I failed to mention that the AoE of her altfire itself ignores LoS and goes through walls, and has 0% falloff. About pre-nerf Dante. Dante is restricted by needing to actually be present where he places marks, and also be present in the general area he casts Tragedy in. Jade does not have this limitation. She can kite everything and kill it from a distance at Base SP, which is where most people play. She can even kill Acolytes easily, which is something Dante actually has minor difficulty with without resorting to weapons. Dante needs to press 3 buttons to nuke, Jade needs to press 2. When the enemy only has a few hundred thousand health, it does not matter that Dante can hit a few for 100s of millions, or a relatively decent sized group for millions, when Jade can still deal the several hundred thousand at range, through walls, from anywhere, at a much larger and spammable rate than Dante can. Dante shines best in endurance, Jade does decent in endurance, but she is significantly better at nuking at Base SP. - *TIMESTAMPS* I'm on Twitch too now! See me live at: www.twitch.tv/aznvasions NEW Gun CO Spreadsheet: tinyurl.com/GunCOv2 0:00 Intro & Context 0:18 My Guess 0:37 Why Many Jade Builds Suck. 1:03 Point 1 | Energy Economy 2:05 Point 1 | Drain & Cast Costs 3:55 Point 2 | Range 4:24 Point 3 | Secondary Outburst vs Combat Discipline/Avenger 5:11 Point 4 | Modding Glory Altfire 6:00 Point 5 | Duration 7:08 Point 6 | Survivability 8:00 Glory Modding Changes In Future 8:22 My Issues with Glory 8:39 My Original Video 8:59 Mission Showcase (No Augmented, No Outburst, No Armor Strip) 10:04 I'm Nerfing My Build Here, Without Energy To Compensate. 10:38 Comparisons
This game makes me laugh sometimes. When talking about power levels between frames: “Dante needs to press 3 buttons to nuke, Jade needs to press 2”. You aren’t wrong.
@@xxapoloxx The PRIMARY FIRE, the part that shoots out projectiles, is affected by multishot but the ALT-FIRE, the part that detonates targets marked by the first ability or the primary fire, is not.
I know this has nothing to do with the video but I found a synergy with arcane melee affliction and voruna's 2. It looks like a feature. Apply the two (multiple times idk which status causes it and the effect is temperamental) while cloaled before meleeing the enemy. Enemies the two spreads to almost instantly die. I used a standard viral slash bane on harmony with melee elementalist. Just wanted to bring this to your attention for a possible build. Thanks a lot, your build vids are the best.
It blows my mind how bad most warframe players are. Like most of this game is either well documented or easy to test on your own, but people keep saying verifiably wrong stuff all the time with such confidence. I seriously would love to know what the average warframe player's age is, ain't no way it's higher than 13, I refuse to believe adults could be this dumb.
@@fran11390 it's a f2p game on all platforms powercrept and trivialized the past 4 years to the point a monkey could play it at peak efficiency. Of course this attracts a very... "special" playerbase.
Been playing since 2014 and I still HATE how little is actually explained when concerning builds. I have dropped the game recently in the past year because I'm just so sick of having to look up RU-vid videos or scour Wiki pages for information that should be provided in some basic form. I'm one of those people and yes I'm mad lol.
I'm getting tired with the power creep part. It's like every new Warframe released has to nuke harder than the last. Hell, I'm back to playing Equinox because I, at least, have to "work" for it, but even she still trivializes content. Any new weapon that isn't incarnon is either trash or simply subpar. The grinds suck now since loot frames can't do the big loot stuff; it's all tied to final mission reward and ascension is just another lame defense mission. In regards to the rant, I seriously can't believe most players haven't caught on to how easy this game is now. Newbies are excluded since the intro is still ass, but those 6 months+ should be ashamed
"This strategy I'm using doesn't work because problem X." "Have you done anything to alleviate problem X?" "Nah it's just a permanent problem." So is brain damage.
@@kevinkerwin4118 sometimes modding space is weird. I can eliminate one problem, but then i have a new one. That usually results in 2 builds though. They probably didnt even get that far
@@undeadinside3571 Well it's more a matter of feasibility. If modding for maximum range puts you in a position where you're weakened, find that balance. People are too accustomed to having everything they want at once that they don't consider making sacrifices to guarantee a compromise.
@@matowakan true, but its so hard to min max a frame that wants moat of everything. Protea for example. She likes strength and duration. Only needs a little range (just stretch. Easy enough) and doesnt need efficiency at all. 45% is fine because of dispensary / equillibrium. Only really needing 2 things is easy Jade needs those plus efficiency
I was laughing so hard thinking at the end he should say, "you stupid SOB's, could you just shut the ... up! At the end if you could please leave me a like so I I can continue to rip you a new one I would really appreciate it" I really don't think that whoever he's talking to is sticking around for an encore. But, I certainly could be wrong
This is the result of an extremely casual focused player base, when theres some semblance of critical building required, we end up in a scenario like this.
