Well if you think about they were too reliant on crm aid and they couldn’t keep them self self reliant and sufficient so the whole camp would have died out slowly over time 🕰️ . Kinda like how shadow company in mw2 massacred the hole town to search for hasan even if shadow company did massacre the town the cartel would have done that in matter of time anyway
That's what leader need. Sometimes leader gotta do the hardest decision. That no one or few can only do. To save humanity or it's kingdom. Self sufficient and strong individual. Is what a nation needs. They need to support them to be able to become. Strong
Reminds me of that goofy video from filthy frank where he’s in court and someone screams “you murdered 10 children and crippled 5!” (Or something like that🤣
So are, you know, resources. If people are consuming more than they produce, they're not a resource. They're a liability. This liability would have ended hundreds of thousands of people.
Not really, this is more about the fact of the matter that people consume food and if they don’t produce enough to sustain that they’ll drag you down, not that people won’t blindly listen and give you everything they have so you kill them
@@eliasspeed5882 yeah but the crm had the option to assist the other colonies with becoming self sufficient but they just hide behind their walls and murder people because it's the easiest option. Typical government bs, everyone is expendable except them.
Imagine living in this universe and having to be the guy who does the embodied work on her collar. You survived hordes of walkers, just to end up a seamstress...
@@richardssa1999 to be fair they actually didn't have shit for food, but that was the irony, she would have suffered longer than the rest of them if they actually starved to death though
@@Lucitin no when you fast your body releases a hormone which stops making you feel hungry that plus all the lard she had stored she could have lived a year with very little to no food
“We had to make the hard choices” is such a classic villain take because it’s a very simple, egotistical outlook that is simply wrong but boy howdy does it hit different sometimes
I mean if they couldn't get their shit together and relied heavily on CRM to do everything for them/get everything for them then they would be a drain. Then if it did all go to shit, those surviving people would flock to the Civic Republic for either more handouts or want what they got and try to take it themselves.
Yeah, like committing genocide against a population based off a study? Seems kinda wack, especially considering that Omaha could have just established more colonies and stuff? If they had Campus and that many people.
@@ryanchilders7449She might not be a villain but she’s one of my least favorite characters for sure. How she looks and everything she says is just cringe
Not really. They are brutal in their methods but their effective. The ends justify the means. Even if genocide is required. Its like a starving mother bear eating her cubs to survive. Without her the cubs will die, but the mother can always have more cubs.
@@sui1162 You just used the same justification cannibals used in the main show in season 5. The ends do not justify the means, the means give meaning to the end. If in the end you have a society built on the genocide of others, that is not a society worth having or cherishing. Youre using the same justification the colonizers did to wage their genocide on native peoples. "The ends justify the means" has probably been one of the most destructive idioms the world has ever produced. And yes, if you figure out that im saying the society we have today, built on genocides and oppression of all kinds, isnt worth having then you understood me perfectly.
@@LoudaroundLincoln maybe they were justifed, and your coping about how evil it is to genocide or oppress others, when its been a very stable and constant factor in all human societys and total existance. todays tolerance and bleeding heart shit is not the norm for humanity
@@db1416 But at the same time, we're talking in the context of a universe such as the walking dead. Nobody has ever gotten anywhere being a 100% good person. It's physically impossible. Glenn for most of the show was a pacifist and his first kill was stabbing a dude in his sleep. Because they believed these people would come after them. It was messed up but they believed they HAD to do it. It's the same thing here with Jadis. If you had to pick between just abandoning 100,000 people and know they're all gonna die slow and miserable deaths or just wiping them, it's obvious which one you pick. You can fight around the morality of it all you want but Jadis gave not only the best mercy she possibly could, but also the best practical decision. Sustaining 100,000 people who can't sustain themselves would have been a threat to literally everybody. The CRM are the only in-universe people actively looking for vaccines/cures and with the resources to do so. Minus the few scientists they smuggled out at the end of WB season 2 who are working in makeshift labs. Who don't have the means to mass produce what they find or administer it to the masses. The ends justify the means works fine when whoever is saying it has actual clear goals in mind and aren't just on power trips. Jadis is in a position where she genuinely believes every decision she makes is critical to whether or not she can reach her end goal. Which in this universe is basically the equivalent of ending the apocalypse. The CRM can't do that if they're handholding thousands of people. And abandoning them is probably worse than killing them since they know for a fact a wide majority of them would die. There's no good decision for them. The only decent option that at this point is years too late, is not having the responsibility of taking care of them in the first place. Most people start off altruistic until they've made people too comfortable and then they realize "oh shit, we're on the fast track to not even being able to take care of ourselves let alone people who have zero survival skills".
