Teacher: “The history test question isn’t that confusing.” The question:*Determine each Belligerents’ role in the battle of Kashgar (1933) and who killed who
Ottomans gobbling-up the Balkans : Nom nom nom Me as Hung(a)ry : Time to restore the Byzantine Empire, the Bulgarian Kingdom, Bosnia and Serbia, and Wallachia.
That wasn’t really to win WW2 as much as it was to save the Empires from total collapse and to remain a superpower in their own right rather than both of them becoming the de facto protectorates of the United States in the Cold War.
Because war is good for the armaments business. The loosers are the dead, wounded and dispossessed. The winners are politicians, generals and armament manufacturers including engineers.
So cool, it made me do my own research. Ma was great, he used to take over whole towns, after the telephone, and flight was invented. A British missionary described him, "The only alternative to unconditional surrender was death by the sword... (The towns would) throw its gates open, and place its arsenal, food supply, horses and all else at the disposal of Ma Chung-yin and his forces." He was a mongol warrior in the nineteen thirties.
Holy shit, the Russians invaded Ma Clique by slowly entering guys who were dressed in plain uniforms, who had vehicles with no markings and who this source calls, "greyish-green monsters." History repeating itself.
@Alex Laisney Uhh.. Wrong side. Ma Zhongying and his cousin Ma Bufang were anti-Communists and sided with Chiang Kai-Shek and annihilated one of Mao's armies. Ma Bufang ended up as Chiang's ambassador to Saudi Arabia and died there. The Ma family split up with during the Chinese Civil War, but as with most things in this story, trying to figure out who ended up on what side gives you a headache. Also no one seems to know exactly what happened to Ma Zhongying. He disappeared after 1936 and wikipedia lists five possible theories for what happened to him.
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@@pressftopayrespects6325 Not neo-mongol. Neo-Turkic. Mongols are not Turkic. Turkic is an ethnicity but also a culture, many mongols in the mongol empire were turkified culturally. Japanese are pro-Turkic because the Turkic people historically fought the Chinese and Russians, same as the Japanese.
@@tobleroneyumm I don’t think so, what I mean is that when most of us talk about the Mongols, they were considerably larger than any other empire in world history except the British and the Japanese kind of wanted that fame. They did pretty well in many territories but it really only lasted about 3 years tops.
@mo poppe This is still something scholars debate endlessly. But it is generally believed Turks originated in modern day mongolia/Siberia. They were 100% mongoloid but Scholars still aren't sure how and where exactly Turkic culture began to exist. But the more important distinction is. Mongols are an ethnic group, while Turkic groups are more of a cultural ethnicity. Many Mongols were Turkified after the mongol empire collapsed and Turkic groups migrated and settled westwards, while Mongols pillaged and returned to Mongolia. This is why Turkic culture is far more prevelant than Mongolian culture. Because the Turks conquered, settled and converted local populations into Turks. Neo-Turkic and Neo-Mongol are related but still completely different things. Im sure this was a confusing read and believe me it was also confusing for me to write.
Also google for ottoman and "new york city". The Ottomans ended up in NYC and worked themselves into high society. As far as "weird alt-histories". Something involving Henry A. Wallace
@@bosbanon3452 Not high society but working class for certain. We still have few ottoman tariqahs that teach detailed history of Ottomans in US and former ottoman architecture still exists in NY city.
@@asadik124 ohh, u mean the Traitor to Ottomans, u didn't hear?! Boris Johnson's great grandfather Ali Kemal betrayed The Young Turks by supporting Sevres Treaty that The Young Turks NEVER approved of in Parliament or Ottoman Sultan. it's funny how Mainstream media tells us parts of the stories never the whole context.
The famous Lebanese writer Shakeb Arslan once wrote: "It is a well-known fact that the Japanese, even as late as 1868, were precisely in the same condition as the other Eastern nations. But when once they resolved to attain to the rank of the powerful nations, they began to learn the arts and sciences of the European nations and to run their industries, until they have achieved a pre-eminent position within the short span of sixty years. If on learning Western sciences and attaining a status equal to that of any European nation, the Japanese can still continue to honour their religion and uphold their traditions, it must certainly be possible for every Muslim nation that desires and assiduously endeavours to rank with the powerful nations, to remain Muslim without throwing their religion and traditions overboard”
True, but the west sees a threat in Islam which is why they spend so much effort in suppressing it and giving it a bad image while keeping conflict in Muslim lands. If Muslims rise again, the West will have a very hard time dealing with another Ottoman Empire. Despite this western adversity I still believe that the rise of Muslim nations is inevitable in the next century.