To be fair.... The game doesn't explain what Quadratic Scaling is nor do I think it's appropriate for it to have anything that Functions that way. Being Casual is Fine.... There's nothing wrong with Warframe being Designed for Casuals.... Being a Moron is something else All together 👀
I don’t usually comment on gameplay-related videos, but I wanted you to know that your Jade builds have worked excellently for me and I’m having an absolute blast with her because of them. Keep on doin what you’re doin, duder 💜
@@Aznvasionsbro, i think you are really good at what you do, not on the level of dystopia bs (if you know you know), but one of the best for this, mainly because i can get every build you make, use it and be effective with it
"There are people telling me she sucks, or that she's unusable." There is no shot someone who played her said that. I cannot believe that. It's impossible. HOW does someone come to that conclusion??
Primarily because either they follow a 45% or 100% Eff build without realizing the limitations or requirements needed to make it work, or they mod her 4 assuming it works like a normal weapon and filling it up with stuff that does absolutely nothing for her altfire. Then trying to use her altfire and saying it sucks.
Day 1 of Jade Shadows, one guy in region chat goes "how is Jade?" when I bought her and built her day one, others went "I heard she's kinda underwhelming" and that was probably the most hilarious thing ever
Even on my extremely basic build I've been using to get a feel for her, which has 156% Duration, 145% Efficiency, 100% Range, and 223% Strength, with Energize and Barrier for Arcanes, I was having absolutely no issues. Actually, I lied. I had issues with her ult's damage at first, but I that's because I forgot to Mod it. Once I slapped Mods on Glory she felt super good. Do I think she is as "broken" as Dante on release? No, but her ability to nuke anything from anywhere on repeat at the press of a button is NOT unplayable. Honestly, I was hoping she was less of a killer and more of a support, lol.
I said the same thing!! You have to be TERRIBLE at the game to think that. She has two forma slots! TWO! LOL that alone basically makes her OP in the best way.
This back and forth is healthy for a frame, and I'd say it should be kept that way. We don't need people saying a frame is garbage when they clearly can't listen, and we don't need people saying a frame is OP because we all know her playstyle is not for everybody and clearly has some serious downsides. We need to push for the happy medium, and if ignorance necessitates that, so be it
for those of you running 175 efficiency btw, please dont use Streamline + Fleeting unless you got something with negative Efficiency. Boreals Hatred gives you 15% efficiency + 65% shield max + 20% damage reduction while airborne (which you'll be as you fly). this with Fleeting gives you the exact same efficiency which is cap
this is only true on fire-and-forget ability. On channeling ability since the negative duration will not be easily fixable with Primed Continuty especially if you use Transient Fortitude as well. Using both Fleeting Expertise + Transient Fortitude + Prime Continuty + Boreal Hatred will result in 67.5% duration and at 175% efficiency, you end up with 37% ability cost (which is 50% more from 25% minimal-cap ability cost. To fix 67.5% duration, you either need 190% efficiency, or you bring Molt Efficiency to bring duration up.
@@siri7005 I missed that part thanks for the clarification, but even so imo the extra shields and damage reduction from Boreals is much more valuable imo for the loss of 15% efficiency on duration. after all the cost itself of casting and detonatin your 4 doesn't change. you're probably losing like 0.5?? energy drain but gaining much more comfort for survivability.
That's perfectly fine if you can make it work. I have people complaining on 45 Eff and 100 Eff builds saying they have 0 energy, when they could just migrate to 175 Eff to fix the problem.
@@Aznvasions I run her on 60% effi (rank 7 blind rage) to shield gate with her 1 and her alt fire energy consumption (catalyzing shields + brief respite + 4 augur mods) - duplex bond, verglas, 2 effectiveness on energy orb tau shards and energize keep her energy bar at 80%+ most of the time. making her alt fire consume energy was actually a really nice decision on the dev part because you don't have to spam a useless ability but can deal damage while surviving on shield gate. Total stats without arcane or operator buffs: 199% duration 60% efficiency 214% range 181% strength< Btw did you try to mod her exalted for slash damage yet? Because I'm seeing slash procs from time to time.