Fun fact, in season 1 to season 5 they were too distant from CRM, since Aaron bring them to Alexandria only 2-3 months have passed until saviors lost the war, and CRM was already there, their helicopters appears and we know after it was Jadis calling them, they only had attention to small communities when they offer something valuable to them, Alexandria and others communities are not too far, only 200 kilometers, a half day or less to travel, they have been watched for a long time, but if they can murderer 100 thousand people they probably have millions of people in vast and far other communities to care about, in north cities with more infrastructure, not a few hundreds people in rural zone with improvised walls
@@FOXCYBORGNINJA yeah but they need to survive and just because there may be other organizations working on a cure doesn't mean that another one won't help out
This is what needs to happen. We need to bring Fear TWD, Dead City, Daryl Dixon’s Show & Rick & Michonne’s Show together to make one more season of The Walking Dead and show how the take down the CRM and we get a good ending of everyone is back together and they live happily ever after
@@tylerdavis4101he literally just added music over it. The most overplayed sad song in existence, the chorus from Stan. Not only did he only add music, he didn’t even take the time to remove the original music from the show…..
Offense does not equal corruption. You see a raccoon with rabies. It's sad to see. You don't want it to die. Killing is wrong. But if you don't put it down, someone else gets sick. Someone else dies. You being offended by the taking of its life doesn't mean I'm corrupt for doing it. In the context of this show, one of the settlements was diseased. You're offended they were put down, but it needed doing or everyone died. Your offense doesn't mean she's corrupt. It just means you're too offended to realize she saved lives.
@@arkoisagoodboy it’s philosophy not being offended, there’s multiple ways of seeing in a good or bad light of this situation like in the trolley problem. She’s explaining the issue of inaction, and relies on the idea of the action of giving up the colony’s life over the action of saving it. She’s justifying the military’s decision on the end and looking at the “bigger picture”, but in reality they just gave up.
Well then it's a good thing society isn't alive. I don't care what anyone says, the CRM is right. Someone needs to rebuild the world, and it sure as shit wasn't gonna be the Campus Colony or Portland.
Well in short she basically lied and said Rick was a B instead of an A to save him from being experimented on in a lab. She traded Rick to get into the CRM as a high ranked officer. She learned to talk alot better thats for sure😂😂
@@b3rtne Literally no one, and no group/faction/nation starts off self reliant. You can become so through the aid of others though. Give them advice, hardware, or agricultural plans like Georgie, and they can develop into an entity that’s self sustaining and sufficient.
What the heck do you mean? All groups can become self reliant if they try hard enough. By your logic then government and other organizations should exists because if they weren't able to become self reliant on their own then no one would exist to help other groups when they feel the need too.
@@TheMelancholicWriteractually all nations had to grow from nothing become self-sufficient The roman empire was nothing but farmers and nobody's when it first started The Japanese dynasty's Native tribes Everyone starts off self reliant That's how nations are born and the countries are made only when they're big enough is when they start to take imports and exports and due to trade are no longer self-reliant
@@ryanchilders7449 as long as the decision maker includes themselves within the culling numbers I could maybe get with their decision. Like the captain going last and maybe down with the ship. If you cant be a part of the answer then you're most likely part of the problem. Work it out find another WAY...
@@wagnercolbert737 You gotta listen she said the military made their decisions with the civilians and them that the civilians would go so the military would still survive.
The old saying goes, "Catch a man a fish, you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, you feed him for life." The Civic Republic decided "Catch a man a fish, feed him for a day, catch him another fish until he becomes a drain on your resources and eliminate him because you just want to control who lives and who dies."
Looked fine to me. You gotta realize too much facial expression becomes non believable and seen as "overacting" I think she does a good job of expressing it through her voice
@@TerrellCooper the voice was fine, she looked like she was in a middle school play tho. She literally didn't move her face at all. Her eyebrows didn't move. No look of disbelief, no horror, no anything. T pose face I do realize too much is bad. Too little is bad too. She doesn't move at all lol.
"You murdered 100.000 people!" "Meh. I've killed more Walkers than people. And considering Walker's used to BE people. I'm actively lowering my kill count to appease your self righteous needs."
The irony and Jada's comment is that they were already self-sustainable they just want to get rid of the competition that's all it is they can't have no other group bigger than them or else they'll get wiped out
That's what I was thinking too. Like, if they are so worried about other communities not becoming self-sustaining, then why even help them in the first place? They clearly only care about their own goals, and want to exterminate any potential threats that might be detrimental to their future. In reality, they made these fake alliances with these communities so they can kill them and take their shit to better benefit themselves. You really believe that all three of these communities weren't able to sustain themselves at all without the CRMs help?
That makes sense. They would become self sustaining eventually and not need the CRM. They needed to strong arm them and since that didn't work they needed an excuse to genocide em
They don't think through conversations like they used to before. They try to go for the aesthetics and "wow" of a speech without thinking about the meaning behind it and how it connects with others rationally.
@@orbitingsentientsatellite4361 I have leather football gloves with no grip, those appear to be leather too and it would be very hard to make a crisp snap with them on.
