If you think that is great playing, check out the best ever, Niels Henning Orsted-Pederson (NHOP for short) playing with the incomparable Joe Pass on guitar: link:ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Q30bdy5b5-c.html
That's great, but you left out a bunch of stuff, like in what capacity you worked with him, and as robertmarles9665 asked, which 3 records? The only crazy stories I've heard is that he was unpleasant when drinking, and well, he was Killed in a bar fight as far as the story goes. As for him being straight forward and introducing himself as "Worlds greatest Bassist: It's only bragging if it's not true, and I can't stand it when people expect others to be humble, when they have something real to back up any claims. People don't work hard to achieve something, only then to keep silent about their achievements! Of course being a loud mouth with little to nothing to back it up, or being way overconfident in ones ability, is way too common. Jaco backed it up more than sufficiently.
@@Bob-of-Zoid He wasn't killed in a bar fight. Beaten to death by a bouncer after he was refused at the entrance and hit the door with his foot. It would be a bar fight if he fought : he didn't even try. Then if you look for Luc Havan (the guy who killed him), you will see this story is far from being clear : he spent only 4 months in jail then put a nice pile of dollars in real estate business. Something stinks.
@@Ebriel0000000 I wrote: "The only crazy stories I've heard", and the "I've heard" is the important part, which is not a positive claim of knowledge, which you in ill logic seam to believe. Then you yourself insinuate some conspiracy theory that the bouncer who killed him was payed to do it...! Do you always project your way of thinking on others?
This is a most beautiful and extraordinary combination of Bas and drum music.pastorius and Pieter erskine play like they were born together.magnificent
Untrained but alert 18 year old hears that Jaco will be playing at the club next week. Goes alone cause none of his friends want to go see a bass player. Impressionable young mind is amazed at the charisma, tone, dexterity, speed, choice of notes (not pentatonic patterns? What the?), virtuosity, seeing a kit drummer, a steel drummer, a conga player, and various trombone, trumpet, and sax players waiting their turn to go on into the jam. Sense of music changed forever and to this day. Come to find out Jaco is coming back to play again the following week (and many more times). Then the Word of Mouth album comes out. Buys 8:30 album. and Shadows and Light. Mingus. Don Juans Reckless Daughter. Didn’t take a musician to recognize a fresh and different sound.
You named my two prefered musicians. I discovered both in 77 (i was 13 and you can imagine the shock) and there was not a single day from this time where i didn't listen to something they played. We lost Jaco 36 years ago now and Jeff passed away just last year : it's sad... but their music will be always with us.
I saw him play the star spangled banner on the bass as a solo during a weather report concert it was just mind blowing jaco was brilliant a bulb that burned to brightly
The Crown can be very heavy to bear ..:: The Pressures JACO must have had to bear …. Being such a Spectacle …. He was ONE OF A KIND … NO ONE ELSE WAS LIKE JACO NO ONE JAS BEEN LIKE HIM AFTER HE WAS A ROCKET 🚀 WITH NO HOLDS BAR CROWN WAS VEEY HEAVY TO BEAR
This is from the summer of '82 in Toronto, Canada at a place that was called Ontario Place..the stage rotated slowly giving the audience a view of the whole band from different angles,,they always had great bands at this place..I saw the Pat Metheny Group, UZEB and Weather Report with Victor just after he joined (Procession Tour) here..great place and even better memories..
I thought this was from TO '82. My Dad took me to this show when I was a kid. WR opened this show for Buddy Rich Orchestra. Now that's a double bill worth remembering!
For people who are not schooled in sheet music and Jazz/Blues rhythm's, its very hard for them to understand Jaco and what is so good about him.. Hell, even as a kid, I listened at first and was like what the heck is that guy doing!.. A lot of Jaco's stuff is not the most appealing "sounding" to the untrained ear. But dear lord when you finally start grasping what is actually going on.... MIND BLOWN.
Depends. I’ve shown Jaco’s music to people who aren’t that “trained” in music and they understand it enough to know that he was a genius. Others, well I have to explain what’s going on, but despite its complexity, Jaco’s music can be understood well if you just listen closely
Bro, I dont think you need to be trained with sheet music to understand good playing. You just need a good ear and a little love for music. I don’t read sheet music for shit, yet I still enjoy all the greats. If what you say is true then the only people who could enjoy complicated music would be complex musicians, and that is not always true. Peace!