I experimented with multiple setups and what i landed on that works really well for me is 130% efficiency with equilibrium and primed flow. The primed flow is mostly for comfort but not really necessary, plus i dont really have something i would wanna put in that slot There's very few frames i feel can comfortably run 45% efficiency without having to stack basically every energy economy thing, and more often than not even when you do that you're losing far more than you're gaining just to have that much power strength
Most players just have skill issues and only wana press 2 buttons and kill everything and call themselves op but when it comes to actually making a good build and using some brain cells to play they call it trash not good
that about warframe abilities, u'd be surprised if I tell u that I once met a Legendary 3 that doesn't even understand how multishot n galv apt/shot/savvy works it's just.... wow
@@FlashesSoccer011 yeah it’s not great being a horde game all you gotta do is deal a lot of dmg kill a lot of enemies and fast There’s no need to know the mechanics of the game it’s sad really
@whysoserious4274 I agree. I love warframe, but it will never be a very mechanic heavy game. The only real challenge is the enemy does more damage, or has more armor. I agree, it's sad.
Azn’s disappointed dad moment. But seriously tho, i like how if it takes more than 2 buttons to kill a whole room and doesnt hit for colorful billions the avg smoothbrain wf player’s automatic response is “it’s trash.”
If any of those morons went to the first days of the game they'd realize that people back then actually had to work together 😆 Imagine no Energize, no helminth abilities, no armor stripping, no extra revives for maxed arcanes, no arcanes period, SELF DAMAGE, none of that
In defense of the haters, you did have primed fulmination in your first alt fire build, in your video (you may have mentioned it somewhere in the comments later, but I never saw it, like others probably didn't)
I apologize and clarify that wasn't supposed to be there. I didn't even realize that was the case. I tried to replace the footage I had at the time, so I'm guessing that one snuck through the cracks.
It doesn't help that knightmareframe made a jade video that stressed that fulmination does effect it. So I'm guessing that misinformation got pretty widespread
Well I use a Dethcube with Energy Generator and Seismic Bond as my main companion anyway. Free efficiency for all of the duration of Glory, because it's a channeled ability. It feels nice.
With only 3 needing duration and other abilities working with base duration just fine, pillage is incredibly good instead of her 3. Provided you run 76 duration, you can insta strip with str boost from 2 and gain overshields for survivability in mere seconds. With 200+ range you hit in around 30+ meters radius. Used it myself, works wonderfully.
The problem for build crafting for me is that most of these nuke build utilize things that I haven’t gotten around to yet or I don’t have the ability to readily grab them, so instead I have to make some Frankenstein amalgamation with what I have. Though it is kinda fun to test things out to see what works and what doesn’t and then look forward to when I am able to get my hands on those extra means
personally i think most people aren't used to playing a more active frame like jade. dante, even though he needs more inputs to nuke, has generous s and tremendous and continuous overguard regen, debuff and support via his book. hes the full package and is very difficult to die as, jade enjoys no such luxuries, so to survive you have to zone properly with your 1 casts, maintain energy to keep ophanim eyes up and preferably use her ability strength aura to boost alt fire so it can scale better. overall shes harder to use than dante and i think thats what people are finding contention with in your previous video. not that i personally care though, jade is good but volt with dual ichor influence or several variations of nezha currently outperform both jade and dante in base sp.
Yeah I agree, but honestly I think designs like jade and Dante are way more healthy for the game, you should have to put in some effort to see these results. Frames that can just spam one button and nuke the whole map should be a quirk of old frames, new frames imo should need to have more thought and intricacies in their kit to be able to do that. The end result is that you have a unique gameplay loop that differentiates itself from one button spammers but still see similar results. If people want to mindlessly spam a nuke then there’s tons of frames that can do that already.
As someone who's been playing jade alot recently, all I got out of this is that they are going to make her alt fire scale with base damage. Thats nice. I love jade
I watched your video on Jade when she came out, and it was very enlightening to understand the nuances of her alt fire versus primary fire in her ultimate. I was able to come up with a build that I really enjoyed, and I think she's an incredibly strong frame. I'm just hoping she won't get nerfed…
It’s sad that most players that are copy and paste build users and still can’t get it right 🤦🏽♂️ if they take the time and learn mechanics and how this and that works instead of “copy this and copy that” they’ll know exactly how to build. Definitely skill issue
main problem is not the players, it is warframe for not giving all the info when modding. for example, nowhere is shown how much damage reduction she has in her 4th when using aviator. nowhere is shown how the dmg on a weapon is calculated. you cannot blame the players for not knowing something when they are not given the info.
I'm sorry, but you can't blame the game when it still gives you the info (read: energy costs going up when you have less than 100% efficiency), you choose to ignore it, you mash buttons and realize like three seconds later than you blew your energy away mindlessly Even worse if you blame a builder that has given you plenty of alternatives when you can also adapt it for your own use, not to mention that builds are NOT absolute, you do NOT have to copypasta them and fully expect them to work without understanding how they work
You're having the same joker moment about people calling Jade bad that I had about the same situation with Dante, people acting like morons and making it the game's problem. Been there.
