 100 yards, and yet most importantly not damage or shorten the life of my barrel.
@@repairfreak yeah I am in the same boat. I was trying to say the cleaning routine presented in the video is probably more tailored to a very specific group of shooters. Most of the recreational shooter aren’t really trying to get that 0.001” of accuracy. I maybe wrong. Also the video doesn’t talk about the impact on the barrels with frequent cleaning like after every group.
good morning. I have a tikka t3x 223r with which I enjoy shooting at 100 and 200 metres. I wanted an opinion on the cleaning technique called hot cleaning, using lead alloy balls and IOSSO paste. Is it a valid technique? and every how many shots can it be performed? Thank you
How does this apply to small bore I wonder? I don’t clean my 22s much except for reliability reasons, and neither do the other guys I know who to smallbore bullseye.
I used to clean my smallbore rifles every session - then I stopped and noticed there was no difference to my group sizes or scores. I will wipe down the muzzle every time as I use a tuner, clean and lubricate the inside and outside of the bolt every so often and get the crud out of the extractor ports and breech. I know of one of our top shooters here who thought he had damaged his barrel (a Grunig) because he cleaned and it took 35 rounds before it would group consistently again.
Here is an article I wrote for Brownells on the proper use of JB Bore Paste. Copy and paste or click on the following link. Keep'em Small, Speedy www.brownells.com/aspx/learn/learndetail.aspx?lid=12950
As a former Hand Gun Silhouetter, We’d have to go a minimum of forty five rounds, five rounds in two minutes. I would do my load development with a hot and dirty gun. It best represents Our matches of 45, 65 or 85 rounds.
I too feel carbon is my biggest enemy with my 1000yd benchrest match barrels. I clean constantly and every 3 cleanings i use iosso or jb nom embedding paste in my Brux barrels. That hard carbon is a killer and unless you have the money for a steam cleaner you got to use paste
Great video! I think it’s a little naive to think a paste will wear away at a steel barrel. The paste is so much softer. I know that air and water erode at rock but that takes millions of years. Just clean your gun however see fit. I don’t shoot competitively and don’t even own a bolt gun but my ARs get cleaned every time they get shot. If you don’t clean not only do you lose some accuracy but you introduce the possibility of reliability issues. Never understood the mindset of “you clean too much” or “nah bro, it’s an AR I only clean it after 5000 rounds.” These items can last hundreds of years if cared for properly. Keep up the great work! Love your channel!
The other extreme is out there. Ask an armourer if he has given out a rifle with a brand new barrel and a bored soldier has brushed away most of the rifling. I wouldn't believe it if I didn't know the armourer for more than 20 years. I can only guess it was a seriously hard brush on a chain or rod that led to the abuse for hours. Mindful cleaning is helpful, mindless cleaning can be detrimental. We're the ones who watch those videos to get it right, to know if there is a better process.
Hey Erik! I haven't seen a Barndo video lately. Is everything going well in construction? Or is Leroy running it full time, and you're doing these videos? I always loved your attention to detail on the barndo's!
david salsedo 0 seconds ago Dr. C, I only watch these to hear the song at the end. Long live King Jack!! Please have him on as a regular guest like you do with Speedy. He really is spectacular.
Don Nagel? From Ohio? Avon/Sheffield area? I worked with him. I think he used to shoot a 25-06? I've heard he was a world class shooter but i've never talk to him about it. I used to think "i could hang with this guy" with my less than mediocre factory 700 in 300win. I didn't realize until now when you mentioned him how out of my leauge i was back then. God bless him.
I'm obviously not them but putting the paste on a patch is the way to get the paste down the barrel and on the steel. Then remove the patch and scrub. Once done scrubbing, use patches to get the majority of the paste out. You'll see the patches come out filthy then each one get progressively cleaner. Once pretty clean use a wet patch to get the remainder out. My 2 cents worth.