Does anyone else notice how her character lost their semi-accent? I know the actual actress has an accent, but whist on TWD she kept it to a minimum but it was still noticeable and recurring. And no one else in the show lost their accent years after being around others. So yeah…did the writers just say “drop it” or did she just get an accent coach? Lol
I guess its because she was looking for a person to hand out to the crm, so basically she had to change her personality also her accent Would be an idea, or because of the community she built and she applied the accent from them to her own. Or the other way around just to please the crm or something like that, changed herself so she can fit in, in the crm.
resources is finite, if it's left unchecked, life will cease to exist, so it needs correction. i remembered it from a purple man with a magic gauntlet.
Dude, Omaha is surrounded by some of the best farmland in the world, in one of the least populated (pre-apocalypse) regions in the country, not to mention it sits in the Missouri River, giving it access to the entire Mississippi River Basin. It should have been protected at all costs! Portland was the right choice though.
Assuming that 99% of people were wiped out, that leaves over 3 million people still alive in America alone. Really though, the zombie apocalypse makes no sense, on any level. Sure, big cities would be wiped out, and very dangerous, but small towns and Midwestern rural areas? They would be nearly completely safe. The population density is so low that even FINDING a zombie would be difficult not too long after the pandemic, there is barbed wire literally everywhere, keeping massive areas of land safe, unless there is a horde, which there would never be in those areas, and literally everyone has a gun... Life would barely change for those people.
@@NatLott420 This is pretty much what would eventually happen. It's established that walkers have migration patterns and they notoriously use wide open space to do it. The only thing that stops them is like the canyon a horde was trapped in that one season they tried to lead away, and in fear TWD that hole that was created by detonation of the warhead.
If you watch the season 2 Walking Dead episode Nebraska it's explained that trains from everywhere in the country were going to a settlement in Nebraska - supposedly because it was more sparsely populated than other major states, and thus less walkers, and with a higher per capita amount of firearms.
@@XboxIsSoft Character ends in this show? Most of the ones involving the people who side with the CRM. They just overall feel really 'You haven't seen the last of me muhahahaha' and I've never really been a fan of that.
No. The communities should have there own food growing and learning how to make resources. 10 years in the end of the world. People should know how to rebuild. They just needed a plot to make them look bad.
@@killuminatepeacefulness3948 the settlement was a drain. Yes, she had a point. There needs to be an output greater than the consumption or they'd be like locusts.
Not really, killing 100k people in an apocalypse is absolutely insane given how much knowledge and resources you are wasting without even going into morality. Any number of things CRM could do to mitigate this including annexation, coup or colonization/forced resettlement, especially since Campus is in Nebraska which is America's breadbasket so it being unable to self sustain is absurd.
@@axelaxel2952 just by dying. The virus exists in all humans in TWD world. It's a risk not worth taking in their eyes, I suppose. Alexandria, hilltop & Oceanside were self sufficient & then were assimilated into the CW, presumably to be assisted, but more than likely they were in contact with the CRM for a larger scale network.
Ok if that the case then prove it grew your own food stop buying groceries stop watching tv and make your own entertainment and do it right now no preparation no excuse do right now because in the apocalypse u don’t get one and not only that when people die they turn or did y’all all forget that remember do y’all even remember when they said everyone always infected with the virus unless they die of old age but wounds sickness famine that how u turn too did all even remember that no so y’all can shut the fuck now thank you
I mean. It makes sense. The saviors were reliant on stealing communities supplies without a care in the world, so as soon as those supplies were cut off it would only be a matter of time before they fell apart. Alexandria, the hilltop, the kingdom, oceanside, and the commonwealth were all self reliant with their own food, water, and power supply. They even made their own tools. The CRM is the same way, they are self reliant and capable of producing enough goods for themselves and at their peak enough for the communities. However due to the communities expanding qnd giving nothing in return the aid the CRM gave would have never been enough even if they tapped into their own supply. Moral of the story, be self reliant or die.
This is the shortsightedness of ppl in power like this. Instead of helping create conditions for self sufficiency they let them strain resources as a precursor & excuse for mass murder
Even if there is a famine they have no idea what innovation could come out of bad situations. They may have executed an Albert Einstein, Edwin Jenner, Nikola Tesla, MLK, Da Vinci or Mozart. This doesn’t even begin to address the moral and ethical issues of deciding to execute 100,000 people because they “will die anyway”.
@@robpolaris7272 " they will die anyway" is an assumption. An when ur in a world where human life is one of the top resources of our species si wiping out 3 pockets of these resources off assumptions is wreckless & as I said short sighted. Good leaders generaks etc all look at long term consequences & potential. But they chose shirt term which is a much worse planning & strategic move.
@@ososexxy9764 I put that in quotes because that is their belief, not necessarily mine. Even if it is true that doesn’t give you the right to murder them all.
I agree with this, honestly the crm could of made them jobs and careers giving them a sense a purpose, that way they would earn their aid from the crm. It would’ve been far more beneficial for the crm in the future. Humans by nature want to be helpful and we use jobs as a way to contribute.