I had so much respect for old players when I first started playing, I thought how complicated Warframe is and it must be so cool to understand how mods work, I watched “cool” RU-vidrs who made unreal builds and I thought “wow this mod is so beautiful when Will I have these? It’s probably a disappointment that at rank 25 I understand that all of these were just cringe builds for fun, and the community uses the same build for any frame. Then I started watching how 25 MR teammates failed the defense at Arbitration, failed the hunt for Eidolons, complained that the farming index was too complicated, and void cascades were too confusing. Now I still think maybe I’m stupid and doing something wrong, I can’t believe the sterility of this community
Those are the “new” veterans. Most of those players where the MR10-16 who complained when you taught them how to play the game. MR doesn’t mean anything. The new vets don’t know shit
I've been playing since loki was a starter and I can Objectively say she's EPIC. DE nailed the Feeling of Divinity, she's a tank and an aggressive frame AND a support she's also SUPER diverse with two aura slots. How Anyone could think she's bad is BAFFLING.
And you can tell, especially with how the game has evolved over the years, older players like you have had the chance to play a game with only a tenth of the good stuff that we have today Those fools that think she's bad don't know what you've been through
@@toblerone1729 True but honestly its always in hindsight, cause at that time it felt amazing. And since then they have evolved in a way none of us imagined. But you definitely have a point starting from that time long ago, really does make me appreciate where DE is now and all the cool new frames and toys. Lol ill admit some of the new players are a little bit Spoiled 🤣🤭🤫
I really wanted to get her but I had no idea what to think because of all the hate. I saw a comment literally saying that if you are a content creator and say Jade is good "you are affecting the community", I don't understand what people want at this point. Maybe an unkillable autosustainable frame, capable of nuking, with a full cc kit with crazy aoe capabilities that just needs 1 button to delete an entire room but has to be fun at the same time lol. If it's not Saryn or Revenant then is trash for them. After watching your video, I think I will definitely go for her
You know… I’ve been watching you for a long time, two years I think. I have to say, I preferred this video with all its raw, unpolished edges more than the usual ultra polished presentations. As a result, you’ve convinced me to give Jade another try and I’ll go watch your main video too. I think I’ll still prefer Dante but we’ll see 😊
This is why we cant have hard content, people just want to no brain everything. This is why revenant is the most played warframe, cuz its op without having to use brain. People just want to revenant torid kill thing and when something requires more setup they call it bad
I've noticed that she feels more comfortable to play with mods like Aviator and Adaptation. When I don't want to use Arcane Aegis, it frees up space for better arcanes like Arcane Velocity or any other arcane that boosts my DPS. However, in my experience, her flight mode can be a bit janky. It seems like moving causes a slight delay in firing her exalted weapon. Would be really nice if we could use our weapons in flight or at least just a secondary. No I don't think that would be busted 🤭 especially w sentient surge ocucor and her free armor strip👌
Another thing Note worthy which I assume you're probably aware of, but might be interesting for anyone else reading. in regards to Survivability the sentinel Shade(doesn't matter which version) has a Precept Mod called Ghost which will literally make you go invisible when within 24m of an enemy Which normally wouldn't be all that great, but here's the catch your 1st ability and your altfire do not break that stealth, meaning you're fully capable of staying permanently cloaked while using your full nuke rotation, over and over. the stealth only breaking once there's no enemies within 24m of you. effectively making you immortal even at level cap content 👍
Ive run out of energy on Jade because i suck at paying attention Thats it. I've had zero problems with her energy economy. Im absolutely loving the frame. Im using your builds and a couple I tweaked for fun to try out. Shes in a good place. My only real issue with her is a me issue and that's running the lower duration builds and juggling which aura is up if I'm using weapons or her primary fire. Thats it Shes fun
A few thoughts from messing with and adjusting Jade over the course of the update: -Archon Intensify does work in Simulacrum, but not in actual missions, so it's likely a bug that will get fixed. -Archon Vitality does add 2 stacks of heat proc per second for her 1 and 3; IMO this is an auto-include on all builds. -Like any frame with a channeled ability, Arcane Energize is a great choice for helping with her economy. It's not a bad idea to swap Fleeting Expertise for Streamline and use those Archon Shards for other things -Archon Topaz does affect her Glory just like it would Mesa's Peacekeepers.
