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Jane Austen vs Emily Brontë: The Queens of English Literature Debate with Dominic West 

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Jane Austen created the definitive picture of Georgian England -- a landscape of Palladian mansions and handsome parsonages, peopled by rigidly-divided classes. No writer matches Austen's sensitive ear for the hypocrisy and irony lurking beneath the genteel conversation. Never has a novelist written comic prose with such subtlety and restraint. If you want to understand the early 19th century -- the power of money and inheritance, the clothes, the interior décor -- Sense and Sensibility and Pride and Prejudice are worth a dozen history books, and any number of second-rate novels by Austen's contemporaries.
That's the argument of the Janeites, but to the aficionados of Emily Brontë they are the misguided worshippers of a circumscribed mind. In Wuthering Heights, Brontë dispensed with Austen's niceties and the upper-middle class drawing rooms of Bath and the home counties. Her backdrop is the savage Yorkshire moors, her subject the all-consuming passions of the heart. The story of Heathcliff and Catherine Earnshaw is a full-blooded tale of violent attraction, thwarted love, death and the supernatural that makes Jane Austen look mundane -- and clutches at the reader's heart with a vigour and directness unmatched in English literature.
To help you decide who should be crowned queen of English letters we lined up the best advocates to make the case for each writer. They called on actors, including stars Dominic West and Sam West, to illustrate their arguments with readings from the novels.
Filmed at the Royal Geographical Society on 26th February 2014.
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@mayaluna11
@mayaluna11 7 лет назад
Austen for ME, because she mastered 3 personal passions: interpersonal psychology, iconic prose and humor. That said: Bronte was an oracle when describing the passion & rawness of the human condition. Placing them in battle is a fun exploration of literature, but it's just a tool. They dwelled in such different areas that meaningful comparison seems illogical for a reader. In my (irrelevant) case: both influenced a tomboy of color growing up in the modern American South. That power to transcend culture, era and personal reality, proves them both literary giants. I am grateful for both.
@upuliedivisekera6779
@upuliedivisekera6779 3 года назад
yes! the comparison is almost pointless, they are chalk and cheese, and both equally valuable.
@pereiraplaza222
@pereiraplaza222 3 года назад
Try Portrait of a lady by Henry James. It's even better.
@mayaluna11
@mayaluna11 3 года назад
@@pereiraplaza222 Yes! The dark tension between Gilbert & Isabel is so well written it grabs you no matter how many times you read it.
@pereiraplaza222
@pereiraplaza222 3 года назад
@@mayaluna11 Yes and the poor 2 guys desperately in love with Isabel, knowing they'll never have her... Although the ending leaves space for interpretation.
@ramonarosario6299
@ramonarosario6299 Год назад
I love, love how you articulated the seemingly paradoxical ideas here that it is both unnecessary and worthwhile to spend time, talent and wit comparing these two authors. My first reflex was to dismiss this preposterous comparison of two excellent artists and my second thought was, well, if we were never to propose such a comparison, there would be very little that is interesting to converse about. My reconsideration came about when I realized I was greatly enjoying this performance.
@rhondaneuhaus1596
@rhondaneuhaus1596 5 лет назад
Persuasion by Austen is a gripping novel in that the heroine sees the love of her life slipping away and the hope of a marriage of lovers gone forever. It breaks my heart. The ending sends you to the moon in happiness. Who can write words that take you on such a trip?
@kellynch
@kellynch 3 года назад
Wentworth's letter to Anne is achingly beautiful.
@kellynch
@kellynch 3 года назад
@@homediva5689 How anyone can say that Austen's characters aren't passionate is beyond me. OK. Darcy isn't. His 2nd proposal sounds almost like a business deal. But men like Wentworth and Brandon simply ooze passion.
@neetadsouza7870
@neetadsouza7870 3 года назад
Persuasion gives me false hope :,)
@voulafisentzidis8830
@voulafisentzidis8830 2 года назад
Persuasion is my favourite of all her books. It's heartbreaking to feel as Anne must feel throughout the novel and her healing and joy in the way it ended. My favourite part is when it's referenced that men do the writing and when they leave they have much to do so have no time to look back. Whereas women, at a time in history when they didn't work, had only time to ponder and re-visit past hurts. Glorious.
@baku2461
@baku2461 2 года назад
@@voulafisentzidis8830 persuasion is my favourite also. I had read Pride and Prejudice several times, had tried and failed to get through Emma and then picked up Persuasion and devoured it quicker than any other book. It was wonderful.
@TheWriterWalker
@TheWriterWalker 5 лет назад
I love his conclusion, which begins at 1:43:44 and ends with a marvelous sentiment that sums up my feelings: You can compare and contrast geniuses all day long, but in the end, we're fortunate to have any at all.
@silviamartinelli6848
@silviamartinelli6848 4 года назад
Yes, that's the whole point.
@panchitaobrian1660
@panchitaobrian1660 3 дня назад
Bronte is acclaimed as genius purely from a traditional standpoint. Modern reader has a lot to learn about human nature in Austen´s books and a lot to learn about the literary style of romatism from Bronte´s novel
@TheWriterWalker
@TheWriterWalker 3 дня назад
@@panchitaobrian1660 I love your comment.
@XtremeKaiba
@XtremeKaiba 7 лет назад
I like both, Jane is light and happy, Emily is torment and storm. You can not have light without darkness, you can not have darkness without light. They are like vanilla and chocolate ice cream, both taste different but both are ice cream, delightful and I will not choose between them, but enjoy both.
@marinazagrai1623
@marinazagrai1623 5 лет назад
Jane is not light at all. She constantly brings up the nature of marriage for money (how 1st cousins were intended to marry...eww; the eldest children were meant to ensure that the parents or, at least the mother and any children would be taken care of [as a roof over their heads] in case the father would die). Watch Pride & Prejudice, and you pick new details after viewing it a few times. Really, not sarcastic.
@cassieearle9196
@cassieearle9196 4 года назад
Jane's writing is in direct rejection of the Gothic novels of her time i.e Byron. Her writings reward those who do not fall to baseless passion. that said her romantic heroes still follow the path of love and marriage for love. a concept pretty uncommon in her time. The real art in her writing though is her sarcastic wit in criticizing British hierarchy and aristocracy. plus her dialogue is just amazing and so real like the gentlemen said.
@lizzy-wx4rx
@lizzy-wx4rx 4 года назад
This is an over-generalization. Sense and Sensibility, not discussed here at all, has much more light and shade than Austen's other novels, which is why it's my favorite, even though it's not as brilliantly witty as P&P (which I also love, as it is delightful). The second time I read S&S was right after a breakup, and it was emotionally devastating. It's also the least to do with 'courtship and marriage' of all her novels, it's much more about the sisters, their relationship, and growing up.
@bobstrong7117
@bobstrong7117 4 года назад
Emma
@TheTwara
@TheTwara 4 года назад
Yes, there is a lot of dark in Mansfield Park and Persuasion too. Just how unkind the world can be.
@analemos2327
@analemos2327 4 года назад
When I was younger, I preferred Bronte's novel because everything sounded more vivid and passionate, but as the years went by, I began to enjoy Austen's stories more and more, particularly her latest works. Beneath all that comedy, impeccable settings, sugary words and apparent happy endings, we sometimes overlook how brilliant she was in everything else: her social critique, how she tackled difficult topics with apparent levity, her disenchanted view of the world... The more I know of Jane Austen, the more I appreciate her work. Bronte imprinted her youth and vigor in her writing, but Austen is more mature and subtle... and yet, we can still feel there's a strong pulse behind it all, someone who desperately needs to live beyond her own confinement. Mrs. Smith, the sickly widow in Persuasion is perhaps the character that represents her best: someone who has lived in the world long enough to understand how people around her think and feel, who sees and suffers injustice, who is confined because of sickness and poverty, all the while depending on the charity of others, and still someone who finds comfort in the little things that other people never fully appreciate.
