Jane Seymour - Third Wife Of Henry VIII Documentary 

I agree

It is interesting to speculate how life would have been for all involved had Jane not died.

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I DON'T GET THE END OF THIS, DO YOU MEAN THAT HENRY NEVER SPOKE OF JANE AGAIN OR ANNE AGAIN...DAYUM

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Henry had been spoiled rotten. Never been denied anything. So naturally rather full of himself....🙄

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😂true

Henry was obsessed with a son. He was a narcissist.

@@ninaelsbethgustavsen2131Quite literally 😭

He it was sweet but only because it was short 😅

lol

Yup

Concisely put.

Absolutely only reason!

Maybe that's why she didn't reach out to her stepdaughter Elizabeth

She would have ended up on the block later on. Both her brothers where executed for treason. Her one brother Thomas married Catherine Parr after Henry died.

​@@irvinecompanytenantsrightsviol but she didnt reach out to Elizabeth...actually there are even accounts of Jane speaking badly about Elizabeth...saying that Anne Boleyns daughter shouldnt be a princess

​@@HK-gm8pe sources?? I've never heard of or read anything similar so I'd like to know

17th yup

Right! They really don't!

I know! They really don't. I've always been curious about more of her

I, too, found it refreshing. I thought all of his wives were beheaded. He divorced Catherine of Aragon, she lived quite a long life. Jane died in childbirth, and did produce a son. I don't know if Anne of Cleaves was beheaded or not. Don't know the others either.

@@patriciajrs46 He divorced Anne of Cleves, he had Katherine Howard beheaded and Katherine Parr survived Henry, as he died 3 or 4 years after they were married.

I agree

He loved Ann Boleyn or was at least infatuated by her. He wouldn't otherwise have broken with Rome

Also, if all he wanted was a son then why didn't he remain married to Anne of Cleves? He divorced her as there was no sexual chemistry or affection as there undoubtedly was with Jane Seymour and Catherine Howard. He was getting on a bit when he married Catherine Parr so he was probably wanting a companion and stepmother to his three children. But no I doubt he was ever madly in love with anyone other than the first Ann

I hope my husband never expresses his love for me by chopping off my head.

​@@chloephillips1381 I completely disagree, the love he had for Anne was honestly nothing compared to what he once felt for Catherine. He did have a huge infatuation for Anne, and I agree that she was second on the list of wives he loved the most, but he was never madly in love with her. If he ever truly loved, respected and admired anyone, it was Catherine. I used to think Anne was the wife he loved the most, but then I read contemporary letters and records written by courtiers during the first half of Henry's marriage to Catherine, and then those reporting his relationship with Anne and now I'm sure it was Catherine

@@xxxxxx5062 I completely agree with this. In tv shows and movies, Catherine and Henry's relationship is always portrayed at its end, after many years of marriage and sorrow. Every contemporary reports affirm that Henry was very much eager to marry his brother's widow, and they were deeply in love in the first years of their marriage. She was a very beautiful, charming, clever, and even politically astute (probably from her father) young girl, far from the boring and rigorous image we see portrayed. When she first arrived in England, she refused to lift her veil, and Henry VII freaked out that she must be ugly. He was enchanted when he discovered she was actually a beauty. I think from all the wives, she is the only one with who he had an almost "normal" partnership, going as far as leaving her in charge as he went to war, before his Ego inflated and his mental health clearly went south. One must note it took many, many years and many stillbirths and miscarriages to damage their bond and make him consider divorce. He was probably very attracted and infatuated with Anne, as exotic, witty and refined as she was with her french way. The problem is by that time, he was already pretty messed up. I think what started with a genuine love story turned into a cruisade to get his heir. He fell in love with her charms, but he stayed in love with the idea she would give him a legitimate son. It took only one healthy girl for him to feel like she scammed him and he made a mistake, and a couple years and 2 miscarriage for him to loathe her and wish her dead. So...

True. Also, as far as the traditional religionists were concerned, Henry was free to marry Jane, as he was a widower. He was not a widower when he married Anne.