@@richardbelzerbub9579 depends bud.. A LOT of people think Jaco sounds like crap and dont understand him(normies lol).. In my experience, it really takes a pretty trained ear, at the very least, and exposure to some jazz, to at least understand whats going on lol... A lot of people dont even understand Jazz at all, let alone someone like Jaco lol
@JonHop1 I'm a normie and can recognize that he is very talented. At the same time very few of his tunes are appealing to me. Jazz just seems like a bunch of really talented people taking turns doing solos with no rhyme nor reason. So I agree with you.
La musica contiene le stesse "leggi" che sottendono alla vita stessa: sono leggi complesse che esprimono al tempo stesso la meravigliosa e stupefacente semplicità di cui ogni individuo sulla terra può godere. L'uomo, pur essendo un "tutt'uno", cioè "tutto in uno", custodisce in sé percezioni che non si pongono sullo stesso piano: questo ci porta ad ascoltare con il cuore ma a comprendere con la mente. Tutti possono ascoltare e godere delle meraviglie contrappuntistiche di J.S.Bach, come delle geniali invenzioni ritmico-melodiche suonate da Jaco Pastorius, ma su un piano diverso esiste la comprensione e la giusta codifica di ciò che si ascolta. In Italia girano ormai da anni concetti e convinzioni del tutto sbagliati e fuorvianti, come ad esempio quello di associare il significato della parola anglofona "play", dandole il significato di "gioco" e, per errata italiana traduzione, all'approcciarsi alla musica "giocando". Tale concetto può essere valido quando si ha a che fare con un bambino di 3/6 anni, al quale ci troviamo ad insegnare i "primi passi musicali", quindi in modo "giocoso". E comunque, già a quella età, al bambino vanno date opportune indicazioni e regole che, seppure "a suo modo", dovrà seguire per ottenere i suoi piccoli e graduali passi avanti. Ma una volta cresciuti, è bene comprendere (o far comprendere) il prima possibile che la musica non è un gioco ma un importantissimo strumento di crescita spirituale e interiore, che coinvolge ogni piano percettivo dell'individuo. Da sottolineare inoltre la sostanziale differenza tra il suonare in modo libero, accontentandosi di "un buon orecchio" e "un po' di amore per la musica", e scavare dentro se stessi ricercando tutte le nostre più nascoste potenzialità possibili, trovando e provando giovamento dalla conoscenza di quella enorme mole di composizioni che la Storia della Musica ha prodotto e donato all'umanità intera, in oltre 1500 anni. E sono fermamente convinto del fatto che, per ottenere questa conoscenza, non sia sufficiente "un buon orecchio" e "amore per la musica", pur ritenendo importantissime tali qualità. Ma è necessario andare oltre e studiare a fondo i moltissimi aspetti della materia musicale. Va detto che molto dipende dagli obiettivi che ognuno di noi si pone: evitare di impegnarsi a fondo, per anni, seguendo semplicemente il proprio istinto, basandosi solamente su "orecchio e amore", può portare comunque a divertirsi con un gruppo di amici e a suonare bene un determinato genere musicale, che è quello che abbiamo sempre sognato e ci è sempre piaciuto; ma tutto ciò che riguarda la vera conoscenza della musica, attiene a tutt'altro spessore: è una dimensione con la quale si viene a contatto solamente studiando e seguendo un percorso ben delineato, che ha una durata molto più lunga di quella che viene diffusamente "venduta" e pubblicizzata sui social. Il giusto apprendimento è quello fisiologico dell'interiorizzazione , per cui le modalità di studio richiedono i tempi dell' "era pre-computer" molto diverse da quelle di oggi, dove tutto viene presentato in uno spazio di tempo brevissimo, pur essendo il web una conquista straordinaria, ma non sufficiente al fine di maturare una conoscenza musicale profonda e teorico-percettiva. Seguire i cosiddetti "tutorial" dai titoli più ammiccanti e promettenti come "tutta l'armonia in un'ora", "che chitarre usa John Mayall" o "come ottenere il suono di S. Ray Vaughan"...tutti argomenti che, seppure interessanti, mai porteranno a quella conoscenza del completo quadro d'insieme necessario e utile a formare un musicista saldamente strutturato, pronto e preparato a saper suonare i generi più diversi e, non da ultimo, ad ottenere la concreta possibilità di girare il mondo guadagnandosi da vivere con la musica. Di certo non Italia, purtroppo, visto il continuo degenerare della musica fino ad averla portata ai piani più bassi di sola e pura mercificazione.Mi permetto di scrivere queste cose ed offrire la mia esperienza, non per presunzione o manie esibizioniste, ma semplicemente per aver vissuto e "assorbito" in prima persona, molto di ciò che il panorama musicale italiano visse negli anni in cui Jaco Pastorius irruppe sulla scena musicale: a 17 anni ero già alle prese con brani come Birdland, Teen Town, Portrait of Tracy e molti altri, lavorando non solo sulle linee di basso, ma piuttosto accanitamente