@La nova renaissance what choice do they have, they have to take in refugees in order to stick to their western principles of “humanity”. Not to mention the fact that they have caused the wars in the Middle East and still prolong them so they are sort of responsible. Not accepting refugees would have greater ramifications. Also, you do realise that Muslims immigrants in the west do not live in isolation so they are still being heavily influenced by the western society. Muslim children are being brought up in the western system and they are definitely not the same as their parents when it comes to religion and ideology although still being Muslim on the surface. And they are more likely to stray from their cultural roots as the time goes by. Also, these so called “influential” Muslims are few and far between, and even so they have so much hate and opposition to them. The European governments will never let Muslims actually gain real power, to change their society but would only let a few select secular Muslims into few sort of influential positions. The west is walking this thin line between trying to be seen as tolerant and open while still keeping their power and culture. The far right likes to exaggerate but in reality religious Muslims (the ones seen as a threat) have very little power over the western Economy and politics.
@@Handle0108 That is absolutely retarded. The West had no "bad" opinions of Islam between the Age of Enlightenment and the latter half of the 20th century. English, Dutch, French and American diplomats repeatedly sided with Islamic forces over the centuries as long as it meant a geo-political or economic gain.
@@franciscoflamenco I think your claim is much more ubsurd to be honest. To think that western powers have absolutely no bad opinions of Islam in the last 300 years is just ridiculous to anyone who knows politics and history. Westerners repeatedly mocked Islam since the 6th century and in the Industrial Age constantly tried to “civilise” the Islamic world and destroy the Caliphate. And since independence westerners have generally had a negative outlook on Muslims but they simply had a bigger problem to deal with which was the Cold War. Ever since the fall of the Soviet Union, Islam has been the west’s biggest quote on quote “enemy” and they destroyed way too many counties to carry out their so called war on terror. Which is just ridiculous because it was the west that has created the conflict in the first place and even funded the “brave Mujahideen” as they used to call them in the 90s.
@@Handle0108 You have no knowledge of history. The conflicts with Islamic nations, when they happened, stopped being about religion and started being about economics ever since the Enlightenment. Sure, you might say the Europeans had the impression that they could "civilise" those nations, but that was also true for all other nations. Religion as a catalyst for conflict has been a non-issue ever since the Enlightenment and even today the problem of most westerners (that have a problem to begin with) with Islam is less the religion and more the threat of terrorism and lack of assimilation by immigrants related to it. Your accusations also are completely erratic as a response to OPs post. Acceptance by the West has nothing to do with one country's ability to develop, it is generally the opposite and newly developed countries are usually easily accepted by the West.
You can make a HoI4 mod out of this! I mean, Chinese state with Ottoman at its head, black nationalist state in 2ACW sponsored by Japan and worldwide anti-colonial crusade sound pretty interesting
East Turkestan, when it declared its independence in 1933, the first country to recognize was republic of turkey under Atatürk After the establishment of the Islamic Republic of East Turkistan, the Republic's Minister of Foreign Affairs Kasım Haci Bey went to Delhi, India. He was calling for the recognition of this state by sending a telegram to many states in the world. Foreign Minister Kasım Hacı, in his telegram sent to the Great Leader Atatürk and the Republic of Turkey "Hail to the red flag from the sky flag"(makes more sense in turkish there's no direct translation) Atatürk was very pleased to see this telegram. Always help your brothers and sisters, that flag is our flag ”and bequeathed to the Turkish Nation.
Oh. I can think of weirder ones. Like the facr that Chiang Kai-Shek's adopted son Chaing Wei-guo was an officer in the wehrmacht and commanded a German tank unit during the Anschluss with Austria. This was at the same time Chaings other son was in Moscow.
I literally remember it was 300,000 during 90s then they made it 500,000 during 2000s!! And in 2010s it became 1.5 million after erdogan and western countries started to have major problems, LMAO!! In fact if you check when western countries recognized it you can see vast majority of them recognized it in last two decades during erdogan era, it is really wicked such a subject could be used for wicked politics!! The worst of all those same western countries didn't officially recognized a single of their atrocities or genocides against innocent people of America, Africa, Asia and Australia yet while they are shamelessly trying to lecture us about humanism...
