Jacobstown, Marcus, and the Nightkin Problem - Fallout New Vegas Lore 

The first time I met Lily, I was confused. My courier's name was "Jimmy Diamonds" , and when she said "Little Jimmy?" I was all "how's this crazy old lady know my name?"

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Jacobstown was criminally underdeveloped. It's such a gorgeous area, it features one of the nicest Super Mutants in the whole franchise, and yet there are only 2,5 quests that actually have to do with Jacobstown. If only there were more quests there it would be perfect. And as it is it's half-perfect.

Imagine being that one fool that named his character jimmy

Hearing normal voices from super mutants is so freakin' weird after playing a bunch of FO4 and without doing too much FNV or FO3. I am so used to the grunt/shouting gruff tone.

Remember, Speech is always a crucial stat to lvl.

I love that they brought back Michael Dorn to play Marcus. That was a nice touch. Lily ranks as my third favorite Companion. (Boone and Arcade are the first two.) I love how loving, protective and sweet she is to the Courier. Her story is the most tragic to me of all the companions. She has a similar problem of needing something to hold onto in order to have an identity outside of the Master. Dog/God is split into a need for outside guidance and the desire to forge his own identity. Tabatha has Rhonda and Davidson has his Brahmin skull, Antler who they look to for guidance. They're both lost without them. Lily has Leo. But Lily doesn't hope to be human again or that the Master will come back. She just wants to remember her family. It's the one remaining memory of her life where she wasn't a part of the Master's Army. It's a strong part of her identity. No matter what you advise her to do, Lily loses an important part of herself.

I love how with some mutants like Lily it caused them to speak with both the upper and lower vocal chords giving them that devil incarnate way of speaking.

Wish there was an option to make a supermutant army for the dam battle

Norton's idle dialogue really shows the detail Obsidian put in, even if some areas are lacking, I thought it was a nice touch. "Its so much cooler up here, I love it." That line makes me smile for some reason, I love it.

Much like the emptiness in the Strip, the missing Legion quests, the 2-3 quests in Jacobs Town even though it's its own area, Bethesda reallllyyy didn't give Obsidian enough time to expand. We can only hope Fallout Frontier and Fallout New California fills in the gaps.

"...a man's got needs" *Ad with really innocent happy music starts playing*

I have schizophrenia. The nightkin quest line struck deep with me, because I felt/feel a similar feeling that nightkin do. I'm constantly paranoid, and I have a very hard trusting anyone. I don't like being stared at because it makes me feel like a freak. But with the right meds I find things manageable. Anyway great video Ox, I was excited when you started NV specifically for you to cover Jacobstown

I like how Marcus correctly pronounce "Caesar"

*PERFECT SPOT FOR A NIGHTKIN SETTLEMENT*

' 15:07 ' I swear I thought Calamity said she "mates" for supplies, I'd find that quite impressive if she found someone willing to constantly pay to sleep with a ghoul, especially one so very old

I remember watching my own dad go through extreme schizophrenia before taking his life in October 2012. He was fine up until early 2012, then just went crazy. Seeing cameras lights, thinking people were sitting outside talking about him, even beat the holy shit out of me once when he accused me of helping the government get info about him. Playing the missions involving the Nightkin has always made me feel bad knowing dad was somewhat like that.

Visited Mt. Charleston a couple years ago when I visited Las Vegas, It was one of the prettiest places I've ever been. It was amazing to visit all these locations I explored in New Vegas in real life.

Marcus has some good voice acting. I like when super mutants don't sound like idiots

Holy crap Marcus is the same Marcus from Fallout two

Me being a fallout 3 player and how the supermutants sound in that game, Marcus's voice sounds amazing compared to fo3s supermutants.

The quote is from Athenian general Thucydides stating: "We hope that you, instead of thinking to influence us by saying that you did not join the Lacedaemonians [Spartans], although their colonists, or that you have done us no wrong, will aim at what is feasible, holding in view the real sentiments of us both; since you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while *the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must*."

Ok. How the fuck are you able to make 6 videos a week with this quality? are you working in some kind of hyperbolic time chamber or what?

"And once we leave the bungalow, we see snow" NCR Troop: Wait, nuclear winter?

I always loved Lily. My thoughts are that if she wants to, she should be allowed to. She may have schizophrenia, but somewhere in her mind, it is possible that she knows what will happen to her from the experiments. I always go for the Science check though.