@rogerpropes7129
@rogerpropes7129 3 года назад
I think the enjoyment and understanding of a novel depends on how old you are when you read it. I read WH three times separated by many years and enjoyed it more each time. It has been called both the greatest love story and the greatest novel written by a woman. (As a man I liked 'War and Peace' more, but WH second of all the classic 19th century novels I have read.)
@glenbe4026
@glenbe4026 2 года назад
Growing up, I have always been a voracious reader, but I tended to stick to specific genres, SciFi/Fantasy/Adventure/Western/Horror/Thriller/Crime etc. I was forced to read WH at school and I absolutely detested it. At the same time i started reading Jane Austen after i saw the 1996 movie of Emma and Jane Austen became one of favourite authors.
@SouthCountyGal
@SouthCountyGal 2 года назад
I think it's unfair to pit these two authors against each other. The brilliance of Emily Bronte's writing is its emotion. She evokes ambiance and primal feelings. For all that it tends to appeal to adolescents, it is an incredibly sophisticated novel. I don't re-read it often (about once every 15 years) because it is exhausting; my accumulated life experience causes me to see the characters' toxicity and despair more clearly each time. Jane Austen's brilliance is cerebral. Her deftness of language requires her readers to work a little harder than usual to pinpoint evidence of her characters' emotions. I can re-read her books every few years and delight in something new each time. If these two were painters, Emily Bronte would be committing bold colors to the canvas with a palette knife, while Jane Austen would be creating an intricate tableau with a million tiny dots.
@Herm7es
@Herm7es Год назад
Ana, You write: "The more I know of Jane Austen, the more I appreciate her work. Bronte imprinted her youth and vigor in her writing, but Austen is more mature and subtle..." This is undoubtedly true - though though it seems just a little unfair, probably the inevitable result of a comparison between a writer with a single great novel and a small volume of poems pieced together by her sister after her death with a writer who wrote many novels and had eleven more years of life to write them in: Emily died at aged 30; Jane was 41.
@joyceburns1643
@joyceburns1643 Год назад
1:20:51
@Saphire5742
@Saphire5742 10 лет назад
I am so happy I came across this debate. Admittedly I am more of an Austen fan, but I now have more of an appreciation for both writers. Also the actors were brilliant.
@jacksonrichardson7831
@jacksonrichardson7831 8 лет назад
I was very irritated by the repeated sneer that Austen was only “romantic” because all her novels end with marriage. She is the very opposite of romantic and merciless in probing the shortcomings of marriage. In that very lecture we saw the scene between Mr and Mrs Bennet, in which his early romantic attraction has given way to the awareness he has married a very silly woman. On the other hand Bronte strikes me as all that is wrong with romanticism: the principal criterion for judgement is intensity of feeling, to the extent to making an abusive sadist a hero.
@scilines
@scilines 8 лет назад
Astute observation.
@Peabody6517
@Peabody6517 8 лет назад
agreed
@ameliaram9820
@ameliaram9820 8 лет назад
Jackson Richardson, "making an abusive sadist a hero" that is also known as creating an antihero and of course there is nothing 'unromantic' about an antihero.
@lisellesloan3191
@lisellesloan3191 7 лет назад
Yes, as Amy Ram mentions, he was an antihero, not a hero, and this is part of makes "Wuthering Heights" so iconic: it did not have a focus on a conventional hero or heroine. By the way, you have misspelled "judgment."
@juanmorata8851
@juanmorata8851 7 лет назад
They don't mean "romantic". They mean Romantic, the philosophical and artistic movement that took place roughly around 1790-1832, the period during which Austen and Bronte were writing. Bronte's work was much more Romantic (not romantic, which has to do with love and idealism), meaning that she was much more interested in making the reader sympathize with flawed, even villainous, characters. In very rough terms, Romanticism had to do with the importance of the individual, freedom, and feeling, while Austen was more of a Neoclassicist, which stressed the importance of poise and elegance. There are certainly Romantic features about Austen, but Bronte was more of a full blown Romantic. That's what they mean when they say Romantic.
@samrudhik8757
@samrudhik8757 3 года назад
It's a pity that Austen passed away when Charlotte Bronte, one of her most condescending and vocal critics, was only a year old. The acclaim that women's literature started getting after Austen, made way for future female writers and the Bronte sisters are beneficiaries of that. To demean Austen's works as "simply romantic," as was repeated annoyingly enough in this video shows a decided lack of understanding of the period and her writing. She had an uncanny ability to make the readers feel intensely despite seemingly commonplace plots.. the Bronte sisters on the other hand depended upon intense plots to evoke that. Both are great styles of storytelling. Austen's magic was that she made the ordinary extraordinary and I for one am glad to be part of the global Janeite community.
@lalaholland5929
@lalaholland5929 3 года назад
Beautifully put Samrudhi. The romantic opinion was once mine. But, i was corrected while at university.
@theculturedbumpkin
@theculturedbumpkin 3 года назад
Well said! So am I!
@_Sakidora_
@_Sakidora_ 3 года назад
A bigger problem is the idea that to be romantic, simple or not, is a flaw or something to be dismissed or that love stories exist independent of all other considerations such as money or morality. It's equally amusing to see all those Austen scholars say their literary heroine wasn't romantic and didn't write write love stories, as if admitting she did makes her a Regency Barbara Cartland. Anyone who has read Persuasion and not seen it as a love story wasn't paying attention or has a heart of stone.
@samrudhik8757
@samrudhik8757 3 года назад
@@_Sakidora_ very well put! I wish that's a dynamic I addressed in my comment as well. I was just so put off by the borderline condescending way (at least that's how I saw it) in which they addressed Austen's work sometimes that I became a little defensive. While there is a common element of romance in Austen's work, it's not just that and neither is it cheesy. You mentioned Persuasion which is my favourite of her works because it is about second chances and people overcoming their flaws and prejudices to finally acknowledge their feelings. It's certainly a romantic genre at the heart of it and there is nothing to defend in that.
@_Sakidora_
@_Sakidora_ 3 года назад
@@samrudhik8757 I definitely understand your defensiveness. So much fiction written by women is dismissed, often by women themselves, as are women's interests. Love stories are something trivial to be ignored and derided as the work of silly women writing for other women or pandering to the patriarchy or traditional gender roles or whatever nonsense is used currently to dismiss anything romantic or related to issues which concern women the most. Of course there have been much more perceptive men, such as Kipling or the Janeites, soldiers who read Austen's work to take their mind away from the horrors of WW1, who valued her work as more than just 'escapism' (as if that's a bad thing in itself), but the prejudice stubbornly remains. Persuasion is my favourite of hers too.
@johnking1868
@johnking1868 7 лет назад
What a wonderfully entertaining way of spending nearly 2 hours.
@ladylucy780
@ladylucy780 9 лет назад
I just have to say, that even if I like the Brontes better than Austen, I would have voted for Austen on this one, because the of the John Mullan. He was so fantastic here, I'm going to buy that book that he wrote about Jane Austen
@kerriejohnson983
@kerriejohnson983 3 года назад
Greetings, my dear friends! Today I wanted to release a new video, but something went wrong. Many videos did not want to open during installation. Ultimately, it was missing large parts of the video. And I made a decision that I do not want to show you bad work. I want you to say "wow" after every video. I hope you can understand me. Thank you for staying to watch me, no matter what! Take care of yourself. Sincerely, Victor!
