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Abt 700 years... indoctrination is a hound

How has it been so terrible? You don't know do you? You just believe anything that the left tell you to believe don't you?

@D C And receiving an inheritance and not paying lots of one's income back in loans.

And how many people have worked in coal mines in the last 30 years ?

@@jackkruese4258 It was an example, and I think you know that. Replace coal mines with farming, or fishing, or long haul truck driving or nursing or social care etc... All of them jobs with long hours, poor working conditions and/or requiring hard work, yet also all of them not well known for building large amounts of family wealth. The premise she is basing her entire argument on is that if you have money, you must have gotten it by working hard; and if you don't have money, it means you must not have worked hard at all. Those are the only two options and everyone either fits into one category or the other. It is a massive over simplification of the problem that ignores so many other important factors in an effort to justify her position.

Dont think anyone these days people work 18 hours in a coal mine not in a modern society but i totally agree with james.

@D C if everyone works "smarter" no job will be done in society.

Exactly.

Builders, carers, cab drivers, soldiers. I'm sure there's more than them who work hard and won't ever hit 7 figures.

@Lincoln D, yeah the cleaning *company* may do well for itself, but the individual staff earning minimum wage are never going to become millionaires are they.... That's the point. Cleaners, carers, people who work really hard for very low pay....it doesn't matter how hard they work at their job, they could pick up all the overtime available to them and miss all their children's birthdays and just work work work.....they're still not gonna get very far on a minimum wage are they. But you're right, there's definitely profit to be made, it just isn't distributed fairly to the people doing the brunt of the work.

@Lincoln D But running a business means you are not cleaning. You are employing cleaners (on minimum wage?) to do the actual cleaning. Show me a millionare cleaner who is doing all the cleaning themselves.

@Lincoln D not millionaire ones, like what was the original reply

Cult of celebrity or in this case cult of a dangerous narcissist.

Yes the peppa pig speech was designed and all planned out to add a smokescreen to this new policy ,Johnson knows exactly what he’s doing ,all scripted

@@TheMontyfire Yup, it's not the first time he's done this kind of thing either.

Sadly thats how it is. The right wing media and the right-wing government enable each other in one big toxic loop that eats away at the entire country and everyone in it. And the ironic bit is, it'll usually hit the ones said media have trained to bark in support of said government first. Ironic but also genuinely tragic.

are you not entertained?

@Lincoln D bet you weren't saying that when the banks were getting bailed out.

@Lincoln D we get it you don't like anything O'brien says. But pepper pigs mate, BoJo is fine. 😂

@Lincoln D How was this 'free money'? Everyone's income tax has gone up. We have inflation pushing prices up. It was something that we were all going to have to pay for. Some money was given to those who really needed it or else they wouldn't be able to keep a roof over their heads and would be out on the streets or even more reliant on benefits (i.e. this 'free money' you seem to think is being handed out). Would you rather have a society where those most in need don't receive help, or do you just feel aggrieved that we're not just chucking people out on the streets to die, cold and hungry, in the gutters?

​@Lincoln D Banks are publicly traded companies , if they fail solution is bankruptcy and all that is on the CEO and the board of directors . All savings are insured up to 100 000 , so who cares if some rich people lose some money , 99 % of people would not lose a penny , when a bank goes belly up .

@Lincoln D Define "free money"?

Its because they only think of themselves, its a Tory trait.

@@casperwallace9685 Yawn.........................................................

@@davekelley4076 Dave if you can't converse like an adult...... Don't, you just embarrass yourself.

It's poor critical thinking and generations of propaganda. The wealthy tell us they deserve and earned their position and tell us what is fair. They also have the power to influence legislation and define what is deserved and fair. If only they followed this logic through to the obvious outcome that they also have earned the equivalent penalty for the level of harm and damage they have also caused. Maybe then they would walk themselves to the inevitable guillotine.

@@josephde-haan1074 Correct the elite get taught debate and critical thinking, the poor do not. A sheep spends its entire life being told by the Shepherd to fear the wolves, only to be eaten by the shepherd in the end.

They were told by Thatcher...and they desparately want to believe.