Wow. Just yesterday I was playing through the Black Mountain quests in NV & thought "I hope Oxhorn does a video on Jacobstown and Lily soon!" He knows....

One of the few things I disliked about New Vegas was the fact that there weren't enough Super Mutant/Nightkin quest to make it feel like they've actually established an existence in the Mojave.

I thought when the older supper mutants get older they would grow like how behemoths are.

HEY THERE PUMPKIN, WANNA BAKE COOKIES WITH GRANDMA?

oxhorn I chose to let Lily wear the stealth boy to speed up the results in my first play through. In my second play i put on the followers of the apocalypse lab coat and a programmers digest to get my science high enough to pass the science check. Both options felt good to me. Because you can negate some of the side effects based on the choices you can make in Lily' s companion quest. Loved the video. Also I think Davidson and antler from the repconn test site may have come from Jacobstown. Marcus did say some nightkin left a little while ago.

I love lilly she is best companion also i think lilly was a grandma

_In the lodge_ Daughter: "Mom.. there's a man outside, looking for a way in. I think it's the same one who went by yesterday" Mother: "Omg. This is it, he might be just what we need to get us out of this horrible situation" Daughter: "Are you sure about this, Mom? I'm not sure it's a good idea. What if he's not--" Mother: "Honey, we have no choice. The world outside is in chaos, there're wild animals, irradiated monsters, looters... We can't risk going out there by ourselves, we need him" _Daughter takes a deep breath and nods_ "All right, I'll open the door for him. Just... be ready" _Mother closes her hands around the hilt of her axe_ "He'll last us a few weeks if we're smart with our portions. This one looks well fed compared to the last one"

I bet the bunker man found the girls in the bungalow one of them agreed however only if he beat them in a hand of Poker he cheated and the girl shot him

The water is HIGHLY irradiated dealing 1 rads per second

I think, with you to guide and protect (and possibly stop) her--and not to mention Lily's willingness--that Lily continuing to use the Stealth Boy Mk.2 is an acceptable risk. Beneath the forgetfulness and the violence egged on by "Leo", Lily always struck me as a good person who does truly want to help those in need, and since the people in question are her own kin (pun unapologetically intended), to her, there is no reason not to be the subject of the experiment, and that's a position I can respect.

There is a good chance that no one who reads this will get the rather obscure reference, but the relationship between the super mutants and their "imaginary friends" (those that have them) reminds me of Argel Tal and Raum. It also reminds me of Harold and Bob, except Bob had its own physical form growing off Harold.

Pretty amazing how Marcus was around during the time of The Master and now sees Caesar's Legion encroaching on the Mojave. I wonder what OG Fallout 2 fans felt when first playing New Vegas and seeing Marcus once again being a mayor

Waiting for oxhorn to do the full story of the divide is worst then waiting for Christmas morning. Its gonna be great😂😂😂

Watching this at 1am over here in Australia, by far Oxhorn is my favourite RU-vidr, keep up the great work!

If there's no other alternative, I think experimenting on Lily is ultimately the better(ish) outcome. Not only does she volunteer for it, addled though she may be, it's the adage of the needs of the many > needs of the few.

"There are five bungalos most of which are borded up, and ruined but there are three that we can explore" Oxhorn I'm afraid you might be losing it.

I wish there was an option to hug Marcus when growing up he was one of my favorite characters ah childhood😌

Odd as it might seem Lilly despite how she looks is a lady a really class lady. Moreover she has a VERY Strong Motherly instinct. You learn that Lilly is a very giving protective motherly sort if you have her as a companion. I choose Lilly as a companion and grew to love how she sort of took me under her wing as her own family. It literally breaks my heart to do it but I would allow Lilly to continue doing the doctors experiments not because; I think Lilly is expendable or less worthy than any human. I think it is in Lilly's true nature to help, defend and look out for those who suffer as the Nightkin do. I don't think Lilly fears death or disability the way most humans do. I think Lilly knows that her suffering will be the salvation of all those nightkin suffering with mental illness due to stealth boys. I think the developers of the game missed a truly awesome moment to touch the hearts of the gamers. I think if Lilly's sacrifice resulted in a cure being found for the Nightkin there should have been a statue erected in her honor at the Town's Center and all the Nightkin wear a badge or something commemorating her unselfish act. I just think that would have added class to the ending in addition to the survival and prosperity of the town. I know it is sappy but I really grew to love having Lilly as a companion she was an awesome lady! She made a great companion for an autistic werewolf!

