The 'Rose Without A Thorn' Killed While Still A Girl | Katherine Howard | Henry VIII's Fifth Wife 

People say "it was a different time"...I still think she was a child, used and abused by older men since she was 13. Poor thing had no clue what she had gotten herself into. Her story is the most tragic among all the wives, even more than Anne Boleyn.

She wasn't stupid. She was a traumatized teenager with nobody to stand up for her or teach her how to take care of herself and her own best interests. She was used and abused by many predatory men.

If there's a Hell, I'm sure Henry VIII is there, not because he's not Catholic but because of how he treated his own family...

A child who was never allowed to simply grow and flourish. The way she was taken advantage of by everyone around her was a travesty.

Katherine Howard didn’t deserve the fate she got.

Finding compassion for her is a sign that humanity is evolving. For how many hundreds of years was she blamed for her fate vs understood as an abused neglected child?

Beginning in grade school and through getting a bachelor's degree (biology) I never once had a teacher who cared a whit about having students learn dates for historical events. But, situations like the ones that arose in Henry VIII's court amply illustrate why dates should be emphasized. If you read a history of Henry and you don't learn day-month-year dates, you can easily get the wrong idea about how long it took him to dispatch his wives. It all happened fairly quickly once Henry laid eyes on Anne Boleyn. But, without knowing exact dates, you can easily get the impression that it must have taken decades and decades.

Poor sweet young girl. She obviously had a heart of gold. I have always heard that however vapid and silly she may have acted in life, she died with dignity... every bit a Queen. RIP Queen Katherine. ❤❤❤

Ironically. She would probably have had healthy children. Henry mustve had brain rot.

I always feel so bad for Katherine. Her story is nothing but tragic.

The most heartbreaking part is that she seemed to really care for Henry, even if it wasn't in spouse romantic way and was more of her longing to be loved and get attention from someone, especially such a powerful💔 Despite her tragic end and all circles of abuse she unknowingly endured her whole life and maybe even an unhappy afterlife, we still should remember this detail: She was a karma for Henry for the way he treated every other of his wives! while in other cases it was him cheating on his wife and humiliating her, with Katherine Howard however, pages turned around and he finally faced what it felt like to be second or even last choice for your spouse, he faced the suffering he had put on every other of his wives and if you ask me, a perfect circle of life, even though it would've been better had Katherine survived😢

It sort of makes sense now, Katheryn, someone with daddy issues, and Henry, someone with mommy issuses. I don't know why I never thought of it that way before.

I have sincere sympathy for all of the six wives of Henry VIii

Jane Boleyn was quite a viper. She willingly testified to the nonsensical idea that George Boleyn had an incestuous relationship with his sister, Queen Anne Boleyn. If I wasn't so opposed to the death penalty, I'd almost think she got exactly what she deserved. Also, your illustrations really add to the story. They're beautifully done. Every one of your videos has them, and even though we know many of these people have no existing portraiture, your illustrations bring the story to life in a way that the videos of other historian's lack.

Truly one of English history's most tragic women. 😞

poor Katherine she had no love in her life, and she was groomed by older men she mistook sex for love and there are a lot of women who made the same mistake.

Out of all of Henry the VIII's wives, Katherine Howard was THE most unlucky one of them all. Used, abused, manipulated, and throw out like trash. One has to wonder; what would have happened if she hadn't been mistreated in her early years of life. Things would have definitely been different for her

Thanks! Whenever hearing Katherine's story I always get the urge to hug and Mother her. Poor tragic girl.

I always felt terribly sorry for her. Henry VIII was such a cruel man.

Great video on Katherine Howard. Such a tragic fate for a young lady who was used and abused by people around her throughout her life. Thanks for your continuous dedication providing high quality content, your visuals and storytelling are always delightful 😊❤

Poor child! Katherine Howard was abused and used her entire short life. 😒

I live in Horsham and walk past Chesworth House regularly. It’s beautiful. A private residence so you can’t visit it and it’s shielded from view but you can see what it’s like online as it was sold some years ago. I think it was on the market for £6 million. The grounds are lovely and reach down to the river Arun flowing close by. Even though she suffered neglect in childhood, she must have enjoyed that house and grounds. It really is lovely. And maybe she visited St Mary’s, the 800 year old church with a tall (slightly crooked) spire visible from the grounds near the house. She could have walked along the river bank towards the Church and town as I often do now.

a truly sad tragic story of Catherine's life, she was a young girl in many was innocent and nieve, she certainly didn't deserve to be executed. Superb as always thank you.