​ Exactly in the 70's the average house was £4000 now its £266k 65 times higher due to inflation. The wages for the average person have only increased 20 times over the same period... These people haven't worked harder, they own an asset with a limited supply. Unfortunately the difference between wages and house prices will continue to grow with debt being used to buy houses and the governments money printing.

@@m_b4 Owning a house is far from the be all and end all. it's not money in the bank, you can't spend it, the best you can do is hope that you can hand it over to your children before the government steal it from you. For that, your children will be eternelly grateful, and hopefully stop crying about how unfair everything is.

@@m_b4 it was a middle class scam... and now they want to take credit. The middle and upper classes highjack everything for profit.

the house market will crash and crash hard when banks stop lending cheap money.

Talking to the living embodiment of a self righteous Guardian reader!

And how old are you? 15?

@@davekelley4076 Nah, probably just under sixty. Daily Fail is a hate-rag designed to keep old women living in fear, shame so many middle aged men fall for it, too

Typical Guardian reader BS.

No your Allegedly being influenced by a narcissistic

Its not true in any way.

You need to have bought to be smart enough to have bought, however.

@@manckrank Do you own a property. I bet you don't 🤔.

@@andrewrobinson2565 And the person with the £60,000 House voted Tory, irony.

@@mariogmajner6549 I very much doubt that but you keep on telling yourself it's true if it makes you feel better.

The truth is that someone who is working in a care home would never want to be the wealthy one who they are looking after, because there is so much more to life than assets or wealth!

This happened to my nanna and grandad, my grandad was the hardest working man I'd ever known and my nanna the hardest working woman. She had a terrible beginning and they fought every day to continue and raise their family, so did he. He worked three jobs whilst renting an allotment to grow fresh vegetables and keep animals, giving the grandchildren the most wonderful times there. When my grandad was told he had terminal cancer his daughter who was my mother, had just passed away with cancer. Right up until when it was no longer possible he worked, then took redundancy and the money he gained from that he saved for my nanny who deteriorated quickly after her daughters and eventually his, her husbands death. The money was all spent on her care because the social care system demanded it and I had very little to offer at that point which I curse myself for because if I could've done something I would, I really would. My grandad worked so hard that 4 days before he died in a hospice he was paving the pathway of the outside of the house to "make the garden nice for Nanna for when he was gone". I'm in tears typing this, he loved her so much and she loved him too, 5 am she would get up and at 6 his breakfast was prepared, she practically raised me and many other children. No one can tell me that people with less money have not worked as hard. Their house was sold eventually to pay for their care and split between the two children that survived them, I will miss them forever they made my life (which could've been entirely tragic), quite beautiful.

Pretty funny and hypocritical that the Bible preaches that one be humble even with wealth and yet so-called "Christians" will be the first ones to treat poor people badly because "they didn't work hard".

@@ryanjonathanmartin3933 Grow up for God's sake.

As I climbed up and earned more the less I have to do. I had to work much harder at my first job at McD's on £1.55 an hour

Planet privilege

@Lincoln D What has the avarage got to do with it? Plenty of properties worth a lot less. Average prices is a very flawed yard stick.

And the median?

@Lincoln D why should people pay for the poor? If you want rich to pay for it fully then remove assistant for people who can't afford it to.

@Lincoln D I paid £3,250 for my first home. We moved on a couple of times since then. My current house cost £22,000. It is now worth £650,000. I've worked sooooo hard (selling insurance) that I deserve keeping more of my money than someone who owns a £90,000 house and has paid NI and taxes all their lives.

If you have a house worth 150 thou you will save 70,000. If you own one worth 500,000 you save 420,000.simple.

@@ronniesimpson9141 Yes, that is actually it, not sure if the presenter got that fact over very well.

If I were earning a lot of money I'd vote Tory in a heartbeat so it's no wonder she voted Tory. The only sad part this is her not acknowledging how selfish she is , I would if I would her and just say I don't care. That would be the most honest position.

Ladies and gentlemen I present a brexit voter

@@angelicking2890I wouldnt vote for the Tories even if I was a millionaire as I have compassion for others. .