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Well that and Anne Boleyn was literally a child abuser. She abused her step daughter Mary and taunted her over her mother's death. People honestly glorify Anne Boleyn too much. Sure she was cunning and witty but she was just as bad a person as Henry.

@@fanficnerdnerd6758 where did you hear she was abusive to Mary? There's evidence that she tried to befriend Mary

@@fanficnerdnerd6758how do you know? As if you have met her…

Anne didn’t want to be with Henry at first. She spent a fairly long time trying to rebuff his advances and even left court in an attempt to get away from him. She eventually developed feelings for him but it took awhile. Once Henry had chosen you, you didn’t really have a choice.

@Kat Thomas Nobody could be very dumb to survive in court....by good or evil people would like to use you as a pawn. She was a smart cookie she survive 2 queens and became one.

Because Anne was the original homewrecker. Catherine of Aragon was Queen until Anne got with her husband and Jane was a close friend to Catherine so she just saw it as karma for Anne

@@bobettepancakes Henry was the homewrecker! The end! Its not like she had a choice, the way he persued her ugh it was a different time ....this ain't houswives of Hampton Court Stop blaming Anne Boleyn with that childish explanation of history

@@jujubees5855 child you have no concept of time...In these times there was no sisterhood as we know it, you had to obey the King your husband your family the rules of your religion and so on ....we are talking about almost 600 years ago ....get a grip

Excellent point.

Meh, what evidence we have suggests Jane was quite ruthless and heartless. For Anne Boleyn, she had absolutely no pity whatsoever. There's far more evidence that Katheryn Howard was a kind hearted girl (she personally and very bravely intervened on behalf of a number of prisoners) and her reign was just as brief as Jane's. Katheryn was also much younger when she died too.

@@AnnabelleCharrier Unlike anne who was executed on trumped up charges, there was evidence that katheryn committed adultery. Henry cried and probably forgot about her immediately. He didn't even hire a french executioner for her. She was probably a palate cleanser after anne of cleves. Catherine of aragon was an arranged marriage, henry broke up with the catholic church over anne and jane wasthe woman that drew henry away from anne- the woman that he fought for for over six years. Jane is catholic too. She's pretty special.

Good point.

Fully agree. Had she lived, Henry would surely have bored of her mousey ways and invented some reason to get rid of her.

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@@dannyhuffman The stolen photo you're using on your YT profile isn't fooling anyone. The fake name is ridicullous, too. People have figured out the tactics of scammers, the only one you fool is yourself.

TF are you talking about. 174 years later we are still talking about him. He was NOT a "Legend in his own mind". He WAS and IS AN ACTUAL LEGEND. LOL And, was Christina of Denmark "wise beyond her years", really? It seems OBVIOUS and common sense not to marry the old man with a string of dead wives and bad temper.

Which is why I always admire the resolve Queen Elizabeth exhibited in refusing to marry for the succession. Her Daddy's treatment of Mom still in mind.

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I thought he married Catherine because he was the wife of his dead brother, who I thought was king. I think he was doing her a favor to be honest. She was good women, but in the end, he discarded her for that very same reason, because she was his brothers wife.

I think his feelings for Catherine is one of respect rather than romantic love. He saw her as an equal more than his other wives.

@@TheOneNOnlyNeptuneRose exactly, I always think that he married her because he wanted what arthur had. It was more desire than romantic love.

He didn’t love Catherine, as is evidenced by his behavior.

She's the perfect example of play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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I am unaware anyone thought her stupid. She played her cards quite skillfully.

@@loditx7706 It used to be a common narrative, probably as one more way to show her as the opposite of Anne Boleyn, like Anne was a brunette, Jane was a blonde; Anne was outspoken, Janne was submissive;Anne was a flirt, Jane was pure; Anne was a politician, Jane was a housekeeper; Anne was witty, Jane was dumb... I don't like this at all and I think you're right about her!!

@@Laramaria2 not at all ! It just happens to marry Jane after Ann execution no comparison here just 2 diffirent personalities. both women were inteligent !