Very well done and informational video. We seem to hear the least about Katherine, when it appears that her story is so very tragic. As a teenager she would have had difficulty making the best choices at times, as most teenagers do. The 16th century was hard enough for females, let alone a very young female who found herself married to King Henry VIII, and what that would entail. My sympathies to the poor girl.

One thing I noticed is that all the wives look extremely similar. Its possible that Katherine most likely looked like Anne Boleyn. Maybe that could have been the other reason why portraits of her were also burned.

I feel bad for all Henry VIII’s wives. I don’t think he treated any of them right. It was sad that in that time being married at 12/13 was far too common. But, in that time, a person’s life span wasn’t what it is now. I do have to admit that this is my favorite time period to read about.

A sad story of a neglected, sexually abused child who was basically forced to marry an obese, smelly, old man, found love in all the wrong places, and paid a heavy price for her poor choices.

Henry’s most tragic wife imo, and by far :( While I think her relationship with Culpepper, whatever nature it had, was a stupid thing to get into, I also believe her situation then was complex, and, in any case, it wasn’t that which led to her downfall (or began it). Also, pro tip to Dereham: don’t blackmail someone when you’re part of the thing you’re blackmailing people with💀 Have a nice week :))

Not one but 2 wives that he executed and both those wives are cousins. Now those two wives are buried next to each other.

So glad the algorithms tossed this my way! I love these sort of deep dives. Liked & subscribed! Greetings and respect from Colorado, US 😊

Great video! Just a teenager that was lost! It’s a sad story😢

I love your snide aside about Henry thinking that he was still Heaven’s gift to women-if he ever actually had been! My heart goes out to poor Katheryn. All of the “adults” in her life couldn’t be bothered with her until it was too late, and then she got the lion’s share of the blame (Granny Howard basically got a slap on the wrist). Katheryn paid with her life for the gross negligence of others. How truly shameful!

Poor, doomed Katherine. Thank you for this very thorough coverage of what happened to her over the course of her short life that led to her tragic end. I found it especially interesting that Elizabeth had been close to her and that Katherine's execution was a factor in Elizabeth's decision never to marry.

I was abuse since birth and finally got married at 13 we been together for 53 years and now I am his caregiver paying him back for taking care of me and our children.. we been lucky so many get married and divorce when things are tuff.. but I knew tuff life before marriage so I learn how to weather out the storms that came in our life… find a good man keep him, times back than was different most women never live above 20 in that time..

Poor Katherine.abused and used by People around her.

It’s not like she had any say in the relationship with Henry VIII. None of his wives did. I doubt aside from Katherine of Aragon, none loved him and probably didn’t want to marry him.

Fascinating, thank you. It's all nature when there is no nurture.

I always find your videos fascinating, and this one didn't disappoint. Many thanks for the hard work and research that must go into each one.

I always felt sorry for her, she was just a child

I feel just compassion for this young girl. Her situation was hopeless.

KH8 was impulsive and erratic during the last decade of his life. This possibly can be attributed to the traumatic brain injury in January 1536. Brain injuries are a real problem.

A victim of a very strong patriarchal society. She had absolutely no agency, no father (around to protect her). Therefore, men felt they could use her as they did. I'd like to think, even if for a short while, with an abundance of beautiful clothes, dancing and being the 'top' lady she had a bit of fun at court before she died!

Enjoyed this. Thank you

what did king expect??? he was ugly she was beautiful of course she wanted someone else

The poor girls had CPTSD...

Katherine was stunningly beautiful if thats really her in her portrait! 😱

All those poor woman

Love ❤❤❤ that this video is narrarated by a person!!!! So many times, I'm put off by an AI voice mispronouncing words and the lack of humanism. Subscribing!!!

Thank you remembering the forgotten🖤

Excellent, thank you!

