Jacob Collier's Ear? (#1 of 3) Aural Pitch Training. Intermediate, Ear Tuning, Grade 4-5. 

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good idea, stay tuned for next in series

@@superblondeDotOrg but different instruments - don't make it easy

@@linnightl9277 well it's an ear education exercise not a trick test. research articles in psychoacoustics say that piano is the best instrument for ear training compared to stringed instruments probably because of the sharp attack of piano and overtones. Maybe an alternate set of videos with brass could be interesting.

This is my first time ewr training and for lot of notes I couldn't make that they are diff notes. Often times I confused sharp with flat and vice versa.

@@meetshah6870 use the video for practice every day for a few months

"practice practice practice"

Just listen to it in the chord and you’ll really hear it vibrating faster or slower when the notes try to play together

Very hard the 10 cents are already though even going back not real clear....

challenge your musician friends by sharing these as well

yep

Yeah, for this reason, I find it quite idiotic to defend 12edo's poor approximations by claiming that the differences between it and JI are very "small." As you may already know, 12edo/tet/ed2 is especially awful at approximating thirds. I swear that the people who claim higher EDOs like 31, 43, or 53 are pointless because "you can't tell the difference" either simply have a bad ear or primarily listen to atonal music. I find the out-of-tune thirds/sixths and even sevenths to be considerably noticeable in the 12ed2 classical, jazz, and soul that I listen to daily. There's also the idea that higher EDOs have even more of a purpose than better approximating overtones and basic intervals: that they offer more choices of unique intervals, and as a result offer a broader emotional landscape. Some examples of tunings that would be useful for this purpose include 17ed2 and 22ed2. Either way, it's always a breath of fresh air when I hear the recording of a vocal group or even a fretless string player who accounts for intonation on the fly, the latter obviously being the most technically challenging since the former is naturally occurring; the human brain isn't locked into 12ed2 like a computer or fixed pitch instrument. To conclude, I didn't answer incorrectly on any of the challenges in this video. However, I don't think it matters if you got some wrong, for at this level of precision it's barely important to most musicians and doesn't concern one's true musicality. Apologies for the tangent. :)

@@Thomas-yl8lb it is important to be able to pass Level 4 and get 100% overall. It is also very achieveable with periodic practice.

using the first impression for the final answer is best

Congrats. 100% multiple times or just once? Share the exercise to other musicians you know.. it would be good to compare results to see if your peers also get 100%.

if you are being honest about your result, then the conclusion is quite simple: you have the genetics of absolute pitch ("perfect pitch").

I got them all right and I most certainly do NOT have perfect pitch. It just means you have a good ear, and/or good relative pitch.

get 100% on this before continuing into more advanced exercises

@@superblondeDotOrg i don't want to

@@smugscribbles6667 your loss not mine

@@superblondeDotOrg that's ok

yes

1 cent difference: the ultimate test

@@AuriLuve 0.1 Cent!

@@pimvanholst hey hey, not all of us are at jacob level yet

Yes it is planned. And what is your current score, 100% ? If not then intervals are not suitable yet.

@@superblondeDotOrg i m on 100 percent finally since like a week .

excellent to hear it. I hope to get more of these videos up before the end of this summer although they take a good effort to create them.

Coincidentally, most beginning or intermediate vocalists have a tendency to sing flat, not sharp. Even well-known singers have habits of going flat at the end of vocal phrases. This has to do with too much relaxation of muscles, it requires more skill or work to maintain constant pitch or to go sharp. Maybe your ears are more used to identifying pitches which are too flat because the flat is much more frequently encountered.

funnily, I easily identify when a note is sharp (at +- 5 cents level), like it sounds complete different to me, I don't even have to pay attention. But on the flat ones I really had to listen closely to even hear a difference. In the end I failed only two flat's which were two of the first ones where I didn't know that I could hear sharp so much better. So from then on I only listened if it was sharp. If it wasn'T it was probably flat. Really challenging to hear it tho

Same 😂

earmaster, the most common app, does not do this. earmaster is garbage and I absolutely recommend against using earmaster. auralia does this, it is good however a bit expensive and requires cloud connection and the method of quizzing on a rigid schedule of rapidly increasing difficulty for ear training is counterproductive and scientifically invalid. my videos are better because they are hands-free and can be done anywhere anytime, at the listener's own learning rate.