I never thought Jane stupid but she also used Anne's playbook of holding off any affection to Henry. That deems her shrewd unless she was coached by her family. The Seymours were very ambitious. Truth is we don't know much about Jane because she lived a short life. She may have been kind to Mary but she was very indifferent to Elizabeth. That is known.

I don't know, after what happened to the second wife it doesn't seem wise to be the third wife.

Women were considered the property of their fathers, husbands or other male guardians. Only older widows had any independence.

Precisely. He was king and his word was law.💁🏻‍♀️

True.

Don’t feel, be sure .

English women were not as safe as foreign born women when Henry came a courting. The latter had the leaders of their countries behind them, the former had no one.

Henry didn't marry women. He married wombs.

Henry’s marriages to Catherine of Aragon, Anne of Cleves and Anne Boleyn were all annulled, so naturally they wouldn’t have queen’s funerals. While his marriage to Catherine Howard was never officially annulled I believe, she was still executed as a traitor - which obviously barred her from a proper funeral. Katherine Parr died as Queen dowager and wife of Thomas Seymour.

@@BigMamaDaveX exactly he married wombs to carried his male heirs !

Well she was the only one to die as Queen. Katherine of Aragon was buried as Dowager Princess of Wales, as her first marriage was the one considered valid. Anne Boleyn and Kathryn Howard were buried in the Tower as traitors, Anne of Cleves was buried as a wealthy independent woman, and Katherine Parr was buried as the wife of Thomas Seymour.

@@kate_cooper didn’t even think of that, I always thought it was because she gave him a son. It does make sense though, thanks for that perspective. 😊

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I agree! I believe Ann Boylen definitely wanted nothing to do with Henry because he was married and he had her sister is a mistress, and she wanted nothing to do with that whatsoever and she even left court for a year because he was bugging her. Despite him writing her letters and sending her gifts all the time it wasn’t doing anything for her and her father & uncle, who was the duke of Norfolk, push her to get with him, and she didn’t want to. Jane Seymour was all up for it, and pretty much fell head over heels for Henry instantly, but not Ann because she was independent and had a mind of her own. Henry was just super selfish and I can understand his need to have a male heir because his families dynasty was so young but even in the end, it turned out that all three of his kids were monarchs in England, and after that the Tudor Dynasty was gone

What "tricks" did Jane play exactly? Existing and being pretty? Jfc I don't know why ppl are so intent on portraying the women as pursuers and seductresses when Henry was notoriously fickle. It's like they want to take away his agency in this and make it their fault.

This None of them were the villain. They were women in an era where the patriarchy ruled their lives, and their lives depended on their ability to bear children. If they couldn't have children, it was never believed to be the fault of the husband, always the fault of the wife. If a king wanted you, there was really nothing they could do

​@@mechengr1731 * Male children in the case for much of human history

She had to do what her father told her to do. Women were nothing but pawns by their male relatives.

Based on what evidence?? Why are ppl so intent on vilifying the women?

@@8teezy Yes, people vilify people that are noble and good because of jealousy. I think JS was just introverted woman of noble birth with good manners. She was not calculated, just dutiful and being herself.

Exactly she did !

Yet Elizabeth put an end to both her mother and Dad's bloodline.

@@EmilyGloeggler7984 Technically the most recent Queen is a descendant of Mary Boleyn, so the bloodline is not dead.

@@EmilyGloeggler7984 I think Mary Stuart (Mary Queen if Scots) was related to Henry VIII & her son James was I of England & VI of Scotland & had lineage through that line. I find them all Interesting & mostly crazy

@@EmilyGloeggler7984 Henry’s bloodline was continued through his sisters. Their children went on to have many descendants

This!

