Jake Wagner Testifies Against Brother, Details Pike County Massacre Timeline 

I agree. I’ve seen a lot about these murders. I think his mom is who taught him to be that way. She wanted his daughter too and I’m sure had a hand in pushing him into wanting full custody emotionally.

@@peggybaby0894 What I cannot wrap my head around why didn’t one of them at some point say just one time, ”It is wrong to kill so count me out!”

If it was about Sofia , in all the time it took in the planning , someone would've thought about the impact it would have on Sofia to never know her mom or family . But they never did . Unless they truly believed being molested was far worse . IDIOTS

Being raised by Wagners would be the worst for Sofia. Teaching how to lie & grift.

It was definitely the mother she admits that she told her husband that they would have to kill them and the father told the sons

I thought the same thing none of them should any rights to “ opt out “ of anything because they didn’t give the Rhoden family any rights to not be executed !

Yes I agree with you with a 1,000% because that was my first thought , also .

He is a convicted murderer, he shouldn't have that right to opt out.. They just wasted a month of everyone's time and can't even hear what's being said.

thats up in the air with Angela its been put to the judges discretion but im kinda glad jakes was or alot of ppl would be having alot of anxiety there is a word for word transcript read on pretty lies &alibis its truely disturbing

You sound just like an armchair attorney. You may want to brush up on the laws

@autistic housewife for our entertainment?? We wouldn't be entertained if he didn't commit murder than try to get away with it than get caught than tell the truth. We already know he's testifying, and we already know what he's going to be saying because of what was said in opening statements. What's the point in hiding now? everyone knows he's testifying.

Exactly, his 8 victims didn’t get to opt out.

I agree

They could have gotten away with it if they were smart.

@@mikehunt7888 If they were smarter they wouldn’t be in a killing situation

I don't get why people don't just move... This must proof having one of the lowest intelligence possible.

@@meneerhalfwerk7096 - A lot of intelligence went into that last line, I can see.

@@mikehunt7888 - From law enforcement maybe, but nobody ever really 'gets away' with anything. EVER.

Yep, she knowingly knew it all right!!

If that conniving wretch didn't in fact dream up the whole scheme in the first place, I feel like she was ALL IN on the planning of the caper, including forging papers and buying Walmart tennies to throw those pesky cops off the trail. This was right up her kooky alley. She probably has a detailed PowerPoint presentation buried under the new barn.

I’m sure they had to make a deal based on what they thought they could prove to a jury. Better to have them all in prison for life then some of them walk free.

I truly believe the two should switch places

Didn't they in the the brother George can get the death penalty

@@cheeseybeano1735 no cause jake Warner said the only way he was going to take the plea deal if all if them were involved in it that's why they will all get life without parole

I agree with you except the got part. I think they should have gotten the death penalty.

agreed

Agree

An article I read today with some of his testimony in it does show a big hand of Billy for sure, and it sort of said Angela didn't want Jake to do it. I was surprised. I bet there is alot more to the story that we may never know.

He was probably sorry he got caught.

Lol Lol lol

More proof they are idiots

He said he shot six of the 8 people

Jake stated that he killed 5 and Billy killed 3… Jake said he shot Chris Sr. but only injured him that Billy killed Chris, Gary and Kenneth. Jake said he killed Hanna May, Dana, little Chris, Frankie and Hannah Hazel.

A narcissist mother can ruin a whole family.

Completely agree.. would love to watch how funny it is when they r told every single day what they could or couldn't do ...lol lol And hopefully never get 2 c that precious little girl who had her mommy taken away from her by her daddy and now he is gone (well hopefully)

Whoa, there! The murders happened in April of 2016, but the case wasn't broken until November 2018 -- two and a half years later. The prosecution has eight victims, several different locations, four defendants, AND it's a capital case! Meanwhile, it's not as if the Wagners have been out there living it up. They've been incarcerated since their involvement was discovered. "The wheels of justice turn slowly, but they grind exceedingly fine."

yes and no camera in court on George but not jake and no sound

We the people had the right to see this and it just makes me angry that it seems more and more too many concessions are being given to the bad guys

I was thinking that myself. Not to say that Jake has appropriate feelings about all things - he clearly has issues - but he still might have similar coping mechanisms. After several traumatic events which occurred in my life I eventually could speak about them, as you say, disconnected from it.