@@angelicking2890 well that's a bit sad. If I was well off I'd vote for the party that did right by everyone, even if I had to pay in a bit more to make that happen. A rising tide lifts all boats, which is what people who are so individualistic and self-centred seem not to realise

@@angelicking2890 I earn a lot of money and have never or ever will vote Tory

Well said, gets me mad too 👏🏻

Well it’s down to the fact that we live in a society that considers wealth accumulated to be a sign of success.

also why look down on the people who work there way up

18 hours? Luxury! Back in my day we used to work 19 hours in t'furnace. Inside it. When it was on and that. And then 14 hours down t'cyanide factory in quality control. We'd pay 128% in income tax and that's a thing. I forget what point I was making but it made more sense than that lady at least.

And the people who care for her working their fingers to the bone 🦴🦴🦴 gets 🥜🥜🥜🥜🥜 and the family who couldn't be bothered to care for her at all, gets millions for doing nothing. While she dies thinking that those hard working people weren't hard working at all, because they aren't Rich.

@@dawnmills5567 Absolutely spot on! This is exactly right and the fact that they don’t see it another example of their sheer disdain for working people. They stay rich while the poor care for them.

How is that fair? Fairest is everyone pays the same. what next, extra 25% to pay for transport if you're rich?

@@sk00p But paying in proportion to your wealth is fair. It’s why a cleaner on minimum wage pays less income tax than an architect on £150k.

@@CarlsTechShed that artitech pays more in tax, why should they have to pay more for care on top? Inheritance tax someone who has more, will lose more What would happen before was the person would slowly use all their money for care until they don't have much to give and get it free (which benifits low house priced areas more). My grandad was in the specialist bit after he fell ill, less than 1 year and was around 4k a month.

@@sk00p It’s simple economics; those who have more pay more. If, as you suggest, somebody fritters their money away and by the time they’re 70 have nothing left then yes the state pick up the bill as they would with healthcare. But if you are lucky enough to have £3 million in assets, why should you get away with paying the same for your care as the person across town who lives in an ex-council house worth £100k? The arguments you put forward were already dismissed 30 years ago when the Poll Tax (community charge) was introduced and then replaced with council tax, because asking a millionaire to pay the same £50 a week that the retired coal miner had to pay IS unfair!

@@CarlsTechShed Why are we talking the fake amounts like 3million? London's average wealth is £356,400(A), UK £172,00(B). Why should A pay more than B for the same care? The person with 3million isn't going in a care facility, they would just hire their own.

@@Craig121000 how sad that you waste your money on the Daily Mail. By buying it you are condoning it.

@@Craig121000 the cost is your integrity. Look beyond what you read

@@Craig121000 yeah of course you do,

They suffer from groupthink. Its why they are easily programmed by the right wing media companies like in the states. Utter morons.

I’ve listened to it live and obviously she isn’t that cleaver… but the only thing she could have said is “they’ve paid much less tax that I did”. In any case, I think both should pay. Just no cap. So they sell their home and once there’s no more money then it’s free. She will keep on paying

I see why she's your ex 🤣🤣🤣🤔

Fact and logic should be banned in arguments.

Homer Simpson: Bah facts, you can use facts to prove anything.

@@harveysmith100 trump would love usable idiots like you

That's your opinion >:)

You just described O'brien!

Beat me to it..but he's on the button on this occasion...so a stopped clock...😊

That's a strong opinion.

What a complete nonsense statement. Well done you.

@Lincoln D says the guy too busy commenting on every thread on a video he fiercely opposes :’)

@@twoonswig3667 I bet Lincoln is about 15 with sfa else to do.

Lisa's Pony

It's the ordinary low payed works that make these people rich. I bet she goes to Tory party conference with designer handbags & clothes and turns her noise u at ordinary people on security and things like that. She sounds like it.

i know so many people who are home owners though inheritance and yet they don't work and claim benefits.

And the person with the £60,000 House voted Tory, irony.

The rich are rich, the poor are poor. GET OVER IT.

If they bought a council home they got it for 50p.

I'm wary of automatically assuming that money printing leads to inflation because it depends what the money printed is being used for. If the BoE does a big round of QE only to purchase paper assets from big banks and investment firms then it doesn't really affect PPP, but it does inflate asset prices for the Rich. Inflation can often be better for the debtor class than the creditor class, which is why rich people hate inflation so much. It's possible to print money as long as your limit is inflation, and it's also possible to print money for the benefit of the Poor rather than the Rich. We print money but it never trickles down into ordinary people's pockets. I don't think the inflation we're seeing now is as a result of money printing because most of Covid was paid for through borrowing, not QE. Otherwise I agree with everything else in your comment.