I've been playing WF now for over 5 years, and I have come to truly enjoy Jade to the point I want to use her in every mission now. The problem with WF right now is that if a Frame doesn't insta nuke with 1 button, its trash; if a weapon isn't AOE, its trash. The community needs to start enjoy these frames for what they are, not for what they expect them to be. I just came out of a 2hour Circuit run using Dante and had ZERO issues with him, and this is post nerf. The point is that a frame doesn't just need the use of 1 ability to be good. For me, a frame that has all their abilities synergize to where you actually don't even need a Helminth; that's fun
Can guarantee theres people saying whatever you make a video on is doing trash damage and is garbage. It's everywhere you go. Unless you do exactly what they want theres gonna be haters. Best to just ignore them
I did an hour survival on steel path with her. Using primary fire. I had blast,toxin,radiation and corrosive on her. It's a cake walk. I had 45 efficiency and never ran out. People just don't know how to use their builds
I didn't even know about this drama, even while leveling and slapping mods by eyeballing and doing guesswork after 5 minutes reading the abilities she was working okay, nothing crazy of course because I am not a genius but I never thought after 5 minutes reading "man this wf sucks because I didn't make her work". That is as dumb as it gets, some of the new warframes are getting more nuanced in their design and need more than "put everything in power and press 4" and I think that is great for the game
Thanks for continuing to provide the best and most detailed content for warframe, you’re truly the goat Az. Btw I have a question. I know you said Dante is better at nuking in Endurance and Jade is better for base SP, but can Jade actually kill with her 4 alt fire up to lvl cap or would it just be more effective to use weapons at that point? (With armor strip)
Whenever I hear someone complain about a specific Frame being "Bad", I tend to hear that they can't adequately mod said Frame to be good for their role I've been using Jade with a pretty mid tier build and I've still enjoyed her, her 1 providing a good way to get some health regen on top of a maxed Arcane Grace as well as a good debuff on enemies, her 2 accessing a multitude of different buffs with a way of constantly replenishing the duration on it without recasting, her 3 gives a slow armour and shield leech ability that can give some alright crowd control and her 4, which is amazing, both the appeal of flying around, but also the damage is really good too I've heard similar complaints about Jade being "Bad" or "Underpowered", when in actuality she's the complete opposite, she's fun and if you know how to properly build her, she's super strong, that goes for 99.9% of all the Frames in the game
I've gone back to reference your video several times, and my main problem is that I'm just not fast enough to handle everything just yet. But I love how she plays and I will learn how to play her, and I love how she works under your guidance.
The fact that people still use Overframe should have been a loud indicator that the warframe playerbase cannot make a build on their own if their life depended on it. A majority of warframe content on youtube are just build showcases, and while not the content creators fault by any means, the consumers just eat it up without an understand of how different systems work. They just want their new toy to make big numbers and thats it. A double edged sword for CCs - casual playerbase provide the views, but also leave unbearable comments. I can't even imagine what the comment section on your Wuwa videos look like.
fr im running 45 efficiency with no nourish, no energize, and still maintaining energy while using 1 + alt fire nuke, get to 155 duration and its still only 5 e/s
Sorry that people are flaming in your comments. I personally appreciate what you do and really like that you show multiple ways to approach a frame instead of just showing one build like it’s the end all be all. Keep doing your thing, dude.
Jade is a different warframe.and she cares about stats that most warframes with similar abilities don’t care about. Now for what I actualy want to talk about. Jade,Dante,dagoth,seems like every warframe reciently has zero problems and is completely self sufficient. For heavens sake the new short frame can nuke and if that’s not enough she armors trips by looking at someone. It’s almost like de wants all the new frames to do everything. I personally don’t think that’s a good idea. Like dagoth can be an immortal tank (sort of like revanant) but can also be a super good nuke or good weapons platform. Old prime warframes like chroma,nyx,trinity have kits that barely function and compared to the new frames don’t function at all. Like why would you play chroma at all night now when 90% of frames can do a part of his kit better Why would I play trinity when I could be playing Jade. Heck why would I play wisp when Jade is here doing everything wisp can do but better. Why would I play nyx like seriously give me any reason to use her. An operator arcane does her kit but better. The power creep in the last few frames has been nuts. And I wish de would stop making these good in every situation frames. When I heard Jade was going to be a support frame I was hoping for an easier to use trinity with some sort of gimmick. What we got was a dnd cleric chucking health options. Everywhere and while calling in a tactical air strike. I would love to see some Jade nerfs just like Dante I feel that the Dante nerfs were good for the game overall. Thanks for listening to my talk
To support what you've said frost is also now a capable strip and damage frame on top of his ability to support and cc 🤣 They are indeed making every frame capable of pretty much everything
Some credit for Wisp, is that you're only really focusing on her motes, Movement speed + Attack speed + Fire rate, isn't really something that a lot of frames can do, Volt is one of the only others. Also with reservoirs wisp can slap down 3 sets of Health and Speed, and do other stuff, can subsume her 4th to be something like Proteas Dispensery or something and then have infinite ammo, energy, etc. She has her place, she isn't top tier, but she can make some weapons to build for other players god like, like +100% attackspeed for melees meaning you're doubling or more their DPS
@saintpres4ge533 did you just say wisp isn't top tier? Are you insane? She's God tier. She's in the argument for best frame in the game. This is an asinine take.