I think it's you're brains way of protecting you.

@@sdsurfgirl60 hence the word coping mechanism, your brain is trying to protect you from the stress of the emotions you are processing

Lost my mom and I grieve in that kind of way it sucks but it’s all I can do to keep it together

The issue I have is he has never shown remorse.

I can absolutely, positively GUARANTEE you this one thing: he is NOT a murder.

How is he not a murderer? lmao😂​@@skinovtheperineum1208

Why would criminals coöperate if they don't get any deals? Why would people turn themselves in if they'll face the same consequences no matter what? He's serving several life sentences. It's not like he got away with anything. He was just allowed to live the rest of his life locked up in prison, which I am guessing is about as amazing as it sounds.

Their evidence wasn't great without the confession.

@@christopher399 the biggest problem with "multiple life sentences" is that the prisons are run by private, for profit, businesses, and if we dug around, we'd find out that our politicians own stock in these companies. There is no incentive to reform inmates when you profit off of how many you keep in custody. It becomes the tax-payer's burden to house and feed criminals that won't do anything to contribute to their own life, and instead, will burden our society and tax payers with bogus law suits, actin up, etc, while in prison. They should be put to hard work to actually cover the costs of housing an inmate. If "hardened criminals" don't want to reform, and they have "life in prison", then their lives should be cut short. If you don't want to contribute to society in a positive, meaningful manner, contribute to covering the cost of your own life, you should be put down like your victims. Don't give criminals more rights than their victims or those that aren't incarcerated.

@@sheldonshogrin6736 well said

@@sheldonshogrin6736 More rights? They are in prison. They don't have the arguably most important right of them all: freedom. I disagree with a lot of what you said. I do believe prisons should have the main goal of rehabilitating the inmates, but I don't think the prisoners should be worked to death or killed. There are the moral reasons for that, but also the fact that sometimes we need time to come around. For example, I personally sought help back in 2016, but it took me a few years to come around and be willing to give therapy everything it takes. It might take a decade or two, but at some point, I think it's reasonably to assume that prisoners will want to turn their lives around. Certainly if they are to be released some day, but even if they are serving life, they probably want to end on a high note. They can be troublesome until they die, or they can turn their lives around and do something positive in prison. I know some lifers who turned their lives around have started talking to inmates that struggle. They may not be able to get out and change the world, but they can at least help out those that are in prison - some of whom will one day have their freedom back, and might take some of the lessons/advice from the lifers with them.

Dude named Satan.

IMO, it's just a story Jake concocted to create mitigating circumstances, reducing the chance George and Billy will get the death penalty. His wife Beth's testimony that the Wagners accused her of touching the children inappropriately shows that the family has a history of making false allegations against people in order to intimidate and manipulate them.

@@skinovtheperineum1208 That dude’s name was not Satan, was Angela.

They should've killed themselves .

I remember when I first learned about this case and reading the comments section someone had said that the murdering family were growing weed and were part of a cartel and so this was actually a hit and they're lying when they say that they were worried for the little girl . I believe that whoever wrote the comment had told the truth and the detectives needed to do some more digging but I guess it doesn't matter now anyway although it should

Typical coward .

He wants control. If he thinks he has it, he might talk. Let him talk. We don't need people who do this on the streets.

I recall a case of 2 very young men who robbed a convenience and the clerk had a heart attack as a result and died. These young men were convicted of murder. Actions have consequences......!

Jake pled guilty on camera

they both are actually all 5 are

Jake lived in his own head like a fantasy, probably too lazy to go through the courts for custody

They were brainwashed by the mom & dad since they were young children and didn't attend school

IF George knew about it and did NOT call the police to stop this, he is as guilty as the shooters.