Oxhorn, you are a blessing and a bad ass. You revealing the in-depth, meticulous knowledge of the Fallout realm and your intellectual points of view gives crazed fanatics like me a heavier passion toward the franchise and a firmer understanding of the lore. Thank you for your commitment and hard work. Keep it up, brother!

Hello Oxhorn! I just wanted to say thank you for going in-depth around 29:40. I love the fact that you go in-depth on these sort of topics and share your own opinion. I have particularly high anxiety myself due to my autism. Fallout NV is my most favorite Fallout because is has moments like these. Where it makes you think into real world situations like this. Your series on Fallout NV is my most favorite, so I just wanted to thank you Oxhorn for sharing some things some of your community would never have given a thought to.

I know it’s an old video, but I do love it when you read the responses as if you are actually conversing with the NPC. makes the whole story more real

Oxhorn I just want you to know these videos make my day even when I'm in a bad mood so thank you it's good to see this channel growing

"Dat give Bender five kings." "I don't believe it! It's the King of Beers, a coaster that accidentally got shuffled into the deck! And it still counts!" - 7:45

I don't think people fully appreciate that this video is almost 1HOUR LONG!!!!.

39:18 That's a hulk reference if I've ever seen one.

I never knew about the bunker in the nightstalker cave. But we can see how that mindset would be all to common after an apocalypse. That's how raiders got started after all. I wish Jacobstown was a little more lively and town like. Multiple vendors, maybe a bar or something like that instead of just a mutant bunk house. Maybe it could improve after you finish the quest and return after a while, so you can see the town improve instead of just being told about it. I think letting Lily continue the experiments is the moral choice, though when I did it I had the high science to avoid making that decision. While she may be confused and probably suffer from some dementia where she confuses people for her grandchildren, it does seem a fairly mild case and she is aware of what is being asked of her. I feel she is very much mentally competent enough to understand what is being asked, what the risks and likely outcome is and fully able to make that informed decision. And she choose the route of nobility, putting her own life on the line to help others. I think in the end, it is her decision that should be honored.

Gotta admit, I think out of all the characters besides Boone and Victoria, I like talking with Marcus the most. He provides an interesting and very eloquent perspective of a super mutant, a mayor, a leader, it’s just so neat. We get to know more about what was happening before the events of Fallout 2, with our Chosen One, and… it just makes it so much more interesting. He’s a man of the people, he is a good man, and he is forthcoming, it’s funny. Plus his voice is soothing.

Does Marcus look a bit like Ron Pearlman or is it just me?

I’m not speced into melee at all on my character, but I only use Oh Baby! because it’s just so good, and it’s fun to use.

Nightkin are over sized smurfs

Marcus, Joshua Graham, and Ulysses all have very soothing voices :P

Stealthboys cause schizophrenia then I'm glad my character relies on her naturally honed stealth.

I’ve seen this video time and time again, it’s one of my favourites. And tonight something dawned on me when Marcus talked about his friend Jacob and that they fought for days but were an equal match and afterwards became friends. The Jacob from the Bible fought with an man/angel for a time and at one point the man/angel gives up and blesses Jacob. Couldn’t help but notice the parallel between these two stories.

I actually really like Jacobstown It’s people the atmosphere despite never playing the first two games I love Marcus as a character and I like the goal he set out to do for his own people

Oxhorn adds so much to these places when he talks about them. I've always liked the way he'll expand upon the player's dialogue options, just to make the conversations feel realer!

Michael Dorn up in this place.

God, I heard this Marcus's voice and it brought me back to Fallout 2's Marcus. They must've hired the same voice actor. I'm glad they didn't change.

Wonderful finally some smart super mutants

This one of my favorite stories I suffer from social anxiety and it all just hits close I’ve spent countless hours with Marcus and the group they make me feel at home

Oxhorn you should do a video onPresident eden from fallout 3 or a video on the enclave faction in general

personaly i think this plae has some wasted potential there should be a way to set up a truse between the mutants and the NCR that way you could have a couple of mutants fighting by your side at the dam

Marcus's origin story is loosely based on Kahless the Unforgettable from star trek.... Kahless fought his brother for 7 days until he killed him.... Shortly after he unified the Klingons and founded First City..... And there was peace for a time.