Why would anyone want to see their groups open up before you clean? Part of the reason you clean is to prevent your groups from opening up. (ETA: This is the difference between being in the top ten and being out of contention). This kind of thinking goes with everything, why are you going to wait until you have trouble before you do any maintenance? Your maintenance is suppose to help prevent you from getting into trouble in the first place. 🤦🏻♂️
I am an army cleaner. I'm trying to wean myself from it, and the more oil is better habit but it's hard. I always shoot for bull but what is the point of an amazing group if you're not hitting the bulls eye? Hunting or home defence you need to hit where you aim to humanely put down your prey, a great group in the wrong spot won't achieve your intent. What is the product from Canada?
Barrels are absolute consumable...keep them clean and change when needed! Im still working on keeping my stuff clean...i shoot prs mostly and get lazy on cleaning lol
When I hear "matches are won by 1 ten thousandth of an inch" I have to wonder: Is it even POSSIBLE to AIM at the same place, within 1 ten thousandth? I would guess that it's not. Can anyone make a claim how much variation in aiming there IS in BR shooting?
What about copper solvents with ammonia? Do you have to make sure to get all the solvent out when you are done to prevent etching of the barrel? Would you use something like carb cleaner to make sure you get it all out?
I can't quit thinking about copper metallurgy the hardness number also consistent barrel temperature and ammo temperature.can copper be plated out of a barrel,using electricity? Does carbon and copper form layers , one over the other? Also ultrasonic cleaning springs to mind. Might be good For tuner brakes I donno.
I don't have barrels as expensive as these guys but every time I thoroughly clean my barrels my groups go from an inch or less all the way up to an 1 1/2 or 2
I have an overbore 28 Nosler. Even though I change my barrel out every year, being the round is so hot and dirty VVN570 86.2 grains, I still HAVE to clean every 20 rounds. The carbon build up is bad. I use KG2 bore paste with the pellets. Only 5 to 10 strokes cleans it back down to bare. I am still getting around 600 rounds per barrel.
Question: So when you use the abrasive and the nylon brush, do you push the brush from the chamber end, through the barrel, then remove the brush at the muzzle end, pull the cleaning rod, reinstall the brush and repeat? OR do you pull the brush back through the barrel from muzzle to chamber? I have heard both to be correct. Which method is best?
Curious what everyone considers an “accurate barrel”. Not talking brands or models. What is it about a barrel that makes it more accurate than another?
I'm not a competitive shooter by any means but this is very interesting. Personally I don't clean my guns until the groups start opening up like yall talked about briefly but I'm assuming with BR or F-Class where consistency is king yall know exactly how that barrel is going to shoot when it's clean all the way to "x" amount of rounds later so trying to keep the barrel in that window is kind of a necessity... Like I already said this is very interesting!! Great video as always keepem coming brother
I watched the video and thought that you were using CLR. It begs to ask, how long can you let CLR sit on the barrel to loosen the carbon. Is it soak and wait and then push another wet patch of CLR and repeat? Or is continuously keep running patches s of CLR one after the other?
Well I guess that settles the debate on whether to clean OR not to clean. Makes perfect sense. Thanks really enjoyed this. I use J&B and hoppes number 9, and never had a problem.
Great info from people with experience! Kinda disappointed though, I didn't hear any foul words in a different language hahaha! I'll keep listening on the next one's puta's! Hahaha I couldn't help it!
I'm very happy to hear that Jack uses First Choice solvent! Somewhat of a well kept secret here in Canada, though I've heard rumors that Sinclair might start to sell it.
The comment about shooting too hot snd causing carbon buildup was interesting. Are there any cues as to that point other than looking at the throat with a bore scope to see when you reach that point?
Sooo much to take in, I have gone as much as 700 rounds without cleaning and was able to hit steel targets out to 1000 yards.......But when I want tight consistent groups I clean every 40 o 50 rounds. Always a pleasure listing to these discussuions.