@cosmo9287
@cosmo9287 10 лет назад
Bravo to all on the stage! What a great evening of entertainment and education. Thank you
@abhishektodmal1914
@abhishektodmal1914 2 года назад
As a lover of novels, and literature, this was an absolute treat and pleasure to watch. The actors were simply stunning with their recitals, and both the debatees were a credit to the sides they were representing! Thoroughly enjoyable. Thanks so much for having this! :)
@kamanda42
@kamanda42 3 года назад
I just want to say, I cannot recommend highly enough the book A Jane Austen Education, by William Deresiewicz. He does an incredible job of analyzing and explaining the deeper lessons in Jane Austen's writing, and exposing the powerful emotions. Once you look at her works in that light, you no longer see them as "romance novels", where the only goal and happy ending is marriage. There's so much more to her than that.
@amazingandrea9983
@amazingandrea9983 2 года назад
Thank you! Am dashing to the library to get it now!
@amazingandrea9983
@amazingandrea9983 2 года назад
Just got it from the library! Cant wait to dive in!! Thxxxx
@SyD961
@SyD961 Год назад
Thank you for the recommendation
@danielabattistella7876
@danielabattistella7876 Год назад
Yes, I picked it up in a bookstore in Portland and now read it at least once a year. Deresiewicz does a wonderful job of distilling the deep wisdom inside Jane Austen's deceptively light stories.
@thomasengqvist
@thomasengqvist 7 лет назад
Very interesting debate! I understand the comparison between Emily Brontë's Wuthering Heights and Jane Austen's greater works but I do not get the point the competition since both were geniuses. It is impossible and unnecessary to find out who was the better genius since it is a matter of taste whether one prefers Bach, Beethoven or Mozart. It is like comparing a flute with a trumphet in the orchestra of life.
@yashguptakinjalk1732
@yashguptakinjalk1732 7 лет назад
Thomas Engqvist baap re...itni gehrai
@TheWriterWalker
@TheWriterWalker 5 лет назад
Wonderful way to put it, Mr. Engqvist.
@sojournsmythe7627
@sojournsmythe7627 5 лет назад
i agree, but these types of things are enjoyable as well as learning opportunities
@carmenvelarde8400
@carmenvelarde8400 5 лет назад
I didn’t view this video as a “competition” as much as a reflection of both novelists’ styles and experience of life during their time.
@dianewalker9154
@dianewalker9154 4 года назад
While it is set up as a competition, it’s really just a fun platform for engaging a knowledgeable discussion of two authors. It is fun to compare and contrast authors from similar periods.
@PaulaBill1
@PaulaBill1 5 лет назад
Jane Austen hands down. Bronte's novel is brilliant but it is a one off and it does not have the wit and the piercing intelligence that one sees in Austen's novels. Austen's characters, like Shakespeare's, reveal all of man's foibles, strengths, weaknesses, charm, intelligence, folly, tragedy, etc. There is so much depth in Austen's novels, especially when taken as a whole body of work. As John Mullan noted, there is not just one novel to assess Austen's brilliance. Bronte's work is a love story with underlying themes, brilliantly realized, but it does not transcend centuries in the way Austen's work does. Austen's work is universal and timeless. Bronte's work is stuck in the 19th century with it's Romantic Period themes. If there had been no Jane Austen, it makes you wonder if there would have been the Bronte sisters. She paved the way for women novelists throughout the 19th century and onward with her genius.
@sarahpena9501
@sarahpena9501 4 года назад
I think the same
@nalinimenon641
@nalinimenon641 4 года назад
Nineveh
@emilycox6560
@emilycox6560 4 года назад
Whilst I agree with most of your points. Brontë was dead by the time she was 30 so didn’t have much opportunity to write many novels. Her life was so depressingly tragic, she probably couldn’t muster the comedy of Austen.
@diogenes3300
@diogenes3300 4 года назад
I agree. This comparison simply makes no sense! They are both women and they wrote English books. The similarities end there. A more interesting debate would have been Austen VS Shakespeare.
@art.in.aarti.
@art.in.aarti. 4 года назад
Its one off because she died. Death does that to plans.
@ilovenature9077
@ilovenature9077 2 года назад
Emily is for those with great emotionality, for those who love Nature even in its threatening aspects, for those who understand the underground depth of the human heart. Emily is for unconventional people, as was she. I love you Emily!
@animalsarebeautifulpeople3094
@animalsarebeautifulpeople3094 8 месяцев назад
Emily isn't grounded in the depth of human nature itself but driven by flights of fancy by a very imaginative but inexperienced mind. That's why in the end her novel rings hollow. True depth comes from understanding the hypocritical sordidness of human nature.
@manjirabanerjee7169
@manjirabanerjee7169 2 года назад
No comparison should be there between those impeccable storytellers .I salute them.
@dalexixdramirez3965
@dalexixdramirez3965 2 года назад
Hace muchísimos años; cuando en el colegio religioso nos prohibían leer, incluso diarios y revistas. Mi madre viuda de 28 años de edad, vino a visitarme al internado. Salimos a recorrer las calles de Lima, y noté que tenía un libro en su cartera. Ella se dio cuenta de mi interés y me lo alcanzó, diciéndome: «Me lo han obsequiado como una propuesta de amistad..., pero nunca pude pasar del 1er capitulo.» Llegamos a la casa de una tía y salieron a realizar compras. En ese lapso, leí los tres primeros capítulos y quedé impactado. Tenía once años de edad y era la primera vez que leía algo. Tuve que esperar cerca de treinta años, para comprarlo y terminar de leerlo; porque no recordaba el nombre de la autora y menos el título. En una feria de libros, preguntando a vendedores expertos y con la anuencia de ojearlos lo encontré. Era "Cumbres Borrascosas" de Emily Bronte.
@MdmLuna
@MdmLuna 4 года назад
This man made me undust my Austen books! ❤ Persuasion hello old friend!
@BestGirlProductions
@BestGirlProductions 6 лет назад
The first half of WUTHERING HEIGHTS does not take place in Victorian times as the Bronte advocate says. Also, she misses the fact that while a moody and atmospheric novel, there are funny parts in it (that often go unnoticed). Also, super important is the fact that the two narrators are both unreliable so the reader must read between the lines--an element that further makes the book unique and way ahead of its time. The Bronte advocate misses the point about Austen too. The topic of marriage is more about survival than finding a "happy ever after" in a frivolous way. Why she wants to diss Austen for this is odd since WUTHERING HEIGHTS ends with a happy ever after marriage.
@glen7318
@glen7318 4 года назад
None of Wuth Heights takes place in Victorian times.. its contemporary with much of Austen's early work which she wrote in the late 18th Century
@heatheralice89
@heatheralice89 Год назад
Yes, very correct!
@guinnberger2681
@guinnberger2681 8 лет назад
This was very enjoyable! The actors were exceptional, and added such nuance to the excerpts they read. The debaters were also very persuasive. So well done! As to the relative value of the two authors, I can only say they are both unique! No one does what Jane Austen did better than she, and likewise, Emily Brontë was one of a kind who drew a vivid response from her readers, unlike that which anyone had done before. I deeply admire both. But I must say: Wuthering Heights exhausts me! I've read it and re-read it, but it wrings me out and leaves me feeling battered emotionally. I must be in a certain mood before I dare approach it, as the debater said who argued on behalf of Jane Austen, because by the end of reading Wuthering Heights you're going to be in that mood, like it or not. With Jane Austen, I can pick up one of her novels while in a rotten mood, but by the end I'll definitely feel better. That is the totally selfish and wimpy reason I much prefer to read Jane Austen.