Someone with absolute pitch would get 100% score, first try, with no effort. Repeated practice on this will improve relative pitch and discrimination for others.

I wouldn’t say I have absolute pitch. You can just feel it in your bone if the second note steps up or down and when it gets to the “5cent” range it’s easier to hear it in the chord. That fast swirling of sound vs slower… I think people just don’t know the verbiage so they don’t get it right. I got 100% but I know what sharp and flat means … really don’t think it’s a skill thing

@@superblondeDotOrg Hmm. Absolute pitch is a skill based on long-term tonal memory; this is a pitch discrimination related skill, which is a separate ability. Being able to tell the direction of a 1% Hz difference between two notes 100 percent of the time is not a requisite for absolute pitch. It's certainly a skill that correlates with pitch discrimination ability but someone without absolute pitch could easily do just as well or better here. I have absolute pitch and missed two in the last minute. i.e. it was significantly easier to know the note names rather than the flat/sharp difference near the end.

Still do entire video (all levels) from the start because it is an important warmup and does not take long. If the first levels are super easy then you can do something else, like a rhythm exercise, while still listening and answering correctly. Or speed up the playback rate to 1.25x or 1.5x for the early levels as long as you maintain 100% score. Always wait at least a day before trying again because neuron growth can not be rushed. The real answer is that even after you get 100%, it is still necessary to do this video or an exercise like it from time to time, just like practicing scales on an instrument is necessary to do from time to time. Muscles always need exercising otherwise they atrophy and it is the same for ear skills therefore exercises like this need to be done periodically for the rest of your life. That is the ugly fact that neither professors nor instructors ever admit even if they do know the truth.

@@superblondeDotOrg ok thanks!

there is an advanced video in the works. up soon.

Amazing!

excellent. exactly what this video series was made for. it will likely take several months of practice to build the skills, repeating multiple times per week. it can be learned and will get better over time, like long term memory solidifies. in addition, sing the major scale before this exercise as follows: play the major scale in one hand, in one octave, listening only; then sing the scale, without playing, trying from memory only; then, sing the scale again but one note at a time, each note sing the note first, sustain the singing, then play the note while singing, and adjust singing pitch to match the note, then repeat this for the next note, and so on. this is audiation interval training. this simple exercise is good to repeat several times along with then practicing this video, it is important to use the major scale because all western music is fundamentally based on the intervals of the major scale. other musicians may not grasp the fundamental nature of these exercises because they may have gained these skills when they were very young and simply do not remember having to gain these skills as independent skills, so, they take the skills for granted.

@@superblondeDotOrg Thank you for taking the time to answer and for the valuable advice! I will try to do it like that!

higher pitched notes can be harder to distinguish. practice practice practice. sing scales. top vocalists can distinguish below 5 cents.

maybe try my advanced level video - coming soon...

by the way, do not skip ahead, practice from beginning to end 🤓

​@@superblondeDotOrg No, I am from another video that already has 50 cents up to 10 cents, so I am skipping to the 5 cents because I need to improve in that category.

accuracy beyond 10 cents takes regular practice for most people i.e. 'not perfect pitch people'

the brain has plasticity, anyone can develop this skill even if not genetically gifted with perfect pitch. level 3 is where training starts to be required. it seems many musicians never really undergo proper training. it takes at least a few months of daily practice to go from zero to hero and orchestral musicians spend many hours every day training skills like this one. in addition to this exercise, do singing exercises on major and minor scales at an electric piano to verify each note after the note is sung. 100% score is achievable with practice. as far as "be able to easily identify", for those without perfect pitch, this skill will always take effort & concentration, it gets easier and faster but it is never really "easily" done.