No, they didn't. The first mosque wasn't built in Japan until 1935, In Kobe. They may have sent out propaganda to Islamic nations suggesting they were open to the idea of Islam, but there was never any serious consideration for the nation or the emperor to convert.
@@bilalyusuf6144 No, there wasn't. It was an idea that was suggested and advertised specifically to Islamic nations for diplomatic purposes. Just because their propaganda machine said the emperor was 'about to convert to Islam' doesn't mean that its true. It was not a suggestion based on the reality of the situation in Japan. Just propaganda. Weird how these things can convince people over 100 years later.
massive loss? İt wasn't Enver's fault. Hafız Hakkı paşa (who rules of the army that climb to mountain and freeze) broke the law and plan. He went through too far from plan then he tried to fix this and army walked at night, dropped their bag and they used high altitue mountain ways. This wasn't in plan. Then those horrible things happened. But in Turkey they exaggerate numbers. It's not 90.000 (whole army was 75.000). In sarıkamış operation 20.000 turkish soldier died. But only 2000-3000 frozen.
This sounds like it could be an awesome battle royal type action movie with various cast members, while the main characters are trying to pull of a heist an steal some ancient relics in the region in the background
Mutually unintelligible languages with different scripts and people, plus Turanists aren't even united in their own little countries. Also, "Turan" is an Iranian word.
There is no Altaic-Uralic language family. Even Turkic and Mongolic languages are vastly different. You can't just create a cluster family, hoping for random similarities between languages.
The thing is people within that made up group don't like each other. Koreans were very rebellious against Japan. Also you cannot balance religions in that group, namely Catholicism, protestantism(Hungary, Finland and small part of korea), Islam(turks), buddhism, (Mongols, korea), and Shinto(Japan)
@@Arthuro_Malcolm didn’t they massacre everyone in their colonial territory? I think Japan being open to Islam and translating the Quran and all this stuff was done as a political move to gain more power farther west. I don’t think japan was actually genuinely interested in making Islam a state religion or anything like that.
@Samer Nattifi I think there were killings of Armenians but it was mostly done by other Armenians and the Ottomans can't be held responsible for it. What I mean by the controversial discussion is that many pro-Armenians are coming here, I think at least.
@@pressftopayrespects6325 Armenia is just a modern-day nationality created by the West and Russia to make their intervention look legal in order to steal those lands from the Ottoman Empire.. and they named it with that ancient name to look more legal.. just like Greece in 1820s and Syria and Lebanon and ..... So just by saying "armenians" it lose credibility historicaly
@@pressftopayrespects6325 Armenians attacked Turkish villagers for independence in Ottoman lands. And Ottoman Empire exiled all the armenians from Ottoman lands to protect Turkish citizens. There isn't any genocide.
I thought this video was just gonna be side story about Japan’s tepid support for an Ottoman a restoration, as maybe the Turkish Republic had been annoying then for some reason but instead I started learning about one of the most complicated and fascinating civil wars I have never heard of before. This had more international players involved than the Spanish Civil War, how have I never heard of this conflict before? 😂
Cause it wasn't in Europe I guess. The pro west bias of historians (well because most of the historians of that was from the west) often underlook the events happening outside of Europe and North America.
Sikorski and Beneš had talks about creating Polish-Czechoslovak Confederacy. Committee with both Poles and Czechs was created and it lasted until Germany invaded Soviet Union and Poland was forced to sign Sikorski Mayski Agreement. So for less than a year both under occupation Poland and Czechoslovakia were united.
Hearing of the support for the Japanese (prior to their showing their brutality in their invasion of Manchuria, and their actions to countless peoples in WW2) honestly makes sense- well, I knew much of it already. Ethnically Han Chinese myself- family coming from Malaysia/Singapore quite a whiles back- and the truth is that an actually benevolent- somewhat anyways- Japan could have swept as far west as eastern Africa and the Arab peninsula with widespread support. They were welcomed in many colonies as liberators- even despite their brutality already shown in China- and then were just as cruel as the Europeans. Conquering China would never have been acceptable to Chinese- of course- but you don't have to go far back to even see Sun Yat-sen seeking aid from the Japanese to overthrow the Qing, as examples of what could have been- actual Asian co-prosperity and so on. The problem being imperial Japan was decidedly schizophrenic in its many cliques- of which the militarist, fascistic ones won out ultimately- and Japanese brutality and poor logistics (not that they necessarily could have had better) and even worse blunders or brutality towards their neighbors and conquered peoples- meant it was never going to work out.