@g.moeller308
@g.moeller308 8 лет назад
What is the rationale for feeling obligated to read an author who emotionally batters you? Isn't that the equivalent of remaining in an abusive relationship? Authors are free to write whatever they please. They have every right to produce an emotionally and even spiritually abusive product if they choose. In like fashion, I am under no obligation to read such literature and will not do so if it does not please me.
@sarahburden7966
@sarahburden7966 4 года назад
@@g.moeller308 it's about more than pleasure, Wuthering heights is frustrating, and emotionally draining but at the same time I am taken by how a writer can hold that power. How an atmosphere of intrigue and exhaustion can be created with such unlikeable characters, it's magic.
@juanvelez8564
@juanvelez8564 3 года назад
"Totally selfish and wimpy"? You must have very low self-esteem. It's called "CIVILIZED."
@nora22000
@nora22000 2 года назад
Guinn Berger I thoroughly disliked 'Wuthering Heights' as it seemed to be a wringing-out of the bitterness of Emily Bronte's dispiriting social status. I much preferred her sister, Charlotte Bronte, because her books were slightly less caustic but just as poignant. I felt similarly about Jane Austen as Charlotte Bronte, and think they would have made a better comparison, quite frankly.
@voulafisentzidis8830
@voulafisentzidis8830 2 года назад
@@nora22000 I agree. Jane Eyre was my favourite Cinderella-type story, until I grew up and realised that Edward Rochester was a selfish git. Jane, on the other hand, was amazing in her strength, moral fibre, and ability to survive with her integrity intact.
@yargoook3802
@yargoook3802 6 лет назад
I've never read a so-called romance novel in my life, but Wuthering Heights caught me and held me, surprised me and then absolutely blew me away. And has continued to do so in readings over the past 20 years.
@animalsarebeautifulpeople3094
@animalsarebeautifulpeople3094 8 месяцев назад
It's actually a comedy. If you understand that then you understand emily
@kasialeparska2480
@kasialeparska2480 4 года назад
Although I ADORE both authors, for me Ms. Austen holds my ❤️ forever! Loved the readings by my favorite actors too! Thank you!💖💖💖💖
@kotugirl
@kotugirl 7 лет назад
Austen readers didn't do justice to the text excerpts as they were unable to control their own emotions (amusement/laughing/giggling) during the dramatic reading during the coach ride. Austen is not only about marriage - it is about behaviour the melodrama of human self denial and self misunderstanding.
@belllarosa
@belllarosa 6 лет назад
Give me dark, gothic, depressive, morbid tone of the Bronte sisters any day and I'm happy! ❤️❤️❤️
@jessica_jam4386
@jessica_jam4386 5 лет назад
Bella Umbrellla yes! This comment section seems to be full of people hating on the Brontes and it makes me sad. I still love Jane Austen, don’t get me wrong. But Jane Eyre and Wuthering Heights are both amazing in my mind. I love the atmospheres of both.
@StellaWaldvogel
@StellaWaldvogel 5 лет назад
Yes! And Villette - sad ending, just like much of life. Absolute masterworks.
@markfurnell6748
@markfurnell6748 4 года назад
I simply cannot imagine anything more beautiful than Jane Eyre. Anna Karenina is a work of genius...as is Jane Eyre. But Jane Eyre moves me to tears. And the beauty of her writing....simply breathtaking!!!
@jas1049
@jas1049 4 года назад
Stella Waldvogel Yes Villette, what a masterpiece. People overlook Villette all the time, but is a fabulous novel and certainly up there with Wuthering Heights and Jane Eyre. I think Wuthering Heights, of all novels I have read, had perhaps the most visceral impact on me. It caused me to read all of the other novels by the Brontes. Raw genius. Love them, love them.
@jimin585
@jimin585 4 года назад
3 sisters vs 1 is not fair....emily vs jane only
@margaretgonzalez9093
@margaretgonzalez9093 3 года назад
It's been a long time since I have enjoyed an intellectual debate this much. I am motivated to read the works all over again with a new point of view . Thank you very much for this enlightening event
@sandilemadlala
@sandilemadlala 10 лет назад
The splendour of english literature is its luxury of formidable writers whom became custodians of word artistry even for literature written in other languages. what a riveting debate! Awesome.
@TheChannelofaDisappointedMan
@TheChannelofaDisappointedMan 5 лет назад
Whom! Wrong. School ypurself.
@TheLightofAniu
@TheLightofAniu 7 лет назад
I think both writers are greatest in their fields - Emily Bronte, with just a single novel made something absolutely fantastic, headstrong and disturbing in every way; whereas Austen wrote some very humorous social commentary, especially about the storm business of courtship. They are the best at what they do. I am always a die hard Austen fan, but I also love the book Wuthering Heights - which I think is miles better than Jane Eyre. Wuthering Heights is unsettling and very strong in its imagery. I love it all - whereas Austen makes me feel a lot of things; the books make me feel very passionately about courtship and the very nature of love and how very easily some people can be manipulated by their feelings.
@marinazagrai1623
@marinazagrai1623 5 лет назад
With the Bronte sisters, the heaths are central to their stories...and, they're written further into the stern era of Vicky! You know, what I mean (nothing wrong with that); for me, the moors setting is really depressing. I am absolutely a huge fan of Austen's; and not because they end in the typical success of getting married (esp. to a rich man). She was satirical, to a point, of the aristocracy (Liz would not have married, or thought of Darcy in a romantic or even fond way) which I know dates back centuries (writers had to be careful how they expressed their satire). Love, love, love Jane Austen. I am sure she would have been shocked and pleased how we all enjoy her creations!
@rogerpropes7129
@rogerpropes7129 2 года назад
​@@marinazagrai1623 Austen deserves credit for her originality--she and Walter Scott invented the modern English novel--but her books are plain vanilla whereas Emily Bronte's is Rocky Road with chunks of dark chocolate, (lol). WH is one of the very few perfect classic novels, along with 'War and Peace', 'Madame Bovary', 'Silas Marner', 'David Copperfield', and 'Henry Esmond'. Read WH again, dissect the interlocking parts of the nested narratives, plot the 1700s timeline, and appreciate the happy ending for the second generation Cathy Linton and Hareton Earnshaw. 'Jane Eyre' is almost perfect except for the implausible random coincidence of the last section where she travels destitute halfway across England and faints in front of the house of her--own unknown cousins!.
@marinazagrai1623
@marinazagrai1623 2 года назад
@@rogerpropes7129 I didn’t imply Austen is the best, just the later 19th century is depressing to me. Women novelists of the era depict subjects that men can’t in the same way. I happen to have an arts degree, nothing fancy, in which I had to take a lot of lit classes…and I chose Brit lit so I learned to dissect novels of any era. I am not a fan of the romantic period. Austen was mostly in the Classical period.
@murielbaith5445
@murielbaith5445 Год назад
I didn't care for Jane Eyre at 13, but at 16 I tried again and was immersed in it.
@murielbaith5445
@murielbaith5445 Год назад
Over all I prefer Austen. I can barely live through all of the emotion and bad behavior and bad choices of the characters in Wuthering Heights. As another commenter said, I have to be in the mood for that.
@lisellesloan3191
@lisellesloan3191 7 лет назад
Those "Wuthering Heights" actors are so splendid here! They brought me to tears, which is a rare thing in a movie or play. They are both great writers, but I definitely agree that Emily Bronte is greater--she really moved the novel forward as an art form.