Tosh! I don't agree with how much blame your comment places on these two queens, or your quote about "losing your man". None of Henry's six wives hold the same culpability he did for their various unfortunate outcomes. Life wasn't "a game" for English women of pre-Renaissance times, although arguably all court politics in those eras have qualities of a blood sport. You've watched too many modern interpretations on tv. Women/girls' lives were basically dictated by their male keepers, and they had very little agency beyond what they could muster by use of their "feminine wiles", something men of all eras seem to complain of and resent while at the same time as enjoying the benefits thereof. Additionally, people of both sexes in the late Middle Ages had strong religious codes that ,although warped in so many ways, and unequally skewed to favor men- and royal men in particular- often informed people's every decision and undertaking. No doubt both Anne and Jane thought they were doing god's work in some way, shape and form, each according to their respective upbringings. Losing the unpleasant philandering Henry as a husband was probably just an afterthought compared to losing the influence of their natal families, their religious affiliations and what they undoubtedly saw as their high calling by God to duty. If Henry (God's annointed) and the men in power around him asserted that the previous wives were illegitimate or even evil, who were they to argue with God? If they lost their privileges or even lives in the process, so be it- life was short and cheap when heaven awaited (see Anne Bolelyn's execution speech). Jane's childbirth death was in no way related to her position as Henry's third wife as she was reportedly in good health and prime child-bearing years, so that is a result of medieval medical deficiencies and chance that could have happened to her with any husband, and that argument is not well made. Again, Jane, if asked, would have undoubtedly considered it god's divine will for her and by the sounds of her final sufferings, a happy release, very much a common outcome for those times. What you are basing the accusation that Jane contributed to Anne's miscarriage on is beyond me, but that in itself sounds like a pretty medieval notion for a modern human to hold. People don't cause other people to miscarry, nor does "stress". All in all, as human beings Jane, Anne and Henry's other wives had human flaws and foibles, but none of them deserved their villification (or over-glorification either) in history. As medieval women, they were each admirable and pitiable at the same time.

@dazeyday5699 Actually haven't watched many modern day interpretations at all. But I have read books, watched several documentaries, and even gone to London to learn about Tudor history in person. So please don't make assumptions. If you read my comment, you saw that I said that their families played a role. But these women could have said "no." He was the king, but they made choices as well. They paid dearly for their poor choices.

Pretty sure you couldnt just say no to the king. He was the king after all, you had to obey him​@@bludiva27

thank you for posting this. I have been thinking exactly that while watching similar historical depictions of our past. So grateful to be in this 21at century and in the democratic society.

Sounds just like modern times.

Oh and there are no hypocrites today? Human nature doesn’t change much across time

Life is still like that. Minus the beheadings.

@@twain7879 😂. We’re not in a democratic society. We’re being “farmed” by the WEF. Look up The Great Reset.

I honestly don't think she wanted to be a mistress. She didn't really have a choice once her father and brothers started pushing her towards him

I Agree that Jane's brothers pushed her toward the throne. So isn't it ironic, that both brothers, were killed by Jane's son Edward.

Jane was in her 20s. You are possibly thinking of Catherine Howard.

Henry was an all - around asshole. NOT just a bad husband who longed for a male heir. He was cruel and malevolent. If he were simply desperate for a son, he would not have the abysmal reputation he rightfully earned

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That's a really interesting point and it does bear thinking about. Of course, we will never know for sure but one could imagine a courtier pointing out to Henry in passing that his new mistress had 6 older brothers, which started the hamster wheel turning in Henry's son-obsessed brain.

Did they not realize at that time it's the man that controls the sex of the child? We can blame his shitty sperm. What a gross looking dude. My bad.

I got engaged that day! April 20, 2022! What a coincidence

Not to mention both her brothers Edward and Thomas were beheaded as well

Elizabeth also finally put an end to the Tudor line.

QE.I Learned many lessons from her sister Mary's Reign. One big one surrounded a ruling Queen's marriage. Customs of Tudor society mandated a wife obey her husband, defer to all His whims, his rules. IT'S in the Bible... these Tudor super studs believed marriage to Mary and/or Elizabeth made Him defacto King, since his HRH Wife was subservient and by God's Word deemed to serve and Obey... a QUEEN ascending a Throne and ruling in Her own right was new to England. No one knew what do we call Him. QE.I her Father killed her Mother to remarry. Later, He Beheaded Wife #4. Had she choose a Nobel then people would still fracture off Into differing camps. This in a Era folks could legally kill a chum, coworker, or neighbor... Honor!!! Queen Jane S. Knew well before Anne about Henry's resolution plan to kill Ann. Jane to me is creepy.