sulle innovative linee armoniche e accordali che suonava J. Zawinul. A parte questo, ciò che mi sento di dire, è che, sia in quegli anni, sia successivamente, la stragrande maggiore dei musicisti non aveva compreso la profondità e la più intima essenza di ciò che suo ava Pastorius: la maggior parte di loro, all'epoca come ancora oggi, si limitava al suo suono, unico ed inconfondibile suono, alla sua tecnica e al suo altrettanto inconfondibile modo di accompagnare i brani più diversi, ma pochissimi quelli che seppero e sanno intravedere e "intra-sentire", i suoi continui riferimenti a come Bach concepiva il "tessuto musicale interno", più precisamente alle parti interne della partitura che Pastorius aveva ben chiaro nella sua mente nel preciso momento in cui suonava. Ai "cluster" di armonici che spesso usava, portando la mente dell'ascoltatore più attento e preparato, non alla posizioni che con febbrile curiosità andava cercando, ma piuttosto alle armonie dal "sapore esatonale" scritte decenni prima da C. Debussy. Questi i tratti distintivi che, a mio modesto avviso, hanno posto e pongono ancora oggi Jaco Pastorius su un piano del tutto diverso, sia rispetto a chi lo ha preceduto, sia a chi venne dopo. E queste le ragioni per le quali ciò che suona Pastorius non viene recepito da tutti fino in fondo.
People dont get it. He was cheating all along. @1:58 you can see he pushes the sock thing back on his head properly. Its a neutotransmitter bass thingy.
What people fail to understand is that while Jaco often appeared on stage in fairly thin, loose materials, he was actually a devotee of moleskin pants which he wore continuously in his private life. We discussed this one time over breakfast and I’ve been wearing them ever since. My bass playing has benefitted considerably and I also believe that they were instrumental in saving me from Covid. God bless you, Jaco.
That’s Donna Lee! Most humans don’t even understand stuff like that, it’s Parkerism, but to interpret it on the bass is just ‘nice one!’ It’s a throwaway piece of pure genius. What planet were these people from that they threw this stuff out for fun? And I’m still told Parker through Davis and Monk etc ending with Jaco Pastorius didn’t do very much and were in fact bone idle? Nobody worked harder for their music than these people.
Rhythm and timing. He said he got that from years on the road with Wayne Cochran and the C.C Riders, a kind of new-age big band with a lunatic front man who was a stickler, he drilled them like it was military. I believe Pastorius also played a bit with Blood Sweat and Tears, they sounded like a big band at times. This all comes out on the Word of Mouth record. Jaco Pastorius could swing, for sure.
@@marknitro2885 I heard several Bassists rip through Donna Lee, NHOP was doing sliding chords and harmonics in the 60s/70s. I don't think Jaco was losing it, just think he was free of Weather Report and finally allowed to expand his creativity. I think this is a great display of his skillset, just wanted to know "where was he losing it?"
@@BassGod1225 yes you could be right about free of previous band and expanding his creativity. Maybe, it was that that came across as losing it? Sometimes as a player if the vibe/sound/atmosphere doesn't seem right then that can affect your playing. As can trying to think of something to add while keeping true to the piece, due to boredom or repetedness of it sometimes. Or another possibility is health, and or being 'wasted' at the time. I'm only trying to expand on what Joshua may of meant.
@@marknitro2885 Yeah, he was wasted during the majority of his professional career. That's not surprising, especially during that time period. If you're a musician, have you ever been in a band where no members used substances or alcohol? Not saying it's the norm, but it's rare. His playing did deteriorate during the latter stages of his life but on this particular clip, he was in fine form. IMO.
I agree about the wasted side, as like you say most musicians do use/drink. And yes I did once join a band where to my horror, I found out they didn't (hardly) touch anything! In the clip he looked quite well and didn't look wasted there, so as I said prior, maybe other issues behind it like simple tiredness even. Technique wise the fluency thing was also part of his pioneer style so maybe it's too easy to find fault occasionally. For me there were slight delays in his responses going from one position to the next. Maybe that's what Joshua picked up on, because other than that the rest of it was still very good. Ironically it was the technically brilliant bits that made me notice the slight delays between the bits. Either way I prefer and admire players like Jaco who just got on with it and played despite their issues.
The guy was Jaco Pastorius. He is GOAT Bass, or one of at least. He was the one who created the first Fretless bass. He had a mental health condition which contributed to his passing.