@heathers8826
@heathers8826 5 лет назад
Jane Austen all the way. I have studied both authors and have read most of their books (referring to Austen), but my mind had been made up long ago because of her humor, compassion, and subtle way of poking fun of her society.
@4thlinemaniac356
@4thlinemaniac356 Год назад
There is a term for that Cognitive Dissonance.
@loomystar
@loomystar 6 лет назад
I love English Literature
@hydrolito
@hydrolito 4 года назад
My wife said Don Quixote was better in Spanish than the English translation. I wouldn't know poquito espanol.
@nutauf7587
@nutauf7587 3 года назад
Austen, Austen, Austen. The characters are so varied, so full, so recognisable. Her writing witty, gripping, intelligent. Austen hands down!
@Djinnk042
@Djinnk042 4 года назад
Wasn't Austen's Northanger Abbey a satire/parody of gothic fiction? I'm sure this kind of debate had been going on before even then, but with other gothic writers in her lifetime.
@_Sakidora_
@_Sakidora_ 3 года назад
It was also a defence of them.
@davidscott129
@davidscott129 7 лет назад
The whole idea of competitive ratings between two great authors bothers me. I have both on my bookshelves. It seems that this premise was used to stimulate a discussion, which is a worthy objective, but the idea that one's better then the other is pernicious. Celebrate them both.
@jesseward568
@jesseward568 6 лет назад
It's not pernicious to say that one is better than another. Some things are better than other things and it's a worthwhile discussion because it's worth assessing the value of each in comparison. In this case, Emily Bronte is obviously better.
@TheMangoDeluxe
@TheMangoDeluxe 10 лет назад
Why, when allowed to ask questions, do so many people refuse to do so and instead give their opinion?
@EricaShady10171972
@EricaShady10171972 10 лет назад
because people are more interested in hearing their opinion than someone's elses. :-)
@sams6306
@sams6306 7 лет назад
Couldn't agree more! Also: any man who proudly announces he is not in need of a microphone is always, always in need of a microphone
@TheChannelofaDisappointedMan
@TheChannelofaDisappointedMan 5 лет назад
Go to any academic conference and hear "questions" that consist solely of an exhibition of the "questioners" knowledge.
@kahkah1986
@kahkah1986 4 года назад
Jane Austen would have had a field day about that. Emily Bronte, not so much.
@StephShrubb
@StephShrubb 10 лет назад
All the "don't know" people were Bronte fans trolling.
@BeingMartian
@BeingMartian 9 лет назад
I don't know where the people who said Brontë is more famous abroad than Austen are gathering their information from. How about you ask a real foreigner about that? The truth is, people in Asia, especially those who are in my age group (20 something) and younger, don't read classic english novels that much, and yet people know who Jane Austen is. As for Emily Brontë, I didn't even know she was the arthur of Wurthering Heights until today (thought it was Charlotte Brontë) and I'm actually the lone few that read lots of classic novels. There would have been more of a debate if it were Jane Austen vs. Charlotte Brontë, in my opinion, because Jane Eyre is a very popular novel. But I will choose Austen every time, because she's the only author I've ever wanted to read through all her works simply because I was hooked to one.
@anaelisa6893
@anaelisa6893 9 лет назад
GoYankeeBioHazard I totally agree. It's the same thing here in Brazil.
@profd65
@profd65 6 лет назад
Who cares what the opinion of an Asian is?
@trannguyen-po2ng
@trannguyen-po2ng 6 лет назад
Well in Vietnam Wuthering Heights is spectacularly popular, especially with my parents generation. Now Jane Austen is more famous among the young because of all the movies & tv but everybody knows of WH
@RebeccaNeffati
@RebeccaNeffati 4 года назад
Wow this was a great debate! I was absolutely moved to tears by the Wuthering Heights argument. John Mullan showed a wonderful side to Jane Austen that I have to admit I never thought of, and now I want to go back and read some more of her work as I have never really been a true fan. I tend to lean more into the darker gothic writing of the Brontes. I felt Kate Mosse summed it up beautifully when she said Wuthering Heights is a complete story that cannot be extended nor shortened. It is exactly how it should be and to me will always be the most perfect novel ever written.
@Ailorn
@Ailorn 4 года назад
I read Persuasion for the first time recently and there is a lot there. It's very subtle. I strongly recommend that one. There's passion and regret but it's held back by guilt. Anne Elliot is a much more mature and passionate character than Austen's other leads. Captain Wentworth is also likable because he's trying to forget his broken heart and anger, but is still compassionate. I really enjoyed Karen Savage's reading of it.
@coloraturaElise
@coloraturaElise 7 месяцев назад
Do read John Mullan's books on Austen, because he is just as wonderful a guide to her in print as he is here in person. One is "What Matters in Jane Austen?"
@val.2328
@val.2328 8 лет назад
How could a writer be so clueless to the point of saying that Jane Austen is "confined"?? My gosh! Jane Austen's text's filled with irony, and even its "prince charming happy end" she talked about is ironical (if you really peel the layers)... It broadens itself everytime you read it. It's a very good debate, though :) I really liked it.
@juanvelez8564
@juanvelez8564 3 года назад
Ausen had a brain. Bronte had a ... I'll say "gut."
@michaelgould6842
@michaelgould6842 8 лет назад
To be honest you would put up Charlotte rather than Emily against Jane. Jane wrote more and better novels and so would win. Though Jane Eyre v Pride and Predjudice would be the ultimate heavyweight championship.
@AleksandarBloom
@AleksandarBloom 7 лет назад
If there is one good book written by a female it's Emily's.
@profd65
@profd65 6 лет назад
Jane Austen wrote better novels than Emily Bronte? That's horseshit. I'd rather read the phone book than another Jane Austen novel.
@TheEntilza
@TheEntilza 6 лет назад
Poor George Eliot gets no appreciation in these debates.
@SnowSNS11
@SnowSNS11 6 лет назад
I love Jane austen's simple yet complicated style, I've never read anything like it. Each time I read it, it just get better. There are times I'm terribly confused, but i do notice Jane's excellence in dialogue; I never knew before her that you can make something simple and even daily events so exciting and complicated; I'm never the same since. Now, I look at my day anticipating events enthusiastically. I know I can make this day great to the simple things and struggles. I just couldn't expressed how much I like her books, especially Emma.
@SnowSNS11
@SnowSNS11 6 лет назад
I think it is requirement to be patient when reading Jane Austen. Or perhaps any classics (or contemporaries too) really. It's just one need an appreciation with the simple things, and read between the lines. Though I do not compare them; they're equally geniuses. I supposed it's a matter of taste. Or mood?
@gordonpepper1400
@gordonpepper1400 3 года назад
This was so very good! But how can we ensure to have more productions like this for all to see and experience? This debate opened my eyes to not only the brilliance of these two authors, but perhaps more importantly, it showcased how best to use platforms like RU-vid, etc. for artistic objectives.
@Katherine_The_Okay
@Katherine_The_Okay 6 лет назад
Personally, I enjoy both writers, depending on my mood but, to me, Austen will always be the best. If you think that the Bronte sisters wrote on more serious subjects than Jane Austen did, or that Austen is all about balls and drawing rooms, you haven't been reading closely enough. She deals with premarital sex (Pride and Prejudice), unwed motherhood (Sense and Sensibility), emotional abuse (Mansfield Park), infidelity (again, Mansfield Park), forbidden romance (Emma, Sense and Sensibility, Persuasion), and the consequences of choosing a partner unwisely (every bloody thing she ever wrote, lol). She writes about good people, terrible people, and people never forced to chose between good and evil; she writes about good decisions, bad decisions, and every kind of decision in between. She writes about knowing when to stand on your convictions and knowing when to bend. The difference is that she doesn't need to beat you over the head with misery to get her point across. Plus, unlike anything by the Bronte's that I've ever read, Jane Austen knows how to make a reader smile and even laugh in a way that the Brontes and their misery porn never really could.