Princess Diana was also descended from Anne Boleyn via her sister Mary, which I find absolutely fascinating.

@@Nora-xk5tf I agree Jane was a creep. Also, nobody ever talks about the "Queen Consorts Act" which Henry brought into legislation during the reign of Katheryn Howard presumably because he was so in love with her, giving her permission to "act as a woman sole" and do anything she liked without having to ask his permission. I often wonder, did poor Katharine misconstrue this to mean he'd turn a blind eye to anything, including her clandestine meetings with Tom Culpeper? She was a very kind hearted girl but not very well educated. It's possible.

I don't think henry ever loved any of his wives except catherine of aragon and possibly anne of cleves, bc they both got out of marriage with henry alive. Jane seymour was held in high regards in henry's eyes only bc she gave him a son. If jane ever gave birth to a daughter, her fate would have been death more than likely

@@hollywoodamanda Henry never loved Anne of Cleves! He found her ugly, so he prompted for a divorce. But he certainly loved Jane Seymour and wept at her death as she had given him his long yearned for son. However, no one knows if he would indeed have tired of her eventually as well had she lived.

@thatamandagirl Catherine of Aragon was the aunt of the King of Spain. Exciting her would have caused WWI - 400 years early ! The fact Catherine was not executed had nothing to do with "Love". Henry knew his place on the world's stage

I agree...'still waters run deep'

Her husband was Henry Stuart aka Lord Darnley not Dudley. Also, if you are a descendant of Mary I through her son James VI Scotland (James I of England) then Lord Darnley is also your ancestor as he was his biological father.

I really don't get why ppl are so intent on portraying Jane as a "snake". There's no basis for this

​@@8teezyyes there is.

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I think Henry viewed both institutions and people as tools at his disposal or toys to entertain him. Means to ends and little more. Henry was a woman-hater? Im not sure. He doted over his daughter, Mary, for example. She was heir-apparent for years and was being groomed to rule even in a patriarchal society. That is, until Henry decided not having a male heir was unacceptable instead of unfortunate. In a flash, Henry divorced Catherine of Aragon and declared Mary illegitimate. Mary was no longer useful. Into the toolbox she goes. The woman was devastated. Henry doesnt care though. Then once Edward was born, Mary suddenly serves a purpose for Henry again. She and her descendants can be successors if Edward died with no heirs. Henry takes Mary out of the figurative toolbox and re-legitimizes her.

@@co94 I highly agree with you. He so longed for that "male heir" and Edward VI's health wasn't good enough for him to make it to the 17th century it was his 2nd girl that did that, Elizabeth I. The Tudor dynasty had quite a bit of fertility issues.

Do have any citations for the multiple infarcts? I don't doubt that he had T2DM although there was no medical diagnosis as such.

@@conniecondra4535 He might have had T2 diabetes, I agree with you. The weight and the lack of healing for his leg wound makes me suspicious. Also his change of behavior might be a result of his head injury and the constant pain he must have been in; I wonder how much alcohol he drank.

Oof, I’m 22 and a bit concerned for myself now.💀

@@pottainthoes5334 I enjoyed good docus at 22 as well! 😁

@@pottainthoes5334 same

I don't think so.....This was in the 1500's. Great aunt x 3 is only 4 generations ago

​@@irvinecompanytenantsrightsviol lol

The pendulum kept swinging back and forth. The odd numbered wives represented Catholic interests while the even numbered wives represented Protestant interests. At the end of the day, Henry was a firm Anglican who had been executing both Catholics and Protestants all along!

Orrrrr, he could have just liked her. That is also a possibility. Ppl read way to deep into this, it doesn't have to be this complicated

I was in hospital for three weeks before I could go home .

agreed,, this is a good documentary but think they are way off the mark with the c section

There's absolutely no WAY Jane had a C section! She'd have died a speedy and agonizing death in that era.