Continue trying more attempts at least every couple days. Even after I scored 100%, I continued to practice this on & off for months and noticed improvements in pitch perception when listening or playing.

Wow I’m impressed! Which instruments do you play?

@@TravelNP Just piano :)

challenge your friends and see how they do .. i wonder if the other musicians you play with have similar result scores

Fascinating! Only 5 cents should give any trouble, the rest are warmup gravy.

@@superblondeDotOrg exactly. it was the 5 cent part that got me LOL

In music lab site, you can check your ear sensitivity until 3.125 cents(1/64 tone) (although they only ask 32 questions and they mix the difficulty)

Dont skip ahead. Run the video from beginning to the end. Just like the instructions say: "Do not skip ahead."

Synesthesia 💭

wait did you get 100% ? Three tries in a row on alternating days of the week ?

@@superblondeDotOrg no this one is my first try. I started messing up at 10 cents. I'm just uncertain whether it's okay to be starting on this video and not on your other easier 12-tET or 12edo videos. But yeah i am trying to get a feel of microtones after all since I am interested in 17edo and 53edo. tl;dr: is it okay to begin my training at this video?

@@Kino-Imsureq aha! 10 cents is where musicianship training starts getting good. yes you can start on this video. follow the instructions keep doing these a few times weekly all the way thru. after some time which could be weeks or months you will consistently get above 95% score and continue to improve from there too. even after scoring 100% you can continue to improve discrimination. those 1% of people with genetic perfect pitch will find it easy to get 100% on this. consider that orchestral musicians who play violin or cello or horn will practice intonation every single day for 20-30 minutes on their instrument, and vocalists practice singing multiple types of scales every day for 1+ hour, these short videos are very simple and focused. hope to have a few new videos on this uploaded soon.

@@superblondeDotOrg lol today my brain started to actually be able to differentiate the 10 and 5 cent notes was such a surprise. Like i could immediately tell if it was sharp or not. Then i would lose focus from excitement and well yeah all my answers would be wrong for a while until i got them right again and again. Really hard to maintain focus haha but yeah it was a cool experience. If i am able to retain focus for the entire 13 minutes then maybe ill get to 100% by the end of the week.

If it allows musicians to score 100% then I would make is Satanic even.

then it is likely that you have genetics of absolute pitch. did you know that before?

Jacob Collier does not need an ear trainer himself.

hope is not lost

did you get 100% already?

@@superblondeDotOrg yes

if you got 100% then the next step would be to practice intonation of octaves, and then intervals, these seem more useful for skill considering the offsets in the tuning system. I dont think I will create a test which focuses on tighter than 5 cents for the same note unless I see something which shows that it is a beneficial skill to drill.

@@superblondeDotOrg is there a test for the stuff you suggested?

@@theodoreshkodrani9450 i will have additional videos with those types of tones up soon. in the next few months. they take a good amount of effort to create.

Jazzers say there are "no wrong notes" in jazz. Therefore jazzers have no reason to be here.

did you get 100% ? do you know what 'intermediate' means?

@@superblondeDotOrg Well yes to both your questions, i failed to notice the "intermediate" part of the title, it was quite easy since i have perfect pitch😬

@@viggen2252 I will have an Advanced quiz set probably next month although perfect pitch genetic freaks likely will still find it easy to get 100%

@@superblondeDotOrg Oh ok nice

How did you do that? Any tips other than practice lol

"practice, practice, practice" try the beginner video as well. this is the intermediate.

The second note is sharp

"" How would they know?? How would anyone know ?? ""

So, if you listen facing backwards to the speakers, then you should get 100%? 😂

sometimes.

What matters is whether your score can reach 100%. How did you do?

@@superblondeDotOrgwell, I did 100%. I guess I'm actually looking for something that'll help me memorize intervals. Still struggling with that stuff.