@jessica_jam4386
@jessica_jam4386 5 лет назад
You literally just referred to the Brontes as “misery porn”. This is the most depressing internet comment I’ve seen today, congratulations.
@cassieearle9196
@cassieearle9196 4 года назад
@@jessica_jam4386 i mean she has a point.
@jessica_jam4386
@jessica_jam4386 4 года назад
cassie earle I’m sorry I just disagree. I love Jane Austen and Emily and Charlotte Bronte, calling the Brontes writing “misery porn” is just as dismissive and simplistic a criticism as the og commented mentioned people claiming Jane Austen only writes about going to balls and getting married. You don’t have to like it, we all have our personal preferences of course, but some people are going to really find that kind of critique lame.
@LovelyDay11
@LovelyDay11 3 года назад
Kat K Austen maybe knows how to make a reader smile or even laugh but doesn’t know how to make them feel. And feel in a good way.
@Katherine_The_Okay
@Katherine_The_Okay 3 года назад
@@LovelyDay11 Speak for yourself. I'll never fail to feel sympathy for Anne Elliot as she watches the man she loves court another woman (one she knows will make him miserable), or for Fanny Price as she is abused, manipulated, and gaslit by the family members she should be able to trust and rely on.
@lasalleman
@lasalleman 10 лет назад
Wuthering Heights is a pretty violent novel. I can understand Heathcliff's character. Essentially abandoned as a child, lost the only father he had, looked down upon. I can see how he could become so violent. But he goes off the deep end. Too violent for me.
@StellaWaldvogel
@StellaWaldvogel 5 лет назад
That's the idea. Sometimes people DO go off the deep end. Heathcliff wasn't intended to be 100% palatable. He's an antihero.
@kathrinlindern2697
@kathrinlindern2697 3 года назад
@@StellaWaldvogel He's the villain by the latter half of the book. Not necessarily a bad thing as the novel goes, but I at least gradually lost sympathy and simply wanted to strangle him. He was abusive towards children for the "crimes" their parents committed against him, paying back what he had to "endure" tenfold. It is a really interesting transformation, don't get me wrong, but there is nothing heroic about Heathcliff, and it can be argued that Cathy II rather than him is the protagonist of the second volume.
@franisaunicorn
@franisaunicorn 10 лет назад
The relationship between Mr and Mrs Bennett reminds me so much of the relationship between my grandparents
@annahill99
@annahill99 9 лет назад
and a wild Demelza Poldark appears to do a reading
@saxoncodex9736
@saxoncodex9736 3 года назад
Emily Bronte hands down. Yes Austen will be voted best, because there are five good novels to go at, which all appeal to slightly different people. But the passion, incisive portraits and just sheer living life. Too many of Austen's characters are so ordinary. In Wuthering Heights you live the people, you want to meet everyone not just the nice people, because when you meet them, you are living life to the full.
@animalsarebeautifulpeople3094
@animalsarebeautifulpeople3094 8 месяцев назад
I think Emily's people "live life to the full" in the way inexperienced teenagers imagine living life to the full. Can be beguiling but in the end there is no actual depth.
@samosullivan1744
@samosullivan1744 3 года назад
It isn’t really fair to pit Emily Brontë against Jane Austen as Emily only had one published novel and a few poems whereas Jane had a bigger body of work. Austen vs Charlotte Brontë would have been a better comparison.
@nicolaclark5829
@nicolaclark5829 4 года назад
Wonderful arguments, excellent acting- laughing and crying! Just off to read all the novels again!
@jennyteresia
@jennyteresia 4 года назад
How can you compare them? They were so very different as authors, one sharply ironic and queen of happy endings and the other so very gothic and poetic in her intensity. Both geniuses in their own way although my favorite author of the period will always be Charlotte Bronte.
@upuliedivisekera6779
@upuliedivisekera6779 3 года назад
These are the best readings from these novels I've ever heard. They should be doing the audiobooks like this
@melanieohara6941
@melanieohara6941 4 года назад
So glad I found this. Watching from Wyoming-thank you!🙋🏼‍♀️
@hannahg8439
@hannahg8439 7 лет назад
For me, Wuthering Heights will always be "the one", even tho between the both of them is no "winner" because Austen is incomparable and unique and so is Bronte.
@deguilhemcorinne418
@deguilhemcorinne418 2 года назад
Not only I am delighted to listen to this brillant intellectual production about two famous authors, but I enjoyed very much most of the comments, old and recent ones. I hope this YT video will keep being appreciated and shared. Bravo, c'est génial, rassurant et stimulant !
@janeqatar1
@janeqatar1 4 года назад
Jane Austen held up a mirror to the pretentious artifice of social class and shook it about, she taunted that society and rewrote its inevitable narrative, giving us endings that were light rather than dark (her own ending was darker). That she has lived on is a credit to her remarkable work, she is not dust or muslin, she is light. Emily Bronte found in the storm of the natural world and poured it into humans being and struggling. She roused and raised the passion of the natural world and showed that we are more wild than tamed that social constructs may be strong but it is our inner struggle against dark and light that links us to the natural world. That is our struggle and when I look at our world today I know that Jane and Emily would have much to write about. So much has changed. So much is the same.
@dogzilla77
@dogzilla77 4 года назад
Entertaining, well done. Never in a million years would I be exposed to these authors. A random glitch in the RU-vid algorithm brought this to my attention. My first thought to dismiss the video was changed by the excellent interpretations by the actors, description of the dialogue and subsequent debate.
@garycoates4987
@garycoates4987 5 лет назад
to me Emily Bronte and Wuthering Heights is a jewell in the crown of God.
@carolynschaub8225
@carolynschaub8225 4 года назад
Nothing has made me cry or feel harder than the Bronte's. But Austen is my favorite author.
@ariadne3838
@ariadne3838 9 лет назад
Thank you so much for this video. I enjoyed it so much. Everyone was wonderful and I am glad that it was Kate Mosse who spoke up for Emily. "Wuthering Heights" is my favorite novel. I love the passion.
@belindaholdsworth5344
@belindaholdsworth5344 5 лет назад
What a wonderful debate...so much fun and lovely to hear the lines delivered with so much joy.
@brontek9
@brontek9 4 года назад
Thank you for a wonderfully inspiring and entertaining debate. Like Samuel West, I am grateful for the works of Austen and Bronte. I love both of these talented writers; however, from my very first introduction to Wuthering Heights, I was hooked for life. All the Bronte sisters have won a place in my heart and imagination that no other writer has ever usurped.
@animalsarebeautifulpeople3094
@animalsarebeautifulpeople3094 8 месяцев назад
I have always considered wuthering heights to be a comedy.
@sualee890
@sualee890 Год назад
Lovely to hear this friendly debate
@corujanova
@corujanova 7 лет назад
I think the part about Wuthering Heights is breathtaking.
@irene2231
@irene2231 7 лет назад
Limão totally agree! Just as the novel is and deserves.
@count_bodies_like_sheep9296
@count_bodies_like_sheep9296 6 лет назад
Bram Stoker vs Mary Shelly
@lucyennemartin4521
@lucyennemartin4521 6 лет назад
Splendid! Wuthering Heights is the best novel ever !