Man you deserve all the growth I can go back to one of your new vegas videos and still find it entertaining you show all the possible options and outcomes love it 100/10

Oxhorn what would you think about a prewar game set in the fallout universe? Not a full fallout game of course, different title, different game style, but in the same universe. It'd be a way for Bethesda to further flesh out the lore and show players some of the events leading up to the war. Alternatively, a game almost like fallout shelter, but you play as vault tec, using the vaults to do insidious things to the dwellers to see what happens. Creating vaults with unique ways of testing. Anyway that's just my little idea. What do you think?

25:33 ngl this was pretty smooth oxhorn you took all caps and insteas of giving them you just killed the mercs lol

Lily: BUT IS IT LORE-FRIENDLY, JIMMY?!?!!! And Keene isn't too keen to meet you XDDD

I cant even imagine marcus being in the super mutant army with his voice 😂 "GGRAAAH STUPID HUMANS!"

Hey oxhorn just letting you know your narration is amazing I work uber and in my down time I listen to your videos when I can't get rides lol

I can't believe I literally just watched all of this. Great video man!

So the Nightkin are basically in rehab lol

love that you included the different endings.

Calamity's voice actor sounds like she has stage 9 lung cancer.

Thanks for doing this video oxhorn I asked for this a couple of months ago

i have anxiety, i cant stand large crowds (like a mall) i feel very uneasy and nausious when i do go to one

You're the only RU-vidr I watch that I don't groan when ads come on, you make quality content and I know the ads are your paycheck

Did you say... “Muhlee” weapon?

Nothing beats replaying a quest line in New Vegas and then watching Oxhorn's video about it afterwards.

Love your videos man.... love watching them... keep up the good work

Hey, Oxhorn. I recently went back on fallout as my life got a bit shit lately, I went back to Fallout after not playing it for like a year and came across your account a few days ago. Your videos are amazing, full of info and lore I've never known and answers to questions I ask myself while playing the games are now answered. It makes me love the game even more. Keep doing what you're doing dude 👍

Sounds so weird the way you pronounce ED-E. I've always said each letter separately, not sure why. Also, look at Dr. Henry's hand at 38:57 Creepy.

I skipped ahead at just the right time and heard "Super Mucus"

In my first play through. I didn't past the 90 science check. I actually thought on it a bit, and I choose to let the prodject continue. I understand what can happen to Lily, but here is my reasoning. One: Lily made the choice. She choose to keep going. She choose wear it. Two: Lily, while a important mutant, is just one mutant. True she won't be the same, and will suffer, but.... Three: She could be a hero to the Nightkin kind. Her sacrifice means her race while become cured of thier mental pain. Lily is a grandma, and quite possibly she could see other Nightkin as her grandkids. And as such, Lily is helping her grandkids to a better future.

Marcus also worked with Harold, Herbert/ Bob, and Jacob to found Broken Hills.

Norton’s a nice Mercenary compared to many others.

38:00 "Possibly immediate and permanent *METAL* damage."

Fallout New Vegas was my first and favorite fallout game. Watch these videos to remember how solid and vast the dialogue was compared to Fallout 4..

Dammit. Every time you make a new video about New Vegas, I have to go play it.

Your voice is so soothing

Patrolling the mojave almost makes you wish for a trip to jacobstown

Man I know how the Nightkin feel. I have anxiety and it gets hard for me. I get nervous over the smallest of things and sometimes it gets really bad. I'm starting to get better but I know it's going to be a long road for me. Nightkin, like you said, are basically going through this but a lot worse. Kind of makes me wish I could help them but I don't play this game.

Lily's story always made me cry a bit, she's so sweet and she only wants to help the courier and her folk. One of the very few nice hearts in the Mojave

can you do videos on the original fallout games i also love your content i loved watching your pitt series it was really interesting

Norton is kind of a rare sight in Fallout; an honest mercenary. "Hey, a jobs a job. We don't really care but its the job. If you want to pay us, we will leave. Woah, you are actually someone important? Look, we're just mercs; have a nice day." It's nice to see someone not be evil or horrible, just doing a job.

OMG im watching this and i was on cityskylines mod page and found a fallout new vegas map! :)

If memory serves, super mutants age much more slowly, like ghouls, they somewhat explained this to us in Fallout2, if I remember right. I don't think they live as long as ghouls, but much longer than humans. Lilly may have had grandkids before she was changed, but like many old people, she confuses people with them. But with her, it could be either dementia, Alzheimer's, or a combination of the two, hard to say. It is not completely guilt free, you did still have to have Lily wear the mark II for a bit, and that still affected her a bit...