@@AnnabelleCharrier exactly and the doctors in those eras didn’t really know what a c section was or how to preform one on a patient.

I had my first c section and the doctor gave me a belly binder to wear It helped me to not only walk without pain but also to keep my stitches safe from clothing rubbing As a result when I went on to have 3 more children (all C section) and used the belly binder after each one I never had sagging in that region. I recommend the belly binder to everyone who has had a recent c section and they all have said it eliminates pain and stops stitches being pulled.

I love Anne but she did worse than step over the corpse of the ones she hated. Wasn’t it said that she wished for the death of KoA and Mary her daughter? Didn’t she show glee when she heard KoA had finally died?

@@chibuzorokonkwo7039 I mean unless Anne gave KoA the cancer that killed her, and that would be impressive. That’s still not being involved in her death. I mean heartless to be like yes she’s dead, but not the murder levels were done to Anne. I mean CoA was easily the most innocent bystander in the gong show that was being wife of Henry the 8. So in terms of comparing apples to apples Jane worse then Anna…. KoA…. Better then both of them combined.

She wasn’t a good stepmom to Elizabeth.

Episiotomy maybe?

I think I watched a show once about how they think it could be the placenta got infected and this was somewhat common because they didn’t know of this danger at the time.

I was going to say the exact same thing!

It's thought by some to be Elizabeth...

Actually, the portrait in question, which is known as "The Toledo Portrait", because it was acquired by The Toledo Museum Of Art in Ohio, USA in the early 1900s, is NOT KATHERINE HOWARD! It is likely Elizabeth Seymour , just as The People Profiles says. The portrait has long been associated with Henry VIII's young queen, however the identification of the portrait as Katherine Howard is widely discounted! The text on the portrait, ETATIS SVÆ 21, indicates that the sitter was in her 21st year, an age Katherine Howard never reached.

@@PeopleProfiles its very likely it is Elizabeth Seymour, you're quite correct. There is almost NO CHANCE of it being Katherine Howard!

@@CountessKitten I didn't know that...like I said, I knew there was controversy surrounding who was the sitter in some paintings. I think that the face of Jane Seymour and the face in the painting we are discussing are very similar and do look to be sisters...I actually never even knew that Jane had a sister, this was the first show I've seen where a sister was mentioned. I love all things Tudor History. Thanks for commenting and telling me about the paintings details and History etc.

Back then no 19 year old was a child. That's a 21st century mindset. Even in the 20th century, 19 year olds were fully recognized as adults

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why is she your favorite. She was plain, dull, mean to her step daughter Elizabeth and taunting queen Anne with that locket hendry gave her, indicating a bully type behavior. Seriously wha'ts to like? nothing much.

​@@dannyhuffman I'm quite well thanks for asking😊

​@@annedonker4795 now you know and did all that stuff, it was Jane who reconciled Henry with Mary and Elizabeth. She was crying even the court said going from and to Jane was like going from night today. She was a kind Queen and as I said my favorite deal with it.

@@chykim1 you're highly welcome, by the way how is the weather over there now?

I agree. I also love her relationship with Mary. She genuinely loved Mary, spoilt her with gifts and walk the grounds holding hands with her 🥺

Jane also knew all too well what would happen to her if she didn't provide Henry with a male heir.

Anne loved her baby too but Henry robbed Elizabeth the common denominator is Henry who knows may be he did kill Jane once the baby was born and he had what he wanted? Was he that evil? Maybe I heard she had a cC/section but not sure of it being true

@@aprilgosa5779 while he was a notorious narcissistic man, I find that theory laughable! In that time, children frequently died before adulthood, even royals. So why on earth, kill a wife who's just given birth to a live child???? No he'd be hoping she'd have several more children. That way his succession was further secured. As is: Edward and Mary reigned for a few years and then it all passed to Elizabeth. (Speaking of Elizabeth... there's a conspiracy theory about her childhood death. And being replaced with a boy. Look it up.)

@@aprilgosa5779 what are you on about?