Gigi & Eric make a good team

Omg, THANK YOU!

witnesses can but as l&c said the law was never meant for pleas bargains

Especially since this trial is actually paid 4 by the TAX PAYERS...Jake is an admitted murderer of multiple people and should have lost all rights

@@southerncountry1132 but as one person has repeatedly said in these threads he actually is not a witness he is actually considered a co-conspirator and that makes him subject to what everybody else has had to go through with the hands of the prosecution and we have the right to see him

@@gardensofthegods I WISH THAT WAS THE CASE BUT THE JUDGE GOT OVER RULED

I also thought he might in the first couple of weeks of the trial, but as it goes on my hope for that wanes.

There is no apostrophe in Wagners.

The evil Wagner's were a weed growing operation and part of a cartel these grisly murders were a hit ... that is the word on the street and I do believe it

@@gardensofthegods - What part of there is no apostrophe in Wagners don't you understand? Oh, and your 'theory' has been debunked like, years ago, lol. Word on the street is that you take it in the pooper.

Wrong‼️They were ALL being controlled by the matriarch. George was the only Male NOT PULLING TRIGGER. Master manipulator is the mother👎👎👎👹

You are exactly right

Worse yet is that they have been lying all along when saying they were concerned for the little girl because word on the street was that this murderous family had a weed growing operation and were actually part of a cartel ... In other words the brutal Massacre was a calculated hit and if that truth had gotten out to the jurors ... well ... think about how they would have voted ... less compassion towards those murderers unrightfully so but the truth has not been told yet now has it and they detectives and the FEDS need to know this is the word on the street and I believe it

I'm sure he'd appreciate a visitor once he gets settled into his new place 😏😉😂

@@snowcattish Time for me to cash in those airline miles

“I don’t consent to being called that name…..” 🙄🤣🙄

Same. I am looking for a new trial 😂

@@poochiekitty8062 For the record....

In the same country that would also allow a 23 year old guy who admitted to premeditated murder of 17 people in a school in FL continue to breath oxygen until he dies versus giving him the death penalty that he was eligible for. Criminals have more rights than victims in this country.

@@ld4687 Exactly. The same people who demand their second amendment rights have not stomach for the death penalty.

Jake the Snake👎👎👎😈

you should call the police and ask to speak to the manager of ohio

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I believe initially social services, but the mother's family had filed for custody.

I have wondered that as well. Now Sophia will despise her father and grandparents and uncle George.

I read somewhere that Angela's brother or brother in law has custody.

@@americanmeteoritefan9670 Somehow that's better than her own mom?

hes with mom

That's what I said! Who names a kid that? These people are seriously INBRED!

Bulvine sounds like “bovine,” which means cow, and that’s all I ever think about when I hear them say that name 😂

@@giuseppinasanger6410 it actually is bovine lol

Why would anybody name their child Bovine? Did either parent understand the word means cattle

I think I heard sometime next year

I believe that their story about worrying so much about the little girl is a massive lie because the story I heard is that they had a weed growing operation and were part of a cartel and that this was a hit ... ... and I believe it 100% . Hopefully the police and the FEDS will do some more digging so that the truth will come out because okay they were found guilty but it's not a 100% revealed why the real reason why this horror happened and the truth needs to be told

Sure did...he was a coward and hid in a bathroom vanity when he was arrested

Jake shouldn't have allowed a deal when he was the worst one.

George didn't plead guilty and agree to testify against his family members. So, no plea deal.

@@polkadots716 thanks appreciate you responding to my question.

Death penalty has now been taken off the table for George

I thought that also jingles

I would assume so. Why would the rest get the same deal if they're not coöperating?

no just jake. and then Angela was given 30 years but hers isn't final and after jake does the same in billies trial im sure Billie will get dp

Death penalty taken off IF he testifies against brother and dad in a way that suits the state.

Death penalty taken off the table for all of them as long as Jake testifies against family members and to the satisfaction of the state.