@georgetterobinson8381
@georgetterobinson8381 3 года назад
Jane Eyre is the BEST
@edwardbellajacob
@edwardbellajacob 4 года назад
This was very enjoyable.Thank you and great job to everyone involved!
@joyfairclough4686
@joyfairclough4686 2 года назад
As a Janeite, I feel actors the played the theatrical drama of Brontë so much more deftly than they played the subtlety, wit, and comedy of Austen. They did EB a beautiful turn with their performances, but they left so much of JA's brilliance on the page.
@animalsarebeautifulpeople3094
@animalsarebeautifulpeople3094 8 месяцев назад
Especially the woman reading EMMA was sorely wanting
@dexterdrax
@dexterdrax 6 лет назад
as entertaining as this was I think it's technically wrong. it's like comparing two different genres of writing.
@kithale316
@kithale316 2 года назад
Not a fair comparison as Emily Brontë only produced one novel whereas Jane Austen produced many and they wrote in different genres.
@catalinapereyrarodriguez2206
@catalinapereyrarodriguez2206 3 года назад
honestly John just radiates this nervous yet extreamely smart energy which reminds me to movie Mr. Darcy (2005) and i think it's just wonderful
@julieontology7214
@julieontology7214 3 года назад
I don't believe in either / or--or one author against another. I know this debate is just a vehicle through which we can see some of the brilliant aspects of each of these women as writers. But it will always be "and" for me. Austin AND Bronte, either Bronte sister. I wanted to say that Jane Austen did not "just" write about love and marriage. This is a huge misrepresentation of her work. Austen wrote about marriage because it was the only way a woman could secure a comfortable future for herself and sometimes also for her family. Jane Austen, herself, and her sister became homeless when their father died. They was completely dependent on the kindness of relatives and whatever assistance their brother could provide. In characters like Miss Bates in Emma, the entire family of Fanny Price, and the Bennett sisters, Austen shows that a woman's security - - and even a man's - -hangs by a thread. Without the benevolent assistance of wealthy relatives, people without financial resources could suffer destitution. Marriage wasn't mainly about romance around the turn of the 19th century. It was about securing a home and one's estate through marriage and children. Austin may have portrayed her characters as having the romantic ideal, because she herself had been in love and suffered a broken heart because that relationship did not result in marriage. It seems strange to us, but the idea of going out and getting a job to support oneself was almost not even option for gentility. The idea of working for a living was the antithesis of gentility and respectability. One man could have a larger fortune than another, but if he gained that fortune by working in a business, even his own business, he was not considered a gentleman. He was not respected. This is illustrated in Chapter 8 of Pride and Prejudice. Austin writes that Bingley's sisters were polite to Elizabeth to her face. But on this particular evening, when Elizabeth left the downstairs to be with Jane, who was recovering from an illness, Austen writes that they began abusing her the moment she left the room. They criticized both of Jane and Elizabeth's uncles because one was an attorney and the other had a business near cheapside. Bingley says if they had many uncles near Cheapside, it would not make Jane less attractive to him. But Darcy sums up their societies conflict between being a working man and being a gentleman with this potent statement. "But it must very materially lessen their chance of marrying men of any consideration in the world..." For women with no independent fortune or inheritance, getting married was not just a way to maintain or advance social position, it was the difference between financial security and destitution. Austen knew this from personal experience. She displayed marriage as a social justice issue, emphasizing the importance of marriage as a matter of life and death, as an injustice at best and tremendous hardship at worst, in their society. It was such a necessity, that a very practical woman like Charlotte Lucas chose to marry without love or romance, simply to secure financial stability and to hopefully have children. One of the reasons why Virginia Wolf wrote that Jane Austen was difficult to catch in the act of greatness, was that Austin's writing style had the same polite restraint expected of women in her time period. All of the emotions seethe under the surface and sometimes break out in characters like Lydia Bennett and Maria Bertram (Mansfield Park). The passions, frustrations, joys and furies are all there, but they are held in check, with great restraint. For this reason, the novels of Austen and Bronte's Wuthering Heights make a fascinating comparison. But it is Austen AND Bronte, not Austen versus Emily Bronte. We need both, and, with an understanding of their societies and customs, we can appreciate the superlative skills of both writers.
@kaorimg1230
@kaorimg1230 2 года назад
Wholeheartedly agree. It is difficult to fully enjoy Austen adaptations for TV and cinema because they focus on the romance over the satirical or more somber elements … even Northanger Abbey features a young woman seduced, the ‘vampirism’ of a loveless marriage, and a man forced to give up his inheritance to marry for love. In Persuasion a woman suffers from severe depression, having given up her chance at a love match and facing life as a dependent spinster.
@amherst88
@amherst88 4 года назад
Thank god for British culture (and YT for making it accessible to the US) -- *thanks* *immeasurably* for uploading.
@robertwill23
@robertwill23 4 года назад
Jane Austin is the Beatles, Emily Bronte is more like Rolling Stones) or Siouxsie and the Banshees.
@sherlockholmeslives.1605
@sherlockholmeslives.1605 3 года назад
If Jane Austin and Emely Bronte are Queens of Literature then what about George Eliot?
@vanishing_girl
@vanishing_girl 3 года назад
the Empress lol
@superguinea
@superguinea 10 лет назад
this is now my favorite channel
@elizabethlion7580
@elizabethlion7580 4 года назад
I don't I realized before quite how much Mr Elton drags Harriet in Emma. "Miss Smith?! Why, I never! I suppose everybody has their level..." 😂😂😂
@renatanovato9460
@renatanovato9460 4 года назад
What a delihht to see and hear the actors. Loved that the narrator is there, unlike in the screen adaptation
@virginiaschott4482
@virginiaschott4482 5 лет назад
What a fabulous debate. I'm running out to my bookstore to purchase both authors. It would be wonderful to get lost in both their worlds again.
@LogoDojo
@LogoDojo 10 лет назад
I've loved Wuthering Heights since I was a kid. And I totally think Wolverine is Heathcliff :-p
@SerafEnd
@SerafEnd 7 лет назад
LauraOlsonBlue me toooo.. haha
@maheshiabeyrathna5079
@maheshiabeyrathna5079 3 года назад
Wow I love that comment. Agree with you...❤
@Ampsplifier
@Ampsplifier 3 года назад
This is amazing! Great job everybody! I love how these women are celebrated for their brilliant contribution in literature!
@MsAbbbcccddd
@MsAbbbcccddd 9 лет назад
I read emily and i got upset closed the boom a few times. It is such a disturbing book. Jane on the other hand ^_^ i will love lizzy always. So both novelists have a special appeal to me and their work have a special place on my bookshelf
@panicattackman20
@panicattackman20 9 лет назад
For me neither. I would always say George Eliot. However, I do think that both Jane Austen and Emily Bronte are fantastic writers; but in a sense, they are too diametrically opposed for this debate to work.
@aodhanlynch5980
@aodhanlynch5980 4 года назад
I agree. Eliot stands far above so many of the Rom/Vic authors (ignoring the focus on 'queens' this debate felt was necessary - these women all stand toe-to-toe with any of their bollocked contemporaries). She managed to unify Romantic and Enlightenment thought so impressively. And NO she is not a prude or boring (or anti feminist, I feel like she was conflicted about encouraging the same resilience that left her with so much suffering), she just tells the truth and knew that it usually fell somewhere in between agony and boredom. It is a crime that she was denied Poets Corner for reasons of morality when half of them, including her contemporary Dickens, were shagging like rabbits.
@KumarMukeshz
@KumarMukeshz 5 лет назад
Thnx very much for this erudite presentation
@beatriz9676
@beatriz9676 2 года назад
Why can't we read and love both? I do.