There were quite a few Muslim rebellions during Chinese history both in Xinjiang and the south-west of the country. The Japanese were certainly ambitious with their plans during the thirties.
I feel that we ignored one big issue: Muslims of Central Asia, Middle East and South Asia were strong supporters of both Germany and Japan. Nazi Germany found friends from the radical Islamists in the Arabian peninsula, whereas Japan got strong Muslim sympathies in Central and South Asia. The pro-Axis attitude of these Muslims has been greatly neglected.
although i am turkish, i kinda don't want the ottoman empire to be revived, cause although many great things happened, it also caused a lot of problems which led to passive wars which are still going on today e.g with Greece and Armenia
@@jorgeh.r9879 no, pero la verdad es que le pega el tema. Es súper interesante, bastante raro y mucha gente no tiene ni idea de ello. Ps: lo que si hecho es visitarlas. he estado en Tenerife, la Gomera, la Palma y Fuerteventura. Este verano visité tu Isla ;)
@@alejandroojeda1572 Tienes razón. Cuando lo damos en clase nos dicen se conquistaron las islas Canarias y ya está. Ni siquiera nos hablan de los aborígenes canarios. Y es difícil encontrar información de ello en Google y RU-vid. A pesar de que es un tema muy interesante, y de las pocas auténticas atrocidades de la historia colonial española. PD jaja No en realidad yo soy peninsular, pero me fascinan las islas Canarias aunque nunca he estado en ellas. Investigo mucho sobre cosas de la sociedad canaria actual que tiene su origen en la cultura aborigen, como el silbo gomero, de ahí el nombre. Me gustaría aprenderlo algún día.
@@jorgeh.r9879 curioso yo si que di un poco sobre la colonización de las canarias. Ps: si te gustan tanto tienes que animarte a ir. Son preciosas, eso sí si vas a la Gomera no hagas el imbécil como yo y no vayas en verano. La laurisilva tiene que ser increíble con un poco más de humedad.
Hi, Very informative, and only knew part of the history you covered here. It would be nice if you provide some resources, so I can learn more in depth. Thanks
@Akın TALAŞ This is about history prior to the outbreak of world war two, when the the Ottoman Calhip was just recently abolished, and Japanese population and empiral ambitions were growing. So there's certainly delusional factions in the politics, and Japanese influence was never felt in East Turkistan during that time. In fact there was a Ma clique of Muslim Chinese warlords in Northwest China, who had delusions about conquering Mecca, so they went into East Turkistan and almost defeated the Chinese warlord Sheng Shicai army, but the Soviets came in defeating the Ma clique army, they were retreating all the way South, driven by Soviet and Chinese Army, defeat after defeat the Ma clique Muslim Army on their way of running away neutralized East Turkistan Islamic Republic which was established in the South. So until today, there's some Hui Chinese Muslim population in Khotan. You can say these were just vain hopes or conspiracies that were far away from being materialized.
There were many logical reasons to restore an Ottoman Prince as the head of Turkestan. People in Central Asia are predominantly followers of Sunni Islam. Ottoman Sultans carried the title 'Caliph of Islam' and had a lot influence. For instance, Germans wanted Turks on their side in WWI to influence Muslims in British colonies like India and Afghanistan. Idea of a Turkic-speaking 'Turan Federation' sounds appealing to all hard-core nationalists but Founding President Atatürk wouldn't like support that as he was trying to bring Turkey closer to the West by reforming the country and cleaning up the mess left by previous Ottoman administration. In case of an Axis victory, there would be a strong Turkestan counterbalancing Britain in the south (India), Soviets in the North and Chinese in the East. Conservatives & nationalists in Turkey would demand unification in expanse of leaving the democracy and secularism.
Show the maps more bro I liked that. Your art characters good too and you could put that in to break up the maps but dude we need the maps. I have a fever sir. And the only prescription is more maps!