I am under the impression that people who say "Jade sucks" are trying to gaslight people in thinking that, just so we don't get another "heavy-handed Dante nerfs" situation. Just a theory, but it wouldn't surprise me considering the shitfest that were the Dante nerfs and the fact that she is stronger than even pre-nerf Dante
You are expecting too much critical thinking from this heavy ADHD community. Unless you talk about red crits it's hard for them to follow. Nonetheless I appretiate the time and effort you have put into this research. Been enjoying Jade a lot and your videos were very helpful. Thank you.
Warframe does have one of the lowest skill player bases I've seen in gaming. There's many people out there who have over 1000 hours played and still don't know how to do spy missions. Mostly because the community is full of leechers who expect people to carry the mission while they go and try to level up there weapons 8 rooms away from a mobile defense point. I've had multiple recent game sessions where I was the only person in the same room as the objective while the time ticked down.
Minor (and lengthy) buildcraft and gameplay tips: By using a maxed Fleeting expertise and Boreal's hatred you reach 175%, get 908 base shields (2.2 second shield gate) AND an additional 20% damage reduction, all of that for the same capacity cost as fleeting + streamline (you are taking a larger hit to duration so it depends on the playstyle), combined with aviator and adaptation you can very easily tank base SP without having to rely on heals, the shield buff or arcanes Alt fire glory builds: Unlike what's shown in the video (which im guessing is due to polarities not matching for multiple builds) Creeping Bullseye is better than Primed Pistol Gambit, you get a bit more crit for less capacity and the -fire rate doesn't affect your DPS, additionally if you do not want to use primed faction damage mods you can use the new elementalist mod (+90% status damage) and switch your elements to gas/blast + elec/toxin, this means that every possible proc is affected by the status damage, personally i've found blast+elec (running 60/60 for cold and electric, then the 2 primed mods) with sure shot (normal not galvanized) giving a 62% status chance where both possible procs deal DOT (and elec doing a tick instantly, which is why i gave it slightly better weighting compared to blast) Something most Jades seem to miss is that her 3 and 4 snapshot strength during initial cast on every aspect, this includes the alt fire, meaning you do NOT have to keep her 2 buff on strength the whole time, you can switch to the damage buff if you are doing a primary fire build or switch to the shield buff for the alt fire spam, or if you need neither (since you either have enough DR to outlast the universe or you are killing enemies fast enough to not be bothered by them) then you can switch depending on what your teamates like or need, doing pubs in the event i've found plenty of people who would go down constantly if i didn't have the shield buff active There's 1 shard buff that most people have forgotten and that's the blue shard's max energy buff, if you are not running flow that +50 (or +75 on tau) can greatly help her energy economy by giving her more time to replenish her energy reserves, i highly recommend slotting at least one shard if you aren't running energize or steadfast
I guess people try to compare her to Dante where all he needed was to spam Dark Verse in random direction and 70m Tragedy exploded entire tile (because it expedites teammates status too) while she is more like Qorvex where one-shotting is based on enemy density.
Have you noticed the alt fire does ips damage instead of heat damage. Do you know if this is intentional, de should add it in the modding menu if the alt fire is meant to have different stats to the normal fire. Oh also the alt fire does do heat in the simulacrum but in actual missions it does ips
I am aware, to me this is a bug. But I don't know why it does this. I have random slash procs from time to time. I don't know if this has something to do with placeholder stats, due to her altfire stats being listed in the ability section instead of on the weapon itself. It's...very weird.
@@Aznvasionsyea it’s really annoying me because I’m trying to set up a blast build for it but the extra damage types are messing with the weighting making it inconsistent. Still gets the job done I just know it could be better if the bug was fixed. Honestly surprised to hear people think she’s bad though
it is wild the variety of takes there have been on jade. I've got a build now that works well for me as a "daily driver" and very happy with her power level. Just swapped her 3 with pillage to help with "slower"/directional strip and a bit of surviability i was skill issuing with (i think now that was just because jade lasers were really bad for a bit last week...) really like jade, she's a really powerful and fun frame to play for me, i love to provide some buffs for teammates too :)
Soooooo, I saw Jade in SP Duviri. I used the base version and helped the team get to 7 plus stages with mobs well in the thousands. I was able to heal them, revive from a distance and armor strip with glory. This was the BASE version, since I don't have her yet even now. Oh and my weapon selection sucked too...
dunno what peoples problem is, like up to maybe lvl 500 its fine, after that i start struggling too. still have to figure out how to make her survive that without vazarin.
I have a friend who said she was mid when he started using her under an hour and I told him "Have you tried this and that? If you haven't, you're not using her right." When it's not that very complicated to use her kit to the fullest. When I mentioned he could run it as a Mesa but more interactive, let's just say his neurons activated at that point. He had a lot of fun I'll say but I think he learned his lesson of "Don't knock it til you try it at it's fullest."