Always feel so sorry for all these poor women

Poor Katherine - her story has always been one of the ones that truly hit the hardest. The reality is, she was a very immature, VERY young poorly educated teenager, who was taken advantage of, sexually groomed & abused, SA’d, and because it all was happening in such an important time for her developmentally, I think it’s quite clear that the early abuse severely impacted her - she was so thirsty for love that she did what many of the basically powerless women did in that time - she used her body to get attention and equated sexual abuse with affection. She and Thomas both were honestly pretty much still children, and I think her eventual death can be clearly laid directly at the feet of the Countess, Norfolk and the revolting bloated & stinking despot lunatic of a King. I suspect she was honestly just glad to finally be free of all the pain, fear and uncertainty. RIP Katherine. You poor child, you absolutely deserved better.

I wonder if affairs happend because they knew that he killed any wife that did not give him a son. Hoping that if in secret she conceived a child that they just had to get away with them finding out there was an affair.

Poor Henry, one would despise his fate, and his character. But we really can't judge the tragedy centuries later. We have enough unjust tragedy nowadays to consider and suffer through.

I absolutely love your channel. I can't wait to watch your new videos. I'm so sad for Katherine. So was only a teenager that had been so neglected and abused that when she finally had it all, she did what anyone girl in that position would have done. She didn't know any better. How was she going to do anything different with no experience with life. It was unbelievable that she was treated like she was. My heart breaks for what she went through. Henry was an evil monster that acted like a spoiled child and when things didn't go his way he threw a tantrum.

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Henry the viii was a tyrant....

Out of all the six wives I feel like Katherine least deserved the life of a queen, she wasn't like the other Tudor women who were clever or strong or influencial she was literally just a poor girl

I don’t know how people could still be chummy with the king when he had beheaded their cousin,sister or child .All of the royals and aristocrats were related by blood,marriage or close association that led to some very messy relationships.

I guess blue blood is very bad blood. I've yet to hear anything good. Except crazy George. He was physically afflicted. His wife his rock❤

How Katherine was treated is a product of the times. Women were, in actuality, property and used however the owner saw fit, i.e., her father, brother, etc. Being someone's lover at such a young age was normal for the times. The life span was about 30-35 years in the 1500s. A young teen was probably the prime of life for most people.

Poor Katherine, so young and a Tyrant of a King !!!!

Hi, awesome live history video. I enjoyed it. How are you doing and your cat Mallard? I'm doing well, and so is my cat Benjamin. We have a solar eclipse tomorrow in Ontario, Canada. I can't wait to see it tomorrow. Have a great day. See you next video. In the next video, in the future, could you do videos on Catherine Carey and Henry Carey. They were children of Mary Boleyn in the Tudor times from the 16th century 😊

Most commentators conveniently forget that Henry's family's rise to the monarchy, was a bloody path, that involved some heavy blunt instruments. Preserving Henry's dynasty was paramount.

I like to think that Jane Boleyn helped Katherine to commit adultery as revenge for the trumped up charges against her husband George Boleyn.

I love this channel

Carherine Howard and King Henry VIII are distant cousins of mine, as well as Anne Bolyn. Its fascinating to heqr stories this old related to my ancestral family tree.

I would have thought he was finished with women by the time his leg was falling off

I found it fascinating that even by the standards of the day, Henry's behaviour horrified Europe. Eleanor of Aquataine led an actual uprising against her husband and she was imprisioned. Killing a consort was seen as a brutal act. Even Henry II, a king in a war mongering age, showed more restraint then Henry during what was supposed to be an enlightened age. Henry killed not one, but two of his wives! Usually, they would be imprisioned or put aside (disgraced and shut up in a nunnary, renouncing marriage and leaving the monarch free to marry once more) But Henry made sure to take revenge in the most brutal fasion. His orders to exicute Margaret Pole was also awful and she met a painful death because of the actions of her son. Henry was a tyrant. Im glad historians are starting to let go of Holbein image he wanted to project and call him out for his domestic tyrany.

God bless you Kathryn x

I really feel for Anne and Katherine, they deserved so much better.

Poor girl. There's a reason laws today forbid these types of marriage between young girls and abusive old msen. Thank the Lord.

It's a shame that's she's glossed over. What a sad life.

I think she was abused in more ways than one so was Anne Unfortunately this kind of thing was common in these royal family's they put they these young girls through alot

Agnes the Dowager also played her part in the neglect of Catherine.