@faithcastillo9597
@faithcastillo9597 5 лет назад
I enjoyed this immensely, but for the constant use of the phrase, "if you like."
@heatherjephcott5022
@heatherjephcott5022 3 года назад
What a brilliant debate that was truly light hearted. As a reader of Jane Austen (over and over again - all of her novels) as well as a reader of the 3 Brontes (all the novels over and over again - Even Villette and The Professor), I would not be able to say one better than the other - oh, except Jane would win over Emily but not over the whole Brontes. I love all the novels by all these authors. Each is like a friend. Each one has inspired my own writing too.
@francescaderimini4422
@francescaderimini4422 2 года назад
I find it ironic that Jane Austin novels are all about discernment especially when it comes to marriage and friendships. I cannot believe that in this day and age people still defend novels that promote and defend toxic people and actions and encourage women to accept this co dependency as LOVE! Jane Eyres Rochester is full of deceit and error! He could have gotten an annulment from the Church of England and yes they had them in those days!
@junomance
@junomance 2 года назад
i think it’s not fair to tear jane down the way kate does for writing stories within the confines of the world that she lived in. women and men were separate in her novels because that’s how they were in the world. wuthering heights does appeal to me greatly but the attacks on jane just show a complete lack of understanding of the regency era and subtle emotion. why would the characters be yelling and screaming in the regency era? emotions were forced to be diluted. but i think that’s a powerful thing in it’s own right to feel something as strongly as a heathcliff or cathy but be forced to shove it down while your throat kills you because you feel like you’re about to cry. plus even with all of jane austen’s regency culture, the meaning and the emotion cuts through. when i read the end of pride and prejudice where mr.darcy and elizabeth are saying “how did you feel when this happened? did you know about this? oh you must’ve been so mad when i said this!” (paraphrasing clearly lol) i was blown away how much it felt like the beginning of my relationship with my boyfriend like i honestly felt so transported back to all the moments of knowing we liked each other and reminiscing and everything. also the point about jane austen’s works being to be rewritten and recycled and people wanting to put their own spin on it and how supposedly that can’t be done and wouldn’t be done with wuthering heights. as an example death comes to pemberly to me is just like “imagine if a jane austen novel was a [another genre]” and of course you could do that to wuthering heights! i could turn it into a comedy or a classic romance or anything! that doesn’t mean it would be as good as it is already but you could definitely change it and i don’t think curiosity about changing it means that the book as it is isn’t good already i think it just means you love the book and want to explore the universe even more and in different ways. after all, they always do it because they’re a fan to start with. random side note: wow that mark twain quote… while everyone was laughing i was just thinking “oh my gosh isn’t this like horrifying and actually a bit sexist?” hahah. also i’m telling you right now i did not proofread this i just can’t. i just woke up. so if i wrote something wrong you can have this apology: I AM SORRY
@denisadellinger
@denisadellinger 10 лет назад
I enjoyed this program. I didn't know much about Emily Bronte and have never read her but have read all of Jane Austin's novels. I still vote Jane all the way but I so enjoyed the readings.
@chopsbump1
@chopsbump1 7 лет назад
oh the BIG WORDS used here... ;) it is no more complicated than...LIGHT AND DARK ROMANTICISM..just that plain ... both beautiful ..both heart wrenching..both TRUE romance LIGHT AND DARK..
@camillaw6167
@camillaw6167 4 года назад
I love the way Austen is so succinct. Elinor (in Sense & Sensibility) asks her weeping sister Marianne (Willoughby has just dumped her) - if Willoughby had said that he loved her.. Marianne replies "Yes....No.....It was EVERYDAY IMPLIED BUT NEVER DECLARED". Brilliant. In the same book the character of Lucy Steele is horrific. A masterpiece of desperation, slyness and so cruel to Elinor, - speaking as if she doesn't know about Elinor's feelings for Edward. She digs in the knife at every opportunity. Hideous creature. And as for Mansfield Park! -Choc-a-bloc with sex, seething passions and fancies going on backstage in the theatricals - Phoar!!! I love the way Mrs Norris gets her come uppance at the end! My favourite is Mr Darcy's comment (Pride & Prejudice) when he and Elizabeth are talking about when they realised they were in love. He says "I was in the middle before I knew/realised I had begun! Lovely. On a different note - I always laugh at the description of the stout Mrs Musgrave in Persuasions when she's being over-dramatic and maudlin about something (not Louisa's fall). Jane Austen writes that Wentworth was very polite about her 'fat sighings'.😅😂 Oh - and I find myself thinking a lot of a sentence in Emma these days,- "Vanity, working on a weak mind, produces all kinds of mischief' (spoken by Mr Knightley). The wonderful Jane Austen. Once read, you carry her words with you through life. 🤗😃👍
@ForeverTensed
@ForeverTensed 4 года назад
Eleanor Tomlinson is looking unbelievably beautiful.
@madiantin
@madiantin 5 лет назад
This was really interesting and enjoyable. I enjoyed the presenters and the actors. It did not change my personal opinion. I find there are great depths of thought and feeling in Jane Austen's novels that are thought provoking and touching. Wuthering Heights, however, left me cold. I wanted to slap them both silly and tell them to grow up. I didn't make me feel any deep feelings...except, perhaps, deep irritation. Yes yes, it's all very teenagery emo and melodramatic; but it's also "Sound and fury, signifying nothing."
@ScreamQueen9
@ScreamQueen9 10 лет назад
I am so glad this subject was broached I always find myself comparing the two and I always have to stop myself because they're so different but none the less I always do probably because I love them both SO much so I found this absolutely fascinating.
@bthomas2097
@bthomas2097 3 года назад
We live in a world where both exists. Both of them are great. Jane and Emily. Samuel, we agree. Thank you for this wonderful feast of information and knowledge.
@CO8848_2
@CO8848_2 2 года назад
Love both. Wuthering Heights is strong Whiskey, cathartic, while Jane Austen is fine wine, ages well. It is Jane Eyre that really wasn't up to the test of time. But anytime I read either author, it's a treat.
@ZadenZane
@ZadenZane Год назад
We did seven "set texts" for A Level English and of all those books it's Jane Austen's Emma that has stuck in my head and come back to me the most over the years. I so wish we could have done Wuthering Heights as well!
@fraumahler5934
@fraumahler5934 2 года назад
Wonderful debate
@shakespearaamina9117
@shakespearaamina9117 3 года назад
Such a Fascinating debate... I enjoyed and learnt a great deal Thank you!
@p_nk7279
@p_nk7279 2 года назад
This is pretty incredible, I’ve watched a few times. Dominic West is amazing- going from Mr. Bennett to Heathcliff in a matter of moments, two such different characters. And the W Heights pieces here are stirringly performed. It’s kinda hilarious watching Mr. West’s reactions throughout. Bravo, all! Edited to add since I couldn’t resist, that questioner who says she is an ‘avaricious’ reader - haha, I believe she means ‘voracious’ Anyway, great program!
@4thlinemaniac356
@4thlinemaniac356 Год назад
Great point out and also imo the lady in red the style and lack of emotion in her face was distracting when the female debater was speaking. And any book can become a classic popular or not as my favorite is a horror story written by Peter Straub "If You Can See Me Now" as he places himself in Shirley Jackson's The Lottery as the Town hurls stones against him.
@ronniehanna8800
@ronniehanna8800 6 лет назад
You either get Wuthering Heights or you don't. I get it - from the first time I read it, more than 45 years ago. Emily Bronte was a genius. As the moderator said, she only produced one novel - but it was one for the ages. And so was its author.
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