I dont have energy issues at 100 efficiency. Mainly because i have equilibrium+my companion... if people are running out of energy, skill issue. Cant share skill, you can share builds, but you cant share skill.
I made my first build for her in 1 minute, I made a balanced build with duration/strength/range and neutral efficiency and felt it was pretty good, I knew if I looked up a build it would prolly be different from mine and this video shows that. I like my build because I’m lazy and recasting abilities is kinda annoying to me, I have decent strength and range so I get a little bit from the buffs. I run brief respite and spam 3 to get shields back, and yea alt fire spam is strong, I run flow and don’t really have a problem, ofc like any spam build there’s moments when I need to get energy but I like running weapons platforms anyway so I don’t have a problem there either. Can’t really see how someone can say jade is bad when all of the problems are fixable.
I’ve level capped with jade in both sp disruption and void cascade At around lvl 2000 her 1st and 4th abilities become completely useless so I replaced glory with nourish. Jade really is support based at best so don’t expect room clears from her glory after lvl 1000. I’ve spammed her 2nd for shield buff thing is her kit is very energy reliant so I had to throw in arcane steadfast and energize. I find jade best built for strength and duration Her aura kit I threw on Brief respite and holster amp because after a certain level her abilities just can’t keep up with the dps enemies put out and becomes highly dependent on your weapon and operator setup. I’m a trinity main and I feel like I survived more with trinity than with jade at lvl cap
Thanks actually, I was totally lost at how build her and a lot of people told me to put full strength and no efficiency and high duration, tired those builds and was not having much fun till I saw your video today and tried your build, now I'm having more fun playing Jade. Thanks
I can't believe that so many people can't handle the energy economy of her. 175% efficiency is enough, roughly 6 energy per alt-fire is nothing!!! 25 on the other hand is not doable, regardless of Nourish or anything else. People also not understanding that ANY energy/s is stopped when you have abilities that cost energy/s, don't know a lot of the mechanics and just copy/paste builds. I for myself love to craft and theorize builds and came up with different builds and mechanics (and even glitches). For example; Citrine with Total Eclipse allows for 97.5% Damage Reduction for the entire team, while giving all 25 HP/s, while also prime a lot of enemies and even allow for crystalize to enhance all of my teammates crit chance to 300%! Perfectly for support. What I also found out is, that Jade's shield Regen delay doesn't stack with the current one in the game. I can't tell exactly why or how I tested it, but it seems to be either not working, or a different version of shield Regen delay.
I have a rank 1 or 2 arcane energize and that alone is enough to maintain her throughout the entirety of any mission. These people probably didn't mod her exalted or just don't know how to play the game. Glory alone can clear house if modded properly with a non galvanized, non prime mod build
It was on the weapon platform version of her that doesn't use her 4. The 4 build has no use for the Glaxion in particular, however, in theory, you can use the nightwave mod if you ever happen to run out of energy to quickly get some energy orbs back.
If I had a dollar for every time I got a Jade in my squad that uses normal fire, does not throw 1st ability, their 3rd is nowhere to be seen (and it is extremely visible if it is on from other player's PoV) and randomly dumps in squad chat "Primed Fulmination feels soo good." I would have two dollars... which is not much, but I am terrified it happened twice.
I'm Japanese. I use machine translation. I always refer to it. After watching the last Jade build introduction, my opinion of her has changed 180 degrees. She's not a supporter. She's an annihilarator. I'm playing on PS5, so I fly with △ and build an area with ×, and then I just press the R3 stick. The most frightening thing right now is that this great frame will be weakened... Thank you for your always helpful videos. As long as I watch your videos and don't use them incorrectly, I won't mistake her for a weak frame. So they might be... fmm... blind?
I have 60% on her Efficencie and i never run out of energy except i dont move down to grab the energy orbs. People just wanna complain and not actually put the effort in.
I only saw this video because I was searching for the original video to reference as I was tweaking my build. I was nerfing myself by putting multishot and base damage on a nuke build, as that video plainly mentions. I appreciate the hell out of how detailed these vids are. Unfortunately, I am absolutely loathe to rebuff every 30 seconds, so there's no way I'm using Outburst.
Been running her with Blind Rage and using Energize + Equilibrium to brute force the energy drain. lol. High range, high strength and neutral duration. I still don't have problem with energy. The good old, "you kill enough enemy, you get enough energy" approach.
The only issue I have with her is actually her appearance. I know, that could be fine and I'm not judging those who have no issues with it. But I can't consider myself playing a pregnant-looking character doing bullet jumps and backflips in a space ninja game. As a 3D artist I also don't like the way her dress is sculpted but that's my own preference. So... I guess I'll wait for her to get a deluxe ! I think the pregnant idea will stay because it is the very concept of Jade but at least anything will be easier to fashion than this.