She was 18

She wasn't a "child". She was a Queen. She knew what she was doing was treason and she knew the consequences if she got caught. So did the chamber groom she kept hooking up with. It's not for me to say she did or didn't deserve her fate, but she certainly sealed it. She made a choice, took her chances, and lost. It was a stupid thing to do.

Interesting video

I feel for Kathryn but she should of been smart enough to know Henry is wicked and hiw ge did his before wives

Katherine Howard made a bad choice, she could have been a faithful wife and waited patiently for Henry’s demise.

It's possible she wasn't buried as commonly stated. When the chapel was renovated in Victorian times, all bodies buried there were identified, except Howard's. No trace of it has been found, prompting an interesting question: what happened to the body? It's like she was annihilated, with neither physical nor graphical trace of her remaining.

Love letter? Could she even read or write given her lack of education? sounds like a pretty fortuitous find, found at the right time.

Ok, she wasn't that abused as people think. I can't help but notice how much people saw her over time as either a prostitute or an abuse victim. Sure, her mother was dead and her dad had a lot of debt issues, but Lambeth was a sort of "finishing school" (a school where upper class girls learn upper class stuff, like manners and stuff) and it was common for nobles to send their kids away to other nobles to learn courtly stuff after a certain age. 1. If she had a music teacher, why do some people in the comments act like she was barely literate? During the Early Modern period, it became fashionable to educate girls too (Henry educated his daughters, Mary and Elizabeth, Thomas More did it, Jane Grey and her sisters were educated by their parents, etc). If you wanted to make any impression at court (and this was the whole point of the school), you definitely needed to know to read and write + foreign languages + dancing + singing + other stuff. 2. Katherine most likely had more agency and wasn't a mere passive abuse victim. Why? She was a Howard. That name alone carried weight as the Howards were and still are to this day, an important noble family. If some random teacher did things to her without her consent, he'd risk angering some very powerful people. Her chastity was very important for the marriage market and some nobody affecting the interests of the Howard family could even get him killed. And there is evidence she broke up the relationships she was in, so she definitely had a say in what happened. BUT it is very possible that Dereham did pressure her psychologically. It's not ok, however it's not the same as "she was r**ed". 3. Further evidence of her education is something that few people ever mention: her performance as queen. In the short time she was queen, Katherine Howard played the role perfectly. Ambassador Marillac of France and others praised her demeanour as queen. Every public gesture, every word had to be carefully chosen and she passed the test with flying colours. Katherine was a dutiful and competent queen doing exactly what was expected of her. Sure, she wasn't into Latin translations, but she wasn't uneducated, especially since the court had a very complex structure of ranks and gestures. You had to know what you were doing/saying to avoid offending anyone. Furthermore, the gifts she received included books. She definitely knew how to read and write.

Was anyone advising her?

She was 14/15 yrs old. Still a child and to become Queen would’ve been a huge shock to her. It was a bitchy, conniving court so she stood no chance.

The narrator of this particular videon on Katherine Howard, sounds like Caroline - I _can't recall_ her _surname_ 🤔🥺 - she used to be married to Paul Merton, and she had appeared as regular characters in 'Jonathan Creek' - with Alan Davies, and in 'Men Behaving Badly' with Martin Clunes and Neil Morrisey...

14:59 They should pipe that music out at different public places.

Man, see where the writers of soap operas got their ideas for their shows.

what do they mean if someone is someones ward I hear alot of it on tv but I still can not fathlom it out.

WHO is the guy posing as Thomas Culpeper, 12:00? is that in a movie?

She made the choice to sell her soul. Choices yield consequences. We all have our own trauma and we manage to make better choices So moral of the story is stop complaining when you have made your lethal choice. KH 8 was a true monster.

Henry was a fucking hypocrite!

She shouldn't have tried to blame and drag someone else into it. This part was awful.

It's a sad world.

What a gruesome lot.

Others were frightened into giving false evidence.

Ahh, the Tudors, the dynasty where the least terrible was Elizabeth I. It's too bad that the Plantagenets did not win at Bosworth.

😢😢

Poor woman.

Henry VIII is roasting in hell for his many crimes.