Let's not forget that wealth generates wealth as well even without any of what you stated. Stocks for instance pay dividends such that if your fortune is big enough your fortune will simply increase at a higher rate than you can spend it. Taxes function as a wealth distributor and works against the tendency of capital to generate capital and I'd go so far as to say that it's perhaps the most important function of them. This is why it makes sense to tax capital rather than labor. Sweden has gone a route that is not working and that is that the taxes on capital has gone down overall and income taxes have gone up, this hits the working poor worst while it doesn't distribute any wealth from the big capital holders because capital holders don't gain their wealth through income, they gain it from capital growth.

You realise house prices are based on the area and what's around it.

People actually voted for this policy specifically, so you can't just blame Johnson for it. This is a British as pie and chips.

@@7ookee People also voted for Thatcher, they all deny it now, but they did.

@@abegarfield7638 And the person with the £60,000 House voted Tory, irony.

As opposed to the present, even worse situation, yes. It's a start. it's an IMPROVEMENT. You can't deny that. It's been put in place to help people.

That's cool, because it was the opposite before. Northerners assets not paying for the care and getting it free 👍

Shes the tipe that if u were trowing out a toothpaste tube squeezed to the Last shes say theres more toothpaste in there.

Voting altogether is now irrelevant, you can't change the system by playing by the systems rules, just look how the system reacted to Corbyn asking the rich to pay an extra £50 a month

@@rhodrijohn7411 precisely...yes politicians are low life, but it's ultimately the people who are to blame

Losers always say that! And then when they eventually win, they go quiet on the subject.

@@smellslikethinice1107 you ant blame people for doing what their TV tells them to do, they're not aware they're being controlled.

@@davekelley4076 winners and losers, LOL. With people like you of course the tories win. And what have you won,LOL, apart from being mouthy behind your computer.

The English electorate, is f****n dangerous in it's actions and intent.

It's frigging terrifying.

Just a few are like her, but there are many who want to be like her.

Exactly, while the masses are arguing and saying 'He doesn't deserve as much as me', it is keeping the attention away from the government just as they intended.

@@cardiffgiant9406 And the person with the £60,000 House voted Tory, irony.

Johnson cares, patil cares, gove cares, mogg cares, reab cares, and so on they all care. ABOUT THEMSELVES.

Ditto Union Activists (always pretending to represent proffessional organisations never openly admitting their massive left wing bias).

Its called entitlement.

@@manckrank what do you mean they are entitled to it or they think they are? 🤔

@@hailstone2554 They think they are. It's a sense of entitlement.

@@abegarfield7638 And the person with the £60,000 House voted Tory, irony.

Poor them, most of them will never be happy. Same as those who moan about them having loads of money! Get over it. Money isn't so important.

The lady doth protest too much, me thinks

What are you talking about? What has that got to do with this discussion?

David So sorry to hear that you lost parents when they were young. 62 is not old at all.

@@fishandchips9033 thanks, that's kind of you to say. They had a full and loving life. We all have our trials. I consider myself to have a blessed life.

Yes, people in the North loaned out their votes to Johnson at the last election. Next time they can take them back.

And also younger people to that are coming into the job market. Earning smaller amounts and trying to save for assets such as house which is basically impossible anyway

Not this nonsense trope again, most in the North of England still voted for other parties, (in 2019 62 lab/libs returned to 42 for tories across NW/NE regions) the vast vast bulk of votes for tories (like with Brexit) comes from the South, why do voters there never hold any responsibility for this shower.

Confirmation bias is a thing

Why is every solution people have is to make people with money spend more? Why should anyone pay anything for care, sounds like the NHS is responsible for the people who payed tax all their life.

Lady: Is the room airy? BF: Well it's got air in it......

Yep

Put all your assets into your kids name, as long as you live for 7 years the Government will have no claim to the estate. Syphon everything off so this parasites don’t rinse you.