I didn't think it was getting that out of hand. Sorry you had to go through that. But let's hope there's a bit more clarity on what was needed for her build. Honestly I did already build her similar to this, but you honestly built her really nice imo. Thanks for the vid as always.
I don't have Jade, so in full honesty, I cannot comment on Jade's situation specifically. But I have been noticing quite frequently that people keep following this 100% or 45% efficiency thing... Admittedly I am guilty of this for some frames. But I also try to fully kit out the builds and make it work. If they need to run Blind Rage on the build, which drops them to 45%, you better be shield gating and learning how to manage your abilities with more duration, range, and energy management (Nourish for example). Jade specifically feels like a frame where you COULD do this 45% version, but you REALLY shouldn't, and it seems like all it would do is destroy her kit. I am gonna check out the build video so I can get a better understanding of Jade, but yeah, this entire 45% or 100% efficiency thing is creating a nasty mess of builds and frames.
about the folks that running 45 or 100 eff that somehow got no energy in the middle of their experience with jade, they can easily negate by mix in equi and energize together if they don't want to run 175. but that just me tho, i havent completely find my "good enough" build for jade but im trying to make it works. jade is a good warframe but you need to put alot of brain just to make her works. i've seen this type of same problem with garuda when she first came out with people saying that she's suck and cant nuke and her kits are all sucks. but in reality, she's a good frame IF people put some effort to build her. this is goes the same with jade, she can be good IF people try to put some effort to build her and understand how her kits worked
Ok, another question, on the Glory build, you can drop Primed Heated Charge for Scorch, and it'll give more Status chance.. and drop Pathogen Rounds for Augur Pact. Status - 44% Heat - 646.8 (nearly 200 more) Corrosive - 909.6 (nearly 400 more) Total - 1,556.4 (a little over 500 more) Or do these changes do something negatively that im not noticing?
This works much better for a hybrid build where you will both shoot and altfire Glory. That type of build also can choose either the original Altfire Nuke Jade build I showcased, or lean towards the weapon platform variant I have listed as Build 3 in my original video. If you want to go the hybrid route, and are using Glory for DPS rather than normal weapons, Archon Vitality is something to consider for better heat scaling. Due note that Strength gives Glory base damage, and Augur Pact does very little in this particular case, as it's additive to strength instead of multiplicative.
I don't ever look up or copy guides for building frames i think it sucks the fun out of it for me. I don't sit theory craft my builds and study how they can do the most damage as i just don't play for that I'm in retirement in warframe i fiddle with some builds and play causally forever. Still my causal builds still gets me over finish line evey stinking time and I'm fine with that. I'm worried that warframe is becoming a game full of people playing the game wrong. This is critical stage we're in.
Angry Aznvasions is best Aznvasions. Thank you for this follow up video! Jade broke people because they're so used to "number go up, it gud build" mentality.
1:39 Bro these modern WF players hate that for some reason. 175% Efficiency solves a lot of problems on “casty” or energy hungry frames. I agree with this point 100% but honestly ppl these days want to “play the game their way” without learning how things work and then complain when “their way” doesn’t work.
I think the issue is exactly what I’ve been saying for the past few years….. Most people don’t know how to build, they copy builds. Now they changed the weaknesses and resistances of the enemy units, I can bet any money that people are still using viral, slash and heat as if it is still going to do what it used to do.
So wait let me get this straight; You'd get 3x damage (or +3x?) by doing the following: -Wait until you have a chance to get Ceramic Dagger Incarnon from the most pain in the arse gamemode in the game where your enjoyment is based on RNG and falling asleep is almost guaranteed -Buy an expensive af arcane to get the rest of the initial combo required for full effect (577p for rank 5 at time of writing) -Buy another expensive af duviri cycle -only reward arcane (420p at r5 atm) -Get 100 kills with your primary in a full squad with everyone already nuking enemies while you're at the startline (which on SP may or may not be a tad harder than usual) when the average kills per mission anywhere but survival is
I don't have arcane energize on and don't even have 175% efficiency, and yet I've had absolutely no issue with energy economy. Literally, all it takes is just gliding along the ground every now and then to grab orbs and if thats not enough add equilibrium.
what I try to do is make my own build and see how it works before I look for outside sources. While I'm a Warframe vet, I actually don't know alot about current "metas" and etc. All I ended up doing was check out Jade's abilities/passives, and then look into the recent stat changes. Built a build off of that and she's been awesome so far, though just glancing at these builds in the vid tells me I need to watch that other Jade video mentioned lol. Still, I can be perpetually in her alt form and fly around like the biblically accurate angel that she is. Heck with so many things she brings to the table I thought she might be overpowered. Very surprised to hear people are having so much trouble.