@@CaesarTF good. For intervals, must : 1 Play and sing the tonic. 2. Audiate (mentally imagine) the interval, no sound (do not hum either). 3. Sing the interval on "Tah", loudly, out loud, optionally singing the moveable Do solfege name, then sustain the note while, 4. Play the interval on piano/keyboard, and, 5. Verify the sung pitch matches the piano sound, adjust pitch to match; if incorrect, repeat the pitch. Repeat step 2-5 for all intervals in the desired scale (always start the day with Ionian). Repeat entire process at least once per day using several different tonics. Make sure to always audiate each pitch first. Do not bother with the advice frequently given by music professors, "memorize a specific song melody with each interval" because published study demonstrates it does not work. Reply back here with result after 2 months.

good job though how about all the other levels?

With daily practice you should be able to get through this video or my other videos in this set with only 1 or 2 wrong. and then get to 100% from there with regular practice. Try with studio headphones.

Yeah i think i will perform better with earphone on, i didn't use it before

that could be interesting if it could improve the results. what is your current score, is it 100%?

You can try my other video which is at Beginner level and see if you get 100% there.

probably a good idea to practice on my beginner video level for a while, maybe a couple weeks, first.

sounds normal. practice, practice, practice!

C O N S P I R A C Y

regular practice is required to improve

how many won a grammy in the last several decades?

@@superblondeDotOrg That’s the wrong question to ask

@@stephenweigel my point is the correct one. try more practice less argue.

if it suits you, as long as you get 100% score.

share the link and challenge others to try

The reality is, orchestral players do this exact exercise on their instrument every single day of their entire lives until the day they die, 7 days a week, 365 days per year, decade after decade. Musicians who take music seriously do this type of exercise, Intonation, regardless of their ear training genetic gifts, and continue to improve throughout their entire lifetime. Every day begins with instrumental warmup of intonation and tuning. The sad joke is on amateur and pop/mainstream musicians/players who believe they can hum or play through a tune once and then go do a gig because they heard some mythology about how punk rock bands or The Beatles did things.

@@superblondeDotOrg What does that have to do with what I said? Why did you think my comment was a reasonable opportunity to shit on pop musicians?

@@bazingacurta2567 you claim "you have no chance to catch up". you are wrong because your claim is irrelevant. orchestral musicians don't care whether or not they have to catch up with anyone. They do their daily intonation and technique practice regardless. Pop musicians do not.

@@superblondeDotOrg I am not wrong. If you're older than four you can't develop perfect pitch. Jacob Collier has perfect pitch, so you will not be able to catch up with him at that. He got lucky, his mother is a professional musician and trained him from a young age, that's why he has it. No amount of work will give you "Jacob Collier's ear". That's not to say you can't develop excellent relative ear and perfect intonation, of course you can, but you can't have the perfect pitch side of a ear like Jacob Collier's, that's what I'm saying. Also, I'm pretty sure pop singers practice intonation. Some of them are excellent at it. Also, Jacob Collier is a pop musician, he has the world's greatest ear and he's never off pitch. Are you one of those people who think that classical music is better than pop music? Wow, that's so 1960, so Pierre Boulez. I'm a classical musician and I think that view is nuts. Anyway, we disagree on some things, but I still like this video, so keep up with the good work man!

@@bazingacurta2567 there is a way for adults to develop absolute pitch skills and synesthesia. research the latest medical journals. i will have a video exercise on developing synesthesia in the future.

ya burnt

@@superblondeDotOrg My mother was making noise, so maybe that was why I failed? It happened when she distracted me as usual.

@@Ivan_1791 use headphones. Retry the practice every other day for 2 weeks at least.

@@superblondeDotOrg Yeah, I didn't use headphones either.

@@Ivan_1791 Do most people do well on these or are you much better than average? I thought I did well until I read the comments.

try the other video on my channel for Beginner level.

day 5?

probably a good idea to practice on my beginner video level for a while, maybe a couple weeks, first.

what monitors do you have?

The important topic is whether the total score is passing, or not yet passing.

do you know what 'intonation' means?